I should have added to the previous message that your local may be able to borrow the books listed on the web site or held by the Library of Congress and other libraries which have online catalogs. Your library may be able to find these books in other libraries that will lend them by using OCLC an national network of library holdings that includes a majority but not all large libraries in the country. So identify the titles you want and let your local library staff attempt to track them down for you. Dave

Sara and Pat, Sorry but I don't think it is that simple. At least the last half of the list is old data from a 1990 list of holdings at the Library of Congress. Its a little less clear what the first list is taken from. The Library of Congress, only in exceptional situations lends to anyone except congress members, their families, and members of their staffs. They may make photocopies of articles under certain conditions. For an up-to-date list of the collections of the Library of Congress go to: http://lcweb.loc.gov/homepage/lchp.html Wish there were easier access but for the most part one needs to go there to use the collections. Dave

Scott, How old was your mother when you were born? Dave

Ron, Thanks, but I don't believe we would want Uncle Jesse to make a movie of Guns Over The Carolinas. This is the story of Gen. Nathanael Greene and the author did not show Col. John in a very favorable light. Maybe 'country bumpkin' would more aptly describe the author's portrayal of him. (That's what my vengence was all about. I'm glad his name has been cleared.., at least in my mind) Doris

Hi Pat, I went to the site you mentioned. You are absolutely correct. The names, call numbers, etc. are all listed for you to inquire at your library about. Books that are not in your library may be requested and you will be notified when they come in. Hope this helps. Sara PMitch2907@aol.com wrote: > > There is a lot for me to learn about computers, websites and the internet. I > have a website, United States Resources: Illinois at > http://www.rootsweb.com/roots-l/USA/il.html > In this website ther are references to books but I don't understand how I can > get access to them. Can I order them to my library. If someone can help me I > sure would apprieciate it. > > Pat

Pat, The answer depends entirely on the individual library which owns the book. Many family histories and related publications are "out of print" and may not have had many copies printed in the first place. Most libraries will not loan older, rarer and often more fragile books in order to cut down on the wear and tear thus prolong the lives of the books. Some of the best genealogy collections must be used in person. Others will loan but maybe only to other libraries or onlly other libraries with whom they have some kind of reciprocal agreements. Others are more liberal. I am a librarian and I am sorry but there is no easy answer. Some genealogy societies loan to their members only and sometimes only for a fee. If you have specific questions, I will try to answer them. Dave

I suppose Scott's dad wins the prize!! My husband's ggrandfather, Jack PYLES was in his mid-60s when his last three children were born by their mother in her 20s! LOL Sara CubsBlue@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-09-14 13:46:52 EDT, you write: > > << > Was Samuel PYLE 54 years old when his son John Sr. was born in 1723 or am I > missing a generation? Fascinating story! > >> > Quite possible since my father Scott B Pyle was almost 80 when I was born. > > Scott B Pyle II

Doris; Thanks for the thanks. I went to the library today and returned some books. Looked for more on Ernie, but the only thing they had was in the children's section and darned if some little tyke (maybe like me) had it out. I'm the Director of Operations for a High School and we do have "Here is your War" in our school library. I'm related to Stan Mack who does the cartoon in Modern Maturity each month and he came out with an illustrated paper back called "Stan Mack's Real life American Revolution." It was named the best book for teenagers for two years at the New York City Library. I had him send me a couple of books to try and sell for him. When I tried to buy a copy from the local bookstore, there was only one copy west of the Mississippi. I learned more about the Revolution from his book than they told me in school. (maybe I was absent that day) I seen the author James Tobin, who wrote the new book on Ernie called "Ernie Pyles War." he was on Booknotes a month ago and I rushed out and bought the book. I suppose you know that Ernie and his wife had a horrible marriage, but this new book reveals a side of Ernie I didn't know about. However, He and I are related close enough that I know what went on in his mind. The Pyles from day one were globetrotters. After all I enlisted in the army in 1955 just so I could travel. I did, I went to Korea. In 1979, I cruised the Mediteranian to follow in the footsteps of Alexander the Great, unfortunately it was less than a month after the Hostage crisis in Iran. So timing is everything as far as we Pyles are concerned. Tell me about "Guns over the Carolinas." We might get Denver Dell Pyle to do a movie for us. I wrote to him and received a nice autographed picture of him as Uncle Jesse Duke. Ron ---------- | From: Doris Pyle Haynes <dhaynes@HUB.ofthe.NET> | To: piguy@goldrush.com | Subject: Re: Dr. John | Date: Sunday, September 14, 1997 1:21 PM | | Ron, | | Thanks for the story of Dr. John. YES, I CARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | This passion has consumed me ever since I started doing genealogy and | found that my ggg grandfather was born in S.C. I've always been a | history buff and when I found Col. John Pyle, M.D. in Guns Over The | Carolinas, I've been on a vengence! Then his 'true' story in Howard | Pyle's book did my heart good. I said, "That's the kind of people MY | Pyles' were." | | I have been researching his sons as they were in the right place at the | right time to be the father of my Samuel and Rita's John (who were | brothers, born in S.C. ca 1770). | | I've been in correspondence with several of his line that have sent me | some things that isn't shown in the Pyle book. i.e., Nicholas was | married and had four sons before he married Ann Black. And herein is | where I believe we might just fit! | | Are you collecting Ernie Pyle writings? New Mexico Magazine reprinted | his article in the July special 75th anniversary issue, called "Why | Albuquerque" I have two of his books "Brave Men" and "Here's Your War". | In the latter, he wrote about the North African campaign and my | brother-in-law was there and it made it all clear what they went | through. Ernie even listed men's names and hometowns and my | brother-in-law's name wasn't listed, but a neighbor's was. | | Thanks for your input to the list, makes it very interesting! | | Doris |

