Another interesting link: http://www.victorianweb.org/history/letters/lister.html Ben -- Benjamin S. Beck benjaminbeck@ukonline.co.uk http://web.ukonline.co.uk/benjaminbeck

Just found this by chance: two items of Quaker interest sold at Sotheby's in 2004 (items 19 & 20). Did anybody know? And who bought them, I wonder? https://www.invaluable.com/partnerpages/Sale.aspx?SaleID=1109266&SaleHouseID=1040019&Page=1 NB the URL will probably wrap over two lines, so be sure you select it all, if you want to follow this up. Ben -- Benjamin S. Beck benjaminbeck@ukonline.co.uk http://web.ukonline.co.uk/benjaminbeck

>I have been researching the above family for years. Richard Fenimore was >bp in 1632 in Tingewick, BKM and married Mary Crook/Crick (from Adderbury) >at the Banbury Meeting in OXF in 1672/3. Hi Liane, Your husband and I have a mutual ancestor from Oxfordshire. Peter Paxton and Agnes ? parents of Jane Paxton who married John Fennimore in Newton Purcell, OXF are my 12th great grandparents. Jane is my 11th great grand aunt, her brother Henry is my 11th great grandfather. Would you be interested in sharing details? Take care Jayne Ontario, Canada

I have been researching the above family for years. Richard Fenimore was bp in 1632 in Tingewick, BKM and married Mary Crook/Crick (from Adderbury) at the Banbury Meeting in OXF in 1672/3. In nearby Westbury, BKM there was another Quaker family headed by Henry Fenimore who died in 1720 at Westbury and was buried at Whittlebury. He was referred to as the Old Quaker and he witnessed numerous Quaker weddings. Since these villages are so close to one another and the name Fenimore is not that common, it is possible that Henry Fenimore was closely related to the Tingewick family. Richard had a younger brother Henry bp in1637 who may have married Alice White in Newton Purcell, OXF in 1658. (Richard's family came from this village). Richard and wife Mary emigrated to America. Last documented at their marriage in Banbury, they next show up in Burlington, New Jersey in 1681. Their known children were three sons who may have been born in England. I have searched English Quaker records and have not found any births for them or any mention of their parents. Many Yorkshire Quakers as well as families from Bucks, Northamptonshire, and London moved to Burlington, NJ. Associated Quaker names in New Jersey are BRIAN, Borton, Budd, COLLINS (OXF), DEACON, DECOU (YKS), Devonish (LON), Emley, French, Gardiner, Huling, HUMPHREY, Jennings, MARRIOTT, OLIVE (NTH), PEACHEE, Powell, SHINN (SFK/CAM), Stacy, WILLS (NTH), Woolman. Those capitalized were either related by marriage or closely associated with Richard Fenimore in business, as witnesses to marriages, or as neighbors. Liane Fenimore (my husband is the Fenimore)

Hi, I have Joseph KING, of Broomfield, Essex, married Elizabeth JOSLIN or JOSSELIN @ Earls Colne, Essex recorded in Coggeshall MM's - 2 dates - 15 Oct 1737 & 15 Dec 1739. "Elizabeth of Colne". Elizabeth's parents were also Quakers - John JOSLIN & Elizabeth BARNARD who married @ Thaxted MM, Essex on 13 Jan 1712/13. Elizabeth d/o George BARNARD & Elizabeth CHILDE & born 25 Jun 1687 @ Felsted, Essex. Joseph had an Aunt but I don't know how she is related as yet & she left him lands in Colne Engraine, etc. Joseph was a witness to the Quaker marriage of his Aunt - Kath STOW married William KENT on 16 Nov 1704 recorded at the Colchester MM's, Essex. I believe William to be s/o Thomas & Ellen KENT & c2 Aug 1650 so Kath Stow would be about the same age. Jenny in AUS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin S. Beck" <benjaminbeck@ukonline.co.uk> To: <QUAKER-BRITISH-ISLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:42 AM Subject: [Q-B-I] Roll call > Dear all > > There are now 66 subscribers to this list, and it may be as good a time as > any for our first roll call. > > Could everyone send to Q-B-I a list of all the surnames they are > researching (and of those on which they have significant information even > though they may not currently be researching those lines), showing the > following information for each: > > Surname > Date from > Date to > Monthly Meeting (if known) > Place > County Code > > Feel free to send in as many names as you like, though if you have lots it > may be best to spread them out over more than one email. > > Overseas subscribers please note: Please only include Quaker families with > origins in the British Isles. > > Thanks! > > Ben > > > -- > Benjamin S. Beck (Ben) > List administrator > > Email: QUAKER-BRITISH-ISLES-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Dear all There are now 66 subscribers to this list, and it may be as good a time as any for our first roll call. Could everyone send to Q-B-I a list of all the surnames they are researching (and of those on which they have significant information even though they may not currently be researching those lines), showing the following information for each: Surname Date from Date to Monthly Meeting (if known) Place County Code Feel free to send in as many names as you like, though if you have lots it may be best to spread them out over more than one email. Overseas subscribers please note: Please only include Quaker families with origins in the British Isles. Thanks! Ben -- Benjamin S. Beck (Ben) List administrator Email: QUAKER-BRITISH-ISLES-admin@rootsweb.com

