Seth refers to the Deerfield (Hicksite) MM in Morgan County, Ohio that changed its name to Westland MM in 1860. That adds to the confusion with Westland MM in western Pennsylvania, also a part of Ohio Yearly Meeting. I will note this information on the MMNA entry: http://www.quakermeetings.com/meeting_view?anID=TST1996L Tom Thomas C. Hill Cincinnati, OH and Charlottesville, VA Note new e-mail address: [email protected] www.QuakerMeetings.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Seth Hinshaw Sent: 03 February 2009 6:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Q-R] McGirr/Wilson/Gibbons Families of Ohio The Little Hocking Hicksite Meeting was located in Washington County, Ohio, near its west border. A lot of McGirrs are buried there. They were part of Deerfield Monthly Meeting, whose minutes are lost. They moved to the area after 1828. A few McGirrs were members of Chesterfield Monthly Meeting (Morgan Co.) and are included in EAQG vol. 4. Seth ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 1:51:14 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] McGirr/Wilson/Gibbons Families of Ohio There was a William McGirr who was a well-known minister. He was a member of Westland Monthly Meeting in Washington County, Pennsylvania. That's actually closer to Belmont County, Ohio, than is Washington County, Ohio. Tom Hamm Good evening list... > I have just joined the list. I am looking to connect to any descendants of the McGirr Wilson Gibbons/Givens families of Belmont and Washington Co Ohio. Some of these family members are in The Quaker Cemetery in Washington Co. I am new to the research of The Quaker people and am willing to learn all there is to know about these amazing people. I only found out this week that they are my people. I am excited to know more. As a descendant of these families and would like to exchange info. I look forward to a lot of connections here. > > Nancy Price Beck

The Little Hocking Hicksite Meeting was located in Washington County, Ohio, near its west border. A lot of McGirrs are buried there. They were part of Deerfield Monthly Meeting, whose minutes are lost. They moved to the area after 1828. A few McGirrs were members of Chesterfield Monthly Meeting (Morgan Co.) and are included in EAQG vol. 4. Seth ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 1:51:14 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] McGirr/Wilson/Gibbons Families of Ohio There was a William McGirr who was a well-known minister. He was a member of Westland Monthly Meeting in Washington County, Pennsylvania. That's actually closer to Belmont County, Ohio, than is Washington County, Ohio. Tom Hamm Good evening list... > I have just joined the list. I am looking to connect to any descendants > of the McGirr Wilson Gibbons/Givens families of Belmont and Washington Co > Ohio. Some of these family members are in The Quaker Cemetery in > Washington Co. I am new to the research of The Quaker people and am > willing to learn all there is to know about these amazing people. I only > found out this week that they are my people. I am excited to know more. > As a descendant of these families and would like to exchange info. > I look forward to allot of connections here. > > Nancy Price Beck > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There was a William McGirr who was a well-known minister. He was a member of Westland Monthly Meeting in Washington County, Pennsylvania. That's actually closer to Belmont County, Ohio, than is Washington County, Ohio. Tom Hamm Good evening list... > I have just joined the list. I am looking to connect to any descendants > of the McGirr Wilson Gibbons/Givens families of Belmont and Washington Co > Ohio. Some of these family members are in The Quaker Cemetery in > Washington Co. I am new to the research of The Quaker people and am > willing to learn all there is to know about these amazing people. I only > found out this week that they are my people. I am excited to know more. > As a descendant of these families and would like to exchange info. > I look forward to allot of connections here. > > Nancy Price Beck > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nancy Price Beck, I do no people genealogy, but my database of "Monthly Meetings in North America" lists 10 monthly meetings whose last meeting location was in Belmont County and two monthly meetings whose last location was in Washington County. I assume that the "Quaker Cemetery" in Washington County is connected to Plymouth MM, because the other monthly meeting is too young to have a graveyard where your ancestors would be interred. So the Plymouth MM entry is a good place to start. http://www.quakermeetings.com/meeting_view?anID=TST1486L If that does not answer all your questions, until others on the list respond as to your specific families, I suggest you continue your search with the Hinshaw entries listed in these links. http://www.quakermeetings.com/search_display?County=Belmont&StateOrProvince= OH Belmont County, Ohio http://www.quakermeetings.com/search_display?County=Washington&StateOrProvin ce=OH Washington County, Ohio I suggest you also consider checking the Hinshaw abstracts for the five monthly meetings in Morgan County, some of which had subordinate local meetings in Washington County. http://www.quakermeetings.com/search_display?County=Morgan&StateOrProvince=O H Morgan County, Ohio All the meetings in Washington and Morgan Counties started as subordinate to Belmont County meetings, so their early births, deaths and marriages would be recorded with those records and you probably will eventually need to check those abstracts as well. Tom Thomas C. Hill Cincinnati, OH and Charlottesville, VA U.S.A. Note new e-mail address: [email protected] www.QuakerMeetings.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] On Behalf Of NBeck Sent: 01 February 2009 9:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Q-R] McGirr/Wilson/Gibbons Families of Ohio Good evening list...   I have just joined the list. I am looking to connect to any descendants of the McGirr Wilson Gibbons/Givens families of Belmont and Washington Co, Ohio. Some of these family members are in The Quaker Cemetery in Washington Co. I am new to the research of The Quaker people and am willing to learn all there is to know about these amazing people. I only found out this week that they are my people. I am excited to know more.   As a descendant of these families and would like to exchange info. I look forward to a lot of connections here.   Nancy Price Beck

