> To qualify for dar they have to have service (listed in a active > soldiers - > and there are many of those) or "provided aid and comfort" to soldiers" > which is how there are women patriots listed in dar. The "bar" is there > has > to be documented evidence. I had to get the enrollment papers from the > library of congress on one of my ancestors and he was listed with a group > of > other quakers from bucks county penns and it showed active service. >From a DAR website ( http://www.athensohiodar.org/other-ancestors.html): "Even if your ancestor wasn't one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, he would be recognized as a Patriot if he signed an Oath of Allegiance. In 1776 the Continental Congress requested each state to take an oath of allegiance from each of its male citizens over 21 years of age in order to determine the strength of the patriot movement and to identify the loyalists. Those who took such an oath, or signed local declarations of independence from England, were guilty of treason under English law and subject to death by hanging." Mark

> There are many quakers already established in the dar ( I have 4) that > qualified me. They weren't as neutral as believed. Perhaps, but the "bar" required to be a DAR "patriot ancestor" is low. One criteria for an ancestor to be considered a patriot is whether he took the oath of allegiance. But the oath was required, and refusal to take it was punishable by a variety of penalties -- including confiscation of one's entire estate. Some Quakers did lose their entire estates for this reason. We call their descendants "Canadians." If you find an ancestor on the DAR's rolls, consider asking, "Did he believe in the Revolution?" or "Did he just want those pesky Founding Dads to go away and leave him alone so he could farm in peace?" For many, it was a go-along-to-get-along decision. Mark

There are many quakers already established in the dar ( I have 4) that qualified me. They weren't as neutral as believed. The dar has a patriot look up, all you have to do is email them or a chapter near you and they can get you all the info. www.dar.org -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sarah McCray Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Q-R] DAR Lineage Books I realize that the Quakers were neutral when it came to war but have also found some individuals who broke from neutrality and served in the Revolutionary War. I have found at least 5 DAR lineage books at Google books online and they are downloadable. I have found several ancestors so far. Sarah ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are at the very beginning of Quaker record keeping. The monthly meeting structure was put in place in the 1660s. Some earlier marriages, births, and deaths can be found in their records, but records before 1670 are spotty. Tom Hamm Can anyone explain how the various Quaker records were kept? I am trying > to > gather information from long ago (1650-75) and the monthly minutes do not > exist for this time period and I wonder if certain records having to do > with marriages, removals, testimonies of sorts were kept in other books? > Thank you, > tom > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:17 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Q-R] How did I do? > > > The organization arrangement seems accurate to me, assuming things haven't > changed appreciably. > > However, the Monthly Meeting and Meeting for Worship were pretty much the > same people and anyone could attend, not just delegates. Sometimes there > were > provisional Meetings or Worship Groups (usually small communities at some > distance from an established MM) who might send representatives to the > Monthly > Meetings' business sessions. This is where membership was important - - > those > who were not actual members did not have a voice in the decisions and > actions taken by the Monthly Meeting (although I think they would be able > to > > observe if they wished.) > > Quarterly Meetings consisted of several MMs and again, anyone could > attend. > > In fact, Quarterly Meetings were quite social affairs. It was an > opportunity to get together with Friends who lived farther away than one > would usually > go to visit. The same applied to Yearly Meetings, which were made up of > the > Meetings in a larger area. Anyone could go, not just delegates, although > some might be delegated to certain functions. > > Dolly > > <In a message dated 1/14/2009 12:09:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > At the lowest level you have the Meetings For Worship [ MFW ]. This is > the the meeting that everyone attended on Sunday for worship. > > The next level up was the Monthly Meeting [ MM ]. This was generally > attended by delegates from the MFW's under the care of each MM. This > wasn't generally attended by all the members although it might be held > in one of the meeting houses of an MFW. I think the MM was where most of > the records were kept for those within it's area. > > The next level up was the Quarterly Meeting [ QM ]. This was attended by > delegates chosen from the MM's. > > Above that was the Yearly meeting. > > OK gang. How did I do? > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=htt > p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a book that sounds similar to the one from which you requested a look up. >From Early Quaker Records of Philadelphia Pennsylvania, Volume I, 1682 - 1750, Anne Miller Watring. There are 2 mentions of Thomas Janney. p. 124, Certificates Received 4/9/1702- Thomas Janney-from Morley in Cheshire. p. 189, Minutes 22/12/1705- Thomas Janney likewise proposes his going to England and desires a certificate. Donna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kathy S. Schultz Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Q-R] Quaker