This is in reply to a quaery from Janet dated 1/23/2009 pertaining to Corneliuw Garretson, son of Garret Garrison. The Garretson family were early members of New Castle, Delaware Friends Meeting. New Castle Meeting, along with the Newark Meeting in Brandywine Hundred, New Castle County, DE, were the earliest Preparative Meetings of Newark Monthly Meeting (after 1760 called Kennett MM). With the rapid growth of Wilmington Preparativve Meeting (1738-1750), Newark MM was divided in 1750 and Wilmington Preparative Meeting and Newark Preparative Meeting were set off as Wilmington MM. New Castle Preparative Meeting rapidly declined after this and was laid down in 1758. While affiliated with Newark MM, New Castle PM tended to be in the backwaters of Newark MM, with little family data listed in the records which survive. When I was compiling my _Delaware Quaker Records_, ca. 1965-1969, I relied on a secondary source, "Garretson News", a family newsletter published ca. 1940-1960 for data concerning the Garretson family. I found files of this publication in the library of the Historifal Society of Delaware in Wilmington and in other nearby historical libraries. There is an abstract of the will of Garret Garretson in _New Castle County Wills_, Misc.I , p. 139, found in Delaware historical libraries. I have no record of a will for Cornelius Garretson. There is a record from the minutes of Wilmington Monthly Meeting dated 10 mo. 4, 1756: "Cornelius Garretson granted a certificate, on the request of New Castle Preparative Meeting, to West River Monthly Meeting in Maryland." It is my understanding that West River Monthly Meeting at that time was actually called Clifts Monthly Meeting, and perhaps later Herring Creek Monthly Meeting. It was located in Montgomery County, Maryland. The present day Sandy Springs Monthly Meeting is a successor to this Monthly Meeting. Perhaps a copy of the will of Cornelius Garretson can be found in the records of Montgomery County, Maryland. ------ Herbert Standing, Earlham, Iowa. **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)

Sorry, I guess I was taking for granted that everyone knows that things online and in ANY place that early, can only be taken with a grain of salt, knowing that records that early are scarce. But, hey, we've gotta start somewhere and if we have little clues, well, that may just help us along the way a bit more. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Brayer To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Q-R] Shattuck We need to be aware and suspicious of the misinformation on the web regarding "Samuel" and "Sibley." The available resources do not tell us the first name of Mr. Shattuck. Samuel is a possibility, of course, as that name is carried down through generations. And, William is a specualtion by Lemuel Shattuck. But, there are no contemporary records providing that information. "Memorials of the Descendants of William Shattuck", Appendix Lemuel Shattuck, Boston, MA, 1855, p. 57 "Similarly, this Samuel Shattuck - Damaris Sibley marriage should be treated as speculative. The extreme old age of this Samuel Shattuck is also highly suspicious. " The best we can know at this point is the following: "New England Marriages Prior to 1700" Clarence A. Torrey, Baltimore, MD, 1985 p. 664 "SHATTUCK, ? & Damaris ? (-1674), m/2 Thomas GARDNER; in Eng, b 1620; Salem" > Here is one website that says that Isaac Page married >Damaris Shattuck, > dau of Samuel Shattuck and Damaris >Sibley. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Carolyn, for sharing the two web sites that you found via Googleing. In particular, http://www.quakersurnames.net/page.html was very helpful in extending some of my Nantucket lines. Katie, of Katie's Surnames, has done ALOT of researching. Without specific sources the information should be treated as questionable but it is certainly a good basis for further research. She has at least two pages of "References - bibliographies" listed so I have my reading cut out for me. Mary LeMay

Back to the question of who was in the Quaker party that sailed to America in 1657, they are named in many books of Quaker history and I list them below. The Woodhouse left England for America in June 1657 with Robert Fowler as captain. Warned by experienced seamen against attempting to cross the ocean in such a small boat, some of the crew had backed out. Even Fowler considered calling it off, but George Fox talked him into going ahead. Six of the passengers, William Brend, John Copeland, Sarah Gibbons, Christopher Holder, Dorothy Waugh, and Mary Wetherhead, had crossed the Atlantic the previous summer on the Speedwell. First-time members of this Quaker mission, not yet banished from Boston, were: Robert Hodgson (in his 30s--he figures in my family history); Mary Clark (middle-aged); Richard Doudney; Humphrey Norton; and Wm. Robinson (always described as “young”). The voyage took two months, but they reached New Amsterdam safely, and paid a courtesy call on Gov. Stuyvesant before sailing through the then perilous East River and into Long Island Sound. Fowler left five of his passengers to preach in Dutch territory: Dorothy Waugh, Mary Wetherhead, Richard Doudney, Sarah Gibbons, and Robert Hodgson. Continuing on board to Rhode Is. (arriving on Aug. 3 according to some sources) were the two oldest, Wm. Brend /Brent and Mary Clark, together with John Copeland, Christopher Holder, Humphrey Norton, and Wm. Robinson. In time, all 11 passengers reached Rhode Island and made their way by various routes on to Plymouth and/or Boston. Within 2 ½ years, all had been imprisoned, several had been cruelly treated, and five were dead. But the seeds planted by their work sprouted, and they left small but viable Quaker meetings from Mass. to Virginia. -- S. Newton

We need to be aware and suspicious of the misinformation on the web regarding "Samuel" and "Sibley." The available resources do not tell us the first name of Mr. Shattuck. Samuel is a possibility, of course, as that name is carried down through generations. And, William is a specualtion by Lemuel Shattuck. But, there are no contemporary records providing that information. "Memorials of the Descendants of William Shattuck", Appendix Lemuel Shattuck, Boston, MA, 1855, p. 57 "Similarly, this Samuel Shattuck - Damaris Sibley marriage should be treated as speculative. The extreme old age of this Samuel Shattuck is also highly suspicious. " The best we can know at this point is the following: "New England Marriages Prior to 1700" Clarence A. Torrey, Baltimore, MD, 1985 p. 664 "SHATTUCK, ? & Damaris ? (-1674), m/2 Thomas GARDNER; in Eng, b 1620; Salem" > Here is one website that says that Isaac Page married >Damaris Shattuck, > dau of Samuel Shattuck and Damaris >Sibley.