Good evening list...   I have just joined the list. I am looking to connect to any descendants of the McGirr Wilson Gibbons/Givens families of Belmont and Washington Co Ohio. Some of these family members are in The Quaker Cemetery in Washington Co. I am new to the research of The Quaker people and am willing to learn all there is to know about these amazing people. I only found out this week that they are my people. I am excited to know more.   As a descendant of these families and would like to exchange info. I look forward to allot of connections here.   Nancy Price Beck

Hello,? Do you?know whether Joe Moore president of Earlham College and the Moore family educators were related to this James Moore who was?the Revolutionary War patriot who settled in Preble Co., OH? I have Quaker ancestor Alexander Lackey Moore from NC who?fought in the?Revolutionary War?and?settled in Wayne County, Indiana. I have a little information about his service on my site. If these?Moores are related, maybe you will see something that will help you.?Alexander's biography has that his father Mordecai Moore also fought in the Revolution.? I've tried to find a connection to?these other Moore families, but so far I haven't had any luck.? I?attended Joseph Moore elementary school which was?named after the college president.? It would be interesting to find out whether our Moores are related.? ?????????? Here is the?link to the page about Alexander Lackey Moore?on my web site: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=shasta4737&view=0&pid=226&rand=591929807 ????? Susan ? ?????? ? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [Q-R] [Fwd: Re: Residents and Associated Families of Wrightsb // Thomas Family & MOORE]//MOORE men md. Quaker Mendenhall women -- latest ressearch update In a message dated 1/30/09 4:43:41 AM, [email protected] writes: > QRers: > > This an UPDATE concerning James Moore, Sr.? This James Moore was a > Revolutionary War Patriot in North Carolina, who later settled in Preble > County, OH.? Much has been posted to Q-R over the years about his son, > Samuel Moore md. Alice Mendenhall in NC>IN, and of his grandson, Hiram Moore > md.Elvira Mendenhall in IN.? These Mendenhall women were both Quakers; and > Elvira (Mendenhall) Moore is my G-Grandmother.? Can anyone help concerning > Quaker Records for James Moore, a Revolutionary War Patriot in North > Carolina? > > Thanks! > > Violet Moore Guy > 01/30/2008 > > > > There was a Col. James Moore who commanded the NC British governor Tryon's troops who killed many patriots, Quakers and other North Carolinians at the pre-revolutionary war conflict (by 12 years) in the battle of Alamance outside High Point, North Carolina. This war was called the Whig Tory War or The War of Regulation. I have visited this battlefield where my gggggggrand father John Allen IV's house is still standing. On the other hand, the Mendenhall's, Nerius Mendenhall and the Moores(Joe Moore etc.) at New Garden Meeting, down the road at Greensboro were outstanding educators at New Garden Academy Guilford College, first first day school for black kids etc. Joe Moore went on to be a leader in the NC Civil War reconstruction effort "The Baltimore Association" and later as President of Earlham, Indiana College. There is a ton of info on these people and their descendents (including Elton Mendenhall) who helped found and lead my Quaker College of Whittier in California. Howard W Cook ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QU [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HISTORY OF NANTUCKET by Alexander Starbuck. Page 679 Jonathan (4) Robert (3) John (2) Nathaniel (1) Iii Jonathan, b. 17th. 10th mo. 1760 I suggest that you get a hold of a copy of this book and look through the list yurself as there are other Johns and/or Jonathans. I desend from Nathanial Barnard. & Mary Bsrnard (cousin); and their daughter Mary Barnard md. John Folger. Page. 670 Violet Moore Guy _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Barnard Family of Mass. Hello, I am related to Jonathan Barnard, born Jan. 1. 1759/60 in Mass. We think in Nantucket. He moved to the Carolina's on into Tenn and later to Mercer Co. Ky. Where he died in 1835. He was a School teacher until he went blind. He was in the Rev. war in Mass. We have records of him drawing a pension. Also, after his death, his wife Obidence Barnett received his pension. We can't figure out who his mother was. We know his father was John Barnard. Do you have any information on this Jonathan or where I could find a book that might have the information. I would really appreciate anything you could send me. Thank you so much. [email protected]

