Sorry for not being active this week, but I have been chasing down the Francis Piles connection with no success, but will keep trying. Someone somewhere has an answer to this puzzle! In checking locally this week I found this: 1900 Federal Census, CA, San Francisco, ED #87, sheet 6B, line 74, 1843 15th Ave, dwelling #133, family #134: PYLE, Grant b. May 1864, age 36, married 18 years, b. CA, parents b. IN, stock buyer ---- Susie wife, b. Feb 1865, age 35, mother of 5 children, b. CA, parents b. Ireland ---- Roy son, b. Mar 1884, 16, b. CA ---- Dilbert son, b. Jan 1886, age 14, b. CA ---- Alfred son, b. June 1888, age 11, b. CA ---- Pauline, adopted daughter, b. June 1891, age 8, b. CA ---- Grant son, b. Apr 1900, age 2 months, b. CA ---- Pyle mother, b. Dec 1830, age 69, b. IN ROCHE, James brother-in-law, b. Dec 1866, age 33, b. CA This was the household of my grandparents. the surprise that I was able to glean from this was that my grandmothers parents were born in Ireland, while I thought the family were born in America. Their name was Roche. James Roche, b, Dec. 1866 was a Catholic Priest and died in 1936. Pyle, mother b. Dec 1830 born in IN. was Mary Mack Pyle Roy was actually William Roy, named after my g-grandfather William. Dilbert was John Delbert Pyle and Alfred was actualy my uncle Ralph Pyle Grant Pyle b. Apr 1900 was my Father Two things are rather apparent here, one is that you can't always believe what the census says and the other is the tradition of handing down the father's name was used. My oldest brother's name is Grant also! Ron Pyle