I do appreciate the comments and speculation of list members, about how my ancestor and his father may have acquired the name "Friend". If there are any other thoughts I would love to hear them. :) Thanks so much, Diane

I think there might be another possibility to be considered here...It would have been quite common to name a child after a maternal maiden name in the family, and Friend can be a surname. It might be possible that the maiden name of the father or mother (or grandparent) of this person was Friend. For example, in my Robinson family a Robinson man married a woman with the surname Smith and they had a child named Smith Robinson. They happen to be Quakers--although that isn't really significant to the point I'm making here. Joan In a message dated 12/19/2008 9:27:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: So far, we don't have any examples of a birthright Quaker with the first name of "Friend." I think we are safe to say that it wasn't a Quaker practice to use "Friend" as a name.

So far, we don't have any examples of a birthright Quaker with the first name of "Friend." I think we are safe to say that it wasn't a Quaker practice to use "Friend" as a name. Quakers did, and often still do, use "Friend" in addressing other Quakers and non-Quakers. The use of "Friend" rather than Mr. and Mrs. in the form of address is a good indication that the writer is a Quaker, though the person being addressed is not necessarily a Quaker. Jean Leeper wrote: > > Do not know if he was ever a Quaker member himself but his wife and > children were. > Friend Gibbs died 25 August 1864 75 Yrs. 5 Mos. 10 Dys. - buried in > Salem South Cemetery (Quaker) Salem, Iowa] Friend Gibbs was briefly a member of the Religious Society of Friends. He was received into membership by LeRay Monthly Meeting in New York State in 1819 and disowned 1823. While he has the first name of "Friend" he was already named such before he joined the Religious Society of Friends. He was not a birthright member. > > Gleaned for HEQG for Iowa, Salem MM Vol. VII page 108 > He does not appear to be a member of the Salem Friends Meeting in > Salem, Iowa but his wife Lucinda and minor child Julie, James and > Elisha, request membership on 1-18-1845. On 11-29-1845 Lucinda and > dt. Lucinda rocf Coeyman?* sp MM dated 9-24-1845. Sons Demis R and > Moses, are recived on certifcte from Beymons ?* spelling N. Y. MM on > the same date with a certificate dated 7-24-1845. The usual spelling is Coeymans. "Beymons" is in error. Chris Densmore

It is time to remind the naive, that the use of Brother and Sister does not always indicate Sibling, but a term used by members of a club, church or other like organizations. The same with Sr. and Jr. that does not indicate father and son, but only those of the same name in the community, this also is the same for females that you will see the terminalogy. As you do more genealogy, you realize how easy it is to fall in to this trap. How easy to call someone a member of the Quaker religion, that a member may be called "Friend". I've said "Meet my friend Joe". Don Cordell -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Christopher Densmore Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Q-R] Given Name of Friend? Does anyone know of an example of a Quaker with the given name of "Friend"? -- Christopher Densmore, Curator Friends Historical Library Swarthmore College 500 College Avenue Swarthmore, Pennsylvania 19081-1399 [email protected] (610) 328-8499 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 11-29-1845 Lucinda and dt. Lucinda rocf Coeyman?* sp MM dated 9-24-1845. Sons Demis R and Moses, are recived on certifcte from Beymons ?* spelling N. Y. MM on the same date with a certificate dated 7-24-1845. (*Wish name of meeting and state could be better read) (Also month on certificate might be the same but the extractor read it different on one entry.)  Could this be Coeyman's Patent in NY???? one of my great great greats was married there after Rev War.....