In a message dated 1/30/09 4:43:41 AM, [email protected] writes: > QRers: > > This an UPDATE concerning James Moore, Sr.  This James Moore was a > Revolutionary War Patriot in North Carolina, who later settled in Preble > County, OH.  Much has been posted to Q-R over the years about his son, > Samuel Moore md. Alice Mendenhall in NC>IN, and of his grandson, Hiram Moore > md.Elvira Mendenhall in IN.  These Mendenhall women were both Quakers; and > Elvira (Mendenhall) Moore is my G-Grandmother.  Can anyone help concerning > Quaker Records for James Moore, a Revolutionary War Patriot in North > Carolina? > > Thanks! > > Violet Moore Guy > 01/30/2008 > > > > There was a Col. James Moore who commanded the NC British governor Tryon's troops who killed many patriots, Quakers and other North Carolinians at the pre-revolutionary war conflict (by 12 years) in the battle of Alamance outside High Point, North Carolina. This war was called the Whig Tory War or The War of Regulation. I have visited this battlefield where my gggggggrand father John Allen IV's house is still standing. On the other hand, the Mendenhall's, Nerius Mendenhall and the Moores(Joe Moore etc.) at New Garden Meeting, down the road at Greensboro were outstanding educators at New Garden Academy Guilford College, first first day school for black kids etc. Joe Moore went on to be a leader in the NC Civil War reconstruction effort "The Baltimore Association" and later as President of Earlham, Indiana College. There is a ton of info on these people and their descendents (including Elton Mendenhall) who helped found and lead my Quaker College of Whittier in California. Howard W Cook ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

BYU does have it- I just wrote it in wrong. I will get copies of both. I could not imagine them not having that one with such a big emphasis on family history; the regional FH library is housed at the BYU library, as well as the huge periodical room and a ton of other stuff- there is a great room that has books on every country and state that exists- great for roaming and genealogical and historical and all sorts of things all over the enormous building. Thanks, Sue

Howard- BYU has the first article you mentioned, but I don't see the second periodical in their catalogue. How can I get a copy of it? I will be going over there today as I have some books to renew and will be looking up some things- thanks, Sue

Hi Sue, From: "Sue Maxwell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: [Q-R] Swains in Nantucket- two periodicals > Howard- BYU has the first article you mentioned, but I don't see the second > periodical in their catalogue. How can I get a copy of it? I will be going > over there today as I have some books to renew and will be looking up some > things- thanks, Sue I assume you mean NEHGR. That is New England Historical and Genealogical Register. If the university doesn't have it, I bet that a Family History Center will. The older issues on the Ellis family will probably be on a set of CDROMs at the FHC if the university doesn't have the complete run of issues. Regards, Howard [email protected]

It should be "Jacob" not "Jacof". Sorry. At 12:01 AM 1/30/2009, you wrote: >. . .That would have been towards the end of Michael & Anna. Michael died >in 1741 and Anna is said to have soon after relocated to Paris for >about 20 years. However, their eldest son Johannes Rudulph > >a.k.a. "John of Darby" is another matter. The book says: > >John Rudulph married, Jan. 20, 1740, Mary Bonsall, a Friend, the > >dau. of Jacof and Martha (H00d) Bonsall of Darby Township. Mary > >Bonsall was born Aug. 13, 1719 and died Mar. 16, 1795. (MSS. > >Pedigress, Vol. 2077:5, Gen. Soc. of Phila.) . . .

