I apologize for posting this message again but I realized that I had neglected to mention my ggrandfather's name the last time. It was Frederick Charles Garnett Hayward. According the the Police Museum in Toronto he was born Oct 1884 and was 17 when he joined the permanent forces and was still with them when he joined the toronto force. He married my ggrandmother in Halifax Sept 1908 and according to the marriage record was a telegraph operator and was born in Sherbrooke Quebec to Ruth and Walter Hayward, shopkeepers. I will be in Montreal over the thanksgiving long weekend and hopefully will arrive early enough on Friday to do some research. does anyone have any suggestions as to where I could go on Friday either in Montreal or Sherbrooke, hopfully my girlfriend knows her way around enough or I will be cabbing it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thanks Alannah in Toronto