Thanks, Tom > > 1. Re: Records of Newberry Meeting SC (Tom Hill for MMNA) > > > > Merry Anne Pierson, > > The meetings in Newberry County were part of Bush River Monthly > Meeting. Some records do survive referred to on my website as Records Known > Extant: > https://www.quakermeetings.com/Plone/meeting_view?anID=2035 > > The Hinshaw entry for Bush River MM at Volume I, page 1034 refers only to > Sarah Longshore and children Sarah and Evelide received in 1801. > > Tom Hill > > Thomas C. Hill > Charlottesville, VA 22901-6355 U.S.A. > www.QuakerMeetings.com > E-mail: MonthlyMeetings@gmail.com >

Merry Anne Pierson, The meetings in Newberry County were part of Bush River Monthly Meeting. Some records do survive referred to on my website as Records Known Extant: https://www.quakermeetings.com/Plone/meeting_view?anID=2035 The Hinshaw entry for Bush River MM at Volume I, page 1034 refers only to Sarah Longshore and children Sarah and Evelide received in 1801. Tom Hill Thomas C. Hill Charlottesville, VA 22901-6355 U.S.A. www.QuakerMeetings.com E-mail: MonthlyMeetings@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: quaker-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Merry Anne/Pierson Sent: Saturday, 28 January, 2012 2:59 PM Subject: [Q-R] Records of Newberry Meeting SC I'm looking for mentions of Euclydus Longshore and his children from the Newberry Area Monthly meeting. Particularly Euclydus who died in 1814 and his wife Sarah and their son Euclydus born 1792. Appreciate any help finding these records. Merry Anne Pierson

I'm looking for mentions of Euclydus Longshore and his children from the Newberry Area Monthly meeting. Particularly Euclydus who died in 1814 and his wife Sarah and their son Euclydus born 1792. Appreciate any help finding these records. Merry Anne Pierson

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Thanks to Warren County Genealogical Society volunteer, Glenna Porter, photos of all extant gravestones at the Springboro Orthodox Quaker Cemetery are now on line at http://goo.gl/aJZd4 Most of the stones were very worn and difficult to read. If you have any older photos for burials in this cemetery, please consider adding them to this project. With this addition, the Warren County Virtual Cemetery Project has photos on line for 41,769 burials in 90 different cemeteries. Regards, Arne Trelvik for the Warren County Genealogical Society

I agree that Benjamin E son of Joseph the Surveyor is most likely to be the wealthy & successful Benjamin of Asheboro. I think he was also a JP. However, there are a couple other Benjamins associated with this family: one is a red herring because he stayed in PA the brother of Abr Sr & Jacob Sr but the other is their nephew Benjamin, son of another brother John. John's Randolph Co., NC, Will (WB 2, p.20) made 3-6-1796. *Mentioned in his will. John's children were: (4) *Obadiah Executor of John's Will. (4) *Benjamin . (4) *Joseph (4) *Isaac (4) *Jacob Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: marsha moses <marshamoses@me.com> To: Quaker-Roots@rootsweb.com Cc: elliott@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:59:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Benjamin Elliott of Randolph county, NC I am reading information that I copied at the Rowan County Library. Benjamin Elliott is described as a highly respected citizen, attorney, and operator of a general merchandise store in Asheboro. In the mid 1820's he purchased a tract on Deep River and established with partners a Mill. Later with his son and others in partnership it becme a quite large cotton mill. The most likely man who shows up in my data base to be this Benjamin Elliott is the grandson of Abraham Elliott (married to Priscilla and Sarah Pike Piggott) through Abraham's son Joseph married to Sarah Piggot. As I recall Yvonne Bowers descends from this last couple. 2 Mar 1785 Abraham Elliot....for the love and good will I bear to my son Joseph and for the consideration of the sum of eight pounds ten shillings....land in Randolph County on the waters of Polecat Creek on the south side of the Trading Road....on Alexanders line and Jacob Elliot’s line...being part of a tract conveyed to Abraham Elliot by deed from Nathaniel Reed....(100acres) signed by Abraham and Sarah Elliott....wit by Obadiah Elliot and Michael Sharp. Can anyone prove or disprove that this Benjamin Elliott is the same man described as being merchant in Asheboro and developer of the mill? This may also have been the same Benjamin Elliott who is mentioned in the story of Omie Wise. Any thoughts on this? Marsha Moses

I am reading information that I copied at the Rowan County Library. Benjamin Elliott is described as a highly respected citizen, attorney, and operator of a general merchandise store in Asheboro. In the mid 1820's he purchased a tract on Deep River and established with partners a Mill. Later with his son and others in partnership it becme a quite large cotton mill. The most likely man who shows up in my data base to be this Benjamin Elliott is the grandson of Abraham Elliott (married to Priscilla and Sarah Pike Piggott) through Abraham's son Joseph married to Sarah Piggot. As I recall Yvonne Bowers descends from this last couple. 2 Mar 1785 Abraham Elliot....for the love and good will I bear to my son Joseph and for the consideration of the sum of eight pounds ten shillings....land in Randolph County on the waters of Polecat Creek on the south side of the Trading Road....on Alexanders line and Jacob Elliot’s line...being part of a tract conveyed to Abraham Elliot by deed from Nathaniel Reed....(100acres) signed by Abraham and Sarah Elliott....wit by Obadiah Elliot and Michael Sharp. Can anyone prove or disprove that this Benjamin Elliott is the same man described as being merchant in Asheboro and developer of the mill? This may also have been the same Benjamin Elliott who is mentioned in the story of Omie Wise. Any thoughts on this? Marsha Moses