QRers: This an UPDATE concerning James Moore, Sr. This James Moore was a Revolutionary War Patriot in North Carolina, who later settled in Preble County, OH. Much has been posted to Q-R over the years about his son, Samuel Moore md. Alice Mendenhall in NC>IN, and of his grandson, Hiram Moore md.Elvira Mendenhall in IN. These Mendenhall women were both Quakers; and Elvira (Mendenhall) Moore is my G-Grandmother. Can anyone help concerning Quaker Records for James Moore, a Revolutionary War Patriot in North Carolina? Thanks! Violet Moore Guy 01/30/2008 -Original Message----- From: Ted Crayne [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:23 PM To: Violet O. Guy Cc: 'marsha moses'; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Residents and Associated Families of Wrightsb // Thomas Family & MOORE] Violet, Thank you for including me in your email. I'd like to add a few things if I may. Last time I was in Greensboro and Winston-Salem, I tried to do some additional research on Moore's who might have been Quakers at some point who may have been disowned, and found none (hoping to find a marriage for James Moore to a Quaker who was disowned). The earliest records I have been able to access for our James Moore Sr. indicate he was Methodist. I still cannot either confirm nor deny our James Moore Sr. was a Quaker at some point. I have kept open the possibility his father may have been a disowned Quaker, whoever he might have been. I have gone over James Moore Sr's probated estate and find nothing which would indicate any ties to the Society of Friends. The only religious material listed included three (of four) volumes of Flavius Josephus' writings, which I do not readily relate to the Quakers. If James Moore's family were Quakers at some point, it is possible they were disowned prior to arriving in North Carolina. If anyone has access to Surry County, VA, Quaker records, I think that might be a place to begin. I do not have access to those. I also cannot discount the co-location of Seaborn Moore and other family members to our Moores in Preble County, OH, and in Indiana, but I do not find any court documentation on either side which indicates a familial relationship. I have gone over the Richard Moore line time and time again and, still, no one fits as a parent or sibling to James Moore Sr. Hypothetically speaking, based on early English name usage, I projected James' father to be John and his mother to be either a Mary or Martha. We do know that at some point, James Moore Sr. was in North Carolina due to the birth of sons John and Samuel and presumably daughters Mary and Martha. Other than that, I have only one reference stating "James Moore of North Carolina". Was James Moore born in NC? That is a question I cannot answer. I am beginning to believe he was born possibly in Virginia of parents who migrated down the Great Philadelphia Wagon Road from Pennsylvania. Additionally, I now believe James Moore Sr. was married three times. His first marriage producing children: Mary, Martha, John, Samuel, James Jr. and William. His second marriage, probably in Tennessee producing children: Thompson, Jesse, Anderson, Alfred and Wiley. His third marriage is the only one which can be supported by documentation to Mary Thompson in Butler County, OH, in 1814. This is clearly the Mary Moore referenced in all the land and court documents in Preble County. The supposition there was a second wife married in Tennessee is due mostly in part to the eight year span between the births of William and Thompson. Although still hypothetical, I believe his second wife's maiden name was Thompson and his third wife was in some way related (sister, sister-in-law, aunt of his second wife), and the marriage to Mary Thompson guaranteed the inheritance rights for the children, Thompson, Jesse, Anderson, Alfred, and Wiley. Ted Crayne

