Sara: I have not had any Pyle lists since the 4th. Am I off somehow or are they not coming out? Marjory

I have been off for a couple of days because this @#$%^ machine decide it got tired of the abuse it was getting. (I guess)! I don't know if I'm getting out or not as I have only been picking up spam messages since I got back on my server last night. So if anyone out there hears me, come back with something tangible. Old lonesome me, here in the hills.

Dear cousins, I just wanted to let you know that Rita had surgery yesterday, the 7th. You have probably missed seeing any of her postings recently. (Some of the newer members of our list have no idea who I am writing about here.) At any rate, Rita is still subscribed to the list and is receiving mail. I don't know her postal address so I can't share that with you but I thought for the ones of you that have enjoyed her postings, you might want to drop her an e-mail. I am sure she will get caught up on reading them when she is able and would enjoy hearing from some of us. Sara Plano, Texas

Hi all, We want to welcome J.M. Kirby to the PYLE family list! J.M., when you have time, please tell us about which branch of the PYLE family you are researching. Glad to have you join us! Sara Plano, Texas

With all the new members I thought I'd see if anyone has any information on any of the following: Richard and Lavina Piles. Richard was born 1804, died abt 1861. Lavina was born in 1807 and died in 1875. I don't know her maiden name. Their children are as follows: Thomas Piles (married Louisa O'Dell) Lucinda Piles (married James Barnes) Marinda Piles (married James Fears) Ferba Ann Piles (married Peter B. Casey) (my ggg grandmother) Jane Piles (married ? Dunnigan) Prencely Piles (died young 1838-abt 1855) Thanks, Roger bigblkvet@aol.com

Here are a few pages from my forthcoming book "Meanwhile Back at the Ranch,' that I am doing for my children. the book is due to hit the news stands around the year 2002, if not before. These parts are my interpretation of the 'Pyle Book,' 'Coonrod and His Descendents' and a few pages from Edward Rutherfurds 'Sarum' I hope there's something you can glean from this. Anton's classical dictionary defines the term Pylae as a word used in ancient Greece to describe a narrow passage or gate. Thermopylae or Warm Gates is a pass between Greece and Persia. In the year 480 BC. a great battle occurred between the Persians and 300 Spartans and their allies at Thermopylae. The leader Leonidas sent the allies away when he found that a local Greek betrayed them and the battle was hopeless. The Persians massacred the Spartans and the allies that went home named themselves Pylae in honor of their friends. Julius Caesar and his Roman armies later invaded Briton and among those armies were descendants of the allies from the battle at Thermopylae. When the Romans left Britain, a number of those who had changed their name to Pyle remained in England. The names Pyle/Pile are first found in the 'Domesday Book' by William the Conqueror. William was a Norman King who defeated the Saxons at the battle of Hastings in 1066 and occupied "Old Sarum" or Salisbury until the year 1087. Coming from the North, the North Men or Norman's were actually Vikings that originally settled in Scotland and then in Normandy on the coast of France. They sailed to Britain to engage the Saxon's in 1066 at Hastings. William's "Domesday Book" was an inventory of possessions in the kingdom used for the purpose of taxing his citizens. With it he required that every one have a surname. However, the Pyle surname is in the 'Hundred Roll,' a recap of the battle of Hastings. Our ancestors settled at Wiltshire, famous for Stonehenge and the Salisbury Plains. Medieval Scribes used the name Sarum as an abbreviation for Salisbury. Sounding pleasant to the people of the area, they used "Sarum" to describe the diocese, the town and the area for 750 years. Somewhere between 9,000 and 6,000 BC, Britain and the European mainland separated and during this period a group of sun worshipers from Egypt crossed the land bridges and built Stonehenge as a sort of gigantic calendar. It lies north of Salisbury and close to the River Avon. No other place on earth has generated as much speculation and wild theories as the huge standing stone's at Stonehenge taunting us with mystery. Judging from the history of the area it's possible that some of our ancestors were among those that lifted the huge stones that rest on the pillars at Stonehenge. The earth around Sarum consisted of chalk and a story concerning an uncle of our Robert Pyle, also named Robert, hired a contractor to carve into one of these chalk hills a figure of a gigantic horse. The figure was fifty yards from nose to tail and after taking Robert Pile's money, the contractor laid out the outline and disappeared, leaving Robert to finish the project. These chalk hill carvings are all over Wiltshire and number nine at the last count. In many cases they are more of a tourist attraction than the Druidical remains and Stonehenge that are nearby. The manor farm that Robert Pile was a tenant, is the property of New College, to which institution it was given by William of Wykeham. Howard and Jane's big book recorded early history concerning the Pyles of Wiltshire and they provide reference for every fact noted. John Piles, Gentleman, granted Patent of "New Sarum" in 1642 in the state of Maryland came from Salisbury and arrived in Maryland with sixteen other gentlemen and 200 servants on two ships, "The Ark and The Dove." These were some of the first of the Pile/Pyle ancestors to set foot on the "New World!" "The World Book of Pyles," states that Peter Wilson Coldham in his book "European Origins." "Bonded Passengers to America," published by Baltimore Genealogical Publishing Company, on page 40 lists another William Pyle arriving in Baltimore in 1720. The Maryland Pyles are among those I suspect of being my direct ancestral line. Ron, the informer