There is a lot for me to learn about computers, websites and the internet. I have a website, United States Resources: Illinois at http://www.rootsweb.com/roots-l/USA/il.html In this website ther are references to books but I don't understand how I can get access to them. Can I order them to my library. If someone can help me I sure would apprieciate it. Pat

I was referring to the children being born to Pyle's so late in life. It seems to have happened in our large family of cousin's quite frequently. Scott

Scott; My data says that Samuel was born in 1700. I may have misled you. Thanks, I have so much Pyle information, that I may start doing a bit at a time. My ggg-grandfather on my great grandmother's side was Richard Mack, an ancestor of Lucy Mack Smith, the mother of Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet. So I may do some lines on that side. What a combination Quaker and Mormon! Ron ---------- | From: CubsBlue@aol.com | To: pyle-l@rootsweb.com | Subject: Re: Stuff. | Date: Sunday, September 14, 1997 1:18 PM | | In a message dated 97-09-14 13:46:52 EDT, you write: | | << | Was Samuel PYLE 54 years old when his son John Sr. was born in 1723 or am I | missing a generation? Fascinating story! | >> | Quite possible since my father Scott B Pyle was almost 80 when I was born. | | Scott B Pyle II |

In a message dated 97-09-14 13:46:52 EDT, you write: << Was Samuel PYLE 54 years old when his son John Sr. was born in 1723 or am I missing a generation? Fascinating story! >> Quite possible since my father Scott B Pyle was almost 80 when I was born. Scott B Pyle II

Pyle Cousins, Sorry. For those of you who are not on AOL the web address for information on Copyright and Fair Use information is: http://www.cuesta.cc.ca.us/student/SUPPORT/Library/copy.htm

Cousins, Below is a page with several links to authorative information about copyright and fair use. It was created by one of my faculty members. This is a particular interest of mine as a librarian. I also have a son who is a third year law student specializing in intellectual property rights in the electronic environment. Hope this helps in a murky and slippery area. <A HREF="http://www.cuesta.cc.ca.us/student/SUPPORT/Library/copy.htm">Instruc tional Technology Resources - Copyrigh...</A> Dave

Ron, Was Samuel PYLE 54 years old when his son John Sr. was born in 1723 or am I missing a generation? Fascinating story! Dave

Hi Harry, I think that sounds great. I believe you are correct about limited distribution, quoting in parts, or paraphrasing and giving proper credit. Will look forward to seeing that information. Thanks. Sara Harry Liggett wrote: Ohio. I > have seem one reference that said Hinshaw is not reliable info, but it sure > can provide clues for further reseearch. > > Is anyone interested? > > I could send what I have abstracted to the list in three or four parets. I > don't think this should involve any copyright infringement since I just > pulled out what is there on Pyle for fair use and not for profit. I might > be reticent to put it on a website where anyone could pick it up and sell > it, but I see no problem sharing it with a few cousins. > What say you? > > Harry Liggett in Akron, OH E-mail: hliggett@ald.net

Rita; Dr. John Jr.'s son, William was born around 1773 and married Elizabeth Kirby in Kentucky. Their Son William was born in Christain County, KY. around 1800 and he married Hannah Standlee. This William was one of the first ministers in the Christian church in Perry, IL. The story I put out about Dr. John came from Howard Pyle's bluebook, with some from Homer Pyle's "Colonel John Pyle and his people." Also in Howard's bluebook is the letter from the "Revolutionary Papers, Hall of Records," Annapolis, Maryland. Box 13, folder 7, original letters and history. This letter was dated April 26 deals with the capture of John Piles and his son when they first became "Regulators," Obviously they must have escaped. Dr. John Pyle Jr. was severely wounded just prior to the time that he and his father surrendered to Captain O'Neal. John Pyle Jr. was a Captain in the British Cavalry. Captain John was captured several times during the Revolution, but always managed to escape. The reference for these can be found in the D.A.R. Patriotic Index, pg. 552 also, "Dodson, Dotson, Lucas, Pyles, Rochester and Allied Families," by S. Emmett Lucas. Pg. 230 ---------- | From: RiTA33699@aol.com | To: PYLE-L@rootsweb.com | Subject: Re: Stuff. | Date: Sunday, September 14, 1997 8:46 AM | | Ron: | | Thanks for the informative article on Dr. Col. John Pyle. I believe this is | my line. I'm trying to establish that John Jr. had a son, William Rowan. | William R is my ggg-grandfather. I need proof of the connection to John Jr. | You have so much info on him, do you have anything to help me with my | connection? Also, where did this article originate? I'm putting your story | in my "history" file. Thanks again! | | Rita Pyle Davis |

As far as I know, there are no Quakers in my Pyle lineage, but I just went thourgh six volumes of Hinshaw and found tons of them, especially in Ohio. I have seem one reference that said Hinshaw is not reliable info, but it sure can provide clues for further reseearch. Is anyone interested? I could send what I have abstracted to the list in three or four parets. I don't think this should involve any copyright infringement since I just pulled out what is there on Pyle for fair use and not for profit. I might be reticent to put it on a website where anyone could pick it up and sell it, but I see no problem sharing it with a few cousins. What say you? Harry Liggett in Akron, OH E-mail: hliggett@ald.net

Ron: Thanks for the informative article on Dr. Col. John Pyle. I believe this is my line. I'm trying to establish that John Jr. had a son, William Rowan. William R is my ggg-grandfather. I need proof of the connection to John Jr. You have so much info on him, do you have anything to help me with my connection? Also, where did this article originate? I'm putting your story in my "history" file. Thanks again! Rita Pyle Davis

Cousin Doni; The only reason I tagged on that "does Anyone really care" was to see if any one was out there and of course I had way too much schnapp's last night. Doctor John was born at Kennett Square, Chester Pennsylvania. This Nicholas line has always been a puzzle to me. Nicholas 2's daughter Mary married John Newlin. John Newlin and his brother were witness to the will of Doctor John Pyle in North Carolina, although they were all born in Concord Pennsylvania. The mystery in this story lies in the fact that John and Mary's son Eli, born at Cane Creek. North Carolina ended up back in Vermillion County, Indiana as neighbor of my gg-grandfather Robert Pyle. In fact part of the group settled in Dana, Indiana, where cousin Ernie was from. Dr. John's third child was Sarah, who married John Lindley, She was born in 1750 in Harford, Mayland. Our problem is that these people were globetrotters and must have had ant's in their pants, for they never stayed in one place very long. Where ever the action was they had their nose stuck in it. I have my Harvey line figured out back to 940 AD, The Mack's back to early 1500's and my ex-wifes back to 1400 in England. My ex-wifes family kept such excellent records that I followed them from 1975 to 1400 in three days. I have a good idea that when all is said and done, that we will find that John Pile, Gentleman, who landed in Maryland in 1642 with 17 others and 200 servants on the 'Ark' and the 'Dove' tie into this whole mess that we are trying to untangle. I'm supposing that Robert, Nicholas, Ralph, Francis and Richard are all related in some respect. Thanks for listening, Saturday night is my night to howl! Ron ---------- | From: Doni Wright <doniw@interserf.net> | To: Ron Pyle <piguy@goldrush.com> | Subject: On Doc. John | Date: Sunday, September 14, 1997 2:50 AM | | Ron Pyle wrote: | | > Hi; | > Is there any one out there that really cares? | | Ron, I care -- enjoyed your story on the doc. I looked at my Pyle | lineage and I added John Pyle, son of Doc. Samuel Pyle -- please check | out and make sure I have it straight -- I didn't have him before. | | Also, where was he born? Twp, Co. If you fill in the blanks, I will | post. | -- | your cuz, Doni Wright | Lineages: <http://www.interserf.net/doniw> | |