At 02:31 PM 1/29/2009, [email protected] wrote: >Robert Burns, > >On 1/25/2009 your e-mail contained the query as to whether your >French-speaking ancestors Michael Johannes Rudulph an his wife Anna >(princess, ward, and half-niece of the father of Frederic the Great) >from Prussia were members of Friends. They settled early near >Wilmington, Delaware on Christiana Creek, now New Castle, DE, >included in Christiana Hundred. > >I cannot find any trace of this couple in the records which I have >at hand. I am not well acquainted with Prussian history. I believe >that Frederick William I, father of Frederick the Greet, flourished >ca. 1700-1740. I believe that Frederick the Great relished the >French culture, although his father evidently did not. Yes, and my recollection (probably from The Rudulph Family book) is that father hated son's spelling "Frederic". I understand that Michael & Anna spoke French in the Scotch-Irish enclave. > I have no genealogy at hand to show the particular relationship of > Frederic the Great with the princess Anna. > >Christiana Hundred is in northern New Castle County, DE, along the >circular border with Pennsylvania. It includes the present town of >Centerville. Some of Christiana Hundred is very hilly, with the >lower Brandywine Creek, a tumultuous stream, rushing across it on >the way to Wilmington. In early Colonial times, I believe that >there were flour mills along its banks. After 1800 the Du Pont >ammunition works were established there and the Gilpin family had a paper mill. > >The first Quaker settlers settled in Christiana Hundred ca. >1686. Within a very few years they had established Centre Meeting >and had built a meetinghouse. The present meetinghouse, built about >1794, is about a mile southeast of Centerville. The first settlers, >including George Harlan and William Gregg, tended to come from >Ireland, being of English or Scottish heritage. Centre Meeting was a >Preparative Meeting of Newark Monthly Meeting, which was established >ca. 1686 and for its early history consisted of Newark Meeting in >Brandywine Hundred, New Castle Meeting at New Castle, Centre Meeting >in Christiana Hundred, and Kennett Meeting, established ca. 1700, >across the Delaware/Pennsylvania border in present-day Kennett >Township, Chester County, PA. Wilmington Preparative Meeting was >established by Newark Monthly Meeting in 1638 and was set off, along >with New Castle Preparative Meeting, as Wilmington Monthly Meeting in 1750. > >W hen I set about to abstract records of Wilmington MM and its >anticedent Meetings, I did not abstract many of the records of >Newark MM after 1738. I seem to have no Rudulph names in my >abstracted work. In my Wilmington MM records for 1738 to 1827, I >have only recorded a Mary Rudolph who was received as a member of >Wilmington MM from Darby MM, PA, on 12mo. 13, 1797. She was granted >a certificate from Wilmington MM to Philadelphia MM, Southern >District, on 8 mo. 6, 1801. That would have been towards the end of Michael & Anna. Michael died in 1741 and Anna is said to have soon after relocated to Paris for about 20 years. However, their eldest son Johannes Rudulph >a.k.a. "John of Darby" is another matter. The book says: >John Rudulph married, Jan. 20, 1740, Mary Bonsall, a Friend, the >dau. of Jacof and Martha (H00d) Bonsall of Darby Township. Mary >Bonsall was born Aug. 13, 1719 and died Mar. 16, 1795. (MSS. >Pedigress, Vol. 2077:5, Gen. Soc. of Phila.) > >[]John Rudulph died Dec. 10, 1768, intestate. Letters of >Administration were granted, Dec. 26, 1768, to his widow, Mary >(Bonsall) Rudulph, and to Jesse Bonsall of Darby Twp. (Adm. Book B, >page 203, Chester Co., Penna.) Jacob Hiltzheimer, of Phila., states >in his Diary that on Dec. 12, 1768, ["]Went to Darby to funeral of >John Rudulph. Israel Morris, Samuel Nichols, Joseph Jones and >myself carried the corpse to the Friends Ground[']. (Penna. Mag., >Vol. 16, page 94) After the death of John Rudulph, his widow, Mary >B. Rudulph, continued to operate Ble Ball Tavern. > >[]The final distribution of the estate of John Rudulph was made on >Sept. 20, 1774, his widow Mary receiving 1/3; 1/3 to his son Joseph >and 1/3 to be divided between his other four children: Jacob, Ann, >John, and Hannah. > >[]Note: The ame appears more often as Rudulph than Rudolph in >CHester County records. The descendants of John Rudulph, however, >were the first to accept the Rudolph spelling. I also see that Jacob Rudulph, son of Michael & Anna: >m. second, ca. 1769, Mrs. Frances (Jacob) Broom, daughter of Thomas >Jacob by his second wife Mrs. Anne (Land) Mankin, members of >Nottingham Monthly Meeting, Cecil County, Md. Thomas Jacob married >Mrs. Anne (Land) Mankin, dau. of Francis and Christina (Hill) Land, >at Newark Monthly Meeting 9 Mo., 1733. (Mottingham Monthly Meeting >Records, Vol. 1, page 