Charlene, thanks for posting the humor! It really helps to spread some laughs! Sara

Loved the poem! Can I share your egg carton? Dixie Jordan Rusty6356@aol.com (Still looking for Mary Ann PILES in KY and IL)

My sister sent me this the other day, It brought a smile to my face and I thought how true. I started out calmly, tracing my tree, To find if I could find the makings of me. And all that I had was Great-grandfather's name, Now knowing his wife or from where he came. I checked him in Europe and then to the States, And came up with pages and pages of dates. When all put together, it made me forlorn, I think I proved Great-grandpa had never been born. One day I was sure the truth I had found, My brain was just going around and around, I looked up the record of that Son-of-a-gun, Then I found the old man was not the right one. Then when my hopes were fast growing dim, I came across records that must have been him. The facts I collected made me quite sad, Dear old Great grandpa was never a Dad. I think that someone's been pulling my leg, I am not at all sure I wasn't hatched from an egg. After hundreds of dollars I've spent on my tree, I can't help but wonder,"Am I really me!". Author Unknown

This post is from Rob Gibbs. I am searching for information on: Josephus Amuset Pyle b. 2 April 1860 Kewanee, Henry Co. Ill m. 3 April 1879 to Mary Maria Campbell in Osceola, NEB d. 26 Feb 1931 in Lincoln, NEB James Craven Pyle b. 22 NOV 1827 m. 10 OCT 1849 to Eleanor Marlott d. 16 OCT 1862 in Guernsey County, Ohio Samuel Pyle b. 1792 in Pennsylvania m. 1 April 1828 d. before 1880 in Kewanne, Henry County, Il. I assembling information on my mother's ancestors. I would be eager to share information with others who are tracking Crawfords, Campbells and/or Pyles who moved from Virginia to Maryland to Pennsylvania, then westward to Nebraska.

Who was the John Pile\Pyle who married 6 Mar 1843 Brown Co. IL to Elizabeth M. Buzbee?. Apparently he died or they divorced as she m/2 25 Aug 1846 Schuyler Co. IL to Samuel Green. Patrick Murray pat.murray@juno.com

Ron, Sorry I am slow about getting back to you. Can you tie your Leonard to my Leonard with the information I sent you? Brenda

I was in Quitman, Wood Co., TX today and found a little info about a man named O.P.Pyle. He's no relation to me, but thought it might be of benefit to someone somewhere. "The Mineola Courier was published by O.P.Pyle in the early 1890's. In 1894, Pyle aroused the wrath of Frank M. Sewell, editor of The Mineola Monitor as well as the enmity of Alfred Padon, editor of the Wood County Democrat. Pyle, a Populist, was in the wrong camp asn wa being lamasted by both newpapers. The Monitor solved the problem by following its usual practice of buying the opposition paper." -excerpt from Wood County 1850-1900 compiled and published by The Wood County Historical Society. From the "History of Mineola" by Lucille Jones, O.P. is also mentioned as owning a paper called "The National Co-Operator". O.P. and his wife built a home that is a historical landmark in Mineola. Their builder was a local craftsman, Alexander Wren and his brothers, William and Frank assisted in the planning and construction. The Pyle house was built on land purchased from A.H. Houston in 1898. The Pyles built a Victorian home in 1903-1904 which was later sold to J.S Reese, then W.D Kitchens, and in 1924 to the then-Mayor of Mineola, E. A. Tharp. The Tharps passed the home down to relatives. I don't know anything else about O.P., unfortunately. I'd love to know if anyone is related to him that is on the list. Another piece of trivia- Benjamin Garrett and his wife Mary Catherine Pyle came to Wood Co., between 1855-1860 and settled there. I don't know if they are any relation to O.P.,. I do have a book with a picture of O.P., if anyone wants a copy of the picture. RLH