Carl Denbow, Tom Hamm noted that Sunsbury was a preparative meeting under Somerset Monthly Meeting, now named Chestnut Ridge. Its records were abstracted in Hinshaw as reported in my MMNA entry. http://www.quakermeetings.com/meeting_view?anID=TST82L The 1840-1860 minutes and vital records for the monthly meeting were also microfilmed by the Ohio Historical Society in 1991-92. Copies of the microfilm were stored at the OHS, the Barnesville Ohio Public Library, Friends Historical Library at Swarthmore College, Guilford College, Malone College and Earlham College. Tom Thomas C. Hill Cincinnati, OH and Charlottesville, VA Note new e-mail address: [email protected] www.QuakerMeetings.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Carl J. Denbow Sent: 23 January 2009 11:57 AM To: Quaker-Roots Subject: Re: [Q-R] Monthly Meetings in [Monroe County, Ohio] Thanks, Tom, for all of your information. Any idea where the records of the Sunsbury meetings (circa 1840-1860) might be located? From one of your other posts I was able to contact folks at the Deer Creek MM for information on their records and am waiting a response. The person I'm trying to track down is my g3grandmother Martha A. Sharp, who later became Martha Denbow. She was from a Quaker family back in Harford County, Maryland, and was -- according to family story -- thrown out for "marrying out of meeting." I don't think she ever affiliated with the Quakers after moving to Monroe County, Ohio, but I thought it worth looking into. Most of her children are buried in a rural Methodist cemetery, though she is in a private cemetery. Her second husband (John Denbow died in 1862 while serving in the U.S. Army fighting the late Rebellion) was instrumental in founding the Buchanan Presbyterian church, near Lewisville, Ohio, in Monroe County. John himself is an interesting character. He was never to my knowledge a Quaker but he apparently shared his wife's Quaker sentiments on slavery and joined the Union army at age 63, by telling the recruitment officer that he was 44. We have photo of him, and he does look young for his age. Thanks, again, for all of your help. Carl [email protected] wrote: > According to James H. Norton's very useful Ph.D. dissertation at Case Western "Quakers West of the Alleghenies and in Ohio to 1861," "Sunsbury Meeting was located in Sunsbury Township, Monroe County, near Jerusalem. A Meeting for Worship was established in 1825 by Somerset Monthly Meeting. Sunsbury was divided by the Separation of 1828, with both branches carrying on meetings. It appears that the Hicksite meeting did not enjoy a long duration of existence. The Orthodox group sided with the Conservative Friends in 1854. Sunsbury Preparative Meeting was laid down in 1865 and the Meeting for Worship by 1867." Since Sunsbury never became a monthly meeting, pertinent records to 1828 will be found in the Somerset Monthly Meeting. After the Hicksite Separation, the Orthodox members remained part of Somerset Monthly Meeting, while the Hicksites would have become a branch of the Hicksite Stillwater Monthly Meeting. > > As for Alum Creek Monthly Meeting, the Benedict family, who were Orthodox, were committed abolitionists, and probably had sympathies with Anti-Slavery Friends. I don't know of any separation there in the 1840s, however. > > Tom Hamm > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Carl J. Denbow >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:51 PM >> To: Quaker-Roots >> Subject: [Q-R] Monthly Meetings in Northern Maryland and Nearby Areas of Pennsylvania >> >> * * * >> >> Also, there was a meeting in the Sunsbury area of Monroe County, Ohio, in the 1830-1860 period. Does anyone know of records of this meeting? Alice Dana Adams, in her book "The Neglected Period of Anti-Slavery in America 1808-1831," says that the anti-slavery society meeting at the Sunsbury meeting house in Monroe County, Ohio, was extremely radical in both its published addresses and its constitution. If these records exists (Adams quotes from them), then I would think other records of the meeting itself would also exist. >> >> Thanks for any help you can give me. >> >> Carl >> >> ==================================================================== >> Carl J. Denbow >> 17 Coventry Lane >> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 >> (740)592-2133 (h) >> (740)593-2204 (o) >> (740)591-8471 (c) >> [email protected] >> www.denbow.org >> www.78ohio.org >> ====================================================================

Thanks, Mark. I seems like I did read about Damaris marrying both of the Page brothers....and not necessarily before the other was dead or gone, either. Seems like she may have run off with the brother she wasn't 1st married to. Sure wish I were at my own pc so I could see where I read all this! It is wonderful to have all this new info from you, though, and I thank you very much! This gives me a couple more generations to add to my line. How awesome is that? Let's keep the communication going. Thanks again, Carolyn Chappell Nelson -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: [email protected] > > This extract may answer some questions. > > > > Mark > > > > âMemorials of the Descendants of William Shattuck,â by Lemuel Shattuck, > printed by Dutton and Wentworth for the family, Boston, 1855. > > > p. 8: â1. William Shattuck was the most remote ancestor with whom we have > been enabled to connect ourselves, in our history, upon satisfactory > evidence; and we begin with his, in our classification, as the first, or > earliest known generation. From him, as their common progenitor, have > descended nearly all, if not every one, of those who now bear his name in > America. He was born in England in 1621 or 1622, and died in Watertown, > Massachusetts, August 14, 1672, aged 50 years. His exact origin and early > history are involved in obscurity. Neither the place of his birth, nor the > year in which he came to this country, nor the names of his parents, are > certainly known. There is no doubt, however, that his immediate ancestors > and connections were residents of England; and they were probably among > those already mentioned in our introductory observations, either of > Lancastershire, Somersetshire, or Berkshire, but we are unable to specify > the particular persons or locality. It has been conjectured that his father > might have died on his passage or soon after his arrival; and also that he > might have been the son of widow DAMARIS SHATTUCK, who was admitted to the > church in Salem in 1641, and a brother of Samuel Shattuck, noticed in the > Appendix to these Memorials; and their ages, the prevalence of similar names > in their respective families, and other circumstances, give some probability > to these conjectures.