48) And, I see that Frances "was a younger sister of Susan Jacob who had married Tobias Rudulph." Tobias was another son of Michael & Anna. There's more in the book. So, it seems that either the Rudulph sons were Quakers by upbringing or by marriage. >The town of Wilmington, first laid out as "Willingtown", in 1728, >did not really take off as a thriving port city until the first >Quakers arrived on the scene in 1735-1736. > >The early Society of Friends was primarily an Anglo-Saxon >phenomenon. In the later 1600's there was a campaign to convert >Mennonites and other like minded residents of the Netherlands and >the nearby German Palatinate to Quakerism, but it was not very >successful. I don't believe there was much Quaker missionary >activity in Prussia. A few German Quaker familjies immigrated to >Germantown near Philadelphia from the Palatinate. > >I do not think there was much Quaker missionary activity in the late >1600's in France. However, in the years following 1600, a number of >French Protestants (Huguenots) were forced to flee from France to >England, and it seems a number of these exiled Huguenots joined the >Quaker movement in the years following 1652. Perhaps your Rudulph >ancestors were among these Huguenots. > >I have scanned your contributions to the Quaker-Roots web site over >the past few years in order to try to comprehend what your wider >quest might be. There seems to be some reference to the Mankin >family. In early Delaware the Swedes organized a Swedish Lutheran >church on the Delaware River called Holy Trinity, commonly called >"Old Swedes". A 1699 church building of "Old Swedes" is still >maintained today within ht Wilmington city limits.. When the Dutch >took control of Delaware, I suppose Old Swedes became a Dutch >Reformed Church, and when the English gained control ca. 1665, Old >Swedes became an Anglican church. The pastors at Old Swedes, in >Colonial times, liked to believe that they were presiding over the >established church of the Colony. They particularly liked to lord >it over the dissident Quakers, who had little regard for them. In >1707 a local citizen named Richard Mankin died, and the resident >priest at Old Swedes took charge of the burial. However, two >Quakers, George Robinson and Cornelius Empson, showed up at Old >Swedes and contested the right of the priest to be in charge of this >particular burial.. Probably George Robinson was in some way >related to Richard Mankin. George Robinson had come from northern >Ireland and had married Catherine Hollingwsorth, daughter of >Valentine Hollingsworth in 1688 after the Hollingsworth family had >put him on probation for a year or two to see whether he was worthy >to marry Catherine. Cornelius Empson, something of an entrepreneur, >had come to Delaware from Yorkshire in England. > >You mention some kind of relationship of the Rudulph family to the >Warner family. Members of the Warner family had been members of >Wilmington Meeting from as early as 1738. Joseph Warner, a >silversmith, died in 1800 > >Some researchers of the Rudulph family seem to mention the Large, >Dungan, and Latham families. I happen to be a descendant of these >families as well as of the Hollingsworths. The Large and Dungan >families to whom I am related settled in Bucks County, PA. I do not recall the Large, Dungan, and Latham families beyond a dear friend Robert Latham of San Diego County who died a number of years ago of throat cancer. I have been quite impressed with the Hollingsworths, though, coming across them in my research of my Murray ancestry. My primary interest continues to be my ancestor John Murray, and my mother's primary interest is Princess Anna Rudulph. John Murray's daughter Abigail married Zebulon Rudulph, a descendant of Michael & Anna. There are several generations of intermarriage and business between the Murrays, Rudulphs, Syngs, and Hollingsworths. We can address that in greater detail. In great frustration, I have yet to ascertain John Murray's parents or many other aspects of his life before he married Elizabeth Syng in Philadelphia in 1772. >I'm afraid that I cannot help you very much in your quest for your >Rudulph ancestors. Thanks. You did help me to realize the documented relationship of the Rudulphs and the Friends. > > ----- Herbert Standing, Earlham, Iowa. > >---------- > From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay > up-to-date with the <http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023>latest news. Robert Burns 4877 Voltaire Street P.O.B. 7263 Ocean Beach (San Diego), CA U.S.A. 92167 (619) 223-0441 (voice) (847) 557-1220 (e-Fax) If you do not have eFax Messenger or an eFax Microviewer installed on your PC, download a free copy at http://www.efax.com/en/efax/twa/page/download E-Mail: <[email protected]> TM URL: http://www.OBLaw.com TM http://www.RobertBurns.biz