<Does anyone know of an example of a Quaker with the given name of "Friend"?> Do not know if he was ever a Quaker member himself but his wife and children were. Friend Gibbs died 25 August 1864 75 Yrs. 5 Mos. 10 Dys. - buried in Salem South Cemetery (Quaker) Salem, Iowa Gleaned for HEQG for Iowa, Salem MM Vol. VII page 108 He does not appear to be a member of the Salem Friends Meeting in Salem, Iowa but his wife Lucinda and minor child Julie, James and Elisha, request membership on 1-18-1845. On 11-29-1845 Lucinda and dt. Lucinda rocf Coeyman?* sp MM dated 9-24-1845. Sons Demis R and Moses, are recived on certifcte from Beymons ?* spelling N. Y. MM on the same date with a certificate dated 7-24-1845. (*Wish name of meeting and state could be better read) (Also month on certificate might be the same but the extractor read it different on one entry.) Lucinda and Friend Gibbs' one son, Nelson Gibbs was a justice of the peace in Salem Iowa and occupied two rooms of the now Lewelling Quaker Museum and had a part in the Daggs trial related to the Underground Railroad. Nelson is said to be born in Rutlan Vermont. 1850 census for Tippecanoe townhip, Henry County Iowa shows Friend Gibbs born in Vermont and his wife Lucinda born in N. Y. They do have minor children James, Julie and Elisha living with them. James and Julia are twins and 16 born in New York And Elisha was born in Illinois and is 8 Sincerely, Jean Leeper [email protected] or [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanlee LQM: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ialqm/index.htm Cedar Creek Book Update Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanlee/ccfbook.htm Cedar Creek Cemetery picts: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanlee/ccrestore.htm On Dec 18, 2008, at 3:05 AM, Christopher Densmore wrote: > > > > > > -- > Christopher Densmore, Curator > Friends Historical Library > Swarthmore College > 500 College Avenue > Swarthmore, Pennsylvania 19081-1399 > [email protected] > (610) 328-8499 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Does anyone know of an example of a Quaker with the given name of "Friend"? -- Christopher Densmore, Curator Friends Historical Library Swarthmore College 500 College Avenue Swarthmore, Pennsylvania 19081-1399 [email protected] (610) 328-8499

And my impression is that even the Puritans used them less frequently in the 1700s than in the 1600s. Dan Treadway On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:12:36 -0500 "Mark E. Dixon" <[email protected]> wrote: > Those were called grace names. Among my Dad's many New England >ancestors > was a fellow whose given name was Preserved. He had siblings named > Experience, Supply, Wait and Waitstill, among others. > > In general, Quakers did not use grace names. > > Mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Leslie Hope" <[email protected]> > To: "'Daniel W Treadway'" <[email protected]>; "'Diane Graham'" > <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Given name of "Friend" > > >> The Puritans and Separatists sometimes used first names of qualities >>such >> as >> Constant, Love, Wrestling (presumably with Satan) and so forth. >>Perhaps >> Friend falls into this category. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel W >>Treadway >> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:33 AM >> To: Diane Graham; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Q-R] Given name of "Friend" >> >> On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:26:36 -0600 >> Diane Graham <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hello. >>> >>> I have a quick question for this list. >>> >>> I have 2 Connecticut ancestors whose first (given) name was Friend. >>> >>>Friend White. Birth dates are 1748 and 1775. >>> >>> I know that "Friend" is a title of respect used when Quakers >>>addressed >>> each other in conversation. >>> >>> Is there any reason to suspect that a given forename of Friend may >>>hint >>> at Quaker background? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Diane >>> >> >> It seems unlikely to me. I'd be looking for a nearby Friend family >> and trying to find the connection. >> >> >> -- >> Dan Treadway

Unless, of course, the Quaker family was previously Puritan, like the Lippincott family with names like Preserved, Restore, Freedom, etc. Joan In a message dated 12/16/2008 11:52:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Those were called grace names. Among my Dad's many New England ancestors was a fellow whose given name was Preserved. He had siblings named Experience, Supply, Wait and Waitstill, among others. In general, Quakers did not use grace names. Mark