Arrivals at Philadelphia 1682-1750 Sarah, thanks very much for your kind offer. I am interested in what this book might have for Thomas Janney. I will appreciate your help whenever it is convenient for you. Kathryn Schultz [email protected] >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:31:11 -0500 >From: "Sarah McCray" <[email protected]> >Subject: [Q-R] Quaker Arrivals at Philadelphia 1682-1750 >To: <[email protected]> > >I ran across the above mentioned book at Ancestry.com while >searching for something else. To some of you it might not be new. > >I would be willing to do look-ups as long as you didn't want it >"yesterday". >grin< > >Sarah ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tom,,, I am quite sure I am too.. But I have a missing link I would like someone to help me with.. My great grandparents, William and Margarette RIDGWAY, both died of cholera in Delaware Co., Pa., in 1849. Their son (l of 4 kids) William Olden Ridgway, b. 1837, Delaware County, served 2 stints in the CW. I cannot connect great grandfather WILLIAM any further back than when he married Margarette Olden, daughter of young widow, Mary Olden from NJ.... Mary had married Ephriam Inskeep who had a gristmill he named GlenOlden, now a Pa., city... Maybe you or someone can help me... Thanks to all.... Ray Maxie... (My mother's name was Fairba Olden Ridgway, the end of our line's Olden name..) _________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "piddlinacres" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] FW: Re: How did I do? >I am a descendant of Richard and Elizabeth (Chamberlain) Ridgway, through > their son Josiah. > > > Hi all.. I am a decendant of a Quaker family in Pa., the Ridgway family, >> originators of GlenOlden, Pa.... How does a person without any Quaker >> connections for many years join a present day Quaker Meeting? Thanks, >> Ray >> ___________________________ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jo and Ken Magee" <[email protected]> >> To: "Quaker Roots" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:06 AM >> Subject: [Q-R] FW: Re: How did I do? >> >> >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> I am and have been a lifelong Quaker, member of Northwest Yearly >>> Meeting >>> (Oregon, Washington & Idaho. Dolly is right in her letter. Quakers are >>> less formal in organization than most other churches and anyone could >>> attend a meeting for business but, of course, if there were decisions to >>> be >>> made, their ideas would have less force in making the decisions. In our >>> Yearly Meeting, only members can chair committees or be Elders or >>> officers. >>> Decisions are made by trying to determine what God would have the group >>> do >>> rather than any voting. This sometimes take a long time! Jo Anne >>> Magee, >>> Klamath Falls, Oregon. >>> >>>> > > [Original Message] >>>> > > From: <[email protected]> >>>> > > To: <[email protected]> >>>> > > Date: 1/14/2009 7:18:47 AM >>>> > > Subject: Re: [Q-R] How did I do? >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > The organization arrangement seems accurate to me, assuming things >>> haven't >>>> > > changed appreciably. >>>> > > >>>> > > However, the Monthly Meeting and Meeting for Worship were pretty >>>> much >>> the >>>> > > same people and anyone could attend, not just delegates. Sometimes >>> there were >>>> > > provisional Meetings or Worship Groups (usually small communities >>>> at >>> some >>>> > > distance from an established MM) who might send representatives to >>> the Monthly >>>> > > Meetings' business sessions. This is where membership was >>>> important >>> - - those >>>> > > who were not actual members did not have a voice in the decisions >>>> and >>> >>>> > > actions taken by the Monthly Meeting (although I think they would >>>> be >>> able to >>>> > > observe if they wished.) >>>> > > >>>> > > Quarterly Meetings consisted of several MMs and again, anyone could >>> attend. >>>> > > In fact, Quarterly Meetings were quite social affairs. It was an >>>> > > opportunity to get together with Friends who lived farther away >>>> than >>> one would usually >>>> > > go to visit. The same applied to Yearly Meetings, which were made >>> up of the >>>> > > Meetings in a larger area. Anyone could go, not just delegates, >>> although >>>> > > some might be delegated to certain functions. >>>> > > >>>> > > Dolly >>>> > > >>>> > > <In a message dated 1/14/2009 12:09:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >>>> > > [email protected] writes: >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > At the lowest level you have the Meetings For Worship [ MFW ]. >>>> This >>> is >>>> > > the the meeting that everyone attended on Sunday for worship. >>>> > > >>>> > > The next level up was the Monthly Meeting [ MM ]. This was >>>> generally >>>> > > attended by delegates from the MFW's under the care of each MM. >>>> This >>>> > > wasn't generally attended by all the members although it might be >>> held >>>> > > in one of the meeting houses of an MFW. I think the MM was where >>> most of >>>> > > the records were kept for those within it's area. >>>> > > >>>> > > The next level up was the Quarterly Meeting [ QM ]. This was >>> attended by >>>> > > delegates chosen from the MM's. >>>> > > >>>> > > Above that was the Yearly meeting. >>>> > > >>>> > > OK gang. How did I do? >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in >>>> just >>> 2 easy >>>> > > steps! >>>> > > >>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=htt >>> p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De >>>> > > cemailfooterNO62) >>>> > > >>>> > > ------------------------------- >>>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >

What a beautiful and detailed response! I would like to chime in on two points. Some Friends meetings have pastors (I am a member of a pastoral family among Friends). In those meetings the pastor is likely to take some educational/counseling role in preparing new attendees for membership. The clerk and elders are responsible for the decision of whether the attendee should be admitted, in any case. My maternal grandmother is said to have been very proud of being a birthright Friend (I am not sure whether birthright membership was still recognized in Indiana at the time of her birth, in the 1880's). Yet she never attended a Friends meeting as an adult and did not raise her children as Friends. My mother later became a convinced Friend. Between these, who was the weightier Friend? That would almost certainly be the convinced Friend, who attended faithfully, served in a variety of leadership roles including clerk of the meeting, and raised her children among Friends. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Christopher Densmore < [email protected]> wrote: > > > [email protected] wrote: > > Message: 5 > > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:19:52 -0600 > > From: "piddlinacres" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Q-R] FW: Re: How did I do? > > To: <[email protected]>, "Quaker Roots" > > <[email protected] > > > Hi all.. I am a decendant of a Quaker family in Pa., the Ridgway > family, originators of GlenOlden, Pa.... How does a person without any > Quaker connections for many years join a present day Quaker Meeting? > Thanks, Ray > > > How does a person become a member? By requesting to do so. The meeting > then decides (usually by having a committee speak with you) about your > seriousness about becoming a Quaker, your knowledge of what membership > entails, your spiritual path and whatever else that meeting thinks is > relevant and then decides whether or not to accept your application for > membership. A meeting is unlikely to accept into membership a stranger > who walks though the door and wants to be signed up on the strength of a > claim of descent from some ancestor. In practical terms, begin attending > meeting (or church), figure out whether you fit, let people at the > meeting get to know you and proceed from there. Some Quakers are > reluctant to push the idea of joining on attenders, so if you feel that > time has come to formally join the Religious Society of Friends, don't > wait for someone to ask you because you might be waiting a long, long > time. If you don't know who to ask, ask the clerk, and s/he can point > you to the right person(s). > > Whether your ancestors were or were not Quakers has no relevancy. As it > read in the old New York Yearly Meeting Discipline (1810), "Virtue does > not descend by lineal succession, nor piety by inheritance..." In the > "old days" children of members were considered to be members. In modern > usage, children are often considered to be associate members, meaning > that at some point after they reach adulthood, they get asked about > whether they wish to continue their membership in the Society. > > The idea that you had to be born into the Society of Friends is not > true. There are Quakers who can trace an unbroken lineage back of > membership in the Society of Friends back though three centuries but in > a typical meeting it is much more likely that most of the members are > "convinced Friends" who have no Quaker ancestry and who joined as > adults. There are some people who join and only later find out that some > long distant ancestor was a Quaker. > > I once did a study of memorials to "weighty" Friends published by New > York Yearly Meeting in the first half of the 19th century. These > memorials were to exemplary Friends, born from the 1600s to the early > 1800s. About half mention that the subject of the memorial was born to > Quaker parents and raised as a Friend. About a quarter clearly state > that the person was born something else -- Presbyterian, Anglican, > whatever-- and became convinced of Friends principles. The rest don't > mention, or are not clear about, whether the person was a "birthright" > Quaker or not. So basically, somewhere between 25 and 50% of the most > well regarded Quakers, from a time period when Quakers were most > withdrawn from the "world" were converts, and not birthright members. So > lots of people coming into the Quaker fold, and at the same time, > because Quakers were being very rigid about their testimonies at this > time, being disowned and leaving the Society of Friends. > > > Christopher Densmore > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all, I believe it's time for me to don my List Administrator hat, and steer the conversation back to Quaker genealogy. While informative, the thread about how to join a present-day meeting is not, strictly speaking, genealogy. I think we've covered it pretty well, and should close the topic now. I'd be glad for anyone who still has questions on the topic to contact me directly rather than through the list. I'll try to answer them. -- Dan Treadway P. O. Box 72 Gilbert IA 50105 [email protected] http://showcase.netins.net/web/treadway/

I realize that the Quakers were neutral when it came to war but have also found some individuals who broke from neutrality and served in the Revolutionary War. I have found at least 5 DAR lineage books at Google books online and they are downloadable. I have found several ancestors so far. Sarah

Hello This book is available for download free from Google Books - books.google.com. There are some great old books there for genealogists! Thank you to Sarah and others for lookup offers! Judy W =============================

