Yes, it seems that way, Sandy Monmouth Co., NJ Surnames: TILTON & HARRIS, PYLE & MORAN Mercer Co., KY Surnames: PATTERSON & BUNTON, LAWSON & McGINNIS All things are difficult before they are easy. -John Norley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Chapman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 8:25 PM Subject: [PYLE] Hello out there > I haven't seen any messages from this normally active list in several > days. Am I still connected? > > Debbie > > > ==== PYLE Mailing List ==== > Not sure how to sub/unsub? Contact Sara at > [email protected] > Copyright 2000-Author retains copyright >

Shirl, Another comment on the Orange Co NC - Sumner Co TN connection: You sent a deed wherein Isaac PYLE (this spelling; presumably the son of James, Senior) bought 130 acres on Big Creek of Haw River from a Joseph SILLIVAN in 1798. In 1805, Isaac sold the same tract (same description in the deed) to James PYLE, Junior (presumably his brother). These deeds are important for this reason: The land is noted in both deeds to be part of a William SMOTHERS grant, and John SMOTHERS is noted to own bounding property. This increases the likelihood in my mind that PILESs and SMOTHERSs migrated together from Orange Co NC (where they appears as neighbors in these deeds) to Sumner Co TN (where two PILESs married two SMOTHERSs, in 1825 and 1833). Seems pretty likely that Isaac PILES/PYLE who surfaces in Smith and Sumner Co TN by 1820 was the same Isaac who disappeared from Orange County NC sometime after 1805. Jim Smee Pittsburgh PA

Jim, I'm afraid this is going to come as a suprise to all the Kaufman County, Tex. descendants of "Old" Nicholas -Are there any of you on this line?...if so please contact me!! If any of the other cousins, descended from John, Thomas, James B. Samuel, Abraham, Peter and Sarah (Pyle) Westbrook are curious please contact me and I'll try to simplify if. Doris Pyle Haynes, descendant of John and Thurza (Kilgore) Pyle [email protected]

That site does not work for me either, and I have tried many search engines. I did note today that it did work for someone. Does anyone know what my problem might be. Charlotte Elise Richers Sterling, gg granddaughter of Harriet Atwood (Pyle) Hughes

Charlotte, Just take your pointer on your mouse and put it under the address on the message and click your mouse. It will take you there. You will not need a search for the address. Vickie Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [PYLE] Jonathan Jackson POILL, son of Nicholas PYLE(?) > That site does not work for me either, and I have tried many search engines. > I did note today that it did work for someone. Does anyone know what my > problem might be. > > Charlotte Elise Richers Sterling, > gg granddaughter of Harriet Atwood (Pyle) Hughes > > > ==== PYLE Mailing List ==== > PYLE Listowner- Sara B. Pyle > [email protected] > Copyright 2000-Author retains copyright > >

Charlotte, Try the following link http://www.thorntongale.org/Genealogy/J_J_Poill/J_J_Poill.htm notice that if the above is not all on one line then you'll have to copy the entire line from "http:" to ".htm" and paste it into the top line of your browser then press the ENTER key. Hope that helps Thornton Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [PYLE] Jonathan Jackson POILL, son of Nicholas PYLE(?) > That site does not work for me either, and I have tried many search engines. > I did note today that it did work for someone. Does anyone know what my > problem might be. > > Charlotte Elise Richers Sterling, > gg granddaughter of Harriet Atwood (Pyle) Hughes > > > ==== PYLE Mailing List ==== > PYLE Listowner- Sara B. Pyle > [email protected] > Copyright 2000-Author retains copyright > >

I'm inquiring about this person for someone on another list. She has a Chester Co., PA Sarah Pyle who married in 1785 at Concord MM to Joseph Peirce 1761-1847. They had a son Cyrus and 2 other children. Sarah Pyle was the dau of Isaac Pyle and Jane Newlin. Apparently this is all she knows. She is looking for Sarah's dates, more on her ancestry and children. Thanks to all the terrific people on this list. Debbie

I just tried at 1:30 P.M. CST, 9/6/00, and it worked fine. Carolyn At 10:55 AM 09/06/2000 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 9/5/2000 11:56:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: > ><< http://www.thorntongale.org/Genealogy/J_J_Poill/J_J_Poill.htm. >> > > >Emma Vealey [email protected] >This sight does not work > > >==== PYLE Mailing List ==== >Keep up activity,post queries/ replies to the list. >Copyright 2000-Author retains copyright > >