Those were called grace names. Among my Dad's many New England ancestors was a fellow whose given name was Preserved. He had siblings named Experience, Supply, Wait and Waitstill, among others. In general, Quakers did not use grace names. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Hope" <[email protected]> To: "'Daniel W Treadway'" <[email protected]>; "'Diane Graham'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Given name of "Friend" > The Puritans and Separatists sometimes used first names of qualities such > as > Constant, Love, Wrestling (presumably with Satan) and so forth. Perhaps > Friend falls into this category. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel W Treadway > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:33 AM > To: Diane Graham; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Given name of "Friend" > > On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:26:36 -0600 > Diane Graham <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello. >> >> I have a quick question for this list. >> >> I have 2 Connecticut ancestors whose first (given) name was Friend. >> >>Friend White. Birth dates are 1748 and 1775. >> >> I know that "Friend" is a title of respect used when Quakers >>addressed >> each other in conversation. >> >> Is there any reason to suspect that a given forename of Friend may >>hint >> at Quaker background? >> >> Thank you, >> Diane >> > > It seems unlikely to me. I'd be looking for a nearby Friend family > and trying to find the connection. > > > -- > Dan Treadway > P. O. Box 72 Gilbert IA 50105 > [email protected] > http://showcase.netins.net/web/treadway/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1567 - Release Date: 7/22/2008 > 4:05 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Puritans and Separatists sometimes used first names of qualities such as Constant, Love, Wrestling (presumably with Satan) and so forth. Perhaps Friend falls into this category. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel W Treadway Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:33 AM To: Diane Graham; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Q-R] Given name of "Friend" On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:26:36 -0600 Diane Graham <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello. > > I have a quick question for this list. > > I have 2 Connecticut ancestors whose first (given) name was Friend. > >Friend White. Birth dates are 1748 and 1775. > > I know that "Friend" is a title of respect used when Quakers >addressed > each other in conversation. > > Is there any reason to suspect that a given forename of Friend may >hint > at Quaker background? > > Thank you, > Diane > It seems unlikely to me. I'd be looking for a nearby Friend family and trying to find the connection. -- Dan Treadway P. O. Box 72 Gilbert IA 50105 [email protected] http://showcase.netins.net/web/treadway/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1567 - Release Date: 7/22/2008 4:05 PM

I share Dan's skepticism, if no other reason than that there were very few Friends in Connecticut at this time. Tom Hamm On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:26:36 -0600 > Diane Graham <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello. >> >> I have a quick question for this list. >> >> I have 2 Connecticut ancestors whose first (given) name was Friend. >> >>Friend White. Birth dates are 1748 and 1775. >> >> I know that "Friend" is a title of respect used when Quakers >>addressed >> each other in conversation. >> >> Is there any reason to suspect that a given forename of Friend may >>hint >> at Quaker background? >> >> Thank you, >> Diane >> > > It seems unlikely to me. I'd be looking for a nearby Friend family > and trying to find the connection. > > > -- > Dan Treadway > P. O. Box 72 Gilbert IA 50105 > [email protected] > http://showcase.netins.net/web/treadway/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:26:36 -0600 Diane Graham <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello. > > I have a quick question for this list. > > I have 2 Connecticut ancestors whose first (given) name was Friend. > >Friend White. Birth dates are 1748 and 1775. > > I know that "Friend" is a title of respect used when Quakers >addressed > each other in conversation. > > Is there any reason to suspect that a given forename of Friend may >hint > at Quaker background? > > Thank you, > Diane > It seems unlikely to me. I'd be looking for a nearby Friend family and trying to find the connection. -- Dan Treadway P. O. Box 72 Gilbert IA 50105 [email protected] http://showcase.netins.net/web/treadway/

Well, with the old Brooklyn house under much needed renovations, I haven't had time to decipher that letter from 1842 but I do have the marriage certificate of Jabez Henley and Margaret Holloway. Kathey, ? The following Pickerings were in attendance at the wedding in 1838 at the Walnut Ridge monthly meeting: William Pickering Jacob (I think it is Jacob) Pickering Gennet (sp) Pickering James Pickering Sarah Ann Pickering Sarah___________(middle name illegible) Pickering Surnames of Stanley, Newby, Hinshaw, Pitts, Moore, Saint, Nichols, and Willits as well as Holloway and Henley are legible. Margaret Holloway's parents were Joseph and Eleanor. Madeleine Henley