Good morning folks, Through my quest to know where I came from I have learned that I am a direct descendant of William Irish, who was disowned after he married out of meeting. His bride Dolly was not a Quaker. William and a small contingent founded and settled Milton, VT. Could he have then created his own Quaker settlement? Is anyone familiar with the Irish line? It seems to go a long way back. I also found a connection to Elias Milton Hicks. I believe he was of the Quakers but then his family splintered off and he went to Canada to introduce Quakerism, if I am correct. I am looking forward to learning more. I realize that the direct maternal link ended with Dolly, however, I do know that William Irish is my direct maternal 6th great grandfather. Thanks, Janice

Ray, First find a Meeting close enough to where you live that you can attend their meetings fairly frequently and take part in their activities. There are "isolated Friends" but they've usually been affiliated with a Monthly Meeting and then moved away for whatever reason. After attending Meeting for Worship for a while and getting to know some of the other members, if you decide you want to join, write a letter to the Clerk of the Meeting stating your desire to become a member. A Clearness Committee for Membership consisting of several members will meet with you to discuss your understanding of Quaker principles and the duties expected of a member. This is by no means an examination to determine your "fitness" - - we try not to be judgmental - - but to get to know you a little better and to be sure you know enough about Quakerism to really want to be a member. There are no creeds or prescribed beliefs, but it is more than a spur of the moment or convenience decision. The committee reports back to the Monthly Meeting at the next business session, recommending you for membership (or not, I suppose, tho I've never known that to happen). The proposal is "seasoned" for a month and acted on at the next meeting for business. In our Monthly Meeting there is then some sort of welcoming event, which can be anything from a coffee hour after meeting to a picnic or potluck at someone's home. One woman wanted to have a games night, so we did that at the Meeting House, with a lot of families participating and a lot of popcorn for all. Then, if you are not already on a committee, you will probably be asked which one you would like to serve on!! Dolly In a message dated 1/14/2009 11:37:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: How does a person without any Quaker connections for many years join a present day Quaker Meeting? Thanks, Ray **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027)

Frank, my wife was a Pyle, so I know a fair amount about this family. It's pretty well documented. What is it you're looking for? As a side note, back in (I think) 2001, I was able to take part in an archaeological dig at the site of Robert Pyle's house on Foulk Road in Bethel Township. It stood across the road from the present-day Francis Harvey Green Elementary School. The site was then a farmer's field, but has since been developed with townhouses. (The dig was in anticipation of the development). What was found was, I was told, typical of colonial-era sites -- bits of glass, clay pipe stems and bits of brick, indicating that Pyle's house was probably brick. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Pyle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:51 PM Subject: [Q-R] Robert Pyle > Mark and Jane: > I haven't spent enough time researching the line. I have been going > hit and miss for years but not really digging deep. Since I am retired > I suppose I should get back to serious looking. I know some of his > children were quaker. My Line comes up through his son John. > > Robert Pyle b. 29 Dec 1660 Horton, Parish of Bishops Cannings, > Wiltshire, England; d. 17 Jan 1730 Bethel Twp, Chester Co. PA.; m. Ann > Stovey 16 Nov 1681 Hilperton, Wiltshire, England. > > Robert and Ann were in Bethel, PA as early as 1684. They were both > Friends and members of the Chichester Meeting, which sometimes met at > their home, and in 1706 he was one of a committee to establish a > meeting at Nottingham. He was a representative in the Provincial > Assembly and a long time Justice of the county Court. > > May 1, 1683 Robert purchased 150 acres from William Smith of > Wiltshire. The property was laid out to Robert in Bethel and he > occupied the land soon after the survey was completed. By Aug 1684 he > had constructed a home for his family. In 1711 he obtained 170 acres > in Concord from Nathan Baker, and in 1715 he deeded the property to > his son Jacob, who died unexpectedly in 1717. His widow Alice retained > the land for a year and then deeded the tract to her son Samuel, who > farmed it till 1755. will of Pyle, Robert > > PYLE, ROBERT. Bethel, yeoman. > January 2, 1729/30. August 29, 1730. A. 322. > To wife Susanna &100 and 1/2 household goods. To son William &50 and > to his children &50 to be divided at 21. To son John all my right > title to that 200 acres of land in Marlborough which I lately leased > to one Holt on condition that he pay to his son Moses &30 when 21 also > to his daughter Sarah Pyle &20 at 21 or married. To son Joseph &30. To > grandson Robert son of Joseph my tract of land in Marlborough > containing 224 acres. To son Daniel &70 paying to his daughters > Susanna and Mary&15 each at 21 or married. To daughter Mary Moore &50, > she paying to each of her children &5 at 21 or married. To grandson > Aaron Vernon &15. To granddaughter Rachel Green &15. To George, James > and Dorothy Turner my now wife's children &4 each. To grandchildren > Saml. Pyle and the 3 daughters of son Robert 10 shillings each. > Executors: wife Susanna and sons Wm. and Joseph. Witnesses: John > Hopton, Rachel Hopton, Jos. Bradford. > Frank W. Pyle > [email protected] > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 1/14/09 6:08:24 PM, [email protected] writes: > My husband is a descendant of John Doane of N C and wife Elizabeth Pike. > > Does anyone know any personal information about them or their ancestors?  