Hello, I've just started researching on John ADAMS, born Feb. 14, 1871, Chadderton, York, Eng. Father: Joseph ADAMS Mother: Elizabeth (MARLOW) Married: Hannah Jane (CRABTREE) born 1874, Sheffield, York, Eng. on May 29, 1897 John and Hannah had two daughters: Lydia, born Feb. 21, 1885 Hilda, born Jan 15, 1900 Any information would be greatly appreciated. Joanne

I descend from the RIDG(E)WAY family who resided in the Wirksworth, Derbyshire and Nottingham, Nottinghamshire areas. Here is a short rundown of this family. 10th great grandparents: James RIDG(E)WAY & ? 9th great grandparents: John RIDG(E)WAY & Ellen FIELDHOUSE 8th great grandparents: James RIDG(E)WAY & Margaret STAFFORD 7th great grandparents: Tristram RIDG(E)WAY & Mary SPENCER Tristram was born 1 Jul 1670 and was baptized into the Quaker faith Dec 1st, 1690 in Wirksworth, Derbyshire. He and Mary married Jun 8, 1696 in London and had 8 children Francis, Anthony, James, Mary, Margaret, Elin, Tristram, Francis. Transcript: Marriage License dated 8th June 1696 at St. Helen's, Bishopgate, London "Which day approved personally John Spencer of St. Helen's, London and alleged that Tristram Ridgeway of Wirksworth in the county of Derby Gent aged abt 30 years a batchelor intendeth to marry with Mary Spencer of the same parish aged abt 22 years a spinster with the consent of her father Henry Spencer...married in the parish church of St. Helen's aforesaid." 6th great grandparents: Tristram RIDG(E)WAY & Mary TOWLE 5th great grandparents: Tristram RIDG(E)WAY & Mary SWIFT 4th great grandparents: Robert RIDG(E)WAY & Mary WARRINER 3rd great grandparents: Martha RIDG(E)WAY & George SPENCER Members of this RIDG(E)WAY line were mentioned in George Fox's book about the persecution of the Quakers in Derbyshire. I also descend from the RIDG(E)WAY family in Thornborough, Buckinghamshire but only through the marriage of my Elizabeth READ to William RIDGEWAY grandson of Benjamin RIDG(E)WAY and Ann TAPLIN. If anyone has any further information on my Derbyshire RIDG(E)WAY line it would be very much appreciated. Take care Jayne Ontario, Canada

I am trying to find a connection between ROBERT LONGSHORE, born in Lancashire, Wigan in the 1800s. He died in Pennsylvania about 1895. I do not know his Father or Mother's names but understand that the English surname was LANGSHAW or LONGSHAW. Near Wigan there is a Longshaw Farm, Langshaw Bottom and Longshaw Common. Robert Longshore came to America about 1881 and was a surveyor for William Penn. I wonder if anyone knows of Meeting records in the Wigan area for that time period. I would appreciate any help, Peggy from Arizona

I have a new QFHS member interested in the Quaker Knighton family in Old Weston who married into the Jellis family in nearby Winwick. We are talking post 1837. Apparently Winwick was sometimes in Cambridgeshire, sometimes in Northamptonshire as well as Huntingdonshire. I do not know what Quaker meeting this would come under. I am not familiar with this area but found on the Internet that there is an old Quaker burial ground at Winwick. Does any one know anything about it such as the date of the last burial and whether a burial list exists and if so where? Interestingly I found the one time vicar there, Thomas Hartley, was friends with the famous William Cooksworthy who was a Quaker and they both worked on translating Swedenborg's works into English late 1700s. There hasn't been a mention of our 18th March One Day conference in Birmingham, UK. Anyone interested can see details and download the form from our website www.qfhs.co.uk under Contents then Events. Thanks, Margaret