Hello   I have a Neel/Neal line from County Down, Ireland.  I don't know if they were Quakers but have wondered.  I can go back to George B. Neel born 1725 County Down, Ireland.  They were in Georgia by 1758, which is where my 5th great grandfather was born.  Thanks Terry ________________________________ From: "quaker-roots-request@rootsweb.com" <quaker-roots-request@rootsweb.com> To: quaker-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:00 AM Subject: QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 20 Today's Topics:   1. Meeting in Cavan in 1656 (Bob Neal) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:17:21 -0600 From: Bob Neal <RHNeal@comcast.net> Subject: [Q-R] Meeting in Cavan in 1656 To: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <F72920F1-9C67-47F7-84C0-4B2FCC339495@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii My sixth great-grandfather William Neill is mentioned in a family history. However I not been able to find out any more information about him. Here's the quote from William Jolliff's book : Historical, Genealogical and Biographical Account of the Joliff Family of Virginia: Also sketches of the Neill's, Janney's, Hollingsworth's and other cognate families "The first Friends' Meeting organized in Ireland was held at William Edmundson's house in Lurgan, in the year 1654. This William Edmundson was a native of Westmoreland, England, and had been a captain in Cromwell's army, by whom he was settled in Ireland on dispossessed lands. Another meeting was begun at Cavan in 1655, and to this meeting a William O'Neill joined himself in 1656. Dropping the " O" from his name, he ever afterwards wrote himself as " William Neill." Sewell speaks of him as William Neill." I've also look thru Sewell's book online but not found this supposed reference.  Anyone have information on the Cavan meetings? Bob Neal ------------------------------ To contact the QUAKER-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the QUAKER-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 20 *******************************************

A Standard History of Oklahoma - Volume IV By Joseph Bradfield Thoburn Printed by the American History Society - 1916 Fred R. Linton. From the turbulent scenes of the Kansas City Board of Trade, where with other men he experienced the financial reverses and alternately the pleasures of wealth, Mr. Linton came six years ago and established himself in the then unassuming but prosperous City of Chickasha. At that time he had not yet recovered from his previous reverses, and was $10,000 in debt. He determined to apply to the grain business in Oklahoma the same industry and tact which he had employed in his business career at Kansas City. The success he has made in Chickasha is beat attested by the books of the Linton Grain Company, of which he is proprietor, and which show that he handled more than $1,000,000 worth of wheat in the first two months of 1915 and that the business of a day during that period ran from $23,000 to $94,000. His is principally export business, and he buys wheat in carload lots from all over Oklahoma and Kansas. In order to serve the local trade he conducts a $20,000 modern elevator plant in Chickasha. Fred R. Linton was born in Washington County, Illinois, in 1866, a son of Benjamin and Susan A. (Death) Linton. His father, a native of Wilmington, Ohio, was a general merchant and lumber and grain dealer, and died in 1881. The grandfather, Nathan Linton, was the first settler in Clinton County, Ohio, where he surveyed and platted the county and built the first brick house, and lived to the venerable age of ninety years. A history has been written of the Linton family in America, showing its first ancestors to have located in Pennsylvania as Quaker settlers prior to the Revolutionary war. Reunions of the family are held annually in Philadelphia. Mr. Linton received his primary education in the public schools of Illinois. An endowment of unusual energy and enterprise sent him into the field of business when still a boy. At the age of fifteen he was a marker in the Board of Trade of Kansas City, with an ambition eventually to become a member of that organization. This ambition was realized at the age of nineteen, when he was the youngest man to hold a seat in the board. The year he was twenty-one brought his first important success, when he netted $40,000 from his operations. The following year this fortune was lost, and for a few years his career was filled with successes and adversity, leading up to the disastrous flood of 1903, when practically all his holdings were washed away. It required several years to re-establish himself, and some of his obligations were not paid until after he came to Oklahoma in 1909. For a year before locating in Chickasha Mr. Linton was engaged in the banking business at Montrose, Missouri. In Chickasha he is well located with reference to the grain belt and railroad facilities, and his business has grown to enormous proportions. The knowledge he acquired on the board of trade has been applicable here and the business probably leads all others of its kind in towns of this size in the West. Mr. Linton is also one of the thirty stockholders in the American Coal Refining Company of Denver, Colorado, which is operated with a capitalization of $300,000. This company controls new processes by which ingredients are taken from coal and manufactured into products which have a great demand in various commercial industries and from which large profits are realized. Mr. Linton was married at Parkersburg, West Virginia, in 1887, to Miss Sue E. Rathbone, daughter of Col. W. P. Rathbone, a distinguished West Virginian. Mrs. Linton died after becoming the mother of four children, all of whom are also deceased. The oldest child, a boy of twenty-one, died in a field near Chickasha in 1913 while learning the occupation of farmer. In June, 1909, Mr. Linton married Miss Sadie C. Tully of Kansas City. W. H. Miller, late secretary of the Kansas City Board of Trade, married a sister of Mr. Linton, and she is still a resident of Kansas City. Mr. Linton is a member of the Oklahoma Grain Dealers’ Association and the Grady County Farm Bureau and Chickasha Chamber of Commerce. He is essentially a home man and has little to do with clubs and lodges. At Fifteenth Street and Minnesota Avenue in Chickasha he has built a $14,000 home of Oklahoma granite and stucco. The structure is one of the finest in the city, and thoroughly modern. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

My sixth great-grandfather William Neill is mentioned in a family history. However I not been able to find out any more information about him. Here's the quote from William Jolliff's book : Historical, Genealogical and Biographical Account of the Joliff Family of Virginia: Also sketches of the Neill's, Janney's, Hollingsworth's and other cognate families "The first Friends' Meeting organized in Ireland was held at William Edmundson's house in Lurgan, in the year 1654. This William Edmundson was a native of Westmoreland, England, and had been a captain in Cromwell's army, by whom he was settled in Ireland on dispossessed lands. Another meeting was begun at Cavan in 1655, and to this meeting a William O'Neill joined himself in 1656. Dropping the " O" from his name, he ever afterwards wrote himself as " William Neill." Sewell speaks of him as William Neill." I've also look thru Sewell's book online but not found this supposed reference. Anyone have information on the Cavan meetings? Bob Neal

My 4-greats grandmother, Margaret Elliott, or Sarah Margaret Elliott was born in 1765, but we don't know where. In Hinshaw's Encyclopedia of American Genealogy Volume 1 on page 305, it reads that: "ELLIOTT 1776,12,15. Margaret roc" (Received on certificate) It doesn't say where from. On page 306 it reads: "ELLIOTT 1781, 4,10. Margaret rpm Abraham Peacock" (rpm + reported married to) Also on the page 305 it shows a Rhoda Elliott 1780,8,12. prc of unity (produced a certificate) to Contentnea Monthly Meeting. Then on page 306 1781, 2,10. Rhoda get (granted certificate to) Center Monthly Meeting. I've a hunch that perhaps the Elliotts I am looking for were a part of Center Monthly Meeting at some time. This is because of Rhoda Elliott, and the fact that Abraham Peacock and Margaret Elliott Peacock moved to Randolph County, North Carolina near to the time that Rhonda went to Center MM. Center MM is either in northern Randolph County or Southern Guilford County. Or, perhaps Margaret Elliott came down to Contentnea Monthly Meeting from one of the Meetings in Northern North Carolina etc. Any helps of thoughts on that - - - or other possibilities? Looking for the parents of Margaret Elliott or also known as Sarah Margaret Elliott. Jim

The first article that I am reading today is an article on Fruit Hill Quaker Meeting. The article is by Tony Lowe. It appeared in the Carroll County Chronicles VOL 23, No4, Dugspur Vol 2. This is the journal of the Carroll County Historical Society. I do not think that any of the information found in this article is anything that you could not find or would not already have from other sources. However Mr. Lowe has compiled a great deal of information about the families in a particular community including information about where they came from and places that they moved after their residence in the area that would now be in Carroll County. Mr. Lowe seems to think that Quakers may have been meeting at Fruit Hill as early as 1797. So it is unlikely that my Elliott family ever had any involvement as I believe that they had moved back to Randolph County by that date. Mr. Lowe says that all of the congregations in Carroll and Grayson were a part of the same MM so records were recorded in the minutes of Mount Pleasant MM. A few entries in the minutes identify people as belonging to the Fruit Hill group. However, the author has made the assumption that the Quakers who lived on or near Burks Fork belonged to Fruit Hill. I googled Burks Fork: http://virginia.hometownlocator.com/maps/feature-map,ftc,1,fid,1464117,n,burks%20fork.cfm to find that the area that we are talking about is near Hillsville, VA....just southeast ..... The families that seem to have been there using that criteria and according to Mr. Lowe are: Beales (owned land on Pine Creek), Stanley (Zachariah Stanley bought land on Burks Fork in 1792), Robinson (Nicholas and John Robinson, Jr. were among the original trustees of the Fruit Hill meeting property), Williams (Richard son of George. Richard was married to Prudence Beales), Jessop (Thomas Jessop, Jr. had 400 acres on Burk's Fork--three other siblings also had ties to Fruit Hill according to Mr. Lowe), Greene (Isaac Greene acquired a tract of land that covered a good portion of wht is now Hillsville), Hoggart (Samuel's son David married Dorcas Williams--the daughter of Richard and Prudence Beales Williams and acquired land from his uncle Zachariah Stanley on Burks Fork), Hiatt (Absolem Hiat--son of John Hiatt and Rachel Wilson--married Anne Reece and the couple lived on land that her father, David Reece had acquired from Zachariah Stnley....also son Absolem, John, lived on Burks Fork....perhaps also some grandchildren), Reece (David married to Elizabeth Babb--moved to Grayson County before 1805 when they owned land on Big reed Island Creek), Bell (brothers Moore and Nathan owned land on Burks Fork), Coffin (Libni married to Elizabeth Macy, and William married to Hannah Iddings---on land he acquired from Zachariah Stanley on Burks Fork), Pearson (MarkPearson married to Elizabeth Lamb purchased land from Zachariah Stanley), Thomas (William Thomas son of Joseph and Sarah married Mary Bond was disowned from Fruit Hill i 1801), Morris (Thomas Morris, son of Zachariah and his son Aaron were granted certificates to Fruit Hill from Westfield i 1798), Horton ...I am not clear on Horton connection, Jones (Isaac Jones purchased a tract of land on Grassy Creek in 1792) There is one more family mentioned in the article: Bedsaul....however, the author says that Elisha and John Bedsaul both appear on Flower Swift's miltia list ....I think that I am interpreting this correctly....and according to my understanding as I begin studying this area that would place them in the Chestnut Creek area rather than the Burks Fork area. This is a very interesting article. Perhaps someone could contact that Carroll County Historical Society to see if copies of the Chronicles or copies of this article are available through them. I could not find a phone number for them to find if permission could be obtained from Mr. Lowe or from their organization to share the entire article. However there is an e-mail on their website: hscc@carr.org If someone is interested and wants to follow up on reading the entire article. Marsha Moses