â > > > p.46: Appendix > > â1. Samuel Shattuck of Salem > > (1) DAMARIS SHATTUCK, then a widow, was admitted to the church in Salem > in 1641. At what time she came from England, whether before or after the > death of her first husband, and what his Christian name was, are unknown? > She afterwards became the 2d wife of Capt. Thomas Gardner, a distinguished > merchant and citizen of Salem. She died in that town Nov. 28, 1674. Capt. > Gardner died September 4, 1677, leaving a will, dated December 7, 1668, in > which he mentions his wife, DAMARIS, six sons â Thomas, George, John, > Samuel, Joseph, and Richard; and daughters, Sarah Balch, Seeth Grafton, and > Miriam Hall, all by his first wife, Margaret Frier. Two of his sons married > daughters of their stepmother. DAMARIS had by MR. SHATTUCK several > children, all probably born in England, the names of some of which are > known. > 1. Samuel; who is noticed below. > 2. DAMARIS, married in Boston, September 30, 1653, Samuel PAGE, or Pope. > [Note: She actually married ISAAC PAGE] > 3. Mary; married Hams, and lived in Boston. [See her petition, further > on.] > 4. Hannah; married George Gardner. She united with the church in 1649, but > was dismissed. They removed to Nantucket, where their son Joseph > married in 1670 and had several children. > 5. Sarah; married in 1652, Richard Gardner, and had Richard, Deborah, > James, Damaris, Hope and Levi. He and his wife were excommunicated from > the church in Salem for attending Quaker meetings; and they removed in > 1666 to Nantucket, where their two youngest children were born. > > Second Generation and Children > > (2). Samuel Shattuck, son of widow DAMARIS SHATTUCK (1) was born in England > about 1620. He was a felt-maker or hatter, in Salem, where he died. A > stone, still standing over his grave in Salem, bears the following > inscription: - âHere lyeth buried ye body of Samuel Shattuck, aged 69 years, > who departed this life ye 6^th day of June, 1689.â He was admitted to the > church in Salem in 1642, and was described as âa man of good repute;â but > for reasons presently to be stated, he was excommunicated. He left a will, > dated April 6, 1689, which appoints his wife Hannah executrix, and directs > that his sons Samuel and Retire should each have a double portion of his > estate; and that the remainder should be divided equally between his six > daughters. His estate was not settled and distributed until Nov. 1, 1701. > His son Retire, and his daughters Return and Patience, died after their > father and before the distribution. They left no issue, and are not > mentioned in the settlement. The husbands of Hannah, Damaris and Priscilla > had also died, and they are then described as widows. Samuel, the only > surviving son, received a double portion, and the four daughters received > each L37.7.4 (Essex Records, Vol. VII, pp. 111-114) His children, born in > Salem, were: > > 1. Samuel, born October 7, 1649, married Sarah Bucknam. > > 2. Hannah, born August 28, 1651, married John Soames, son of Morris > Soames of Gloucester. He resided in Boston. Left a will, dated Nov. 13, > 1687, proved Nov. 8, 1700. He left several children, but Benjamin was the > only survivor at the final settlement of his estate. > > 3. Damaris, born Nov. 11, 1653, m. Benjamin Pope of Salem. His estate > was appraised May 6, 1702, and L408.12.10 and divided between the widow and > four sons, Benjamin, Samuel, Ebenezer, and Jerome. > > 4. Mary, born March 14, 1655, married Benjamin Trask of Beverly. > > 5. Priscilla, born May 1, 1658, married April 26, 1694, Hugh Nichols > of Salem. > > 6. Return, born August 16, 1662, married Sept. 14, 1688 John Saunders > > 7. Retire, born March 28, 1664, died unmarried. A stone erected in > Salem to his memory, has the epitaph: - âHere lyeth buried ye body of Retire > Shattuck, aged 27 years, departed this life ye 9^th day of September 1691.â > > 8. Patience, born Nov. 18, 1666, married July 29, 1689 John Smith of > Salem. > > Return and Retire are supposed to have been named to commemorate his > remarkable retiring and returning from England. > > Third Generation and Children. > > (2) Samuel Shattuck, only surviving son of Samuel, above mentioned (2), > was born in Salem, August 7, 1649 and followed the occupation of his father > in his native town, where he died in 1723, age 74. His will, dated December > 22, 1722, and proved March 25, 1723, mentions John, âhis only sonâ and > executor. (Essex Records, Vol. XIII, pp. 311-313.) He was taxed in Boston > several years. He married July 24, 1676, Sarah Buchnam, sister of William > and Jose Bucknam of Malden. Elizabeth, wife of Benjamin Whittemore, Mary, > wife of Benjamin Webb, and Mehitable, wife of Samuel Waite, were also his > sisters. They had,-- > 1. Samuel, born Sept. 7, 1678, probably died young, or before his father. > 2. John, born March 13, 1680, married Mary Crowley > 3. Margaret B., married Daniel Bacon of Salem > > Fourth Generation > > (3) Capt. John Shattuck, only surviving son of Samuel (3), born in Salem > March 13, 1680, was a master mariner. He married in Salem, November 11, > 1708, Mary Crowley, but no record of any children has been found. On the > 21^st Feb 1731 he sold his real estate in Salem to Samuel and Mighill Bacon, > and probably removed from the town, since his name is not afterwards found. > In him the name of Shattuck in this line appears to have become extinct. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Okay, since I can't get to my own database from here, I just googled it. Here is one website that says that Isaac Page married Damaris Shattuck, dau of Samuel Shattuck and Damaris Sibley. I haven't seen this particular page before, seems what I found was more of a real resource....I'm staying in VA for another week now, so won't be home until the first of next month, but I am going to try to get to a good pc and email my database to myself so I can look at it and work on it from here. Thanks, Carolyn http://www.geocities.com/ronaldivanfuller/HTML/fam02383.htm here's another that shows how she goes down into my line with Henry White in NC... http://www.quakersurnames.net/page.html -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Mary Lemay <[email protected]> > I have a Samuel Shattuck in my line b. in England. His wife was > Damaris (surname unknown) and they had a daughter Sarah who married Richard > Gardener before 1653. > > According to "The Early Settlers of Nantucket 1659-1850" by Lydia Hinchman > Damaris was married to Samuel Shattuck and they probably had a son with that > name. Carolyn, where did you get Page as the surname of Damaris? If you > are home again, do you have any birth or marriage dates for these > early Shattucks? > > Mary LeMay > [email protected]

