On Jan 25, 2006, at 23:50, J Margaret Page wrote: > You may have seen this but if you go to the World Connect website > and look under Capstick then under surnames and look up Burton you > will find the John Burton b. 1768. Most of the other children died > young. It was his father's second marriage apparently which > explains the 3 daughters who were left money by the grandfather > John Burton in his Will (no mention there of the second marriage). > I have sent an e-mail to see if yours is thought a likely connection. Thank you Margaret for sending those details. I tried World Connect but couldn't get further than Capstick for some reason - how do you go on to BURTON once you get to Capstick? Am I being dense or something ? You mention that there is a will too, of John's grandfather. I would be interested to see any details of his grandfather's will or where I could find it. I don't suppose it would be a PCC will,would it? I guess York would be more likely. Because I am within easy reach of London, it would not be be difficult to visit the Friends House in London. However, I am not familiar with how one would gain access to the records there. Do you have to make an appointment, for example, or is there open access similar to the FRC? Vanessa mentioned seeing a John BURTON in the 1841 census with two sons William & David. Have you come across this too? I would like to know the census place he was at in order to follow this up. I know that in 1881 his son James [always assuming there is a relationship, of course] was 70 and living in Rawtenstall the place the where the census says he was also born. That would be 1811 presumably. And also, presumably, where John would have been living too at that time. So John, one might think, would be also be there in 1841. Just wondered if someone would be able to tell me if my reasoning is correct - better still if someone has a reference! I mentioned in an earlier message that as John died in 1853 I should be able to find him on the 1851 census. I haven't access to either census at the moment but hope to check them out in the future, unless someone has already done that! What should be on those census records is the place of birth (pace - I realize the 1841 can only tell me in/out of county) and this together with an age in each should help to clarify whether we are talking about the same John BURTON, Following on Margaret, I will be interested in what response you get to the e-mail mentioned above. Henry

Try http://www.extraaccount.fsnet.co.uk/ then choose Surnames, Then choose Burton and scroll down for John 1768. Click on the Question Mark by his father and 'Other Spouse' to see children of the first marriage. For the Will try looking under http://www.sleepyfrog.com/me/herbertfa/index.html then under Wills then John is the second one down. I love that bit about 'liberty to drive sheep upon occasion at any time between the fifth of September and the middle of April through a Close called Little Intack to my son Richard for ever'. Did you inherit that right perhaps? By the way, it mentions Joshua Binns but I believe it is Joseph Binns. Don't know if the error is in Transcription or in the actual Will. No reply to my e-mail yet. I'll respond to the rest later, I've got to go out now. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry ODDIE" <henryoddie@mac.com> To: <QUAKER-BRITISH-ISLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:55 AM Subject: [Q-B-I] John BURTON >

Best to refer to the Friends House Library Website www.quaker.org.uk/library/index.html where it tells you about opening times and says 'Quakers and non-Quakers from all around the world use the Library - all are welcome. We do not have a formal registration procedure, but we do ask for a letter of introduction. An explanation about letters of introduction is given in the Library Rules.' There is a charge for using the Microfilm machine and they will always be grateful for donations to their Befriend a Book Scheme. I find it useful to phone them first. I have only managed to get there a couple of times but it is well worth it. I don't have the 1841 or 1851 census detail for Burtons in the Crawshawbooth/Rawtenstall areas of Lancashire. Maybe someone does. Regards, Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry ODDIE" <henryoddie@mac.com> To: <QUAKER-BRITISH-ISLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:55 AM Subject: [Q-B-I] John BURTON > On Jan 25, 2006, at 23:50, J Margaret Page wrote: > > You may have seen this but if you go to the World Connect website > > and look under Capstick then under surnames and look up Burton you > > will find the John Burton b. 1768. Most of the other children died > > young. It was his father's second marriage apparently which > > explains the 3 daughters who were left money by the grandfather > > John Burton in his Will (no mention there of the second marriage). > > I have sent an e-mail to see if yours is thought a likely connection. > > > Thank you Margaret for sending those details. I tried World Connect > but couldn't get further than Capstick for some reason - how do you > go on to BURTON once you get to Capstick? Am I being dense or > something ? > > You mention that there is a will too, of John's grandfather. I would > be interested to see any details of his grandfather's will or where I > could find it. I don't suppose it would be a PCC will,would it? I > guess York would be more likely. > > Because I am within easy reach of London, it would not be be > difficult to visit the Friends House in London. However, I am not > familiar with how one would gain access to the records there. Do you > have to make an appointment, for example, or is there open access > similar to the FRC? > > Vanessa mentioned seeing a John BURTON in the 1841 census with two > sons William & David. Have you come across this too? I would like to > know the census place he was at in order to follow this up. I know > that in 1881 his son James [always assuming there is a relationship, > of course] was 70 and living in Rawtenstall the place the where the > census says he was also born. That would be 1811 presumably. And > also, presumably, where John would have been living too at that time. > So John, one might think, would be also be there in 1841. Just > wondered if someone would be able to tell me if my reasoning is > correct - better still if someone has a reference! I mentioned in an > earlier message that as John died in 1853 I should be able to find > him on the 1851 census. I haven't access to either census at the > moment but hope to check them out in the future, unless someone has > already done that! What should be on those census records is the > place of birth (pace - I realize the 1841 can only tell me in/out of > county) and this together with an age in each should help to clarify > whether we are talking about the same John BURTON, > > Following on Margaret, I will be interested in what response you get > to the e-mail mentioned above. > > Henry > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >