Irish Quaker records are at Friends House in Dublin. To my knowledge, only limited abstracts have been published--nothing like the Hinshaw Encyclopedia for the US. The monthly meeting minutes have been microfilmed--I don't know whether the LDS have them, but the Friends Historical Library of Swarthmore College does. There is also a published volume of Irish Quaker wills before 1800. Tom Hamm >My inquiry having had no responses, does that mean there are no >sources for 1700's Quaker family history in Ireland or that the >sources are there but the only way to access them is through >professional researchers? > >Tom LaPorte > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Relative to other Rootsweb groups, I have found Quaker-Roots to generally be highly responsive and very helpful. General questions about early Quakerism and Quaker research are nearly always answered. Queries about specific individuals are generally answered if someone has information about the individuals involved. Your query was worded very well. Perhaps the fact that the family you're researching was in England is the reason no one has been able to respond. Most Quaker-Roots participants seem to be descended from the early lines of Quakers in the United States. Another problem could be the relative recentness of the people you're asking about. The more recent the names, the lower the probability that your lines intersect with lines researched by others. Jeff Palmer - jap@highstream.net * * * Quote of the Week: “It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once.” -- David Hume -----Original Message----- From: Ian Butterworth [mailto:ianbut@westnet.com.au] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:54 PM To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Q-R] Re: BUTTERWORTH in Wiltshire, England Hi Tom & List, Re: Your Post [Q-R] Quaker family history sources in Ireland. I too joined the List and on Tuesday, March 29, 2005 posted a message (please see below) to the List but have no had one reply either. On the other RootsWeb Lists that I am a member of I have found them to be much more active. Can someone please tell me if the way I worded my posting is the reason I have not had a reply. I do have a brain injury and know that I sometimes do not do things as well as I should. Any help / comments would be much appreciated. Best regards, Ian Butterworth. ================================== Hi List, I have just joined today and am hoping SKS maybe able to help me. My 3 x Great Grandfather was James Henry BUTTERWORTH who was born 20 Oct 1810 in Wiltshire, England. He is shown as a Draper on the 1841 Census. He married Ann SIDNELL (born 24 Sep 1798 in Melksham, Wiltshire, England). (I do not know when / where they married). James and Ann had a son Henry George BUTTERWORTH born 21 Nov 1835 in Melksham, Wiltshire, England. I know of no other children born to this couple. James Henry BUTTERWORTH died 14 Jul 1841 in Melksham, Wiltshire, England. I have always known that my BUTTERWORTH ancestors in Wiltshire were of a nonconformist religion but after 11 years of research I am no closer to finding out who the parents of James Henry BUTTERWORTH were. However in the last few days it was suggested to me that the BUTTERWORTH who were in Wiltshire were Quakers and I then remembered that in the late 1950's (when I was about 13 years of age) my father had told me that the "BUTTERWORTH in Wiltshire were Quakers". Is anyone on the List related to any of the BUTTERWORTH in Wiltshire, England? From some information I have collected over the years I do know that there was an Edward BUTTERWORTH (who was also a Draper) and Hester COGSWELL who had at least 6 children in Trowbridge from about 1804 onwards. I only know the name of one of these children and he was Edward BUTTERWORTH (the 1851 Census shows he was a Linen Draper & Hatter) who was born 1806 in trowbridge. From this very scant information I think there is a chance that Edward BUTTERWORTH and Hester COGSWELL maybe the parents of my James Henry BUTTERWORTH. Any help or advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Ian BUTTERWORTH Victoria, Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.5 - Release Date: 3/29/2005

In a message dated 3/31/2005 9:10:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, QUAKER-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > My inquiry having had no responses, does that mean there are no sources for > 1700's Quaker family history in Ireland or that the sources are there but > the only way to access them is through professional researchers? Hi Tom, Try going to www.familysearch.org and do a search of their catalog there. If you find something that would be useful to you, you can borrow the item through your LOCAL Latter Day Saints library. If you cannot find something...you can email the library and ask. They are very helpful. And by the way...I wrote to ask if they would accept my gedcom on a CD because it was too big for a floppy.(The sitre said to donate on floppy) They DO accept CDs. They just have not updated the website to reflect the change. Hope this helps, Debbie

My inquiry having had no responses, does that mean there are no sources for 1700's Quaker family history in Ireland or that the sources are there but the only way to access them is through professional researchers? Tom LaPorte

After 1870, most Quakers in the Midwest gave up many of their traditional ways and became more like other Protestants. Accompanying this change was considerable growth in membership. It's possible that your Elliotts were drawn into Friends during this time. And Giles may well have had earlier Quaker connections. After 1870, many ex-Quakers who had lost their membership when they married out of meeting came back, as those rules were discarded. Tom Hamm >Sorry, I sent before I was ready....... > >Elizabeth and Ephriam were married by a ME minister, but later are >members of the Quaker church in Woodland, Sauk Co., WI. Does this >indicate they became Quakers after marrying? > >Looking forward to learning a lot for this group, >Susan >Sacramento Valley of CA > >-------------- Original message -------------- > >> I am new to Quaker research. I am researching: >> >> Elizabeth Wissler/Whisler b. 3 Dec. 1815 d. 2 Feb 1887 Woodland, >>Sauk County, WI >> (1) Giles Columbus Elliott b. abt. 1812 NC d. 1838 IN >> (There is some conflicting information reguarding this. >> Some say Elizabeth was married to a Christopher Elliott. >> This is one of the first things I am setting out to solve.) >> (2) Ephriam Bundy m. 3 Sept 1840 Henry Co., IN d. 12 June 1888 Woodland, >> Sauk County, WI >> >> >> ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On >> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE.