This extract may answer some questions. Mark âMemorials of the Descendants of William Shattuck,â by Lemuel Shattuck, printed by Dutton and Wentworth for the family, Boston, 1855. p. 8: â1. William Shattuck was the most remote ancestor with whom we have been enabled to connect ourselves, in our history, upon satisfactory evidence; and we begin with his, in our classification, as the first, or earliest known generation. From him, as their common progenitor, have descended nearly all, if not every one, of those who now bear his name in America. He was born in England in 1621 or 1622, and died in Watertown, Massachusetts, August 14, 1672, aged 50 years. His exact origin and early history are involved in obscurity. Neither the place of his birth, nor the year in which he came to this country, nor the names of his parents, are certainly known. There is no doubt, however, that his immediate ancestors and connections were residents of England; and they were probably among those already mentioned in our introductory observations, either of Lancastershire, Somersetshire, or Berkshire, but we are unable to specify the particular persons or locality. It has been conjectured that his father might have died on his passage or soon after his arrival; and also that he might have been the son of widow DAMARIS SHATTUCK, who was admitted to the church in Salem in 1641, and a brother of Samuel Shattuck, noticed in the Appendix to these Memorials; and their ages, the prevalence of similar names in their respective families, and other circumstances, give some probability to these conjectures.â p.46: Appendix â1. Samuel Shattuck of Salem (1) DAMARIS SHATTUCK, then a widow, was admitted to the church in Salem in 1641. At what time she came from England, whether before or after the death of her first husband, and what his Christian name was, are unknown? She afterwards became the 2d wife of Capt. Thomas Gardner, a distinguished merchant and citizen of Salem. She died in that town Nov. 28, 1674. Capt. Gardner died September 4, 1677, leaving a will, dated December 7, 1668, in which he mentions his wife, DAMARIS, six sons â Thomas, George, John, Samuel, Joseph, and Richard; and daughters, Sarah Balch, Seeth Grafton, and Miriam Hall, all by his first wife, Margaret Frier. Two of his sons married daughters of their stepmother. DAMARIS had by MR. SHATTUCK several children, all probably born in England, the names of some of which are known. 1. Samuel; who is noticed below. 2. DAMARIS, married in Boston, September 30, 1653, Samuel PAGE, or Pope. [Note: She actually married ISAAC PAGE] 3. Mary; married Hams, and lived in Boston. [See her petition, further on.] 4. Hannah; married George Gardner. She united with the church in 1649, but was dismissed. They removed to Nantucket, where their son Joseph married in 1670 and had several children. 5. Sarah; married in 1652, Richard Gardner, and had Richard, Deborah, James, Damaris, Hope and Levi. He and his wife were excommunicated from the church in Salem for attending Quaker meetings; and they removed in 1666 to Nantucket, where their two youngest children were born. Second Generation and Children (2). Samuel Shattuck, son of widow DAMARIS SHATTUCK (1) was born in England about 1620. He was a felt-maker or hatter, in Salem, where he died. A stone, still standing over his grave in Salem, bears the following inscription: - âHere lyeth buried ye body of Samuel Shattuck, aged 69 years, who departed this life ye 6^th day of June, 1689.â He was admitted to the church in Salem in 1642, and was described as âa man of good repute;â but for reasons presently to be stated, he was excommunicated. He left a will, dated April 6, 1689, which appoints his wife Hannah executrix, and directs that his sons Samuel and Retire should each have a double portion of his estate; and that the remainder should be divided equally between his six daughters. His estate was not settled and distributed until Nov. 1, 1701. His son Retire, and his daughters Return and Patience, died after their father and before the distribution. They left no issue, and are not mentioned in the settlement. The husbands of Hannah, Damaris and Priscilla had also died, and they are then described as widows. Samuel, the only surviving son, received a double portion, and the four daughters received each L37.7.4 (Essex Records, Vol. VII, pp. 111-114) His children, born in Salem, were: 1. Samuel, born October 7, 1649, married Sarah Bucknam. 2. Hannah, born August 28, 1651, married John Soames, son of Morris Soames of Gloucester. He resided in Boston. Left a will, dated Nov. 13, 1687, proved Nov. 8, 1700. He left several children, but Benjamin was the only survivor at the final settlement of his estate. 3. Damaris, born Nov. 11, 1653, m. Benjamin Pope of Salem. His estate was appraised May 6, 1702, and L408.12.10 and divided between the widow and four sons, Benjamin, Samuel, Ebenezer, and Jerome. 4. Mary, born March 14, 1655, married Benjamin Trask of Beverly. 5. Priscilla, born May 1, 1658, married April 26, 1694, Hugh Nichols of Salem. 6. Return, born August 16, 1662, married Sept. 14, 1688 John Saunders 7. Retire, born March 28, 1664, died unmarried. A stone erected in Salem to his memory, has the epitaph: - âHere lyeth buried ye body of Retire Shattuck, aged 27 years, departed this life ye 9^th day of September 1691.â 8. Patience, born Nov. 18, 1666, married July 29, 1689 John Smith of Salem. Return and Retire are supposed to have been named to commemorate his remarkable retiring and returning from England. Third Generation and Children. (2) Samuel Shattuck, only surviving son of Samuel, above mentioned (2), was born in Salem, August 7, 1649 and followed the occupation of his father in his native town, where he died in 1723, age 74. His will, dated December 22, 1722, and proved March 25, 1723, mentions John, âhis only sonâ and executor. (Essex Records, Vol. XIII, pp. 311-313.) He was taxed in Boston several years. He married July 24, 1676, Sarah Buchnam, sister of William and Jose Bucknam of Malden. Elizabeth, wife of Benjamin Whittemore, Mary, wife of Benjamin Webb, and Mehitable, wife of Samuel Waite, were also his sisters. They had,-- 1. Samuel, born Sept. 7, 1678, probably died young, or before his father. 2. John, born March 13, 1680, married Mary Crowley 3. Margaret B., married Daniel Bacon of Salem Fourth Generation (3) Capt. John Shattuck, only surviving son of Samuel (3), born in Salem March 13, 1680, was a master mariner. He married in Salem, November 11, 1708, Mary Crowley, but no record of any children has been found. On the 21^st Feb 1731 he sold his real estate in Salem to Samuel and Mighill Bacon, and probably removed from the town, since his name is not afterwards found. In him the name of Shattuck in this line appears to have become extinct.