In a message dated 9/5/2000 11:56:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << http://www.thorntongale.org/Genealogy/J_J_Poill/J_J_Poill.htm. >> Emma Vealey [email protected] This sight does not work

Just clicked on the address and it worked fine. Not our line but this story is so interesting and fun to follow. Vickie Stewart Gilman, Iowa ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [PYLE] Jonathan Jackson POILL, son of Nicholas PYLE(?) > In a message dated 9/5/2000 11:56:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << http://www.thorntongale.org/Genealogy/J_J_Poill/J_J_Poill.htm. >> > > > Emma Vealey [email protected] > This sight does not work > > > ==== PYLE Mailing List ==== > Keep up activity,post queries/ replies to the list. > Copyright 2000-Author retains copyright > >

This posting is in response to the fascinating information found at Thornton GALE's website, http://www.thorntongale.org/Genealogy/J_J_Poill/J_J_Poill.htm. Anyone with an interest in the Georgia PILES Families, and in particular, Samuel PILES and Charity EASON and descendants should take a look. Thornton, I have come to believe that your Jonathan Jackson (I'll call him J.J.) POILL is the known son John PILES/PYLE born to Nicholas PYLE and Mary Ann WESTBROOK. My best guess had been that John was born c1836, after Everitt (born DEC 1832) and Nicholas, Junior (born c1834). This meshes reasonably well with the 1880 census information for J.J. (age 42, thus born c1838), before Jonathan's birth year began to creep backwards in time with later census. Also, J.J. reports that he was their third child, which fits our understanding for John. Finally, one report has J.J. born in Kemper Co MS, which is where the Nicholas PYLE Family was living in the late 1830s. The dark secret that your mother and aunt felt J.J. POILL might have held is probably the 1853-1854 Shelby Co AL assault case in which Nicholas, Junior and John were defendants. This episode presumably hurt the family, strained Nicholas Senior's finances to their limit, and undoubtedly contributed to the breakup of the marriage of Nicholas and Mary (which is another candidate for the dark secret). I can imagine that John lit out on his own as a young adult about this time, and in an effort to avoid the past, altered his name, his age, and his personal history. His brother Nicholas, the other defendant, seems to have done the same thing. He left the family before 1860, and reportedly claimed in the 1880 census that his father was born in Ireland and his mother in Holland (need to verify this report). If this theory regarding J.J. is true, then it doesn't leave much time for the fanciful history of 1) being taken by his uncle John (WESTBROOK?; didn't Nicholas Senior have something to say about this? And why weren't Everitt and Nicholas, Junior similarly rescued from an abusive step-mother?); 2) traveling to IL, LA, AR, TN, AL, AR again, and finally TX; 3) being "given" to a government agent, Captain SNODDY and then to a Cherokee Indian to be raised; 4) joining the TX Rangers in 1844; 5) escorting wagon trains to TX and CA (later 1840s); 6) quitting the TX Rangers (1852); and 7) going to Oregon Territory by 1856. It all seems a bit much. J.J. POILL mentions a Rome, Floyd Co GA connection for his father, Nicholas. This sounds right, but I think that happened in the late 1840s, when Nicholas appears in land and promissory-note records, not in the 1830s. Some of the supposed history from the 1924 interview with J.J. ought to be verifiable (or refutable). What was the event when the "stars fell", in 1833? Was that an unusual meteor shower, or a comet? Sounds like an event that could be found in astronomical history. Can the TX Ranger service be verified? Was there a Captain DOTY? Were the rangers fighting and killing Cherokee and Apache Indians in TX in the 1840s? What is the source of the information that J.J. arrived in OR by 1856? 1856 is about the time that the Shelby Co AL difficulties were coming to a head. John PYLE (born c1836) would have reached adulthood about then, and might have set out on his own. The court case was resolved in 1854. Nicholas PYLE's marriage seems to have broken up in the 1856-1858 time frame. Can you not find J.J. POILL/POILE/PYLE/etc in the 1860 and 1870 census for Oregon? What about Civil War service. I suppose if J.J. were a resident of Oregon at the time, he may not have been called upon to serve. Now the kicker in all of this is that, depending upon what you want to believe from the 1924 interview, Mary from the 1860 Shelby Co AL census may not have been Mary Ann WESTBROOK. J.J. says he was the third of four born to WESTBROOK, in which case the children born after about 1840 would have been children of Nicholas, but born to a different Mary. The marriage to the second Mary must have taken place in Kemper Co MS, where Nicholas lived in that era. I've never seen such a record, so I don't know what to believe here. Regardless, it sure feels to me like your J.J. POILL is the known son John of Nicholas PYLE, Senior. Comments appreciated. Jim Smee Pittsburgh PA