Sorry, I sent before I was ready....... Elizabeth and Ephriam were married by a ME minister, but later are members of the Quaker church in Woodland, Sauk Co., WI. Does this indicate they became Quakers after marrying? Looking forward to learning a lot for this group, Susan Sacramento Valley of CA -------------- Original message -------------- > I am new to Quaker research. I am researching: > > Elizabeth Wissler/Whisler b. 3 Dec. 1815 d. 2 Feb 1887 Woodland, Sauk County, WI > (1) Giles Columbus Elliott b. abt. 1812 NC d. 1838 IN > (There is some conflicting information reguarding this. > Some say Elizabeth was married to a Christopher Elliott. > This is one of the first things I am setting out to solve.) > (2) Ephriam Bundy m. 3 Sept 1840 Henry Co., IN d. 12 June 1888 Woodland, > Sauk County, WI > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

I am new to Quaker research. I am researching: Elizabeth Wissler/Whisler b. 3 Dec. 1815 d. 2 Feb 1887 Woodland, Sauk County, WI (1) Giles Columbus Elliott b. abt. 1812 NC d. 1838 IN (There is some conflicting information reguarding this. Some say Elizabeth was married to a Christopher Elliott. This is one of the first things I am setting out to solve.) (2) Ephriam Bundy m. 3 Sept 1840 Henry Co., IN d. 12 June 1888 Woodland, Sauk County, WI

I am new to Quaker research. I am researching: Elizabeth Wissler/Whisler b. 3 Dec. 1815 d. 2 Feb 1887 Woodland, Sauk County, WI (1) Giles Columbus Elliott b. abt. 1812 NC d. 1838 IN (There is some conflicting information reguarding this. Some say Elizabeth was married to a Christopher Elliott. This is one of the first things I am setting out to solve.) (2) Ephriam Bundy m. 3 Sept 1840 Henry Co., IN d. 12 June 1888 Woodland, Sauk County, WI

This does not pertaun to my families, but thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: Standcedargrove@aol.com To: QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:11 PM Subject: [Q-R] Vermont Wilburites in Hesper, Iowa This pertains to correspondence initiated by Edsel Burdge Jr., to which Thomas C. Hill, and Dan Treadway have contributed. It is suggested that I might have some knowledge of this matter, since I have been involved in writing histories of Iowa Yearly Meeting of Friends (Conservative). I had not realized that there had been a group of Vermont Wilburite Friends who had moved to the Hesper Friends settlement in Winneshiek County in far northeastern Iowa. I have not read much concerning the Wilburite separation from the Gurneyites in eastern Iowa, ca. 1853 except what is included in the book by Lewis Jones, THE QUAKERS OF IOWA. This separation in Iowa centered around the person of Caleb Gregg. After the withdrawal of the members of Linn Preparative Meeting from Red Cedar Monthly Meeting, and after the Wilburite and the Gurneyites had parted company in Ohio, it is my understanding that Caleb Gregg endeavored to organize an Iowa Yearly Meeting of Friends (Wilburite) which would have included the Wilburite Friends of Hopewell Meeting in the Linn/Jones Counjty area and Wilburite Friends who had been members of Red Cedar Monthly Meeting (Orthodox) in the Cedar County area.in the vicinity of present-day Springdale and West Branch. I do not believe that the Wilburite setllements at Whittier near Springville in Linn County and at Coal Creek in Keokuk County had been well established at this time. ---- I had also been under the impression that there were Friends of Wilburite persuasion from Salem Monthly Meeting (Orthodox) who were involved with Caleb Gregg in this endeavor, and I had supposed that they came from southeastern Iowa in Henry and Louisa Couty where Salem Monthly Meeting was centered. However, these Salem Monthly Meeing Wilburites may well have been the Wilburites from Vermont who settled in Winneshiek County. The leaders of Ohio Yearly Meeting (Wilburite) were evidently determined that the Iowa Wilburites should stay within the orbit of their Yearly Meeting. It is my understanding that the Meeting for Sufferings of Ohio Yearly Meeting (Orthodox) , the executive committee of the Yearly Meeting between Yearly Meeting sessions, issued a directive, perhaps in late 1855, that all Friends intending to settle in the West should leave their certificates in the care of Stillwater Meeting near Barnesville, Ohio. Years later, ca. 1867, when Ann Branson encountered Caleb Gregg at Coal Creek Meeting in Iowa, her scathing remarks seemed to reflect the sentiments of Ohio Yearly Meeting Wilburite leaders as far as Caleb Gregg was concerned. It has been my impression that the Friends of Hesper Monthly Meeting (FUM) have been generally appreciative of their Quaker heritage, and they seem to have made evident a more favorable attitude through the years to Wilburite and Conservative Friends than some of the more evangelical Friends.-----Winneshiek County Friends have tended to be geographically isolated from the larger Friends settlements centered in southeastrern Iowa. The Wilburite Friends from Vermont evidently realized that their little Meeting faced a bleak future by itself, so they cast their lot with the larger group of Gurneyite Friends in Winneshiek County. Following the Separation of the Conservative Friends of Bear Creek and Salem Quarters from Iowa Yearly Meeting (Gurneyite) in 1877, Caleb Gregg and his wife applied for membership in Bear Creek Monthly Meeting (Conservative) in 1878 and were readily accepted, it being noted that because of certain circumstances thay had been without Friends membership for some time. Within a year or two , Caleb Gregg was recorded as a minister of Bear Creek Monthly Meeting (Conservative). Caleb Gregg died ca. 1882, according to my recollection. The Greggs may have kept a hotel at Springville, Iowa for a time. I am inclined to feel that Caleb Gregg may have had a broader vision for Iowa Wilburites than some of the other leaders of Ohio Yearly Meeting (Wilburite) and his witness should not be discounted. I am not acquainted with the intricacies of the various schisms and splits among the Wilburite Friends in the era of the 1860's, the Kingites, the Otisites, the Maulites, as well as the Primitive Friends who parted with Philadelphia Yearly Meeting (Orthodox) during this time. I do not know how much the Iowa Wilburite Friends were influenced by these movements. In the years following the Separation of 1877, members of Iowa Yearly Meeting (Conservative) at various times invited friends of Hickory Grove Quarterly Meeting (Wilburite) to unite with the Conservative Friends, but the Wilburites considered the Conservatives to be deficient at a number of points, mostly pertaining to plain dress and plain language and maintaining a more circumspect Quaker discipline. Finally, ca. 1917-1918, the two groups found organic unity. ---- Herbert Standing. ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

This pertains to correspondence initiated by Edsel Burdge Jr., to which Thomas C. Hill, and Dan Treadway have contributed. It is suggested that I might have some knowledge of this matter, since I have been involved in writing histories of Iowa Yearly Meeting of Friends (Conservative). I had not realized that there had been a group of Vermont Wilburite Friends who had moved to the Hesper Friends settlement in Winneshiek County in far northeastern Iowa. I have not read much concerning the Wilburite separation from the Gurneyites in eastern Iowa, ca. 1853 except what is included in the book by Lewis Jones, THE QUAKERS OF IOWA. This separation in Iowa centered around the person of Caleb Gregg. After the withdrawal of the members of Linn Preparative Meeting from Red Cedar Monthly Meeting, and after the Wilburite and the Gurneyites had parted company in Ohio, it is my understanding that Caleb Gregg endeavored to organize an Iowa Yearly Meeting of Friends (Wilburite) which would have included the Wilburite Friends of Hopewell Meeting in the Linn/Jones Counjty area and Wilburite Friends who had been members of Red Cedar Monthly Meeting (Orthodox) in the Cedar County area.in the vicinity of present-day Springdale and West Branch. I do not believe that the Wilburite setllements at Whittier near Springville in Linn County and at Coal Creek in Keokuk County had been well established at this time. ---- I had also been under the impression that there were Friends of Wilburite persuasion from Salem Monthly Meeting (Orthodox) who were involved with Caleb Gregg in this endeavor, and I had supposed that they came from southeastern Iowa in Henry and Louisa Couty where Salem Monthly Meeting was centered. However, these Salem Monthly Meeing Wilburites may well have been the Wilburites from Vermont who settled in Winneshiek County. The leaders of Ohio Yearly Meeting (Wilburite) were evidently determined that the Iowa Wilburites should stay within the orbit of their Yearly Meeting. It is my understanding that the Meeting for Sufferings of Ohio Yearly Meeting (Orthodox) , the executive committee of the Yearly Meeting between Yearly Meeting sessions, issued a directive, perhaps in late 1855, that all Friends intending to settle in the West should leave their certificates in the care of Stillwater Meeting near Barnesville, Ohio. Years later, ca. 1867, when Ann Branson encountered Caleb Gregg at Coal Creek Meeting in Iowa, her scathing remarks seemed to reflect the sentiments of Ohio Yearly Meeting Wilburite leaders as far as Caleb Gregg was concerned. It has been my impression that the Friends of Hesper Monthly Meeting (FUM) have been generally appreciative of their Quaker heritage, and they seem to have made evident a more favorable attitude through the years to Wilburite and Conservative Friends than some of the more evangelical Friends.-----Winneshiek County Friends have tended to be geographically isolated from the larger Friends settlements centered in southeastrern Iowa. The Wilburite Friends from Vermont evidently realized that their little Meeting faced a bleak future by itself, so they cast their lot with the larger group of Gurneyite Friends in Winneshiek County. Following the Separation of the Conservative Friends of Bear Creek and Salem Quarters from Iowa Yearly Meeting (Gurneyite) in 1877, Caleb Gregg and his wife applied for membership in Bear Creek Monthly Meeting (Conservative) in 1878 and were readily accepted, it being noted that because of certain circumstances thay had been without Friends membership for some time. Within a year or two , Caleb Gregg was recorded as a minister of Bear Creek Monthly Meeting (Conservative). Caleb Gregg died ca. 1882, according to my recollection. The Greggs may have kept a hotel at Springville, Iowa for a time. I am inclined to feel that Caleb Gregg may have had a broader vision for Iowa Wilburites than some of the other leaders of Ohio Yearly Meeting (Wilburite) and his witness should not be discounted. I am not acquainted with the intricacies of the various schisms and splits among the Wilburite Friends in the era of the 1860's, the Kingites, the Otisites, the Maulites, as well as the Primitive Friends who parted with Philadelphia Yearly Meeting (Orthodox) during this time. I do not know how much the Iowa Wilburite Friends were influenced by these movements. In the years following the Separation of 1877, members of Iowa Yearly Meeting (Conservative) at various times invited friends of Hickory Grove Quarterly Meeting (Wilburite) to unite with the Conservative Friends, but the Wilburites considered the Conservatives to be deficient at a number of points, mostly pertaining to plain dress and plain language and maintaining a more circumspect Quaker discipline. Finally, ca. 1917-1918, the two groups found organic unity. ---- Herbert Standing.

Hi List, I have just joined today and am hoping SKS maybe able to help me. My 3 x Great Grandfather was James Henry BUTTERWORTH who was born 20 Oct 1810 in Wiltshire, England. He is shown as a Draper on the 1841 Census. He married Ann SIDNELL (born 24 Sep 1798 in Melksham, Wiltshire, England). (I do not know when / where they married). James and Ann had a son Henry George BUTTERWORTH born 21 Nov 1835 in Melksham, Wiltshire, England. I know of no other children born to this couple. James Henry BUTTERWORTH died 14 Jul 1841 in Melksham, Wiltshire, England. I have always known that my BUTTERWORTH ancestors in Wiltshire were of a nonconformist religion but after 11 years of research I am no closer to finding out who the parents of James Henry BUTTERWORTH were. However in the last few days it was suggested to me that the BUTTERWORTH who were in Wiltshire were Quakers and I then remembered that in the late 1950's (when I was about 13 years of age) my father had told me that the "BUTTERWORTH in Wiltshire were Quakers". Is anyone on the List related to any of the BUTTERWORTH in Wiltshire, England? From some information I have collected over the years I do know that there was an Edward BUTTERWORTH (who was also a Draper) and Hester COGSWELL who had at least 6 children in Trowbridge from about 1804 onwards. I only know the name of one of these children and he was Edward BUTTERWORTH (the 1851 Census shows he was a Linen Draper & Hatter) who was born 1806 in Trowbridge. From this very scant information I think there is a chance that Edward BUTTERWORTH and Hester COGSWELL maybe the parents of my James Henry BUTTERWORTH. Any help or advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Ian BUTTERWORTH Victoria, Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005

I am looking for information about the following NY Orthodox Quakers: Abraham/Abram Wanzer of New Milford, Conn. ca. 1838. According to Oblong MM Marriages, an Abraham Wanzer, son of John and Grace Wanzer of Sherman, married 11 m. 2, 1815, at New Milford, to Anna Leach, daughter of William and Charlotte Leach of Sherman. Henry Hinsdale of New York City (I believe a member of New York MM). His daughter Anna B. Hinsdale (d. 8 m. 20, 1838), was married to Henry Wood, son of John Wood, a minister in New York MM. Henry Wood (1808-1887) later moved to Trenton, N.J., where he was a recorded minister in Rahway and Plainfield MM. Henry Hinsdale was clerk of the Meeting for Sufferings for New York Yearly Meeting in 1845. Thanks, Edsel Burdge Jr. 1593 Pinola Road Shippensburg, PA 17257

Hello, I'm new to this list and to the whole subject of Quaker family history. The Bowles/Boles ancestors I'm researching in Ireland who were Methodist in the 1800's in Canada have been very elusive in Ireland. My first hint that I was possibly looking in the wrong records came when a fellow family researcher found a Fethard, Tipperary newsletter mentioning the family as buried in the Society of Friend's Burial Ground at Woodhouse townlands, Tipperary. So this opens some new research possibilities but I could use some experienced advise on where to start. Being in Canada and having much more interest than finances is the biggest limitation. I'm pretty much limited to internet sources, inter-library loans of microfilm (especially the fantastic LDS library) and mostly to the kindness and experience of others who will share their knowledge and even perhaps sometimes their time. In return I actively participate in a few other family forums and help others as much as I possibly can with Canadian research sources. My particular Boles/Bowles were in counties Carlow, Laois (Queen's) and Tipperary. The particular towns would have been Carlow town; Ballickmoyler, Laois and Fethard, Tipperary. The time period would have been from early 1700's to maybe 1820. I am in the process of bringing in the "LDS 571398 Society of Friends, Ireland, register transcripts of monthly meetings, 1605-1872" but there are probably more sources for Irish Quaker family history than that. Could anyone help me and/or point me in the right direction? Any help would be much appreciated. Tom LaPorte