> I know that "Friend" is a title of respect used when Quakers addressed > each other in conversation. It is not a term of respect. What it means when used between two Quakers is, essentially, "comrade" or "fellow believer." Think of it in the same way the children of siblings call each other "cousin." > Is there any reason to suspect that a given forename of Friend may hint at > Quaker background? It is not an unreasonable conclusion. Mark

Hello. I have a quick question for this list. I have 2 Connecticut ancestors whose first (given) name was Friend. Friend White. Birth dates are 1748 and 1775. I know that "Friend" is a title of respect used when Quakers addressed each other in conversation. Is there any reason to suspect that a given forename of Friend may hint at Quaker background? Thank you, Diane

Interested in the Halsteads that came into Hempstead LI from Lancashire. I have a direct connection to the Halsteads of Burnley, Lanc. through my Quaker Hartleys who came to Bucks Co. Are there any Lees associated with your lines? Pat On Dec 13, 2008, at 12:33 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Is there a connection with Long Island here? Holloway and Halstead > are names attached to the Frosts of Oyster Bay. I don't have the > data handy, but there may be a connection. > > Cheers! > > Paul Veltman > > --- On Sat, 12/13/08, [email protected] <[email protected] > > wrote: > > From: [email protected] <[email protected] > > > Subject: QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 243 > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 12:01 AM > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Samuel and Joseph Holloway Indiana ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:27:30 -0500 > From: [email protected] > Subject: [Q-R] Samuel and Joseph Holloway Indiana > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > ???? My husband is a descendant of Jabez Henley and Margaret > Holloway Henley.? > Last evening I came upon a letter addressed to Samuel Holloway dated > 1842 > begiining, "Dear Brother". > ???? It is still in pretty good shape and I will attempt to read it > this > weekend.? It appears that it was written by Joseph Holloway whom I > believe was > Margaret's father. > ???? Are there any descendents of Samuel Holloway in the group? > ???? And Tom Hamm, once I decipher the contents, if you like, I can > pass it on > to Earlham. > > Best regards, > Madeleine Henley > Brooklyn, NY > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the QUAKER-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the QUAKER-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 243 > ******************************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Is there a connection with Long Island here?  Holloway and Halstead are names attached to the Frosts of Oyster Bay.  I don't have the data handy, but there may be a connection.   Cheers!   Paul Veltman --- On Sat, 12/13/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 243 To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 12:01 AM Today's Topics: 1. Samuel and Joseph Holloway Indiana ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:27:30 -0500 From: [email protected] Subject: [Q-R] Samuel and Joseph Holloway Indiana To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ???? My husband is a descendant of Jabez Henley and Margaret Holloway Henley.? Last evening I came upon a letter addressed to Samuel Holloway dated 1842 begiining, "Dear Brother". ???? It is still in pretty good shape and I will attempt to read it this weekend.? It appears that it was written by Joseph Holloway whom I believe was Margaret's father. ???? Are there any descendents of Samuel Holloway in the group? ???? And Tom Hamm, once I decipher the contents, if you like, I can pass it on to Earlham. Best regards, Madeleine Henley Brooklyn, NY ------------------------------ To contact the QUAKER-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the QUAKER-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 243 ********************************************

???? My husband is a descendant of Jabez Henley and Margaret Holloway Henley.? Last evening I came upon a letter addressed to Samuel Holloway dated 1842 begiining, "Dear Brother". ???? It is still in pretty good shape and I will attempt to read it this weekend.? It appears that it was written by Joseph Holloway whom I believe was Margaret's father. ???? Are there any descendents of Samuel Holloway in the group? ???? And Tom Hamm, once I decipher the contents, if you like, I can pass it on to Earlham. Best regards, Madeleine Henley Brooklyn, NY

Following an old thread. There is a Joshua Naylor & Morning Naylor buried at Lanes Chapel cemetery in Montgomery Co., NC - cemetery is located near nice housing development called Uwharrie Point. Those threads just said they were buried in Montgomery Co, not the cemetery location. Hope this is helpful.