I do not have a list of Quakers on the 1661 charter voyage to Boston. Samuel Shattuck for sure, and probably Nicholas Phelps and Josiah Southwick, who fled to England from Boston with Shattuck. I speculate that Christopher and Mary Holder--with baby Mary?--might also have sailed with Shattuck on the Ralph Goldsmith ship the Quakers chartered, for Christopher had helped prepare the case which Edward Burrough took to the king, and the Holders were settled at Newport by 1662. Humphrey Norton, who came to America on the Woodhouse in 1657, seems to have been from Co. Durham, in the North, and to have spent some time in Ireland as a Quaker missionary. He was cruelly treated during his American imprisonments and returned to England embittered. I have not been able to tell from what I have read whether he dropped out of the Quaker movement completely or not. The Index to Besse's record of early Quaker Sufferings lists several other Nortons but no Joseph. There were two Nortons in Yorkshire, one in the East Riding near Malton, and one in the West Riding near Sheffield. Two Nortons in Lincolnshire were excommunicated as Quakers in 1663/4. Richard Norton of Essex had goods taken in the late 1650s. Wm. Norton, a long-time prisoner in Sussex, was released by the Gen. Pardon of 1672. Fox called on a widow Norton in VA in 1672. Katharine McLaughlin, who grew up near Coleraine, in northern Ireland, in a “good family,” took ship for Barbados at 16 and married someone there named Norton. She was convinced of Quakerism when the Fox party came to the island in 1671, and in the winter of 1677/8, returned to her homeland as a traveling minister, one of the only Friends to reach out to the non-English population of Ireland by preaching in the marketplace in Irish. -- S. Newton

I am seeking information about Cornelius Garretson wife Hester It is know they had two sons James and John Does anyone have his Cornelius will? Cornelius Garretson son Garret Garretson and his wife Charity Hussey Janet

Thanks, Tom, for all of your information. Any idea where the records of the Sunsbury meetings (circa 1840-1860) might be located? From one of your other posts I was able to contact folks at the Deer Creek MM for information on their records and am waiting a response. The person I'm trying to track down is my g3grandmother Martha A. Sharp, who later became Martha Denbow. She was from a Quaker family back in Harford County, Maryland, and was -- according to family story -- thrown out for "marrying out of meeting." I don't think she ever affiliated with the Quakers after moving to Monroe County, Ohio, but I thought it worth looking into. Most of her children are buried in a rural Methodist cemetery, though she is in a private cemetery. Her second husband (John Denbow died in 1862 while serving in the U.S. Army fighting the late Rebellion) was instrumental in founding the Buchanan Presbyterian church, near Lewisville, Ohio, in Monroe County. John himself is an interesting character. He was never to my knowledge a Quaker but he apparently shared his wife's Quaker sentiments on slavery and joined the Union army at age 63, by telling the recruitment officer that he was 44. We have photo of him, and he does look young for his age. Thanks, again, for all of your help. Carl [email protected] wrote: > According to James H. Norton's very useful Ph.D. dissertation at Case > Western "Quakers West of the Alleghenies and in Ohio to 1861," "Sunsbury > Meeting was located in Sunsbury Township, Monroe County, near Jerusalem. > A Meeting for Worship was established in 1825 by Somerset Monthly Meeting. > Sunsbury was divided by the Separation of 1828, with both branches > carrying on meetings. It appears that the Hicksite meeting did not enjoy > a long duration of existence. The Orthodox group sided with the > Conservative Friends in 1854. Sunsbury Preparative Meeting was laid down > in 1865 and the Meeting for Worship by 1867." Since Susnbury never became > a monthly meeting, pertinent records to 1828 will be found in the Somerset > Monthly Meeting. After the Hicksite Separation, the Orthodox members > remained part of Somerset Monthly Meeting, while the Hicksites would have > become a branch of the Hicksite Stillwater Monthly Meeting. > > As for Alum Creek Monthly Meeting, the Benedict family, who were Orthodox, > were committed abolitionists, and probably had sympathies with > Anti-Slavery Friends. I don't know of any separation there in the 1840s, > however. > > Tom Hamm > > > As I remember my Interstate 71 exits, Sunsbury is nearest to Alum Creek > >> Monthly Meeting in Morrow County, OH: >> http://www.quakermeetings.com/meeting_view?anID=TST57L >> I do not know of a specific Anti-Slavery separation in Alum Creek MM, but >> the Congregational Friends may have attracted some members of the Hicksite >> Alum Creek meeting farther north in Morrow County and over in Knox County. >> http://www.quakermeetings.com/meeting_view?anID=TST58L >> >> As to the Congregational Friends, Tom Hamm's book, GOD'S GOVERNMENT >> BEGUN: THE SOCIETY FOR UNIVERSAL INQUIRY AND REFORM, 1842-1846, is the >> most >> comprehensive source. You might focus on pp. 108ff (PRAIRIE HOME) or pp. >> 122ff (HIGHLAND HOME). The nearest identifiable monthly meeting was >> Goshen >> (Congregational) MM in Logan County. >> http://www.quakermeetings.com/meeting_view?anID=TST807L >> In October when I was researching another question in the Alum Creek >> (Orthodox/EFI) minutes, I saw several entries that suggested some >> anti-slavery sympathies in the 1840s. These Ohio meetings were still part >> of Indiana YM until 1856, so they were in part caught up in the >> anti-slavery >> separation of that time. >> >> Tom Hill >> >> Thomas C. Hill >> Cincinnati, OH and >> Charlottesville, VA >> [email protected] >> Website: WWW.QuakerMeetings.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carl J. Denbow >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:51 PM >> To: Quaker-Roots >> Subject: [Q-R] Monthly Meetings in Northern Maryland and Nearby Areas of >> Pennsylvania >> >> * * * >> >> Also, there was a meeting in the Sunsbury area of Monroe County, Ohio, in >> the 1830-1860 period. Does anyone know of records of this meeting? >> Alice >> Dana Adams, in her book "The Neglected Period of Anti-Slavery in America >> 1808-1831," says that the anti-slavery society meeting at the Sunsbury >> meeting house in Monroe County, Ohio, was extremely radical in both its >> published addresses and its constitution. If these records exists (Adams >> quotes from them), then I would think other records of the meeting itself >> would also exist. >> >> Thanks for any help you can give me. >> >> Carl >> >> ==================================================================== >> Carl J. 