Dear Howard Marriage Knight: My apologies for being so tardy in replying to your kind message. It appears that we are cousins! You ask what I want to know about Rachel and Walter. The simple answer is "Everything!". A more detailed reply is that I am interested less in ancestors and pedigrees than in the stories of their lives in England, Canada, Mexico and the United States. They were active in teaching the Freedman (former slaves) after the American Civil War as well as active members of a number of monthly meetings, especially in Iowa. I do have the 1987 compilation, along with a pamphlet describing an anniversary celebration of the Marriage Mill in Chelmsford. I will send a separate e-mail message to your personal e-mail address describing how I became interested and summarizing some of what I know and many unanswered questions. If others are interested I will forward this information to them. Thank you in advance for any information or clues of where to go next. Eleanor W. Helper --- Howard M Knight <marriage@one-name.org> wrote: > At 02:27 AM 27/01/06, Eleanor wrote: > >I am interested in viewing and/or purchasing the Essex CD you > mention. > >How can I obtain it (I live in the united States)I am interested in > >Rachel Winston MESSER AND Walter MARRIAGE. (You can imagine the > >problems encountered when I search for that name. They were married > in > >the Chelmsford, Essex meetinghouse on 8 March, 1848. I believe six > >children were born there. Any information on this family that you > have > >would be apprecited. > > I have details of the genealogy of the Marriage side of this > connection, > going back to Francis Marriage (died 1701) and I am still in contact > with > one of their descendants, Donald O Marriage. I also have copies of a > > printed Marriage family tree produced in 1987, but it only includes > Marriage descendants. > > As it happens, I am another descendant of the family, though not of > Walter > & Rachel, the member of the Guild of One-Name Studies who has > registered > the name Marriage and the coordinator of the Quaker Family History > Society > Digest indexing project (that Margaret Page has mentioned a good deal > > recently). > > If Eleanor gets in touch with me direct with details of what she > wants to > know I will see what I can do to help. > > Howard > > Howard Marriage Knight, near Bristol, UK > (Marriage surname info. clearing house. Guild of One-Name Studies > member > no. 1750) > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

In message <017c01c629ee$f8f26bf0$a13d1c40@your6bvpxyztoq>, Edwin and Cornelia Moore <fenenga@connpoint.net> writes >it's been a long, long time since I went through the old records and my >rusty memory needs refreshing. >before 1752, the dating in records, especially the months, was >different than it is now. >I have stumbled across a heretofore unknown individual who belongs in >my tree among the old xeroxes of records and digests, and their birth >is given as > >"....ye 7th of ye 12th mo. 1709/10" > >was this February? March was the first month, correct? >thank you. >Cornelia > Yes. By modern dating it was 7 February 1710. Before 1 January 1752, the civil year in England began on 25 March. Quaker dating regards the whole of March as 1st Month, though the first 24 days were part of the old year (so one month after the date above was 7th of 1st month 1709/10). Thus, before 1752, the Quaker calendar ran from 1st month (March) through to 12th month (February). A by-product of this was that September-December were 7th-10th months, just as their Latin names suggest that they should be. The calendar change in 1752 in fact took place in two stages. First, New Years Day was moved to 1 January, from the beginning of 1752. Secondly, the famous 11 days were removed from September, to move from the Julian calendar ("Old Style") to the Gregorian calendar ("New Style"). The renumbering of Quaker months (January as 1st month through to December as 12th month) should therefore take place from the beginning - January - of 1752. Human nature being what it is, some people probably got this wrong at the time. The way it worked is well illustrated on the first page of the births register for Sheffield Particular Meeting (Sheffield Archives QR 32), an unsurrendered register started later in the 1750s but containing retrospective entries back to 1749. The registrar has tried to make the position absolutely clear. Consecutive entries read: "Nathaniel, Son of Isaac & Mary Cosins Third Month 5 1751 O.S. Mary, Daughter of John & Sarah Burkitt Seventh Month call'd Septemr 15 1751 O.S. Mary, Daughter of John & Hannah Barnard of Upperthorp Third Month (call'd March) 26 1752 O.S. Martha, Daughter of Wm & Mary Hoyland Sixth Month 29 1752 O.S. Wm, Son of Wm Aldam junr and Mary his Wife Seventh Month 31 1752 O.S. Henry, Son of John and Martha Hirst Eighth Month 13 1752 O.S. Mary, Daughter of John & Mary Holbern Eleventh Month 13 1752 N.S." -- Chris Pitt Lewis