I > have been collecting genealogy about them for my grandchildren but they all > seem to be just statistics. > > Kay in Tennessee > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > Kathleen, We need more information about your husbands family (John Doan of NC and Elizabeth Pike) to know if the many references to the Doan's and the Pikes at Cane Creek were actually his ancestors Things like thier birthdates, birth places marriage location and date etc. A John Doan, June 28, 1762 recorded 139 acres of land on Cane Creek, NC. After thhis time, the history has many references to the Doans and the Pikes. For example, the earliest marked grave stone in the Cane Creek cemetary is that of Ruth Dixon Doan with the date of 1764 clearly visable. I don't know if Abagail Overman Pike was an ancestor to your husband, but their are many stories about her. She and and my ggggggggrandmothe Rachel Wright rode 200 miles on horseback in 1751 to the NC coast to get approval to establish a monthly meeting at Cane Creek. Today there are Pikes still living at Cane Creek. Abagail Pike was a Friends minister and would ride to the camps of the British and tthe Americans to preach to the troops. Legend has it that she was the only minister allowed within the lines. We know she was friends of General Nathaniel Greene, a Quaker and 2nd in command to George Washington. She later established New Garden Meeting in Greensboro, NC. I have many personal stories and history about her. But was she an ancestor of Elizabeth Pike? You will have to do a family tree to prove that. One of the histories of Cane Creek reads that both the Doans and The Pikes removed from Cane Creek to Indiana in the 1811 to 1840 time period. The slavery issue was the reason for the moves to the midwest in this time period. Howard Cook ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd= DecemailfooterNO62)

I have a lot of data on Robert Pyle descendants, and some brick walls as well. What are the next couple of generations of Robert Pyle/Ann Stovey line that you are following? The two children of his second wife did not live to adulthood, so we don't have those lines to follow. John had two wives and I have 9 children in my file. What are you seeking? Judy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frank Pyle Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Q-R] Robert Pyle Mark and Jane: I haven't spent enough time researching the line. I have been going hit and miss for years but not really digging deep. Since I am retired I suppose I should get back to serious looking. I know some of his children were quaker. My Line comes up through his son John. Robert Pyle b. 29 Dec 1660 Horton, Parish of Bishops Cannings, Wiltshire, England; d. 17 Jan 1730 Bethel Twp, Chester Co. PA.; m. Ann Stovey 16 Nov 1681 Hilperton, Wiltshire, England. Robert and Ann were in Bethel, PA as early as 1684. They were both Friends and members of the Chichester Meeting, which sometimes met at their home, and in 1706 he was one of a committee to establish a meeting at Nottingham. He was a representative in the Provincial Assembly and a long time Justice of the county Court. May 1, 1683 Robert purchased 150 acres from William Smith of Wiltshire. The property was laid out to Robert in Bethel and he occupied the land soon after the survey was completed. By Aug 1684 he had constructed a home for his family. In 1711 he obtained 170 acres in Concord from Nathan Baker, and in 1715 he deeded the property to his son Jacob, who died unexpectedly in 1717. His widow Alice retained the land for a year and then deeded the tract to her son Samuel, who farmed it till 1755. will of Pyle, Robert PYLE, ROBERT. Bethel, yeoman. January 2, 1729/30. August 29, 1730. A. 322. To wife Susanna &100 and 1/2 household goods. To son William &50 and to his children &50 to be divided at 21. To son John all my right title to that 200 acres of land in Marlborough which I lately leased to one Holt on condition that he pay to his son Moses &30 when 21 also to his daughter Sarah Pyle &20 at 21 or married. To son Joseph &30. To grandson Robert son of Joseph my tract of land in Marlborough containing 224 acres. To son Daniel &70 paying to his daughters Susanna and Mary&15 each at 21 or married. To daughter Mary Moore &50, she paying to each of her children &5 at 21 or married. To grandson Aaron Vernon &15. To granddaughter Rachel Green &15. To George, James and Dorothy Turner my now wife's children &4 each. To grandchildren Saml. Pyle and the 3 daughters of son Robert 10 shillings each. Executors: wife Susanna and sons Wm. and Joseph. Witnesses: John Hopton, Rachel Hopton, Jos. Bradford. Frank W. Pyle [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My husband is a descendant of John Doane of N C and wife Elizabeth Pike. Does anyone know any personal information about them or their ancestors? I have been collecting genealogy about them for my grandchildren but they all seem to be just statistics. Kay in Tennessee