Ryan Jackson, THE JENNINGS QUESTION -- The records of both branches of Miami Monthly Meeting and its daughter Springboro Monthly Meeting (A) are stored at the Wilmington College Quaker Collection in Wilmington, Ohio; (B) have been abstracted in Volume V of Hinshaw's Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy; and (C) have been microfilmed by the Mormons and made available through any Family History Center [at most LDS churches]. My Monthly Meetings in North America entries list the records still existing and the LDS microfilm reel numbers: http://www.quakermeetings.com/meeting_view?anID=TST100L Miami MM, Hicksite/FGC branch http://www.quakermeetings.com/meeting_view?anID=TST103L Miami MM, Orthodox/FUM branch http://www.quakermeetings.com/meeting_view?anID=TST1771L Springboro MM, Hicksite/FGC branch http://www.quakermeetings.com/meeting_view?anID=TST1772L Springboro MM, Orthodox branch Springboro MM (Orthodox) had a Sugar Creek Preparative Meeting at Centerville. In fact Job Jennings was one of the Trustees of Sugar Creek PM, as shown in this excerpt from my Wilmington Yearly Meeting Deed List: 87. MEETING: Sugar Creek Preparative SUPERIOR MEETINGS: Miami M.M. until 1824/08/14 Springboro M.M. after 1824/08/14 Miami Q.M. ESTABLISHED: Indulged 1816/12/25 Worship & Preparative 1822/11/09 LAID DOWN: (No M.M. there after 1836/05/14) Preparative 1841/11/13 Worship 1850/05/11 LOCATION: Clyo Road Parcel No. 067-38-8-25 Centerville 45458 Washington Twp., Sec. 24, Twp. 3, Rge. 5 (between the Miami Rivers) Montgomery Cty., Ohio DEEDS, etc.: 1./Solomon & Ruth Miller to Joseph Horner, Goldsmith Chandler & Amos Kenworthy, Trustees for the Meeting of Sugar Creek of the Society of Friends; 1823/06/19; D.B. I, pp. 302-303. 2./Joseph Horner & Amos Kenworthy, Trustees, to Charles Stroud, Micajah Butler & Job Jennings, Trustees of the Meeting of Sugar Creek of the Society of Friends; 1844/12/18; D.B. I 2, pp. 617-618. 3./Charles Stroud & Job Jennings, surviving trustees, on behalf of Springborough Meeting of the Society of Friends, joined by Solomon & Ruth Miller as original grantors, to William White [reserving the burying ground and a right of way]; 1858/11/28; D.B. L 3, pp. 103-105. 4./[FBG] Oscar H. P. & Maurine York Snyder to Ross H. Seasly, Jr.; 1969/07/02; D.B. 2471, p. 416. 5./Survey by Charles P. Burkhart, Reg. Surveyor; 1978/11/28. 6./[FBG] Ross H. Seasly, Jr. & Marjorie A. Seasly to Trustees of Washington Township; 1979/01/26; D.B. 79-108E01. 7./[FBG] Lawrence E. Barker, Donald L. Haines, Thomas C. Hill, Charles J. Morgan, Sharon A. Trivett & Carl M. West, Trustees of Wilmington Yearly Meeting, and Wilmington Yearly Meeting Fiduciary Corporation to the Trustees of Washington Township; 1989/12/12 & 1990/01/02; D.B. 90-0081 B07-C02. NOTES: (a) "FBG" refers to a Friends Burying Ground. (b) If the Fiduciary Corporation Trustees have obtained the original or a copy of a deed, this report has underlined the deed number. If the Yearly Meeting now holds a copy of the instrument in its archives at Wilmington College, we placed a slash behind the underlined number. To find his wife and children, I would check the Springboro MM records under "Jennings". To find his request to transfer in 1816, I would review the Haddonfield MM minutes, which have probably been microfilmed by the Mormons. But then I do no personal genealogy research. THE THOMAS JACKSON ISSUE -- Haddonfield had a Great Egg Harbor preparative meeting in Atlantic County, NU that later became a monthly meeting on its own. http://www.quakermeetings.com/meeting_view?anID=TST654L There was later an [Orthodox] Little Egg Harbor Monthly Meeting in Ocean County, NJ. http://www.quakermeetings.com/meeting_view?anID=TST1056L Maybe the confusing names complicate your Thomas Jackson searches. Tom Thomas C. Hill Cincinnati, OH 45202 U.S.A. and Charlottesville, VA Note new e-mail address: [email protected] www.QuakerMeetings.com __________________________ From: Ryan Jackson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 28 January 2009 1:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Job Jennings from Haddonfield, NJ to Miami Monthly Meeting Dear Tom Hill, My name is Ryan Jackson and I have been working on my family with my dad for 12+ years and am stuck on Thomas Jackson of Great Egg Harbor Twp., Gloucester Co., NJ. I do not know who his parents or siblings were. He married Mary Ann Cheesman daughter of Peter Cheesman and Ann Ellis. Anyway, Thomas and Mary Ann had the following children: 1) Joseph (my line) married Nancy Morris in 1803. 2) Elizabeth who married Job Jennings, not sure the date. He was the son of Jacob M. Jennings and Ann Albertson. Job was born in the Haddonfield MM. 3) Mary Ann who married Robert Miskelly, Jr. also in 1803. 4) Seward who married Elizabeth Roberts in Ohio. Thomas died in 1796 and the rest of the family stayed in NJ until 1816 when they all moved to Ohio. Which leads me into my questions. In Hinshaw, Job issued a letter of intent to move from the Haddonfield MM to the Miami MM in Ohio in 1816. He actually became a member of the Springboro MM (a subordinate of the Miami). I was wondering how I could obtain a copy of his letter of intent and his acceptance into the Miami MM. Job lived in the Centerville area of Ohio and died in 1863 as an Elder of the Springboro MM. Does this mean that his wife would have been a member also. I have not been able to find anything about her other than that she died in 1856. Job was buried in Rehoboth Cemetery which was a Methodist Church and Cemetery. How could he have been an Elder if his wife was a Methodist? Also, would there children have been born Quaker? I have been able to find marriages of some of their children from the LDS, but not all of them and am wondering if this is because they were Quaker. Any help that you could provide concerning this family would be greatly appreciated. Ryan Jackson