Dear Ms. Moses: I have prominent Elliott lineage but it is ould and in my most prominent, Butler lineage: >Cressed St. John, m. John Boteler of Sharnnebrooke, Bedfordshire, >will 1613, had John Boteler, m. Jane Elliott The Rudulph Family, by Idaline Bell Dixon, page 142 and >John Boteler of Little Bursted (Breested), Co. Essex, m. Jane >Elliott, dau. of Edward Elliott of Newlands Hall, Essex . . .. The Rudulph Family, page 126 Their son Thomas Boteler I, "was a partner in the Merchant Adventurers with Col. William Claiborne, the secretary to the Virginia Counsel in the Kent Island project with his brother, John Boteler . . . Thomas came out to Kent Island at John's death and brought his family. When Calvert took over the Island, Thomas died in the course of the struggle, 1646, and eventually his wife and children escaped to Westmoreland Co. Virginia . . .." The Rudulph Family, page 127 Apparently, there was a dispute between Claiborne with Virginia and Calvert/Baltimore with Maryland as to dominion of Kent Island, and Maryland won apparently with Calvert a rascal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Island,_Maryland http://www.kentislandheritagesociety.org/history.html At 10:19 AM 1/20/2012, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:31:54 -0500 >From: marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> >Subject: [Q-R] Elliott family in Montgomery County, VA >To: Quaker-Roots@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <5FA9275A-62C1-4709-9B50-69B957C8FBF2@earthlink.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >My Elliott family includes the NC patriarch Jacob Elliott who was >married to Elizabeth unknown. Jacob and his family moved from Pa to >Rowan County, NC in the mid 1700's. > >1763, 11, 26. Jacob (Ellott) & W& ch, Jacob, Elizabeth, Hannah, >Israel & William rocf Warrington MM, Pa, dated 1763, 9, 20 (I have a >copy of the original MM records for this) This is found in the >records of New Garden MM in what is now Guilford County, NC. It >would have been Rowan County in 1763 > >The land that Jacob bought is now in Randolph County, NC. And many >of the land transactions are found in the records of Randolph >County. Jacob and family lived on Polecat Creek as neighbors and >friends of Jacob's brother, Abraham who was married >twice: Priscilla and Sarah. I mention wives as an identifier >because there were three Abrahams in the area in 1790 on the >census: Abraham brother to my Jacob, Abraham son of that Abraham, >and MY Abraham who was the son of Jacob....I was a long time sorting >these Abrahams from one another. > >I am going to leave out the stories that led me to the information >that my Jacob and Elizabeth Elliott moved to Montgomery County, VA >during the Revolution for safety. They lived on the Chestnut Creek >area in what is now Carroll County, VA and Wytheville, VA. The area >was full of Quaker families in that era. Many or possibly most of >these Quakers moved west during the first decade of the 1800's in >the mass exodus of the Quaker families out of the south and into the >non-slave states of Ohio and Indiana....many also stopping in TN as well. > >I thought that I would share just a bit of the information that I >found just over a week ago at the Rowan County library and the >Kegley library in Wytheville, Va on a quick research jaunt. It may >take me a couple of months to read through everything, but as I see >things of interest to others, I'll pass it along via this mail list. > >Marsha Moses ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Burns, Attorney & Counselor at Law California Bar Assn. 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Forgot to mention that the previous is from: A Standard History of Oklahoma - Volume IV By Joseph Bradfield Thoburn Printed by the American History Society - 1916 -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

Joseph F. Rumsey. The American Ice and Oil Company of Oklahoma City is one of a number of important industries that have been established in the capital during the past five years and have furnished the nucleus for the development of a great industrial center there. The most noteworthy feature of the business of this company is the manufacture of cottonseed products. Its plant, located at 301 South Compress Street, was originally a brewery and ice plant. In the summer of 1911 two young men of great enterprise, with a shrewd foresight as to future development, brought their capital to Oklahoma City, bought the old brewery, organized the American Ice & Oil Company, and at once started to remodel the building and introduce the complicated machinery necessary for their particular needs. The president of the company since its organization has been Joseph F. Rumsey, while his brother, Richard D. Rumsey, is secretary and treasurer. The plant occupies ground 140 by 150 feet, and of its original facilities they have retained only the ice plant, which is operated chiefly during the summer months. The main business is the manufacture of cottonseed oil and cold-pressed cottonseed cake. This has the distinction of being the third cold-pressed mill built in the state, and has been in operation since 1911, and though a new business, has been developed to a point of successful permanence and flourishing prosperity. The business is now an important institution considered as an asset to Oklahoma City’s industrial prosperity. From twenty-five to thirty people are employed, including several traveling salesmen and seed buyers. The cottonseed products have their chief markets in the states of Kansas, Nebraska and Missouri, while the “linters” are sold for the manufacturing of guncotton, at the present time a desideratum to the warring nations abroad. The president of this company, Joseph F. Rumsey, is a young man not yet thirty years of age. He was born in Chicago in 1888, a son of J. Frank and Martha (Downing) Rumsey. His father, who was born in New York State and died in 1908, was for forty years a member of the Chicago Board of Trade. The mother died in 1893. The Rumsey family originated in Wales, but was established in the United States before the Revolutionary war. The Downing family was among the early Quaker peoples of Pennsylvania, located at Dowington in Westchester County of that state. Mr. Rumsey’s maternal grandfather Downing was a prominent factor in the iron industry of Pennsylvania during the early days, and before the iron resources of the United States had been developed to a point where it was possible to supply the American demand he was in business as an importer of iron. For years he served as a director of the Bank of North America at Philadelphia, an institution founded by the eminent revolutionary financier, John Morris. Joseph F. Rumsey is a young man of broad and liberal education, of thorough business ability as the success of his company demonstrates, and has contributed not a little to the welfare of Oklahoma City by establishing the business above described. He was educated at the Lake Forest Academy in Chicago, in the Hotchkiss School at Lakeville, Connecticut, and after this preparatory training entered Yale University, where he was graduated B. A. in 1911. Within a few weeks after his graduation he was in Oklahoma City arranging the details for the organization and establishment of the American Ice & Oil Company. Mr. Rumsey married, November 4, 1915, Mary Baker, of Weatherford, Texas, a daughter of Alice Blake and John Daniel Baker. -- “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”. - Patrick Henry - _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