it's been a long, long time since I went through the old records and my rusty memory needs refreshing. before 1752, the dating in records, especially the months, was different than it is now. I have stumbled across a heretofore unknown individual who belongs in my tree among the old xeroxes of records and digests, and their birth is given as "....ye 7th of ye 12th mo. 1709/10" was this February? March was the first month, correct? thank you. Cornelia

busy, busy week, much to catch up on. quickly,in hopes of filling out this branch of my tree; I have this couple, and what I believe to be them in the census-ages are correct, place for John is wrong(?) but for Elizabeth is right. John Head son of John and Martha b. abt 1779 Banbury, Oxon m. 20 May 1822 Colchester Elizabeth Cross dau of Joseph Cross and Elizabeth Richards b. 8 May 1784 St. Nicholas, Colchester parents names and probable place of birth of John is from his marriage record. name of parents and birth date and place for Elizabeth is from her birth record and also her marriage record (same record as John's, of course) did this couple have children? who were they? is this them in the 1851? if so, who Mary Ann's parents? 1851 Oxfordshire > Neithrop > District 10a John Head head mar 70 retired hosier Frostenerd? Suffolk Elizabeth wife mar 66 Colchester, Essex Mary Ann gran daur un 4 Scholar Banbury, Oxon there is this conflicting record...perhaps another couple? "On the sixteenth Day of the Tenth Month, One Thousand Eight Hundred and Fourteen was born at Banbury in the Parish of Banbury in the County of Oxford unto John Head (Hosier) and Mary his Wife A Son who was named John. We, who were present at the said Birth, have subscribed our Names as Witnesses thereof. Richd Chapman Robert Brayne? Surgeon" will catch up in a few days...I hope. Cornelia

On Feb 1, 2006, at 23:32, Sue Christou wrote: > If you e-mail me I will send you the 1841 census for Crawshawbooth. > A lot of > Burtons there including John with his two sons. That would be great Sue! I would love to track down where the Burtons were living at that time and see how they relate to the data I that I already have. I'll look forward to some happy hunting! Cheers Henry

Henry, If you e-mail me I will send you the 1841 census for Crawshawbooth. A lot of Burtons there including John with his two sons. Kind regards, Sue I don't have the 1841 or 1851 census detail for Burtons in the Crawshawbooth/Rawtenstall areas of Lancashire. Maybe someone does. Regards, Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry ODDIE" <henryoddie@mac.com> To: <QUAKER-BRITISH-ISLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:55 AM Subject: [Q-B-I] John BURTON > On Jan 25, 2006, at 23:50, J Margaret Page wrote: > > You may have seen this but if you go to the World Connect website > > and look under Capstick then under surnames and look up Burton you > > will find the John Burton b. 1768. Most of the other children died > > young. It was his father's second marriage apparently which > > explains the 3 daughters who were left money by the grandfather > > John Burton in his Will (no mention there of the second marriage). > > I have sent an e-mail to see if yours is thought a likely connection. > > > Thank you Margaret for sending those details. I tried World Connect > but couldn't get further than Capstick for some reason - how do you > go on to BURTON once you get to Capstick? Am I being dense or > something ? > > You mention that there is a will too, of John's grandfather. I would > be interested to see any details of his grandfather's will or where I > could find it. I don't suppose it would be a PCC will,would it? I > guess York would be more likely. > > Because I am within easy reach of London, it would not be be > difficult to visit the Friends House in London. However, I am not > familiar with how one would gain access to the records there. Do you > have to make an appointment, for example, or is there open access > similar to the FRC? > > Vanessa mentioned seeing a John BURTON in the 1841 census with two > sons William & David. Have you come across this too? I would like to > know the census place he was at in order to follow this up. I know > that in 1881 his son James [always assuming there is a relationship, > of course] was 70 and living in Rawtenstall the place the where the > census says he was also born. That would be 1811 presumably. And > also, presumably, where John would have been living too at that time. > So John, one might think, would be also be there in 1841. Just > wondered if someone would be able to tell me if my reasoning is > correct - better still if someone has a reference! I mentioned in an > earlier message that as John died in 1853 I should be able to find > him on the 1851 census. I haven't access to either census at the > moment but hope to check them out in the future, unless someone has > already done that! What should be on those census records is the > place of birth (pace - I realize the 1841 can only tell me in/out of > county) and this together with an age in each should help to clarify > whether we are talking about the same John BURTON, > > Following on Margaret, I will be interested in what response you get > to the e-mail mentioned above. > > Henry > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > ______________________________