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Robert, I wonder if you know who the other passengers both on the 1657 and the 1661 chartered voyage were. I have a Joseph NORTON who married Susanna GETCHELL in 1661 in Salisbury and I'm always trying to discover his origins. A number of his children were Quakers. Thanks for any help you can give me. Mary Norton in Madison, WI On Jan 22, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Robert Burns wrote: > So much for the myth of religious tolerance in the Americas. > > At 12:01 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote: >>> ?? Christopher Holder (1631-1688, born and buried near Bristol), >>> has been >>> described as ?high-born? and ?highly educated? with ?abundant >>> means? and ? >>> kinsmen high in the church?. At 25, in 1656, he arrived in Boston >> with a group >>> intent upon introducing Quakerism in America. The whole group was >>> sent back to England immediately. He returned to America the next >> year with >>> a Quaker party which succeeded in launching the American mission. >>> He is >>> credited with organizing the first Quaker meeting in America, in >> Christopher?s >>> Hollow, near Sandwich on Cape Cod, and he preached from New >>> England to >>> Maryland.? The Boston authorities jailed him several times for >> not obeying their >>> anti-Quaker laws and in 1658 cut off one of his ears.? He may >> have helped finance >>> both the 1657 expedition and the 1661 chartered voyage which >> carried back the >>> king?s order that Boston must stop hanging Quakers > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------- > Robert Burns, Attorney & Counselor at Law > California Bar Assn. No. 91489 > 4877 Voltaire Street > P.O.B. 7263 > Ocean Beach (San Diego), CA U.S.A. 92167 > (619) 223-0441 (voice) > (847) 557-1220 (e-Fax) > If you do not have eFax Messenger or an eFax Microviewer installed > on your PC, > download a free copy at http://www.efax.com/en/efax/twa/page/download > > > E-Mail: <[email protected]> TM > URL: <http://www.oblaw.com/>http://www.OBLaw.com TM > http://www.RobertBurns.biz > > Over 28 years practicing law. > > Family Law, Personal Injury Law, Probate Law, and More > Major credit cards accepted. > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally > privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not > the intended recipient please delete. > > As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that > all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community > are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope > ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and > liberality. George Washington. > > Without Freedom of Thought, there can be no such Thing as Wisdom; and > no such Thing as publick Liberty, without Freedom of Speech. > Benjamin Franklin > > Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise > whenever you can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often > a real loser--in fees, expenses, and waste of time ... Never stir up > litigation. A worse man can scarcely be found than one who does > this. Abraham Lincoln. > > The SDCBA Attorney Code of Conduct can be found > at: http://www.sdcba.org/codeofconduct.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I have a Samuel Shattuck in my line b. in England. His wife was Damaris (surname unknown) and they had a daughter Sarah who married Richard Gardener before 1653. According to "The Early Settlers of Nantucket 1659-1850" by Lydia Hinchman Damaris was married to Samuel Shattuck and they probably had a son with that name. Carolyn, where did you get Page as the surname of Damaris? If you are home again, do you have any birth or marriage dates for these early Shattucks? Mary LeMay [email protected]

Hi. I am a descendant of John and Elizabeth (Pearson) Townsend, parents of James Townsend who married Mary Houghton in 1775. My question: was her name Mary or Martha? I have "Martha". Also, who were their children? And, who did Mary/Martha marry first? Kim Spangrude found this in an old Quaker Roots post from 2007: " have three husbands for Mary Cook, daughter of Isaac and Mary (Houghton) Cook. First was James Townsend (married 6 April, 1775, at Bush River MM). Second was Ralph Hunt Jr. (married 3 Jan., 1793). Third was Joseph Cloud (married 7 June, 1810).

Does Samuel Shattuck relate to Damaris Page/Shattuck...sorry, my memory is a bit shady and I'm away from my home pc. Thanks, Carolyn Chappell Nelson -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Mark E. Dixon" <[email protected]> > Oh, religious tolerance exists, but it had to be created. > > Disproportionately, it was the Quakers who created this tolerance. Madison > famously observed that religious liberty was a product of our "multiplicity > of sects," i.e., many different religions. In such an environment, the only > way to protect your own liberty is to protect everyone's liberty. That was > the system pioneered by the Quakers in Pennsylvania. > > Incidentally, the fellow who carried Charles II's order to Boston was Samuel > Shattuck, my 10th-great uncle. > > Mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Burns" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Q-R] QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 26 > > > > So much for the myth of religious tolerance in the Americas. > > > > At 12:01 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote: > >> > ?? Christopher Holder (1631-1688, born and buried near Bristol), has > >> > been > >> > described as ?high-born? and ?highly educated? with ?abundant means? > >> > and ? > >> > kinsmen high in the church?. At 25, in 1656, he arrived in Boston > >> with a group > >> > intent upon introducing Quakerism in America. The whole group was > >> > sent back to England immediately. He returned to America the next > >> year with > >> > a Quaker party which succeeded in launching the American mission. He is > >> > credited with organizing the first Quaker meeting in America, in > >> Christopher?s > >> > Hollow, near Sandwich on Cape Cod, and he preached from New England to > >> > Maryland.? The Boston authorities jailed him several times for > >> not obeying their > >> > anti-Quaker laws and in 1658 cut off one of his ears.? He may > >> have helped finance > >> > both the 1657 expedition and the 1661 chartered voyage which > >> carried back the > >> > king?s order that Boston must stop hanging Quakers > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------- > > Robert Burns, Attorney & Counselor at Law > > California Bar Assn. No. 91489 > > 4877 Voltaire Street > > P.O.B. 7263 > > Ocean Beach (San Diego), CA U.S.A. 92167 > > (619) 223-0441 (voice) > > (847) 557-1220 (e-Fax) > > If you do not have eFax Messenger or an eFax Microviewer installed on your > > PC, > > download a free copy at http://www.efax.com/en/efax/twa/page/download > > > > > > E-Mail: <[email protected]> TM > > URL: <http://www.oblaw.com/>http://www.OBLaw.com TM > > http://www.RobertBurns.biz > > > > Over 28 years practicing law. > > > > Family Law, Personal Injury Law, Probate Law, and More > > Major credit cards accepted. > > > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally > > privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not > > the intended recipient please delete. > > > > As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that > > all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community > > are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope > > ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and > > liberality. George Washington. > > > > Without Freedom of Thought, there can be no such Thing as Wisdom; and > > no such Thing as publick Liberty, without Freedom of Speech. > > Benjamin Franklin > > > > Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise > > whenever you can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often > > a real loser--in fees, expenses, and waste of time ... Never stir up > > litigation. A worse man can scarcely be found than one who does > > this. Abraham Lincoln. > > > > The SDCBA Attorney Code of Conduct can be found > > at: http://www.sdcba.org/codeofconduct.