After 1870, relatively few Midwestern Friends "married in meeting." Your grandparents were typical in getting a license and being married by a minister or justice of the peace. What would have been unusual would have been to take out a marriage license and then marry in the traditional Quaker manner. Tom Hamm >As a note, my grandfather Exum J. Hall and grandmother Anna Jane >Swaim were Quakers in Parke County, Indiana who married on October >27 1887. They obtained a marriage license and it was recorded. I >have this marriage license. >Hubert Hall > >Thomas Hamm <tomh@earlham.edu> wrote: > >I'll add a bit to Jeff Palmer's good response to this question. >State marriage license laws varied considerably until the early >twentieth century. South Carolina, for example, did not require >marriage licenses until after 1900. > >States that required marriage licenses and also had Quaker >populations exempted Friends from such requirements until after 1900. >In Indiana, for example, Quakers did not have to obtain marriage >licenses or register their marriages with county clerks until 1927. >It appears that at times, however, monthly meetings did report their >marriages to civil authorities. I'm told that some Quaker marriages >conducted under the care of Middleton Monthly Meeting are recorded in >the civil records of Columbiana County, Ohio. My sense is that this >is exceptional. > >Tom Hamm > >

Penny Sitler and Jerry Richmond, Oh my, oh my, oh my! I am astounded at the amount of information that you have sent for my maternal gr gr gr grandparents. Just think, a bit over two weeks ago I knew that my materal great grandmother was Mary Ellen Henby, she married Dayton Kyser in Indiana before 1886 and that she had a brother, Ed Henby. You've given me her brothers and sisters, her parents, their parents and all the sources. I am so grateful that the Quakers kept such fine records and also thankful from the bottom of my heart that you were willing to share your time and information with me. Bonnie Lyons Anderson, IN

