In a message dated 8/26/00 8:30:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Do you happened to have the parents of John Pyle who married Sarah Allen February 24, 1816 or the parents of Joshus Pyle who married Nancy Allen March 27, 1823? Do you think these three, John, Joshus and William Pyle, were brothers? I have seen these records before, but It seems like I have gotten into a rut. I have a lot of information on my great great grandfather but I can not trace him back to his parents. >> George, I wish I could help, but can't. Per the 1830 census, where the three are near neighbors, we have that: Joshua was born either 1790-1800, or 1770-1780. If the former, he's probably a brother. If the later, he might be the father of the others. The older male (1770-1780) might be Joshua, or might be his father-in-law. John was born 1790-1800. (Sarah PYLE bought some land from John BELL in 1835 in Sumner County. I'm thinking this may have been John PYLE's widow, since John does not appear in the 1840 census.) William was born 1800-1810. (born 1805 NC per the 1850 census) This isn't a lot to go on, and I don't have any other clues for the moment. (But it is still a possibility that all of these folks are related to Isaac PILES from Orange Co NC. In 1800 (Orange CO NC), Isaac had two sons under 10 years. In 1820 (Smith Co TN), he had 5 sons under the age of 20 and 4 daughters under the age of 15, so the possibility exists.) Please keep me posted if you make any progress here. I've got ancestors who are lost in TN in this era as well. Jim Smee Pittsburgh PA