In a message dated 97-09-01 11:21:46 EDT, you write: << Dave; Did I miss your first mail or did you not include your Pyle connection to Robert Pyle 1,. John 2, Jacob 3, Caleb 4 and John Pyle 5, John Pyle 5 and Ann Lodge, his second wife had John's 13th child Hannah Maria Pyle, born 6-6-1833 and married at Mt. Carroll, IL to John D. Hoar and they had ten children? Ron Pyle >> Ron, My data agrees with yours with the possible exception that John David and Hannah Marie (PYLE) HOAR may have had 11 rather than 10 ten children. Dave