Bonnie & List - Penny Sitler has provided a good deal of info from the Indiana Quaker records. I will present here a Family Group Sheet from my Quaker Henley/Henby database. Much of the data from Penny is duplicated in the comments. ========================================================= 28 Mar 2005 Family Group Sheet ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Husband: John Henby #1699 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Born: 22 Jan 1781 in: Pasquotank co, NC Died: 8 Dec 1832 in: Perquimans co, NC Father: Mother: -Marriage per NC IGI; spouse shown as Mary Bagley -Suttons Creek MM, Perquimans co,NC on 9 Apr 1808 John disowned for civil marr.(mcd) -Suttons Creek MM on 12 Mar 1814 John received in membership -Suttons Creek MM on 10 Sep 1825 John recommended an Elder -Suttons Creek MM on 11 Jul 1829 5 minor sons received on request of their father John Henby ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Wife: Mary Bogue #1700 Married: 12 Mar 1808 in: Perquimans co, NC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Born: abt 1791 in: NC Died: in: Father: Mother: -Census of 1850, Ripley twp, Rush co,IN; #806 (KH,59) residing in the home of her son Elias Henby -Suttons Creek MM, Perquimans co,NC on 11 Feb 1826 Mary Hemby received in membership -Suttons Creek MM on 11 Apr 1835 Mary Henby & 6 children granted certificate to Duck Creek MM,IN -Duck Creek MM, Henry co,IN on 25 Jun 1835 Mary Henby, wife of John, dec'd, of NC & her 6 minor children received on certificate from Suttons Creek MM,NC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- M Child 1 Willis Henby #1724 Born: 12 Dec 1810 in: Perquimans co, NC Died: in: -Milford MM, Wayne co,IN on 28 May 1836 William [sic], Eli, & Elias Henby received on certificate from Symons Creek MM,NC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- M Child 2 Elias Henby #1173 Born: 27 Feb 1813 in: Perquimans co, NC Died: 18 Jan 1888 in: Wabash co, IN Buried: in: Wabash cem Spouse: Phebe Symons #1174 b. 2 Apr 1813 d. 4 Mar 1852 Married: 28 Feb 1838 in: Milford MM, IN Spouse: Elizabeth White #1175 b. 7 Sep 1828 d. 13 Mar 1854 Married: 20 Apr 1853 in: Walnut Ridge MM, IN Spouse: Elizabeth L Henley #1172 b. 24 Jan 1830 d. 21 Jul 1896 Married: 26 Mar 1857 in: Walnut Ridge MM, IN AKA Henley,Elias -Genealogical records from Milford MM,IN; also from Walnut Ridge MM,IN; also from Wabash MM,IN -Census of 1850, Ripley twp, Rush co,IN; #806 (Farmer,37) recorded as Elias Henley, indexed as Elias Kenley -Milford MM, Wayne co,IN on 28 May 1836 William, Eli, & Elias Henby received on certificate from Symons Creek MM,NC -Milford MM on 28 Feb 1838 Elias Henby, of Wayne co,IN, son of John, dec'd, & Mary, of Perquimans co,NC, marries at Bethel MH, Phebe Symons -Milford MM on 25 May 1839 Elias & hw Phebe granted certificate to Walnut Ridge MM -Milford MM on 26 Apr 1856 Elias & 5 children received on certificate from Walnut Ridge MM -Milford MM on 28 Feb 1857 Elias granted certificate to Walnut Ridge MM to marry Elizabeth T Henby [sic] -Walnut Ridge MM, Rush co,IN on 26 Mar 1857 Elias Henby, of Fayette co,IN, son of John, dec'd, & Mary, of Rush co,IN, marries at Carthage MH, Elizabeth L Henley, dau of Elias, dec'd, & Judith M, of Rush co,IN -Milford MM on 22 Feb 1879 Elias & hw Elizabeth granted certificate to Wabash MM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- M Child 3 Eli Henby #1725 Born: 27 Feb 1813 in: Perquimans co, NC Died: 14 Mar 1874 in: Spouse: Gulielma Bell #1726 b. abt 1825 Married: 28 Jan 1846 in: Milford MM, Wayne co, IN -Genealogical records from Milford MM,IN -Census of 1850, Washington twp, Wayne co,IN; #200 (Gardener,37) occupation is questionable as subtotals were taken over his entry -Milford MM, Wayne co,IN on 28 May 1836 William, Eli, & Elias Henby received on certificate from Symons Creek MM,NC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- F Child 4 Sarah Henby #1734 Born: 31 Jan 1816 in: Perquimans co, NC Died: in: Spouse: Absalom Layman #1738 b. abt 1813 Married: 8 Mar 1840 in: Rush co, IN -Marriage per ISL Marriage index; year erroneously shown as 1850 -Census of 1850, Ripley twp, Rush co,IN; #852 (KH,26) -Duck Creek MM, Henry co,IN on 25 Jun 1836 Sarah mentioned as received on her mother's certificate from Symons Creek MM,NC -Walnut Ridge MM set off from Duck Creek MM,IN in 1836 -Walnut Ridge MM, Rush co,IN on 19 Sep 1840 Sarah Layman (formerly Henby) disowned for civil marr.(mcd) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- M Child 5 John Henby Jr. #1733 Born: 25 Mar 1817 in: Perquimans co, NC Died: in: -Duck Creek MM, Henry co,IN on 25 Jun 1836 John mentioned as received on his mother's certificate from Symons Creek MM,NC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- M Child 6 Ephraim B Henby #1735 Born: 23 Apr 1820 in: Perquimans co, NC Died: in: -Duck Creek MM, Henry co,IN on 25 Jun 1836 Ephraim B mentioned as received on his mother's certificate from Symons Creek MM,NC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- F Child 7 Martha Henby #1736 Born: 26 Aug 1822 in: Perquimans co, NC Died: in: Spouse: David Coble #1739 Married: 17 Dec 1839 in: Rush co, IN -Marriage per ISL Marriage index -Census of 1850, Ripley twp, Rush co,IN; #644 (KH,27) -Duck Creek MM, Henry co,IN on 25 Jun 1836 Martha mentioned as received on her mother's certificate from Symons Creek MM,NC -Walnut Ridge MM set off from Duck Creek MM,IN in 1836 -Walnut Ridge MM, Rush co,IN on 15 Feb 1840 Martha Coble (formerly Henby) disowned for civil marr.(mcd) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- M Child 8 Jonathan Henby #1757 Born: 8 Mar 1827 in: Perquimans co, NC Died: 29 Apr 1827 in: Perquimans co, NC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- M Child 9 Jesse Henby #1758 Born: 5 Oct 1828 in: Perquimans co, NC Died: 29 Mar 1835 in: Perquimans co, NC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- F Child 10 Mary Henby #1737 Born: 6 Jan 1831 in: Perquimans co, NC Died: in: Spouse: John B Bentley #1743 b. 1823 Married: 8 Jan 1850 in: Rush co, IN -Marriage per ISL Marriage index -Census of 1850, Ripley twp, Rush co,IN; #808 (KH,19) -Duck Creek MM, Henry co,IN on 25 Jun 1836 Mary mentioned as received on her mother's certificate from Symons Creek MM,NC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- M Child 11 William B Henby #1722 Born: 18 May 1833 in: Perquimans co, NC Died: in: AKA Henley,William -Census of 1850, Ripley twp, Rush co,IN; #636 (Blacksmith,17) shown as William Henley; residing in home of Isaac Woodley (Blacksmith,48), next door to his older brother Elias Henby (Henley) -Duck Creek MM, Henry co,IN on 25 Jun 1836 William mentioned as received on his mother's certificate from Symons Creek MM,NC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ========================================================= Regards, Jerry Richmond You are cordially invited to visit "The Quaker Collection" http://home.sprynet.com/~jrichmon/qkrcoll.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Lyons" <mbonlyons@netusa1.net> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:45 AM Subject: [Q-R] John Henby/Mary Bogue Family Perquimans NC c 1810-1835 > Hello Listers, > > My Quaker gr gr gr grandparents had 12 children in North Carolina. John Henby died Dec 1832 at 51 before birth of his last son William B (my gr gr) 18 May 1833, Perquimans. According to an 1888 History of Rush County, Indiana found in our local library, in 1835 William B came to Indiana with his mother Mary (Bagley? - it is Bogue in Walnut Ridge MM) Henby and "a large portion of her family." They supposedly stopped in the vicinity of Richmond, Ind. for about one year before locating in Rush County, Indiana. They were charter members of Walnut RIdge MM in 1836. > > I would like to (1) find the NC records of John & Mary's marriage; (2) birth records of the 12 children; info on their 1835 removal to Indiana (on certificate?); (3) Quaker records of this family in the Richmond area before they settled in Rush County. Any help is gratefully appreciated. > > Bonnie Lyons > Anderson, IN > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS LIST: Send an email to: > QUAKER-ROOTS-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.com > The ONLY word in your message should be UNSUBSCRIBE. >