My Elliott family includes the NC patriarch Jacob Elliott who was married to Elizabeth unknown. Jacob and his family moved from Pa to Rowan County, NC in the mid 1700's. 1763, 11, 26. Jacob (Ellott) & W& ch, Jacob, Elizabeth, Hannah, Israel & William rocf Warrington MM, Pa, dated 1763, 9, 20 (I have a copy of the original MM records for this) This is found in the records of New Garden MM in what is now Guilford County, NC. It would have been Rowan County in 1763 The land that Jacob bought is now in Randolph County, NC. And many of the land transactions are found in the records of Randolph County. Jacob and family lived on Polecat Creek as neighbors and friends of Jacob's brother, Abraham who was married twice: Priscilla and Sarah. I mention wives as an identifier because there were three Abrahams in the area in 1790 on the census: Abraham brother to my Jacob, Abraham son of that Abraham, and MY Abraham who was the son of Jacob....I was a long time sorting these Abrahams from one another. I am going to leave out the stories that led me to the information that my Jacob and Elizabeth Elliott moved to Montgomery County, VA during the Revolution for safety. They lived on the Chestnut Creek area in what is now Carroll County, VA and Wytheville, VA. The area was full of Quaker families in that era. Many or possibly most of these Quakers moved west during the first decade of the 1800's in the mass exodus of the Quaker families out of the south and into the non-slave states of Ohio and Indiana....many also stopping in TN as well. I thought that I would share just a bit of the information that I found just over a week ago at the Rowan County library and the Kegley library in Wytheville, Va on a quick research jaunt. It may take me a couple of months to read through everything, but as I see things of interest to others, I'll pass it along via this mail list. Marsha Moses