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Oh, religious tolerance exists, but it had to be created. Disproportionately, it was the Quakers who created this tolerance. Madison famously observed that religious liberty was a product of our "multiplicity of sects," i.e., many different religions. In such an environment, the only way to protect your own liberty is to protect everyone's liberty. That was the system pioneered by the Quakers in Pennsylvania. Incidentally, the fellow who carried Charles II's order to Boston was Samuel Shattuck, my 10th-great uncle. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Burns" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 26 > So much for the myth of religious tolerance in the Americas. > > At 12:01 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote: >> > ?? Christopher Holder (1631-1688, born and buried near Bristol), has >> > been >> > described as ?high-born? and ?highly educated? with ?abundant means? >> > and ? >> > kinsmen high in the church?. At 25, in 1656, he arrived in Boston >> with a group >> > intent upon introducing Quakerism in America. The whole group was >> > sent back to England immediately. He returned to America the next >> year with >> > a Quaker party which succeeded in launching the American mission. He is >> > credited with organizing the first Quaker meeting in America, in >> Christopher?s >> > Hollow, near Sandwich on Cape Cod, and he preached from New England to >> > Maryland.? The Boston authorities jailed him several times for >> not obeying their >> > anti-Quaker laws and in 1658 cut off one of his ears.? He may >> have helped finance >> > both the 1657 expedition and the 1661 chartered voyage which >> carried back the >> > king?s order that Boston must stop hanging Quakers > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Robert Burns, Attorney & Counselor at Law > California Bar Assn. No. 91489 > 4877 Voltaire Street > P.O.B. 7263 > Ocean Beach (San Diego), CA U.S.A. 92167 > (619) 223-0441 (voice) > (847) 557-1220 (e-Fax) > If you do not have eFax Messenger or an eFax Microviewer installed on your > PC, > download a free copy at http://www.efax.com/en/efax/twa/page/download > > > E-Mail: <[email protected]> TM > URL: <http://www.oblaw.com/>http://www.OBLaw.com TM > http://www.RobertBurns.biz > > Over 28 years practicing law. > > Family Law, Personal Injury Law, Probate Law, and More > Major credit cards accepted. > > The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally > privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not > the intended recipient please delete. > > As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that > all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community > are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope > ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and > liberality. George Washington. > > Without Freedom of Thought, there can be no such Thing as Wisdom; and > no such Thing as publick Liberty, without Freedom of Speech. > Benjamin Franklin > > Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise > whenever you can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often > a real loser--in fees, expenses, and waste of time ... Never stir up > litigation. A worse man can scarcely be found than one who does > this. Abraham Lincoln. > > The SDCBA Attorney Code of Conduct can be found > at: http://www.sdcba.org/codeofconduct.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mark; And your Samuel Shattuck was along with my 8th great grandfather, Nicholas Phelps! Perley claimed "they returned together [Samuel Shattuck and Nicholas Phelps], but Mr. Phelps, being weak in body after some time died." [George Fox, The Journal of George Fox, (rev. ed.) John L. Nickalls (Cambridge: At the University Press, 1952) pp. 411-5; Jones, Quakers in America, p. 94; Perley, History of Salem, p. 257, 268-70.] We know that Nicholas and Hannah were together in Salem when at the Quarterly Court of June 1662, "Nicholas Phelpes and his wife . . . were presented for frequent absence from meeting on the Sabbath Day." Hannah was fined alone in 1663. [Dow and Thresher, Quarterly Courts of Essex, 2:431-2. Chu, Neighbors, p. 170. Dr. Chu has compiled tables of the "Adult Quakers in Salem, 1658-70" and the fines assessed for those years.] Gwen Boyer Bjorkman, "Hannah (Baskel) Phelps Phelps Hill: A Quaker Woman and Her Offspring," National Genealogical Society Quarterly, 75 (December 1987), pp. 289-302. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/2995/hannah.htm Gwen Boyer Bjorkman [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Mark E. Dixon Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Q-R] QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 26 Oh, religious tolerance exists, but it had to be created. Disproportionately, it was the Quakers who created this tolerance. Madison famously observed that religious liberty was a product of our "multiplicity of sects," i.e., many different religions. In such an environment, the only way to protect your own liberty is to protect everyone's liberty. That was the system pioneered by the Quakers in Pennsylvania. Incidentally, the fellow who carried Charles II's order to Boston was Samuel Shattuck, my 10th-great uncle. Mark

So much for the myth of religious tolerance in the Americas. At 12:01 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote: > > ?? Christopher Holder (1631-1688, born and buried near Bristol), has been > > described as ?high-born? and ?highly educated? with ?abundant means? and ? > > kinsmen high in the church?. At 25, in 1656, he arrived in Boston > with a group > > intent upon introducing Quakerism in America. The whole group was > > sent back to England immediately. He returned to America the next > year with > > a Quaker party which succeeded in launching the American mission. He is > > credited with organizing the first Quaker meeting in America, in > Christopher?s > > Hollow, near Sandwich on Cape Cod, and he preached from New England to > > Maryland.? The Boston authorities jailed him several times for > not obeying their > > anti-Quaker laws and in 1658 cut off one of his ears.? He may > have helped finance > > both the 1657 expedition and the 1661 chartered voyage which > carried back the > > king?s order that Boston must stop hanging Quakers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Burns, Attorney & Counselor at Law California Bar Assn. No. 91489 4877 Voltaire Street P.O.B. 7263 Ocean Beach (San Diego), CA U.S.A. 92167 (619) 223-0441 (voice) (847) 557-1220 (e-Fax) If you do not have eFax Messenger or an eFax Microviewer installed on your PC, download a free copy at http://www.efax.com/en/efax/twa/page/download E-Mail: <[email protected]> TM URL: <http://www.oblaw.com/>http://www.OBLaw.com TM http://www.RobertBurns.biz Over 28 years practicing law. Family Law, Personal Injury Law, Probate Law, and More Major credit cards accepted. The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient please delete. As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality. George Washington. Without Freedom of Thought, there can be no such Thing as Wisdom; and no such Thing as publick Liberty, without Freedom of Speech. Benjamin Franklin Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever you can. Point out to them how the nominal winner is often a real loser--in fees, expenses, and waste of time ... Never stir up litigation. A worse man can scarcely be found than one who does this. Abraham Lincoln. The SDCBA Attorney Code of Conduct can be found at: http://www.sdcba.org/codeofconduct.html