Fred and Effie Comfort were pastors at the N. Lewisburg, OH, Friends Church from 1919-24; Mt. Carmel Friends Church, near Mingo, OH, 1920-24; and of Alum Creek Friends Church, near Marengo, OH, from 1924-28, also 1932-37. (Observing the 175th Anniv. of the EFC-ER, Canton, OH, 1987, 120pp., see pp. 115 and 100) According to the American Friend Obituary Index (online), Fred Comfort died in 1951 at age 89, in University Park, IA (see the Am. Friend for 3/29/1951, p.110, for Fred, but I do not find Effie in this Index.) Also in the Am. Fr. Obit. Index are Anna Hargrave Smith (1877-1958) and John Melvin Smith (1873-1958) both of whom died in Louisville, KY but were buried at Cedar Creek MM, Iowa. (see the Am. Friend for 5/15/1958, p.158, and 8/21/1858, p,270) Both of them, along with my father, then a pastor at Lynnville, IA, and several other ministers [Tristram Dillon of Stanford; Taylor Guthrie of LeGrand; Guilford Street of Hartland; and Rosa Harding (maybe not a Friend?) of Marshalltown] took part in the funeral service for my great- grandfather, Nereus Hodgin, which was held in the Bangor Friends Church in July 1932, according to a newspaper clipping I have. I do not have any information on Barrett, Hawk, or McClellan.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Eoriginal13/index.htm The Original 13 Settlers of Germantown, PA http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/research.htm Includes LINKS for Mennonite and for German-American Culture. Violet Moore Guy ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [Q-R] John LANE (Sr.) from ? to MD to PA > > In a message dated 3/26/2005 8:06:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, > CageyCat@aol.com writes: > >> Hi Joan, >> >> The only Scots-Irish mention is the Bio/History about John's grandson, > Jacob >> D. Lane. Same bio said John left his parents because he was opposed to >> slavery and the parents had slaves. Whether the bio is right or not is > unproven >> either way. >> >> I looked at the Lehn family, but I thought -- am I wrong? -- that John, >> Jacob and Peter LEHN sold their mill in Fred Co MD, went to York (a >> couple > times >> back &forth to York &Fred Cos)... and finally all 3 stayed in York Co >> PA?? > >> We researched part of LEHN as far as we could in Fred Co &as much as we > could >> through professional searchers in York Co PA. IF we could tie our Johnn > to a >> missing John in the LEHN family, great. But I don't want to latch onto > the >> wrong family either. Do you know what happened to the John in the >> will? >> >> The LEHNs fit the bio in terms of John's father supposedly being in Rev > War >> -- I think Peter or Jacob LEHN was in Rev War. >> >> Arnolds were also in Brethren Church, as were the York Co LEHNs. Do >> you >> know in York any other Brethren families that lived in the same area? >> >> Do you know if the LEHNs in York Co were ever slaveholders? >> >> It's so hard figuring this out. I know we have no Peter in our LANE >> line >> anywhere after our John LANE. (b. ca. 1780) >> >> Do you know anything I could try to prove anything connecting John LANE >> to > >> LEHN? >> >> Thank you, >> >> Judy > > > > > Judy- > > The John LEHN/LANE in my files had brothers Henry, Cornelius, and Peter > who > lived in Lancaster County, PA and who are found in the records of the > *Moravian Church* where it states the family is of *Mennonite* origin. > This John > married in Lancaster County about 1745 to a widow Catherine Weidman (I > don't have > her maiden name--only that she is the widow of Martin Weidman). About > 1754 > John is marrying another widow in York County--Margaretta, widow of > Frederick > Alderf. She was from Lebanon Twp. in what was then Lancaster County. > > The reason we know that the John LEHN who settled in York County is the > same > one from Lancaster County is that his will probated in 1783 mentions > money > owed him by brother Cornelius -- who we know is part of the Lancaster > County > family. > > There was no mention of any slave ownership in any wills or other > documents > pertaining to this family. John LEHN owned mills at the juncture of > Beaver > Creek and the Conewago in what is now the border area between York and > Adams > counties (around East Berlin). > > On April 1, 1775 John LEHN, Sr. conveyed title to his mills to his second > son John LEHN, Jr. He also had an older son Peter (who had previously > obtained > land in the area) and 4 daughters. > > Peter was born about 1730 and married Jane/Janet IRVIN/ERWIN. As far as > I > know Peter LEHN continued to live in the York/Adams county area until his > death in 1795. Peter had a son John LEHN who married Catherine DEVLIN who > was > born in 1751 in Ireland. (Perhaps this is the origin of the belief of > Irish > descent?) John and Catherine had 12 children--the oldest of which was a > son > John. John and Catherine migrated to Somerset County, PA where they > died. > The move to Somerset County took place at least by 1803. I have no idea > whether son John made the trip with them--or might possibly have moved to > Frederick > County, MD. > > Peter's younger brother John LEHN, Jr. who was working the mills in PA > sold > them sometime around 1792 and migrated to Pipe Creek, Maryland. He bought > a > 64 acre tract in Pipe Creek Hundred, Frederick County (now Carroll > County). > He is listed on the 1800 census alone. His will written 9 Aug. 1801 > mentions > a son Jacob LANE and daughter Anna and a granddaughter but no wife. The > will was probated 22 Oct. 1801. The family was probably still associated > with > the Brethren faith as there are no baptismal records for them--I don't > have > any indication they were Quakers. > > There was apparently a second John LANE in Frederick County as there is an > inventory of an estate Inventory Book GM2, pages 301-302 (11 June 1793) > which > mentions 60 pounds, 11 shillings collected by Rebecca LANE, administrator, > from 39 men who had owed John LANE money. It isn't specified whether > Rebecca > was John's widow or daughter or what the relationship was. > > Joan > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Visit The Quaker Corner - http://www.rootsweb.com/~quakers > >