Mark and Jane: I haven't spent enough time researching the line. I have been going hit and miss for years but not really digging deep. Since I am retired I suppose I should get back to serious looking. I know some of his children were quaker. My Line comes up through his son John. Robert Pyle b. 29 Dec 1660 Horton, Parish of Bishops Cannings, Wiltshire, England; d. 17 Jan 1730 Bethel Twp, Chester Co. PA.; m. Ann Stovey 16 Nov 1681 Hilperton, Wiltshire, England. Robert and Ann were in Bethel, PA as early as 1684. They were both Friends and members of the Chichester Meeting, which sometimes met at their home, and in 1706 he was one of a committee to establish a meeting at Nottingham. He was a representative in the Provincial Assembly and a long time Justice of the county Court. May 1, 1683 Robert purchased 150 acres from William Smith of Wiltshire. The property was laid out to Robert in Bethel and he occupied the land soon after the survey was completed. By Aug 1684 he had constructed a home for his family. In 1711 he obtained 170 acres in Concord from Nathan Baker, and in 1715 he deeded the property to his son Jacob, who died unexpectedly in 1717. His widow Alice retained the land for a year and then deeded the tract to her son Samuel, who farmed it till 1755. will of Pyle, Robert PYLE, ROBERT. Bethel, yeoman. January 2, 1729/30. August 29, 1730. A. 322. To wife Susanna &100 and 1/2 household goods. To son William &50 and to his children &50 to be divided at 21. To son John all my right title to that 200 acres of land in Marlborough which I lately leased to one Holt on condition that he pay to his son Moses &30 when 21 also to his daughter Sarah Pyle &20 at 21 or married. To son Joseph &30. To grandson Robert son of Joseph my tract of land in Marlborough containing 224 acres. To son Daniel &70 paying to his daughters Susanna and Mary&15 each at 21 or married. To daughter Mary Moore &50, she paying to each of her children &5 at 21 or married. To grandson Aaron Vernon &15. To granddaughter Rachel Green &15. To George, James and Dorothy Turner my now wife's children &4 each. To grandchildren Saml. Pyle and the 3 daughters of son Robert 10 shillings each. Executors: wife Susanna and sons Wm. and Joseph. Witnesses: John Hopton, Rachel Hopton, Jos. Bradford. Frank W. Pyle [email protected]

Until the late nineteenth century, theoretically, business meetings were supposed to be "select," meaning that only members could attend or participate. One occasionally finds reference to requests for persons not in membership to withdraw. At every level, meetings appointed representatives to attend the superior meeting. Thus monthly meetings had representatives to quarterly meetings, and quarterly meetings representatives to yearly meeting. The representatives did not have special authority. Rather the idea was to be sure that every monthly meeting or quarterly meeting had someone present. Tom Hamm On 01/14/2009 [email protected] wrote: >> The organization arrangement seems accurate to me, assuming things > haven't >> changed appreciably. >> >> However, the Monthly Meeting and Meeting for Worship were pretty much > the >> same people and anyone could attend, not just delegates. Sometimes > there were >> provisional Meetings or Worship Groups (usually small communities at > some >> distance from an established MM) who might send representatives to the > Monthly >> Meetings' business sessions. This is where membership was important - > - those >> who were not actual members did not have a voice in the decisions and >> >> actions taken by the Monthly Meeting (although I think they would be > able to >> observe if they wished.) >> >> Quarterly Meetings consisted of several MMs and again, anyone could > attend. >> In fact, Quarterly Meetings were quite social affairs. It was an >> opportunity to get together with Friends who lived farther away than > one would usually >> go to visit. The same applied to Yearly Meetings, which were made up > of the >> Meetings in a larger area. Anyone could go, not just delegates, > although >> some might be delegated to certain functions. >> >> Dolly > > I'm learning a lot. [ Along with several others I suppose ] > > Monthly meetings were the "business" meetings right. It also seems that > I read something about the possibility that they could have more than > one "meeting for worship", child meetings (?) [ Indulged meeting (?) - > not meetings for children but a "child" of the meeting ] for a MM. At > least until they were of a stage they could have their own MM. > > It was also my understanding that, while anyone could attend, MM's, > QM's, and YM's were often some distance away. In that case certain > people would be appointed to make the journey and represent the meeting > in general. I called them "delegates" but they might have had a > different name. People did have families and business's to keep up with > so going could be hard for some. Travel was difficult in the earliest > days. A trip of a couple hundred miles could take a while to make and > depending on where you were traveling could be very dangerous [ From > todays world our ancestors were incredibly hardy people. A trip that > takes a couple hours in an air conditioned automobile was days of dirt, > heat/cold on a horse or wagon. ] > > -- > Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Said you were looking for Thomas Janney? was that the Thomas who was married to Elizabeth Worthington? And was he born in say, 6-27-1605? England??? if so can share what I got. Jered Wilson **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

