The only article, which in itself, I still find confusing, that I have seen, is "Caldwell Manor and Christie Manor, by Herb Derick, that was published in "The Loyalists of the Eastern Townships", back in 1984. If you don't have it, the book is available from the Missisquoi Historical Society. It used to run about $25 or so (but have no checked the website). I have no real sense for the years that Foucault, Noyan, Christie's Manor, Caldwell's Manor, Clarenceville, etc., were used. I must agree it is thoroughly a head scratcher. When you think about how so many of us are unsure as to what was where after years of researching in that area, one can only imagine the utter confusion for newbies to that area of research. Not familiar with the area firsthand only adds to my confusion. The only thing I am quite sure of is that present-day Rt 202 separated Christie Manor from Caldwell Manor! ;-) Supposedly, according to Herb, in 1855, the municipal govt system was put in place. "The western municiplaity, called St Thomas de Foucault, was bounded by the Richelieu River on the west and by the American border on the south, by the west line of the 5th concession to the east, in that part of the line which is in Caldwell Manor, then easterly to join the west line of the 4th concession in Christie Manor. A line running east from the northern boundary of the Philias Goyette farm on the RIver Shore formed the norther boundary. The lands north of this line, so far as the old Noyan Seigniory line, forms part of the parish of St Georges de Henryville. Further east, there is also the parish of St Sebastien which was detached from St Georges de Henryville on Feb 17, 1865.... And lastly, the municipality of St Georges de Clarenceville comprises the lands east of St Thomas de Foucault (Noyan) allowing for that part now the village of Clarenceville, north of the American border, west of Missisquoi Bay, and south of the Henryville-St. Sebastien line." This is only a bit of the article, and as you can see, if you do not have a map of the original concessions. There are a lot of references to the Manors and measurements given. One interesting point was that Herb indicates that land measure in Foucault (Caldwell Manor) was done in Acres, the English measure, and the Christie Manor (Noyan), the French measure of arpents was used. All clear as mud, right? Any one else come across maps that can overlaid to see the differences over the years? --Pam "David J. Ellis" <DavidEllis2@verizon.net> wrote: I had previously thought that Foucault and Noyan were 'replacement' names for Christies and Caldwells Manor that came into use as the 'Manors" ceased to be used; and that these were later changed into names like Clarenceville and Henryville with some corresponding boundary adjustments. I am presently checking some marriage records for marriages in the early 1830s and find these names are being used at the same time implying they were distinct places. Viz. in 1834, 1835 and 1836 I find references to each of Noyan, Caldwells Manor, Clarenceville and Henryville. Does anyone KNOW (i.e. have a reliable reference source) that explains when these various names ceased being used or came into use? I already have Matilda Day's work and some old maps but neither seem to answer this confusion. Possibly what I am seeing is no more than sloppy book keeping in the records. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to QC-ETANGLO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message