My  message that was posted in  QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 32 on January 26 was a bit garbled in the transmission and thus a little hard to follow. This was a message about the descendants of Widow Damaris Shattuck. If you want a better copy, let me know and I will send it directly to you James Read (Jim) Barbee   ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:38:55 PM Subject: QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 32 Today's Topics:   1. Davidson/Davison and Sidwells (Terry Menck)   2.  RE: FW: [Hope CLIFTON, Christopher HOLDER] plus COPELAND,       HODGSON, BORDEN, BRADFORD, SCOTT, SHOTTEN, SLOCUM (S. Newton)   3. Isaac Page, Damaris Shattuck, Widow Shattuck (James Barbee)

Oh, Howard- I have access to those books at my library and have looked at them. I know that the immediate family traces back to the William C. Folger Collection, which I have read on microfilm. But now that I know I am related, I will look and see which collections the others relate to. # 20- That is good to know- thankyou. Lydia Ellis is the daughter of Elisha and Christian Long Ellis, but I havn't looked them up yet to find their parents. It will take me time to put all of this info in my computer, and figure out how everyone is related. The direct line goes Shubael, Ebenezer and Lydia Ellis Swain, Ebenezer and Lydia Gyles Swain, Joseph and Mary Sibley Swain, Richard Swain and Mary Weare(Wyer)Swain, and son John who moves to Nantucket. Can't wait to read the other articles- that is really great news- thanks bunches and bunches. Sue

Hi Sue, If you look in the book Violet mentioned,=20 Vital Records of Nantucker, Massachussetts to the Year 1850, you will see that many of the births and marriages have listed as a source "C.R. 4" The list of abbreviations at the front shows that this means Church Records of the Society of Friends. It seems to me that if a birth date has this record as a source,=20 that one could conclude (or at least assume) that the parents were Quakers. Ditto for marriage record for the people involved. These books are available many places: online for a fee, online free, online thru your local library, on CD, as books for sale or at your library; LDS microfilm. Once you get access to them -- whichever way you prefer -- you should be able to start with your known Ebenzer Swain=20 and Lydia Ellis and trace quite far back all lines (at least as long as they stay on Nantucket). In doing that you can note which ones have the Quaker connection as noted above. I don't know about your Swain line, but mine has several that were Quakers as well as the Husseys and Arthurs and probably others. You may be interested to know that the origin of Richard Swain has recently been found. It is shown by Clifford L. Stott in "The English Origin of Richard^1 Swaine of Hampton, New Hampshire, and Nantucket" in The American Genealogist, vol 74, no. 4 (Oct 1999), pp. 241 - 249. (He traces back 3 more generations and corrects many errors of earlier writers.) Even more recently, one missing will has now been found (of Richard's father). It is in an article by Leslie Mahler, "Various English Wills Relating to New England Colonists: Gillett, Swaine, Cheney, and Tutty -Knight-Whitman" in NEHGR vol 162, no. 2, (Apr 2008), pp. 113-117, at p. 115. I took a very quick look and could be wrong, but I think your Ellis line comes from Lt. John Ellis and Elizabeth Freeman. There is an = excellent article on them and their descendants by Lydia B. (Phinney) Browning and Maclean W. McLean: "Lt. John^1 and Elizabeth (Freeman) Ellis of Sandwich, Mass. in starting in NEHGR vol 119, no 3 (July 1965), on p. 161. This article is continued in several more issues. Regards, Howard [email protected] From: "Sue Maxwell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [Q-R] The Swains in Nantucket > In trying to learn more about the Swains involvement with Quakerism in > Nantucket, I was only able to read quickly, while at the workshop last week. > One book, on a microfilm, gave me the idea that they were not highly > involved. Since the book, Swains of Nantucket, Tales and Trails, now has , > for me, a huge history of my line and cousins, and I don't yet know how > everyone is related, I noticed some that were involved, in this book I > browsed, and some that were not. I also found a two volume book that > includes Shubael Swain's grandparents, Ebenezer Swain and Lydia Gyles, but > not his parents, Ebenzer Swain and Lydia Ellis. Does anyone have any > research on the Swain involvement with the Society. It is going to take me > time to figure all of this out as well as catch up on all of your > conversations since I left. I have them in an email folder, and I am now > learning about Nantucket and want to know more about the Society of Friends. > I don't think my grandfather was a member, as his daughter, in NYC, married > Isaac Leggett, twin brother of Abraham Leggett, in a Methodist Church. > Abraham but not Isaac is listed in Henshaws Encyclopedia. > > > Why did Henshaw not include Mass in his enormous collection- that was very > disappointing- Sue Maxwell

And don't forget the Nantucket Historical Society's Library has wonderful "stuff" on-line at http://www.nha.org/library/index.htm > > "Vital Records of Nantucker, Massachussetts to the Year 1850" are > available. > They were originally published in about 1927 by the New England > Genealogical > Society, Boston, MA. > > I have one of the old discarded coipies, which we were able to obtain > through a bookseller on the Internet. We were researching in > Nantucket & > area and needed one pronto for cheepo! My son has the complete set, > which > he purchased, probably on that same trip to Nantucket & Martha's > Vineyard, > etc. > > > Violet Moore Guy > 01/27/2009 > >

There has been much discussion on this list about the Swains and the Shattucks. I want to suggest 3 books as good references for those names as well as the other Nantucket families. "The Early Settlers of Nantucket 1659-1850" compiled by Lydia S. Hinchman, Tuttle publisher; "Nantucket Genealogies" by Alexander Starbuck, Clearfield Publisher; "Nantucket Lands and Land Owners" by Henry Barnard Worth, Nantucket Historical Association. Mary LeMay