In a message dated 1/21/09 10:50:44 PM, [email protected] writes: > I can not help you locate Pauline Waite Harper, but I have information > about Hope Clifton and Christopher Holder.    --  S. Newton > >    Christopher Holder (1631-1688, born and buried near Bristol), has been > described as “high-born” and “highly educated” with “abundant means” and “ > kinsmen high in the church”. At 25, in 1656, he arrived in Boston with a group > intent upon introducing Quakerism in America. The whole group was > sent back to England immediately. He returned to America the next year with > a Quaker party which succeeded in launching the American mission. He is > credited with organizing the first Quaker meeting in America, in Christopher’s > Hollow, near Sandwich on Cape Cod, and he preached from New England to > Maryland.  The Boston authorities jailed him several times for not obeying their > anti-Quaker laws and in 1658 cut off one of his ears.  He may have helped finance > both the 1657 expedition and the 1661 chartered voyage which carried back the > king’s order that Boston must stop hanging Quakers. He crossed the ocean a > number of times, but during the 1660s and 1670s was a resident of Newport > RI.   He married: >    1)  Mary Scott  (m. 1660 in Eng., d.1664/5 in RI), daughter of Quaker > Catherine Marbury Scott of Providence RI and niece of the better-known Anne > Marbury Hutchinson. Mary’s daughter Mary (1661-1737) marr. Peleg Slocum from > Portsmouth in 1680, and raised a large family in Dartmouth, not far from Newport > but in MA.  >    According to the RI MM register of births, a daughter Elizabeth was born > to Christopher and Mary in 11 mo. 1664/5, at or close to the time of Mary’s > death.  Elizabeth (d.c.1715) marr. John Alloway in Eng. and settled there. >    2)  Hope Clifton (m. Dec. 1665; d.1680/1 in RI) was part of a group of > Quakers, including Mary Dyer, who were jailed in Boston for protesting the 1658 > ear mutilations and banished upon their release.   >    From the RI MM births register:  these children were born to Christopher > and Hope in Newport:  Christopher (b.10 mo. 1666);  Hope (b. 1 mo. 1668);  > Patience (b. 12 mo. 1668);  Content (b. 3mo. 1674);  Ann (b.12 mo. 1775).   >    The deaths register reported Hope’s death at Newport in 11 mo. 1680 and > listed the deaths of 4 of her children:  John (d. 6 mo. 1672); Ann (d. 1 mo. > 1676); Patience and Content (d. 6 mo. 1676).   Hope was buried in the burial > ground donated by her father, Thomas Clifton, who drowned in 5 mo. 1681 while “ > washing”, age 75.  Mary d. as the widow of Thomas in 11 mo. 1686/7 at about > 87. (The Clifton Burying Ground was at the corner of Thomas and Golden Hill > Streets, according to an article in the Newport Historical Soc. Bull. 12/1913, > no.10, pp.38-9).  Christopher was in England when Hope died and the Meeting > had to find homes for her two surviving children. Christopher’s widow in > England is said to have remembered Hope’s descendants in her will. >    From wedding certificates (marriage register):  Thomas and Hope signed > the wedding certificate for the 1672 Mary Gould/Joseph Bryar wedding at Wm. > Coddington’s house in Newport, an event attended by George Fox and mentioned in > his Journal.  Christopher and Hope signed the wedding certificates for the > weddings of Matthew Borden of Portsmouth to Sarah Clayton of Newport in 1st mo. > 1673/4, and of Ralph Cowland of Portsmouth to Joan Hide, “late of London”, > in 4 mo. 1677. Thomas Clifton signed the certificate at the Walter > Newberry/Ann Collins wedding on 13 April 1675. >    Thomas Clifton became a Quaker at Rehoboth MA before he moved to Newport, > and like other RI Quakers, bought land at Monmouth NJ in 1667.  (Edwin > Salter, History of Monmouth and Ocean Counties, 1890). >    3)  Grace Lawrence/Laurence Beaton, an English Quaker who outlived Holder > (m.1682 in Eng., her 2nd marriage, his 3rd). >   >    Some sources:  > Besse’s record of the Sufferings of early Quakers, see both >      English and American sections; > Early records of Rhode Island Monthly Meeting at the Newport >      Historical Society; > Charles F. Holder’s history: The Quakers in Great Britain >      and America (NY, Neuner, 1913, 423p.); > Austin’s Genealogical Dictionary of R. Is.  > -  -  -  -  -  > > In response to: > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 > From: MMNA through gmail <[email protected]> > Subject: [Q-R] FW: [Hope CLIFTON, Christopher HOLDER] > To: "Quaker-Roots list" <[email protected]> > > Quaker-Roots list,      I received the attached message forwarded from > www.QuakerMeetings.com, but the website no longer provides the Contact's > e-mail address as it forwards queries.  (1) Do any of you know how I can > reach Pauline Waite Harper?  (2) Do you know anything to help her?  Of > course, if she told me the geographical location of the couple and date of > marriage, I would suggest the location of possibly-helpful records but I do > no people genealogy.     Tom Hill > > Thomas C. Hill > Cincinnati, OH and > Charlottesville, VA > [email protected] > Website: WWW.QuakerMeetings.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, 20 January 2009 > To: [email protected] > > Hi, My grandmother Mary Clifton, daughter of Thomas and Mary Butterworth > Clifton, was a sister to Hope Clifton who married Christopher Holder. I > understand from my readings that Christopher was a strong Quaker follower, > and I believe more of my ancestors followed him.  Can you recommend sources > to find the earliest of Quaker Records in America? Thank You, Pauline Waite > Harper. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > Thanks for reminding me where I had read about Christopher Holder. I highly suggest reading the book "Mary Dyer, A Rebel Quaker" by Ruth Plimpton. Chapter 19 of this wonderful book is entitled Christopher Holder. The book also has wonderful information about Mary Dyer meeting and visiting Margaret Fell, The mother of Quakerism. The historical record about Boston and the backgroud on the charter of Rhode Island and the influence of the Quakers is also very good. Mary was hung by the Congregational Bostonites and her statue today is in the "Boston Commons". Howard W Cook ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgI D=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62)