We want to welcome Rob Gibbs to the PYLE family list! Rob, when you have time, please tell us a little about yourself and the PYLE(S) line you are researching. All posts must be sent to PYLE-L@rootsweb.com If you are responding to a query, please respond to the PYLE-L list so that the response goes to the list as well as the person making the query. The reason for this request is that someone else may have information to share or be able to get a clue on their research, by reading the exchange of e-mails. Please utilize the subject line by putting a name and location, if possible. Or perhaps, you have some information to share on another topic, for instance, migration patterns. If you are posting a very long document or gedcom, then it should be done in 2 or 3 postings rather than the whole thing at once. For instance, you might be sending xxx pt. 1, xxx pt. 2, xxx pt 3, etc. The reason for this is very simply that some providers cannot handle large pieces of mail at one time. I know that AOL has been having some problems with this. Please DO NOT send attachments to the list because there has been a problem with that on some servers. If you have a document that is too large to do a cut and paste, then post a description of it to the list to see who might want it sent directly. If you have any questions about the list or you are not sure of what to do, please e-mail me at pyle@airmail.net Sara Broughton Pyle pyle@airmail.net RootsWeb Sponsor rob gibbs wrote: > > subscribe

I addressed this wrong to get a copy to the list. Thank you for understanding. Ron ---------- | From: Ron Pyle <piguy@goldrush.com> | To: Teague Family <BBACKdoor@mari.net> | Cc: PYLE-L@rootsweb | Subject: Re: PYLE | Date: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 6:15 AM | | Becky; | | I have never been able to link to the Nicholas Pyle line and have always | considered myself more toward the Francis or Richard line. | | One of the big mysteries to this whole affair involves the move from North | Carolina back to Vermillion County, Indiana by Eli Newlin and his | descendants. This made them neighbors of my great-grandparents and their | ancestors. Robert and Martha Pyle were from Eugene Township. | Eli was the son of Mary Pyle (dau of Nicholas Pyle) and John Newlin. | | John Newlin was a witness to the will of Colonel John | | Another mystery, no one seems to answer for me is how did Chadd's Ford | become such an artist's haven under the direction of Howard Pyle | (Descendant Of Robert 1), when it was developed by members of the Raph Pile | line. | | The assumption has always been that Robert and Ralph (brothers, but using | different name styles and separated by their religious beliefs) were never | close. | | I'm beginning to think that all these families were closer than we think | and were in constant communication with one another. | | Just a point I've been pondering. | | Any other thought's? | | Ron Pyle | | ---------- | | From: Teague Family <BBACKdoor@mari.net> | | To: piguy@goldrush.com | | Subject: PYLE | | Date: Monday, September 29, 1997 10:27 PM | | | | There is a book called PYLE-PILE Family in America 1642-1980, written by | a | | Howard T. Pyle & Jane Weaver Pyle of Kokomo IN 1981. This line descended | | from Nicholas Pyle & Abigail Bushell of Chester Co. PA (next to Lancaster | | Co). Their son Samuel b. 21 December 1700, wife Sarah. Other children | were | | Samuel & Edith (Newlin) and Nicholas. Perhaps your William is related to | | these names a generation or so back. (My connection is with Newlin so | this | | is all the info. I can help you with). Becky. | | |

hecking into William Pyle the Younger (I think) - anyway, the William that > ended up in Antiqua. I think they were trying to determine his parentage. > Did anything ever come of that? Hi Becky, Well, I don't know about what happened about that William and I didn't ask Howard. Guess I can drop him a line to ask. BTW, Howard has the book re-published, I'll bet it will be more, if they go far the same type of binding, etc. I was told that before he sold out, he was charging about $100.00 for the book. Sara