Thanks so much for all of your kind answers to my query. It seems that my GAUNTT/TEAGUE family may have 'split off' from the Bush River Quakers just bf/ 1800. Their descend- ants continued on South from Laurens & Newberry Co.,SC while it seems that many of your families went to Ohio, etc. Was there a big split in the Quaker fellowship @ Bush R. around that time ? Thanks, Martha -----Original Message----- From: quaker-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:quaker-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of quaker-roots-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 2:01 AM To: quaker-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 16 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - did they ... (Linda Peacock) 2. Re: Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - did they ... (Linda Peacock) 3. Re: Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - did they have to be members? (Linda Peacock) 4. To all (Linda Peacock) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:28:18 +0100 From: "Linda Peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - did they ... To: <Dott114029@aol.com>, <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <C128735D3B5A42698CBECB47B214D125@brugerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you Dottie. Yes, I would like information about Samuel Woolman. I descend from John Woolman and Elizabeth Borton. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Dott114029@aol.com To: lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk ; QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - did they ... In my research on the marriage documents of Quakers, there were three columns of lists of names. The first column was for male guests to sign. The middle column was for women guests to sign. The third column on the right was for the family to sign, the bride and groom usually being first, then the grooms parents, brides parents and son on down that column. I could be wrong and I'm sure you will get more information from more historians, but that's how I understood it to be. I have a little information on Samuel Woolman who died in 1750 if you want it. Dottie In a message dated 1/17/2012 11:54:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk writes: Sorry about the typo! Meant, "were the witnesses also required to be members?". Figure people get the jest anyway but the message was garbled. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:41 PM Subject: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - did they have to be members? I am sure someone here will know the answer to my question which is: Were the witnesses of Friends? marriages in the 1700?s in the American Colonies also have to be members of the faith? Realize that the couple had to be members, or join if not a prior member. But let?s say one of the partners converted to the Friends? faith. Could that person?s Father or Mother be a witness? Or could general members of the community be witnesses if it were? Am new at the list. My fault for not joining earlier. My "Quaker" roots are pretty well documented and guess that is why. I descend from Woolmans, Hunts, Coffins, Thornboroughs, Gardners, Sells and many others, via my paternal grandfather?s Peacock family (the Peacocks being later to join). My grandfather, Joseph Donald Peacock, was born a "Quaker" but became a Methodist, likely because my grandmother was a Methodist. Can share much more about the family if anyone is interested in that. Yours truly, Linda Peacock ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:31 +0100 From: "Linda Peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - did they ... To: "Thomas Hamm" <tomh@earlham.edu>, <Dott114029@aol.com> Cc: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <84203A3512FD445089B8562539B0B751@brugerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" That is very interesting, Tom Thank you! Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Hamm To: Dott114029@aol.com Cc: lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk ; QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - did they ... Stewart Baldwin, who occasionally contributes to this list, wrote an interesting article on this a few years back. He found that it was the practice in some Pennsylvania monthly meetings that relatives of the bride and groom signed in the column below the bride's and groom's signatures. But it was not uniform. For example, at New Garden, North Carolina, only the names of twelve witnesses to the marriage were recorded. I have seen some marriage certificates with only two columns of witness signatures. And I've seen a number with three columns with men and women intermixed. Anyone could attend a Friends meeting for worship. Normally weddings took place at the conclusion of a midweek meeting for worship. (Thus you can assume that your Quaker ancestor probably was married on a Wednesday or Thursday.) So witnesses did not have to be members. Tom Hamm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: Dott114029@aol.com To: lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk, QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:49:56 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - did they ... In my research on the marriage documents of Quakers, there were three columns of lists of names. The first column was for male guests to sign. The middle column was for women guests to sign. The third column on the right was for the family to sign, the bride and groom usually being first, then the grooms parents, brides parents and son on down that column. I could be wrong and I'm sure you will get more information from more historians, but that's how I understood it to be. I have a little information on Samuel Woolman who died in 1750 if you want it. Dottie In a message dated 1/17/2012 11:54:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk writes: Sorry about the typo! Meant, "were the witnesses also required to be members?". Figure people get the jest anyway but the message was garbled. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:41 PM Subject: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - did they have to be members? I am sure someone here will know the answer to my question which is: Were the witnesses of Friends? marriages in the 1700?s in the American Colonies also have to be members of the faith? Realize that the couple had to be members, or join if not a prior member. But let?s say one of the partners converted to the Friends? faith. Could that person?s Father or Mother be a witness? Or could general members of the community be witnesses if it were? Am new at the list. My fault for not joining earlier. My "Quaker" roots are pretty well documented and guess that is why. I descend from Woolmans, Hunts, Coffins, Thornboroughs, Gardners, Sells and many others, via my paternal grandfather?s Peacock family (the Peacocks being later to join). My grandfather, Joseph Donald Peacock, was born a "Quaker" but became a Methodist, likely because my grandmother was a Methodist. Can share much more about the family if anyone is interested in that. Yours truly, Linda Peacock ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:32:28 +0100 From: "Linda Peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - did they have to be members? To: "Forrest Plumstead" <fplum1@gmail.com> Cc: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <0CB6F87786A04557BCDB23AC44AFC7A4@brugerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Excellent, Forrest Thank you! Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Forrest Plumstead To: Linda Peacock Cc: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - did they have to be members? Hi Linda welcome to the group! If genealogy is addicting then Quaker genealogy is an epidemic! To answer your question Gwen Bjorkman writes in the introduction to her book Quaker Marriage Certificates - Pasquotank, Perquimans, Piney Woods, and Suttons Creek Monthly Meetings, North Carolina, 1677-1800 "Not all of the subscribing witnesses were North Carolinians (many Virginians may be noted) nor were they all Quakers. The name of Paul Palmer, the first Baptist minister in North Carolina. appears in Perquimans along with Government officials (and Anglicans) Thomas Harvey, Thomas Harding, Henry Clayton, and Richard Everard (It can not be determined whether the last was Governor Everard or his son.) Attendance by such public figures may have been merely a neighborly act, but their presence may have imparted a sanction to Quaker marriages which were (until 1778) often regarded as irregular if not illicit." Hope this helps On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Linda Peacock <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote: Sorry about the typo! Meant, "were the witnesses also required to be members?". Figure people get the jest anyway but the message was garbled. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> To: <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:41 PM Subject: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - did they have to be members? I am sure someone here will know the answer to my question which is: Were the witnesses of Friends? marriages in the 1700?s in the American Colonies also have to be members of the faith? Realize that the couple had to be members, or join if not a prior member. But let?s say one of the partners converted to the Friends? faith. Could that person?s Father or Mother be a witness? Or could general members of the community be witnesses if it were? Am new at the list. My fault for not joining earlier. My "Quaker" roots are pretty well documented and guess that is why. I descend from Woolmans, Hunts, Coffins, Thornboroughs, Gardners, Sells and many others, via my paternal grandfather?s Peacock family (the Peacocks being later to join). My grandfather, Joseph Donald Peacock, was born a "Quaker" but became a Methodist, likely because my grandmother was a Methodist. Can share much more about the family if anyone is interested in that. Yours truly, Linda Peacock ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- 73 WB5HQO Forrest Ham Radio WB5HQO http://forrest.3h.com/main.html Plumstead and Associated Families: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fplum/ NAQCC Member # 3678 FPQRP # 2642 SKCC Member # 6855 QRPadillo # 59 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:30:53 +0100 From: "Linda Peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> Subject: [Q-R] To all To: <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <FAAC706AA25F435D84A6C890D7C5FF27@brugerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To everyone Thank you so much for your responses. You have been very helpful. And yes, to Forrest, Quaker genealogy is addictive. Also, I have heard from many Cousins here today and that is nice. Looks like many of us are related. Linda ------------------------------ To contact the QUAKER-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the QUAKER-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 16 *******************************************