On Jan 29, 2006, at 22:07, QUAKER-BRITISH-ISLES-D- request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Click on the Question Mark by his father and 'Other Spouse' to see > children > of the first marriage. > > For the Will try looking under > http://www.sleepyfrog.com/me/herbertfa/index.html then under Wills > then John > is the second one down. Thanks for the help Margaret. I was able to get to the places we discussed. > I love that bit about 'liberty to drive sheep upon > occasion at any time between the fifth of September and the middle > of April > through a Close called Little Intack to my son Richard for ever'. > Did you > inherit that right perhaps? Isn' t that strange? It must be something to do with seasonal rural rituals I suppose. Being a mere townie, I wouldn't really know what it is about and if I had inherited it - and to the best of my knowledge, I didn't - I wouldn't know what on earth to do with it! Seriously, though, the will appears to support the view that John is an ancestor in my line of Burtons. Wasn't that implied by your last comment too? If the parents of John 'the surgeon' are Richard & Ann [WINN?] BURTON the will you introduced me to is further supporting evidence. Am I right in believing that although Richard's daughters are mentioned in the will and their brother John isn't, this would be accounted for by the fact that at the time of the testator's death. young John would not have been born. I believe that John the elder died in 1766. Do you know if I am right to believe that his wife was Ann THISTLETHWAITE [b 1685]? This is the way 'my' line seems to be panning out: John of Warescale, Dent, Yorks. b 1682, father of Richard of Dent b 1716, father of John 'the surgeon' b 1768, father of James of Crawshawbooth, Lancs. father of Jonathan b 1844, father of Ada Elizabeth BURTON b 1872 [married Edmund TATTERSALL in1892 ] From James onwards all is well documented but how does the earlier part look to you? Vanessa, from a chart she has received, suggested that the father of John of Warescale was William BURTON of Dent b 1650/1 who married Isabell [sic] THISTLETHWAITE B 1653. I would be interested in your views Margaret - or those of anyone else on the List. Cheers Henry

I have found that most Quaker Cross's in England are related to each other and also to me, but I found a scattered bunch of Cross's I don't know who are-maybe someone can enlighten me further. from my copious pile of xeroxes; Southwark meeting Mary Cross of St. Mary Magdelene Bermondsey, Surrey aged abt 64 years died the 5th day of Dec 1724 Devonshire House meeting Christopher Cross son of James Cross of Houndsditch aged abt 5 months d. 17th day 11th month, 1733 Southwark meeting John Cross late of Baseng Hall, Suffolk aged about 22 years d. 29th day 5th month 1726 at Camberwell Peter Cross aged 3+ years son of Paul Cross of Christ's Church parish d. 13th day 12th month 1691 Ratcliffe meeting unnamed stillborn child of Robert Cross of Shadwell? b. & d. 14th day 3rd month 1687 Sarah Cross aged abt 1 year daughter of Robert Cross of Shadewell? d. 7th day 3 month 1688 Hannah Cross aged abt 3 years daughter of Robert and Sarah of St. Paul Shadwell 11 day 10 mo 1692 Chatteris meeting Sarah Cross b. 25th day 11th month 1680/81 son of William and Ann Huntingdon meeting Margery Nainby aged 55 years of Great Helens London d. 26th day 6th month 1791 who is this is this Margery Nainby? my Margaret Nainby, who often visited her brother and sister in law, Joseph Cross and Margaret Willett in Southwark, died in Woodbridge where she was born. meeting not listed-probably Southwark or Bull and Mouth... meeting not listed St. Mary White Chapel, Middlesex William Cross, son of William and Dorothy aged abt 4 years, d. 7th day 11th month 1791 meeting not listed Clarkenwell parish Caraway Crosse d. 21st day of 6th month 1665 meeting not listed Lime House Meddow Joan Cross aged abt 65 years 17th day 9th month 1674 meeting not listed John Cross of Ratcliffe aged abt 23 years d. 30th day 1st month 1678 meeting not listed Mary Cross aged abt 4 days daughter of Paul & Mary Cross of Christ Church Southwark d. 13th? day 6 months 1678 meeting not listed Elizabeth Crosse aged abt 6 days daughter of William and Sarah Cross of Ratcliffe d. 13th day 9th month 1679