> >Have you ever seen one of the books, Dave? I paid around $80.00 for it >quite a few years ago. > >Sara > > Ouch!!! I'll treat mine very kindly!!! My father-in-law gave it to me several years ago. In one of the appendices, Howard mentioned that he had lawyers checking into William Pyle the Younger (I think) - anyway, the William that ended up in Antiqua. I think they were trying to determine his parentage. Did anything ever come of that? Becky Kenton Pyle (becky@4you.net) 541 Bloomfield Ave.; Urbana, Champaign Co., OH 43078 BARBER BRATTAIN COLCLAZIER DE FOREST DILTZ FOX HEDGES HENDERSHOT HOUCK KENTON KENNARD SALZMAN SPENCER VAUSE

Rhonda; My grandfather and Ernie's father were first cousins. They never knew it, but I always asked and was told no way when I was a lad. Ernie would have made a great role model for me. Instead I got "Gomer." The National Journalists Association have committed to celebrate the anniversary of his death each year on the 18th of April. Here is a story I picked up off the wire in tribute to the men who are war correspondents: I've often remarked that cemeteries are for the living. To walk through a quiet, garden-like compound marked with memorial stones provokes reflection. Though many are frightened at the prospect of traversing a graveyard, such a stroll can serve to remind us of our mortality and help us recall those who left behind the same work we are doing. Late last year, business took me to Hawaii, and good timing allowed my wife to make the trip, giving us four days in Waikiki without the children. For me, it was a first. I've crossed the Pacific Ocean numerous times since moving to Japan, but this was the first time I'd ever set foot on the soil of our 50th state. As would any good first-time tourist, I took a tour of the Waikiki-Pearl Harbor area. We visited the Arizona Memorial, drove through Chinatown, stopped on a wharf not far from the Aloha Tower, and drove through the Punchbowl to visit the war memorial cemetery on the hill. The tour bus on which we were riding merely made a pass through the cemetery, stopping briefly so passengers could admire some spindly legged birds on the lawn. I looked out the window at the headstones. We had parked directly in front of the grave of Ernie Pyle, with the headstones of two unknown soldiers flanking the famous reporter's resting place. According to our guide, being buried between two unknown soldiers was one of Pyle's requests. Pyle died on April 18, 1945. A sniper's bullet killed him on the island of Ie Shima, just off the coast of Okinawa, where island-hopping American forces were making a push toward mainland Japan. In previous tributes written about him, it's been said that Pyle died because he didn't duck. He apparently looked up to check that his companions were O.K. and that's when the sniper's bullet found him. Saying that he didn't duck is itself a tribute to Pyle's doggedness in covering the war; he didn't duck danger. He covered the blitz of London; he covered the landing on the beaches of Anzio; and when the assignment came, he went halfway around the world to cover the other front in Okinawa. April 18 -- the date of Pyle's death -- has been officially designated as National Columnists Day in honor of Pyle. The organization that pushed for the official day, the National Society of Newspaper Columnists, wants the memory of Pyle to remind those of us who write for a living of what comprises the best attributes of an American columnist. The society urges columnists to remember Pyle and write about him each year as this anniversary of his death comes around. Pyle is warmly remembered and accolades for him continue even 50 years after his death. It truly impresses me that Pyle remembered and asked to be buried among the unknowns who fought and died in defense of their country. Pyle dropped out of Indiana University in 1923, short of a degree, but eager to go to work as a journalist. Before he became famous covering World War II, Pyle was a national columnist who had crossed the United States 35 times. When he did go to war, Pyle knew the danger. He said ``there's just no way to play it completely safe and still do your job.'' When then-President Harry Truman spoke to the nation of Pyle's death, he said, ``No man in this war has so well told the story of the American fighting man as American fighting men wanted it told.'' I think Pyle wouldn't have minded one bit that I'm going to attend to a lesser known soldier. My colleagues in the N.S.N.C. will forgive me and understand, I think, if I divert my attention on April 18 of this year from Ernie Pyle and remember someone else. I never knew this soldier, but his name