Samuel Gaunt, his wife Susannah and ttheir children are listed in the Bush River minutes which, by 1808, were kept at the New Garden meeting; this exerpt found at the following website: http://genealogytrails.com/scar/newberry/bush_river_quakers.htm 1809, 6,24. "Extracts from New Garden Quarterly Meeting, 1808,12,10 and 1809,3,10.Friends appointed to visit friends in South Carolina report about 130 members as follows. Cane Creek, Union District: Richard Cox and wife, Ann, and children, Rebeckah, David, Peter, John, Isaac, Richard and William; Isaac Hawkins and children, Jonathan and Phebe; Dinah, Isaac Enoch, Ann and Martha Hollingsworth. Bush River, Newberry District: Ann Herbert, Sr.; Isaac Kirk and wife, Rebekah, and children, Ann Jenkins, Lydia Jenkins, Rebekah Jenkins, Isaac Jenkins and Phebe Kirk; James Brooks and children, David Singleterry, Daniel Offley and Martha; Phebe Pearson, widow; Rebekah Hawkins; Martha Knight; William Wright and wife, Mary, and children, Nathan, Sarah and Rachel; Hugh O'Neal and wife, Ann, and children, John Belton, Abigail, Rebekah, Hannah and Sarah; Rachel Coats; Sarah and Elizabeth Curl; Sarah Campbell; John 0'Neal and wife, Hephziba, and children, Priscilla, Hannaueel, Mark, Achsah, Gary and Hiram; James Jay and wife, Jemimah, and children, Mills, Alexander, Mary, Rhoda, Layton, James, Ede (Edith), Dempsey, Isaac and Sarah; Lydia Herbert and children, Esther, Ann, Eleanor, Martha, Jobe and Lydia; William and David Miles; James Gilbreath (tanner) and wife, Charity, and daughter, Lydia; Hannah Pearson and children, Powel, Robert and Susanna; Ann Herbert and children, Hannah, Isaac, William and Peter; William, Rhoda and John Foster, children of Henry 0'Neal; James, Jr. and John Gilbreath; Benjamin Weeks and wife, Abigail, and children, Susanna, Mary, Hannah, Clary, Abigail and Caron Happock; Robert Evans and wife, Caron Happock, and child, Abigail; Lydia Spears and children, Robert, Mary, Isaac and Moses Evans; Samuel Guant and wife, Susanna, and children, Samuel Kelly, Charles, Publias and Malichi; Hannah and John Kelly; Rebekah Elmore; Wm. Pugh and daughter, Hannah; Thomas O'Neal (now of Union Dist.) and wife, Sarah, and children, Mary, Rebekah and Robert; Sary Longshore and children, Sarah and Clyde. Sent from my iPad On Jan 19, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Martha <dixiepeanut@comcast.net> wrote: > Thanks so much for all of your kind answers to my query. > > It seems that my GAUNTT/TEAGUE family may have 'split off' > from the Bush River Quakers just bf/ 1800. Their descend- > ants continued on South from Laurens & Newberry Co.,SC > while it seems that many of your families went to Ohio, > etc. > > Was there a big split in the Quaker fellowship @ Bush R. > around that time ? > > Thanks, > Martha > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: quaker-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:quaker-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > quaker-roots-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 2:01 AM > To: quaker-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 16 > > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - > did they ... (Linda Peacock) > 2. Re: Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - > did they ... (Linda Peacock) > 3. Re: Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - > did they have to be members? (Linda Peacock) > 4. To all (Linda Peacock) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:28:18 +0100 > From: "Linda Peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American > Colonies - did they ... > To: <Dott114029@aol.com>, <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <C128735D3B5A42698CBECB47B214D125@brugerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank you Dottie. Yes, I would like information about Samuel Woolman. I > descend from John Woolman and Elizabeth Borton. > > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dott114029@aol.com > To: lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk ; QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies > - did they ... > > > In my research on the marriage documents of Quakers, there were three > columns of lists of names. The first column was for male guests to sign. > The middle column was for women guests to sign. The third column on the > right was for the family to sign, the bride and groom usually being first, > then the grooms parents, brides parents and son on down that column. I > could be wrong and I'm sure you will get more information from more > historians, but that's how I understood it to be. I have a little > information on Samuel Woolman who died in 1750 if you want it. > > Dottie > > > In a message dated 1/17/2012 11:54:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk writes: > Sorry about the typo! Meant, "were the witnesses also required to be > members?". Figure people get the jest anyway but the message was > garbled. > > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> > To: <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:41 PM > Subject: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - > did > they have to be members? > > > I am sure someone here will know the answer to my question which is: > Were > the witnesses of Friends? marriages in the 1700?s in the American > Colonies > also have to be members of the faith? Realize that the couple had to be > members, or join if not a prior member. But let?s say one of the > partners > converted to the Friends? faith. Could that person?s Father or Mother be > a > witness? Or could general members of the community be witnesses if it > were? > > Am new at the list. My fault for not joining earlier. My "Quaker" roots > are > pretty well documented and guess that is why. I descend from Woolmans, > Hunts, Coffins, Thornboroughs, Gardners, Sells and many others, via my > paternal grandfather?s Peacock family (the Peacocks being later to > join). My > grandfather, Joseph Donald Peacock, was born a "Quaker" but became a > Methodist, likely because my grandmother was a Methodist. Can share much > > more about the family if anyone is interested in that. > > Yours truly, > Linda Peacock > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:30:31 +0100 > From: "Linda Peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American > Colonies - did they ... > To: "Thomas Hamm" <tomh@earlham.edu>, <Dott114029@aol.com> > Cc: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <84203A3512FD445089B8562539B0B751@brugerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > That is very interesting, Tom > > Thank you! > > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thomas Hamm > To: Dott114029@aol.com > Cc: lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk ; QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies > - did they ... > > > Stewart Baldwin, who occasionally contributes to this list, wrote an > interesting article on this a few years back. He found that it was the > practice in some Pennsylvania monthly meetings that relatives of the bride > and groom signed in the column below the bride's and groom's signatures. But > it was not uniform. For example, at New Garden, North Carolina, only the > names