Jim, Thank you so much for your precise analysis - I think you're really on to something here. I will respond in greater detail in a day or two. But you did ask: "What was the event when the "stars fell", in 1833? Was that an unusual meteor shower, or a comet? Sounds like an event that could be found in astronomical history". Your right - it is a well-documented event in astronomical history. Justine M. Sanders (a Westbrook researcher) pointed out the following article to me on this event: http://www.skypub.com/sights/meteors/leonids/leonids_1833.html Best regards, Thornton Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:53 PM Subject: [PYLE] Jonathan Jackson POILL, son of Nicholas PYLE(?) > This posting is in response to the fascinating information found at Thornton > GALE's website, > http://www.thorntongale.org/Genealogy/J_J_Poill/J_J_Poill.htm. Anyone with > an interest in the Georgia PILES Families, and in particular, Samuel PILES > and Charity EASON and descendants should take a look. > > Thornton, > > I have come to believe that your Jonathan Jackson (I'll call him J.J.) POILL > is the known son John PILES/PYLE born to Nicholas PYLE and Mary Ann > WESTBROOK. My best guess had been that John was born c1836, after Everitt > (born DEC 1832) and Nicholas, Junior (born c1834). This meshes reasonably > well with the 1880 census information for J.J. (age 42, thus born c1838), > before Jonathan's birth year began to creep backwards in time with later > census. Also, J.J. reports that he was their third child, which fits our > understanding for John. Finally, one report has J.J. born in Kemper Co MS, > which is where the Nicholas PYLE Family was living in the late 1830s. > > The dark secret that your mother and aunt felt J.J. POILL might have held is > probably the 1853-1854 Shelby Co AL assault case in which Nicholas, Junior > and John were defendants. This episode presumably hurt the family, strained > Nicholas Senior's finances to their limit, and undoubtedly contributed to the > breakup of the marriage of Nicholas and Mary (which is another candidate for > the dark secret). I can imagine that John lit out on his own as a young > adult about this time, and in an effort to avoid the past, altered his name, > his age, and his personal history. His brother Nicholas, the other > defendant, seems to have done the same thing. He left the family before > 1860, and reportedly claimed in the 1880 census that his father was born in > Ireland and his mother in Holland (need to verify this report). > > If this theory regarding J.J. is true, then it doesn't leave much time for > the fanciful history of 1) being taken by his uncle John (WESTBROOK?; didn't > Nicholas Senior have something to say about this? And why weren't Everitt > and Nicholas, Junior similarly rescued from an abusive step-mother?); 2) > traveling to IL, LA, AR, TN, AL, AR again, and finally TX; 3) being "given" > to a government agent, Captain SNODDY and then to a Cherokee Indian to be > raised; 4) joining the TX Rangers in 1844; 5) escorting wagon trains to TX > and CA (later 1840s); 6) quitting the TX Rangers (1852); and 7) going to > Oregon Territory by 1856. It all seems a bit much. > > J.J. POILL mentions a Rome, Floyd Co GA connection for his father, Nicholas. > This sounds right, but I think that happened in the late 1840s, when Nicholas > appears in land and promissory-note records, not in the 1830s. > > Some of the supposed history from the 1924 interview with J.J. ought to be > verifiable (or refutable). What was the event when the "stars fell", in > 1833? Was that an unusual meteor shower, or a comet? Sounds like an event > that could be found in astronomical history. > > Can the TX Ranger service be verified? Was there a Captain DOTY? Were the > rangers fighting and killing Cherokee and Apache Indians in TX in the 1840s? > > What is the source of the information that J.J. arrived in OR by 1856? 1856 > is about the time that the Shelby Co AL difficulties were coming to a head. > John PYLE (born c1836) would have reached adulthood about then, and might > have set out on his own. The court case was resolved in 1854. Nicholas > PYLE's marriage seems to have broken up in the 1856-1858 time frame. > > Can you not find J.J. POILL/POILE/PYLE/etc in the 1860 and 1870 census for > Oregon? > > What about Civil War service. I suppose if J.J. were a resident of Oregon at > the time, he may not have been called upon to serve. > > Now the kicker in all of this is that, depending upon what you want to > believe from the 1924 interview, Mary from the 1860 Shelby Co AL census may > not have been Mary Ann WESTBROOK. J.J. says he was the third of four born to > WESTBROOK, in which case the children born after about 1840 would have been > children of Nicholas, but born to a different Mary. The marriage to the > second Mary must have taken place in Kemper Co MS, where Nicholas lived in > that era. I've never seen such a record, so I don't know what to believe > here. > > Regardless, it sure feels to me like your J.J. POILL is the known son John of > Nicholas PYLE, Senior. > > Comments appreciated. > > Jim Smee > Pittsburgh PA > > > ==== PYLE Mailing List ==== > All genealogy discussion lists can be found at: > http://members.aol.com/johnf14246/gen_mail.html > Copyright 2000-Author retains copyright >

George: James Pyle SR of Orange co. NC is my 5th gr. grandfather. I am descended through Caleb Pyle this is the part of the family that made the move to middle TN. in the early 1830's, Marshall Co. Giles Co. and Lincoln Co. TN. What I have on William Pyle son of James Pyle SR is that he died intestate abt 1832 He was married to a Hannah (ukn) children include Joel C. Pyle Lydia Pyle married Jacob Friddle Hester Pyle , I believe this is the one that married James Pyle the son of James Pyle JR. Mary Ann Pyle Jeremiah Pyle Rachel Pyle Sarah Pyle What happened to William at this time I do not know, I have found a William Pyle in the 1830 census of Lincoln Co. TN along with a Joseph Pyle this would be possible as Henry Pyle , Williams nephew was at that time living in Giles TN. In 1830 most of the southeast corner of Giles co. was a part of Lincoln co. Tn I do believe that this was William and Joseph Pyle and I haven,t been able to find them again . Its like a dead end here on this one. Robert Sauls [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: george pyle <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:46 AM Subject: [PYLE] James Pyle >I ran across James Pyle's will signed and sealed on April 15, 1820 in >Orange County, North Carolina and proved in August 1823. His wife was >named as Sarah Pyle. He mentioned 7 children in the will. Sons: William, >Isaac, Caleb, Joseph, John. Daughters: Whittention, Rachel Cook. He also >mentions his grandsons Henry, son of Caleb Pyle; Moses, son of Isaac Pyle; >Garrett, son of John Pyle; and his great grand daughter Rebecca Pyle. > >Does any one have this link of the Pyle family? I am wondering if this could >be my great great grandfather William Pyle. He would have been 18 years >old in 1823 and could have left North Carolina and gone to Sumner County >Tennessee where he married in 1825 and where his four children were born. >I have been searching for my gg grandfathers parents for years and this is >the first time a James Pyle has been in the picture. Can anyone help me >here? > >George >[email protected] > > > > > > >==== PYLE Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe, write [email protected] with just the word unsubscribe in the message area. >Copyright 2000-Author retains copyright >

I ran across James Pyle's will signed and sealed on April 15, 1820 in Orange County, North Carolina and proved in August 1823. His wife was named as Sarah Pyle. He mentioned 7 children in the will. Sons: William, Isaac, Caleb, Joseph, John. Daughters: Whittention, Rachel Cook. He also mentions his grandsons Henry, son of Caleb Pyle; Moses, son of Isaac Pyle; Garrett, son of John Pyle; and his great grand daughter Rebecca Pyle. Does any one have this link of the Pyle family? I am wondering if this could be my great great grandfather William Pyle. He would have been 18 years old in 1823 and could have left North Carolina and gone to Sumner County Tennessee where he married in 1825 and where his four children were born. I have been searching for my gg grandfathers parents for years and this is the first time a James Pyle has been in the picture. Can anyone help me here? George [email protected]