Those who have Quaker ancestry that traces back to Ireland, and specifically to William Edmondson, may be interested in this following account regarding Edmondson in Lurgan, County Armagh, and later, in Belturbet in County Cavan. The Anthony Jackson mentioned in it (in boldface) was the father of Isaac Jackson, who came to London Grove/New Garden in 1725, and I believe that I am a direct descendant of this Jackson line. Some surnames whose descendants eventually found their way across the Atlantic to PA and elsewhere in the Colonies might be recognized here. I hope this list can pick up this attachment. Bob Wilson Beaufort SC     Quaker Meeting Places in the Lurgan Area in the 17th Century by George R Chapman >From Review - Journal of the Craigavon Historical Society Vol. 2 No. 1 It is rather remarkable that the small town of Lurgan was to be the cradle for nuturing a spiritual movement which arose in England in the mid-seventeenth century and despite persecution continued to make remarkable progress among all classes rapidly spreading to other parts of Ireland. The individual concerned in initiating the movement over here was William Edmondson, an ex-service man, who had been engaged on the Cromwellian side in the great civil war in England. He left the army and came over to Ireland with the intention of opening a shop. His brother John was serving in the army and was stationed at Antrim and so as to be near him. William opened a shop in Antrim. It was during a return visit to England to purchase more stock for his shop, that he was attracted by the powerful preaching of James Nayler, a Quaker, and was so impressed that he was immediately "convinced", to use the Quaker phrase, and declared himself to be a follower of these despised people. After returning home, he moved to Lurgan and opened his shop, at the same time he commenced a Quaker Meeting for worship in his own house; this was in 1654. Recent research in connection [with] the Brownlow leases has established the fact that William Edmondson's house was located in Church Place, Lurgan (approximately where the premises of T. G. Menary & Co., solicitors are at present.) According to some estimates, Lurgan at this time consisted of under fifty houses. The country was slowly recovering after the rebellion of 1641 which had continued intermittently for at least eight years and the Province was unsettled and impoverished. The landlord Sir William Brownlow (died 1660) was anxious to encourage settlers to take up houses and land on his estate. Rents were cheap and no objection was made to give leases on account of the fact that some belonged to the strange new sect called Quakers. The meeting which was held in William Edmondson's house soon grew in numbers and the names of those first worshippers have come down to us and are as follows. William Soulden and his wife, John Hendryn, William Lynas, Mark Wright and Mark Sawyer, also two young brothers Richard and Anthony Jackson. William Edmondson’s brother John also came to live in Lurgan and joined the group. The only other place of worship in Lurgan at this time appears to have been the old Parish church of Shankill and there is one reference to William Edmondson going to the church here and speaking during or after the service for which he was beaten by Colonel Stewart. William Edmondson was the natural leader of the local group and in addition he made extended visits to other parts of Ulster to expound his faith. On occasions he was joined by visiting Friends from England in this service, and several meetings were commenced in other parts of the province as a result. In 1656 William Edmondson felt he should give up shop keeping and take up farming in Co. Cavan. One reason he gives for such a move being that he would then be In a position to bear his testimony against payment of tithes, against which Quakers were bitterly opposed. Some other members of the meeting joined him in this venture including the two brothers Richard and Anthony Jackson. Several Meetings were commenced by them in Co. Cavan, one of which continued until recent times. One would have thought that the removal of such a leader from Lurgan would have virtually brought an end to the meeting. This was not the case however, owing to the vitality of the new movement which continued to attract others to the meeting. At this particular time there was a steady influx of settlers from the North of England into the Lurgan district. Some of these new settlers may have been Quakers before they came; others may have been influenced after they arrived here. A number were linen weavers or were in some way connected to the linen industry which was rapidly gaining ground in this area. Persecution was not so severe as in parts of England, but we have the following reference "1661 William Boston, Simon Harrison and Rodger Webb (with some other Friends) being met together at Rodger Webb's house to wait upon God in his holy fear and worship in a peaceable way, as their manner is, were for the same taken out, and by the Lord Conway, Bishop Taylor, and Arthur Hill committed to Armagh Goal, and there kept close prisoners five weeks; and then the said William Boston died in prison, (whose death must be given account for by those that caused it) and the other two Friends were kept there six weeks longer. "After William Edmondson left Lurgan, the meetings were held in the homes of the undernoted Friends (perhaps in some form of rotation). At Rodger and Anne Webb's, Aghacommon, Parish of Seagoe. He is described as a wheelwright, or turner, and he seems to have been a man of some importance as he owned the townland of Aghacommon together with other property. He is the only person listed in this townland In the Hearth Money rolls of 1664. He died in 1684 and copy of his will is in Public Record Office Belfast. Many Quaker weddings took place in his house. At Francis and Isabel Robson's, Tamnaficarbet, Parish of Seagoe. Francis was born in Yorkshire and came to Ireland when young. He is listed in this townland in the Hearth Money Rolls of 1664 and in a deed of Conveyance dated 1697 he is described as a weaver. Many weddings also took place here. At Mark Wright's of Lygatory, Parish of Shankill. He was born in Yorkshire and came to Lurgan in 1654 and joined Friends soon afterwards. He is described as a weaver in above Deed. At Robert and Ellenor Hoop's of Lurgan. He was born in Yorkshire and came to Lurgan in 1660 at the age of 21. He joined Friends in Lurgan and became the wealthiest and most influential member. In 1696 he is described as a linen draper. As will be seen, he was the prime mover