of twelve witnesses to the marriage were recorded. I have seen some > marriage certificates with only two columns of witness signatures. And I've > seen a number with three columns with men and women intermixed. > > Anyone could attend a Friends meeting for worship. Normally weddings took > place at the conclusion of a midweek meeting for worship. (Thus you can > assume that your Quaker ancestor probably was married on a Wednesday or > Thursday.) So witnesses did not have to be members. > > Tom Hamm > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > From: Dott114029@aol.com > To: lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk, QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:49:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies > - did they ... > > In my research on the marriage documents of Quakers, there were three > columns of lists of names. The first column was for male guests to sign. > The > middle column was for women guests to sign. The third column on the > right > was for the family to sign, the bride and groom usually being first, then > > the grooms parents, brides parents and son on down that column. I could > be > wrong and I'm sure you will get more information from more historians, > but > that's how I understood it to be. I have a little information on Samuel > Woolman who died in 1750 if you want it. > > Dottie > > > In a message dated 1/17/2012 11:54:11 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk writes: > > Sorry about the typo! Meant, "were the witnesses also required to be > members?". Figure people get the jest anyway but the message was > garbled. > > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> > To: <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:41 PM > Subject: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - > did > they have to be members? > > > I am sure someone here will know the answer to my question which is: Were > > the witnesses of Friends? marriages in the 1700?s in the American > Colonies > also have to be members of the faith? Realize that the couple had to be > members, or join if not a prior member. But let?s say one of the partners > > converted to the Friends? faith. Could that person?s Father or Mother be > a > witness? Or could general members of the community be witnesses if it > were? > > Am new at the list. My fault for not joining earlier. My "Quaker" roots > are > pretty well documented and guess that is why. I descend from Woolmans, > Hunts, Coffins, Thornboroughs, Gardners, Sells and many others, via my > paternal grandfather?s Peacock family (the Peacocks being later to join). > > My > grandfather, Joseph Donald Peacock, was born a "Quaker" but became a > Methodist, likely because my grandmother was a Methodist. Can share much > more about the family if anyone is interested in that. > > Yours truly, > Linda Peacock > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:32:28 +0100 > From: "Linda Peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American > Colonies - did they have to be members? > To: "Forrest Plumstead" <fplum1@gmail.com> > Cc: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <0CB6F87786A04557BCDB23AC44AFC7A4@brugerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Excellent, Forrest > > Thank you! > > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Forrest Plumstead > To: Linda Peacock > Cc: QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies > - did they have to be members? > > > Hi Linda welcome to the group! > > > If genealogy is addicting then Quaker genealogy is an epidemic! > > > To answer your question Gwen Bjorkman writes in the introduction to her > book Quaker Marriage Certificates - Pasquotank, Perquimans, Piney Woods, and > Suttons Creek Monthly Meetings, North Carolina, 1677-1800 > > > "Not all of the subscribing witnesses were North Carolinians (many > Virginians may be noted) nor were they all Quakers. The name of Paul Palmer, > the first Baptist minister in North Carolina. appears in Perquimans along > with Government officials (and Anglicans) Thomas Harvey, Thomas Harding, > Henry Clayton, and Richard Everard (It can not be determined whether the > last was Governor Everard or his son.) Attendance by such public figures may > have been merely a neighborly act, but their presence may have imparted a > sanction to Quaker marriages which were (until 1778) often regarded as > irregular if not illicit." > > > Hope this helps > > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Linda Peacock > <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote: > > Sorry about the typo! Meant, "were the witnesses also required to be > members?". Figure people get the jest anyway but the message was > garbled. > > Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> > To: <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:41 PM > Subject: [Q-R] Friends? marriage witnesses in 1700?s American Colonies - > did > they have to be members? > > > I am sure someone here will know the answer to my question which is: > Were > the witnesses of Friends? marriages in the 1700?s in the American > Colonies > also have to be members of the faith? Realize that the couple had to be > members, or join if not a prior member. But let?s say one of the > partners > converted to the Friends? faith. Could that person?s Father or Mother be > a > witness? Or could general members of the community be witnesses if it > were? > > Am new at the list. My fault for not joining earlier. My "Quaker" roots > are > pretty well documented and guess that is why. I descend from Woolmans, > Hunts, Coffins, Thornboroughs, Gardners, Sells and many others, via my > paternal grandfather?s Peacock family (the Peacocks being later to > join). My > grandfather, Joseph Donald Peacock, was born a "Quaker" but became a > Methodist, likely because my grandmother was a Methodist. Can share much > more about the family if anyone is interested in that. > > Yours truly, > Linda Peacock > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > -- > 73 > WB5HQO Forrest > Ham Radio WB5HQO http://forrest.3h.com/main.html > Plumstead and Associated Families: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fplum/ > > NAQCC Member # 3678 FPQRP # 2642 > SKCC Member # 6855 QRPadillo # 59 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:30:53 +0100 > From: "Linda Peacock" <lindapeacock@vip.cybercity.dk> > Subject: [Q-R] To all > To: <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <FAAC706AA25F435D84A6C890D7C5FF27@brugerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > To everyone > > Thank you so much for your responses. You have been very helpful. And yes, > to Forrest, Quaker genealogy is addictive. Also, I have heard from many > Cousins here today and that is nice. Looks like many of us are related. > > Linda > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the QUAKER-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the QUAKER-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of QUAKER-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 16 > ******************************************* > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QUAKER-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message