Mr. Thornton: You indicated that your JJ Poile was son of Nicholas Pyle and Mary Westbrook...I won't argue with you there (but would like more proof), but the "Uncle John" referred to in the story was certainly not John Pyle, 1796-1869, who was a brother to this Nicholas and was my gg grandfather. He was in Montgomery County, Texas by the mid 1830's - 1835 to be exact and he is too well documented to have been the "rover and adventurer" described. He was never in Ill, Ark or Tenn. And there's no evidence that a nephew, Jonathon Jackson Poiles came to Texas with him. He did, however, have a SON, Jonathon Jackson Pyle, born 1836 (my great grandfather) who married Amanda McLennon in Conroe, Montgomery Co., Tex. in 1856 and never ventured any further than moving to Kaufman County about 1859 and lived there until he died in 1920. I just wanted to clear this up on the list as there are many of this branch of the family who are online here and know of the well documented history behind our family. I personally think you have the wrong man. Doris in west Texas

Fellow Pyles, Piles, Pfeils and Poiles: I am looking for descendants of JOHN J. PILE (or Pyle), born about 1852 in Sullivan County, Tennessee and descendants of CHARLES S. PILE (or Pyle), born about 1855 in Sullivan County, Tennessee. These two may have moved west sometime after 1870 but I'm not sure. Charles Pyle Richmond, VA

It is confusing. I don't think there is any actual connection between the English and German families - although the the Latin root of both "Pyle" and "Pfeil" is the same. Both names derive from the Latin word "pilum," meaning a sharp shaft. The English name designated someone who lived at or near a pile - a dwelling enclosed with a palisade of piles, sharpened logs driven into the ground. The German name, Pfeil, means arrow and designates someone who made arrows or other weapons. The corresponding English name would be Fletcher. I believe the Fentress County family founded by Coonrod (Conrad) and my Sullivan County family founded by George are related. Charles Pyle Richmond, VA

According to my notes Alford was not a son to Coonrod, but a grandson. One source I found was 36567.FTW (Family Treemaker). Alford is shown as born in 1806 in Kentucky, Frances is 9/4/1822 unknown. According to this source, there were 8 children of Alford--Hettie A., Daniel Boone (I have found other lists that do not show Daniel as a part of this line), Len, Harrison, James, Hester, Henry and George. According to this source, Alford was the son of Daniel W. and Mary Atkinson. Daniels father, of course, was Coonrod. My long established line is Coonrod, Jacob, Johnson, David, Walter and Cline. Daniel was a brother and very close to Jacob. This internet group can be very confusing because there are at least two lines that dominate the discussion. The most active seems clearly out of England (Nicholas, John et al) and the other line just "appears" out of Tennessee (Conrad/Coonrod). The former is linked to upper class, the latter are the long hunters/explorers/runaways/adventurers. If the two families are linked, it would be back in Europe, long before the America stories. One theory for linkage would be that both lines came from Germany (the Pfeil, Peil, Piel, Poyle, Poile names), one stopping in England, the other later coming directly from Germany to fight with the English. I believe they are unrelated, based on the different sensibilities of the two lines, but that is a guess. -----Original Message----- From: Paul & Vicki Graff [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 12:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: FW: [PYLE] Alford Pyles -Okay, this feels like math class. Everyone gets "it" but me. Is Coonrad/ Conrad related to this line? Is he Alford's Dad? Does anyone have this family? Descendants of Alford Pyles 1 Alford Pyles b: Abt. 1823 in Illinois . +Francis W. Jones m: May 21, 1840 in Adams/Brown Co., IL ..... 2 Hettie A. Pyles b: December 18, 1845 ..... 2 Daniel Boone Pyles b: Abt. 1847 d: in Arkansas ......... +Sarah Francisea Burgess b: Abt. 1842 in Louisville, Kentucky m: October 22, 1868 in Christian Co., Kentucky ..... 2 Len Pyles b: Abt. 1849 ..... 2 Harrison Pyles b: Abt. 1851 ..... 2 James Pyles b: Abt. 1853 Any leads off any of these families would be nice ... I am from Daniel Pyles and Sarah (Fanny) Burgess, but would like to find out about the siblings if possible.... I have pictures of all the sons, not of Hettie however if anyone is interested. Father Alford is the farthest back I have been able to go .... bob [email protected] ==== PYLE Mailing List ==== Not sure how to sub/unsub? Contact Sara at [email protected] 1999 Copyright ==== PYLE Mailing List ==== Keep up activity,post queries/ replies to the list. Copyright 2000-Author retains copyright

Hey, I'm just down the road from Mansfield, Ar. See what I can find out. Tammy

I would gladly share any information on my Pyles line if only someone would claim us. Still looking for anything about my grandfather, Jesse James Pyles born in Mansfield,Ar. in 1893 and orphaned about 1896. Lonnie