Best to refer to the Friends House Library Website www.quaker.org.uk/library/index.html where it tells you about opening times and says 'Quakers and non-Quakers from all around the world use the Library - all are welcome. We do not have a formal registration procedure, but we do ask for a letter of introduction. An explanation about letters of introduction is given in the Library Rules.' There is a charge for using the Microfilm machine and they will always be grateful for donations to their Befriend a Book Scheme. I find it useful to phone them first. I have only managed to get there a couple of times but it is well worth it. I don't have the 1841 or 1851 census detail for Burtons in the Crawshawbooth/Rawtenstall areas of Lancashire. Maybe someone does. Regards, Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry ODDIE" <henryoddie@mac.com> To: <QUAKER-BRITISH-ISLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:55 AM Subject: [Q-B-I] John BURTON > On Jan 25, 2006, at 23:50, J Margaret Page wrote: > > You may have seen this but if you go to the World Connect website > > and look under Capstick then under surnames and look up Burton you > > will find the John Burton b. 1768. Most of the other children died > > young. It was his father's second marriage apparently which > > explains the 3 daughters who were left money by the grandfather > > John Burton in his Will (no mention there of the second marriage). > > I have sent an e-mail to see if yours is thought a likely connection. > > > Thank you Margaret for sending those details. I tried World Connect > but couldn't get further than Capstick for some reason - how do you > go on to BURTON once you get to Capstick? Am I being dense or > something ? > > You mention that there is a will too, of John's grandfather. I would > be interested to see any details of his grandfather's will or where I > could find it. I don't suppose it would be a PCC will,would it? I > guess York would be more likely. > > Because I am within easy reach of London, it would not be be > difficult to visit the Friends House in London. However, I am not > familiar with how one would gain access to the records there. Do you > have to make an appointment, for example, or is there open access > similar to the FRC? > > Vanessa mentioned seeing a John BURTON in the 1841 census with two > sons William & David. Have you come across this too? I would like to > know the census place he was at in order to follow this up. I know > that in 1881 his son James [always assuming there is a relationship, > of course] was 70 and living in Rawtenstall the place the where the > census says he was also born. That would be 1811 presumably. And > also, presumably, where John would have been living too at that time. > So John, one might think, would be also be there in 1841. Just > wondered if someone would be able to tell me if my reasoning is > correct - better still if someone has a reference! I mentioned in an > earlier message that as John died in 1853 I should be able to find > him on the 1851 census. I haven't access to either census at the > moment but hope to check them out in the future, unless someone has > already done that! What should be on those census records is the > place of birth (pace - I realize the 1841 can only tell me in/out of > county) and this together with an age in each should help to clarify > whether we are talking about the same John BURTON, > > Following on Margaret, I will be interested in what response you get > to the e-mail mentioned above. > > Henry > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

My seventh Great Grandfather Robert Longshore lived in Lancashire before coming to America in the 1680s. Rumor has it he attended Oxford at the same time William Penn did. He came to America to escape persecution for being a Quaker. I don't know if he sailed with William Penn or came on an other ship. As yet I have not been able to fine his name listed on a ships manifest. Robert Longshore was Deputy Surveyor General of Pennsylvania helping to lay out the city of Philadelphia and establish Pennsylvania. Robert Longshore and Margaret Petersdaughter Cock were married and had two children, Alice (Elsa) Longshore and Euclydes Longshore. Robert died in 1695. Although I have documentation establishing the Longshore line from myself to Robert Longshore I have not been able to discover who his ancestors were. The name Longshore seems to disappear at the waters edge. There is an unsubstantiated story that the name Longshore was actually Langshaw or Longshaw and that the family lived in Wigan, Lancashire. Can anyone tell me the best way to find a link between Robert Longshore of Pennsylvania and Robert Langshaw of Wigan, Lancashire. Thank you very much for any help or advice. Peggy Longshore Vonk