in having a new meeting house built in 1696 and his contribution to the building was nearly five times as large as any other member. More settled conditions throughout the country after the termination of the Williamite wars and an increase of the linen industry led to greater attendances at the meetings. It became evident that a building was required which would be more commodious than meeting in Friends' homes. A small Meeting House evidently existed in the town prior to 1691, when the minutes refer to the purchase of timber to enlarge the Meeting House. In 1696 when a new Meeting House was completed a reference is made to the former building as "too little and going to decay.” A copy of the minute from Lurgan Men's Meeting follows together with a list of those who contributed to the building fund. >From 130 names of individuals who contributed, it is evident that there was a growing interest and concern to provide a meeting place which would prove adequate for years ahead. Building of Lurgan Meeting House 1696. "In the year 1695 it pleased God to open ye hearts of ye Friends of this meeting to build a meeting house fit for a Province meeting or other large meeting - Ye ... one formerly ... use of being too little and going to decay so Friends upon several conferring on affairs so as the said house was built upon a tenemont called Maddens tenamont on ye south end of town of Lurgan upon a copy hold lease from Esq. Brownlowe in the name of Robert Hoope being for this meetings use and likewise two small dwelling houses in ye front of ye said tenamont. The cost of which with ye meeting house by subscription as hereafter mentioned, but what wanted to complete ye said work was paid out of ye collection stock, which was but little." Name Contribution Robert Hoope being chief promoter, overseer and contributor £ 40. 0s. 0d. John Hoope (his son) £ 11. 15s. 0d. Thomas Wainwright £ 11. 10s. 0d. Thomas Walker £ 8. 10s. 0d. John Walker £ 4. 0s. 0d. George Fox and Rob. Hodgson £ 9. 0s. 0d. John Turnor and Brother Thomas £ 7. 10s. 0d. Jacob Turnor £ 8. 10s. 0d. John Webb £ 5. 5s. 0d. Junior Webb £ 3. 0s. 2d. Junior Webb £ 3. 0s. 2d. John Robson £ 3. 5s. 0d. Jacob Robson £ 5. 16s. 0d. Timothy Kirk £ 2. 1s. 0d. William Crook £ 4. 10s. 0d. Robert Robinson £ 2. 15s. 0d. Alex Matthews £ 5. 0s. 0d. Ezokiall Bullock £ 1. 8s. 0d. Christopher Hillary £ 2. 0s. 8d. Junior Greer £ 3. 15s. 0d. Richard Mason £ 3. 5s. 0d. Mark Wright £ 3. 15s. 0d. William Porter - 10s. 6d. Aboll Porter £ 1. 11s. 0d. Patrick Logan £ 1. 0s. 0d. John Neile £ 1. 8s. 0d. John Hendron - 18s. 0d. Ann Hodgson £ 1. 10s. 0d. William Lynas £ 1. 18s. 0d. William Williams £ 2. 2s. 0d. Roger Kirk - 8s. 0d. Francis Hilary - 12s. 0d. Benj Shephon - 3s. 0d. Robt. Kirk - 13s. 0d. Marmaduke Hilary £ 1. 7s. 0d. Thomas Bradshaw - 18s. 0d. Ann Bradshaw (widow) £ 2. 0s. 0d. William Bell - 10s. 0d. John Hoope Sen. £ 2. 10s. 0d. John Morton - 16s. 0d. Daniell Bullogh - 11s. 0d. Richard Hartley - 17s. 0d. Roger Webb £ 1. 12s. 0d. John Bullow £ 1. 2s. 0d. Robt. Chambers - 15s. 0d. William Souldon £ 1. 2s. 0d. Laurence Allison - 18s. 0d. William Wothorolt £ 1. 8s. 8d. William Andrew £ 1. 1s. 0d. John Cain £ 1. 12s. 0d. William Gibson - 11s. 0d. Robt. Sander - 10s. 6d. Charles Roberts £ 1. 10s. 0d. Laurence Hobs - 12s. 0d. Thomas Turner Sen. - 18s. 0d. Robert Hoope Junior - 15s. 0d. Thomas Chapman - 3s. 0d. Thomas Williams - 8s. 0d. Thomas Bullow - 8s. 0d. John Halliday Sen. - 4s. 0d. John Halliday Jun. - 2s. 0d. Thomas Harlow - 9s. 0d. Richard Andrew - 5s. 0d. Michael - 3s. 0d. Jonathan Gilbert - 6s. 8d. Mary Halliday - 1s. 0d. Wil. Mason - 5s. 0d. Richard Mason Jun. - 5s. 0d. James Chambers - 5s. 0d. John Williams - 10s. 0d. Jony Bullow and her daughter Kath - 5s. 0d. Mary Roa - 3s. 0d. Mary Harlin - 1s. 6d. Jane Rely £ 1. 0s. 0d. Mary Robinson Jun. - 5s. 0d. Katherine McGee - 2s. 6d. Sarah Pierson - 2s. 6d. Elizabeth Robinson £ 1. 0s. 0d. Junior Halliday - 10s. 0d. Geo. Timmony - 17s. 0d. Joseph Robinson £ 1. 0s. 0d. Simon Bell - 13s. 0d. Stephen Thomson - 6s. 0d. Junior Hobs - 12s. 0d. Ezekiel Dougall - 10s. 0d. Roger Crugiton - 5s. 0d. Joell Carr - 6s. 0d. Richard Lynas - 13s. 0d. Bridget Walker £ 1. 0s. 0d. George Hodgson - 10s. 0d. John Softlaw - 3s. 0d. George Thomson - 3s. 0d. Henry Greer - 7s. 0d. Alex Crigley - 10s. 0d. John Crigley - 11s. 0d. Samuel Kirk - 4s. 0d. Jacob Kirk - 4s. 0d. John Kirk - 1s. 0d. Roger Kirk Jun. - 1s. 0d. Joseph Robson £ 1. 15s. 0d. Joshua Hoope - 10s. 0d. James Thomson - 9s. 0d. William Dixson - 4s. 0d. Junior Will and Jo Moreton (son of John Moreton) - 3s. 0d. James Armstrong - 10s. 0d. Hannah Bradshaw - 5s. 0d. Sarah Bradshaw - 5s. 0d. James Bradshaw - 9s. 0d. James Milikin - 12s. 0d. John Beck £ 2. 2s. 0d. Mary Porter - 2s. 6d. Sarah Porter - 2s. 6d. Margaret Brown - 1s. 0d. Sarah Apleton - 1s. 6d. Abigail, Abraham and Hannah Hoope of John Hoope Jun. - 15s. 0d. Daniel Walker - 5s. 0d. Thomas Walker Jun. - 2s. 6d. Jonathan Walker - 2s. 6d. John Silcock - 4s. 0d. Robt.Doany - 2s. 6d. Ailic Hartley - 1s. 0d. Abel Weir - 6s. 0d. Elizabeth Softlaw - 1s. 6d. Ann Mason Jun. - 5s. 0d. Edward Thornbrough - 3s. 0d. REFERENCE NOTES: William Edmondson's Journal, 3rd Edition 1920.2. History of the rise and progress of the people called Quakers in Ireland from 1653 -1700. Wight & Rutty. Minute Book Lurgan Men's Meeting 1675 -1710. Record Book No. I Lurgan Meeting 1674- Mid 18th century. A Compendious View of Sufferings of Quakers in Ireland. Fuller &Holms. The Immigration of Irish Quakers into Pennsylvania 1682 17SO 41 Guide to Irish Quakers Records 1654-1860. Olive C. Goodbody Quakers in Ireland 1654-1900 Public Records Office, Belfast Heart Money Rolls 1664, Parish of Seagoe Deed of Conveyance dated 1679 between Francis Robson and others and Thomas Lynas  B A C K