is on an award we give annually to military journalists, and his story is mounted with photos in display cases in our lobby at Stars and Stripes in Tokyo. His name, along with two others who worked for Stars and Stripes, is engraved in the new Arlington, Va., Freedom Forum Memorial to journalists who died doing their job. Twenty-eight years ago, a gutsy newspaper reporter, cut from the same material as Pyle, argued his way into being given orders to report to Vietnam to cover the war there for Pacific Stars and Stripes. Paul D. Savanuck dropped out of college -- enroute to a journalism degree -- at the University of Maryland in his senior year in 1967 to join the Army. Echoes of Ernie Pyle seem to lie in his decision. A native of Baltimore -- born the year after Pyle died -- Savanuck volunteered for duty in Vietnam. He did so as a challenge to himself. ``This was a point in my life where I could meet something head-on instead of avoiding it,'' the 21-year-old told a colleague. Again, an echo of Pyle's words regarding danger is clear. There's just no way to avoid it, Savanuck might have said. I can't know for sure, but I have a feeling that Savanuck read just about every word that Pyle wrote. In the small record we have of Savanuck's war days, Pyle's shadow seems to loom large. Pushing to become a Stars and Stripes reporter, Savanuck finally got his wish on April 4, 1969, when he was assigned to Stripes' news bureau in Saigon. He filed a story with accompanying photos on a Philippine unit operating near the Cambodian border. It was the last story he wrote. In a letter back to his parents and on a letter accompanying his attempt to gain admission to Harvard, Savanuck had written: ``I have found what I want to do . . . journalism, . . .'' Volunteering to do a story on pacification in the DMZ, Savanuck headed north. He camped with a cavalry regiment that was attacked by North Vietnamese troops. Wounded while taking pictures, he discarded his camera and rushed to help more seriously wounded soldiers. He was hit in the back by automatic weapon fire. He was 23 years old when he died. The date was April 18, 1969. On that day, Ernie Pyle, 1900-1945, met Paul D. Savanuck, 1946-1969, journalist. A small bit of Irony Ron Pyle ---------- | From: donald roeder <droeder@hotmail.com> | To: piguy@goldrush.com | Subject: E.PYLE | Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 9:02 PM | | Is your Great Uncle Ernie Pyle the famous War correspondent near Dana, | Indiana? Indiana Museum has some sort of Dedication to him.. RHONDA | droeder@hotmail.com | | ______________________________________________________ | Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Dear cousins, I spoke with Howard just a few minutes ago. He sounds pretty good but says he isn't doing genealogy anymore...too old and just not up to do doing things the way he used to. He said he has had quite a few telephone calls about his book and now he and his publisher are talking about reprinting it. I didn't even bring up my idea after he said that. He mentioned that he thought there might be used copies sold by some genealogical houses "in Vermont, Baltimore, and somewhere else". He took my name and address and said he would write me if they decide to reprint. I told him about our internet family but I don't know that he really understood what I was talking about. Well, I guess we'll have to continue this way a little longer. I suppose in the future we might have to deal with his publishing house. We never could have just added things Howard's book though. I think we will have to do our own. Facts cannot be copyrighted, it is the expression of those facts that is copyrighted. One can excerpt with permission and proper credit given and there are probably some other legalities that I am not thinking of, at the moment, as well. Some of you have some great stories to tell (I am fascinated by the Brazilian Pyles and the oil money waiting Pyles) and have already put together your lines practically back to Adam, so you may be ready to publish something. But some of us, like me, are still struggling along with just a few generations in the West Virginia hills. I guess we'll have to wait and try again. sigh. Sara

Here is Joe's reply. I am forwarding it to the list. BTW, there isn't anything in the book that I have been able to tie my husband's line in yet either. Still, it is a good reference and maybe some day.... Sara > > I would like to participate. I reviewed the book at the DAR LIbrary in > DC and found it to be very comprehensive, but lacking in my specific > side of the family. > > Count me in! > > Joe W. Pyle > j.pyle@computer.org > >----------