Thank you to everyone who responded to my query regarding the Quakers and their work with the Native American peoples. I've received a broad range of response and as usual the people on this list have provided very interesting insights and information. Thanks again, Gregory McReynolds Pasadena, California On 3/26/05 1:41 PM, "Mark E. Dixon" <mark.dixon@att.net> wrote: >> You should not judge history by modern standards. > > True to a point. Often, when one looks more closely, one finds that people > at the time were making criticisms that "modern historians" are also making > today. > > We could say, for instance, that it's wrong to judge George Washington's > slaveholding by today's standards. But Washington and John Woolman were > contemporaries, and Woolman was very critical of slaveholding. So, who was > right on the issue? Washington or Woolman? > > Mark > > > ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

In a message dated 3/26/2005 8:06:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, CageyCat@aol.com writes: > Hi Joan, > > The only Scots-Irish mention is the Bio/History about John's grandson, Jacob > D. Lane. Same bio said John left his parents because he was opposed to > slavery and the parents had slaves. Whether the bio is right or not is unproven > either way. > > I looked at the Lehn family, but I thought -- am I wrong? -- that John, > Jacob and Peter LEHN sold their mill in Fred Co MD, went to York (a couple times > back &forth to York &Fred Cos)... and finally all 3 stayed in York Co PA?? > We researched part of LEHN as far as we could in Fred Co &as much as we could > through professional searchers in York Co PA. IF we could tie our Johnn to a > missing John in the LEHN family, great. But I don't want to latch onto the > wrong family either. Do you know what happened to the John in the will? > > The LEHNs fit the bio in terms of John's father supposedly being in Rev War > -- I think Peter or Jacob LEHN was in Rev War. > > Arnolds were also in Brethren Church, as were the York Co LEHNs. Do you > know in York any other Brethren families that lived in the same area? > > Do you know if the LEHNs in York Co were ever slaveholders? > > It's so hard figuring this out. I know we have no Peter in our LANE line > anywhere after our John LANE. (b. ca. 1780) > > Do you know anything I could try to prove anything connecting John LANE to > LEHN? > > Thank you, > > Judy Judy- The John LEHN/LANE in my files had brothers Henry, Cornelius, and Peter who lived in Lancaster County, PA and who are found in the records of the *Moravian Church* where it states the family is of *Mennonite* origin. This John married in Lancaster County about 1745 to a widow Catherine Weidman (I don't have her maiden name--only that she is the widow of Martin Weidman). About 1754 John is marrying another widow in York County--Margaretta, widow of Frederick Alderf. She was from Lebanon Twp. in what was then Lancaster County. The reason we know that the John LEHN who settled in York County is the same one from Lancaster County is that his will probated in 1783 mentions money owed him by brother Cornelius -- who we know is part of the Lancaster County family. There was no mention of any slave ownership in any wills or other documents pertaining to this family. John LEHN owned mills at the juncture of Beaver Creek and the Conewago in what is now the border area between York and Adams counties (around East Berlin). On April 1, 1775 John LEHN, Sr. conveyed title to his mills to his second son John LEHN, Jr. He also had an older son Peter (who had previously obtained land in the area) and 4 daughters. Peter was born about 1730 and married Jane/Janet IRVIN/ERWIN. As far as I know Peter LEHN continued to live in the York/Adams county area until his death in 1795. Peter had a son John LEHN who married Catherine DEVLIN who was born in 1751 in Ireland. (Perhaps this is the origin of the belief of Irish descent?) John and Catherine had 12 children--the oldest of which was a son John. John and Catherine migrated to Somerset County, PA where they died. The move to Somerset County took place at least by 1803. I have no idea whether son John made the trip with them--or might possibly have moved to Frederick County, MD. Peter's younger brother John LEHN, Jr. who was working the mills in PA sold them sometime around 1792 and migrated to Pipe Creek, Maryland. He bought a 64 acre tract in Pipe Creek Hundred, Frederick County (now Carroll County). He is listed on the 1800 census alone. His will written 9 Aug. 1801 mentions a son Jacob LANE and daughter Anna and a granddaughter but no wife. The will was probated 22 Oct. 1801. The family was probably still associated with the Brethren faith as there are no baptismal records for them--I don't have any indication they were Quakers. There was apparently a second John LANE in Frederick County as there is an inventory of an estate Inventory Book GM2, pages 301-302 (11 June 1793) which mentions 60 pounds, 11 shillings collected by Rebecca LANE, administrator, from 39 men who had owed John LANE money. It isn't specified whether Rebecca was John's widow or daughter or what the relationship was. Joan