In a message dated 12/4/2003 7:05:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, jokela@mt.net writes: > According to 1850 Carroll County, MO census: > Joel C. Pyle b. abt 1811 pl. NC > Mary Ann b. abt 1820 pl. IN > Crystal, I think your Joel PYLE/PILES goes back to James PILES of Orange Co NC. In James' 1820 will, he names son William PILES. Thereafter, in William PILES' 1832 Orange Co NC will, he names son Joel PILES. Lots of these Orange Co NC folks wound up in Indiana (predominantly Bartholomew County in the middle of the state) by the 1840s and 1850s. Joel C. PILES/PYLE (c1811?->1850?) married Mary Ann LIVINGSTON 1 MAR 1840 in Dearborn Co IN. He is possibly Joel PILES in 1830 Frankfurt, Franklin Co KY, p.112, though he might have been a little young to be a household head in 1830. Need to see that record.. (A brother - I believe - Jeremiah PILES was living in Franklin County KY for the 1850 census.) Likely Joel C. PILES in Dearborn Co IN in 1840, p.87, which fits the 1840 marriage record nicely, and Joel C. PYLE_ in Carroll Co MO in 1850, bc1811 NC, with Mary Ann, born c1813 IN, with George W. PYLE (born c1843 MO), and Jerry (Jeremiah?) PYLE (born c1847 MO). There is also a Harriet __THURN (born c1847 OH in the household. (Her name was partially obscured by tape on the original. Any idea who that was?) [Confusion factor:] But there was a Joel PILES whose estate administration is recorded in 1846 in Hamilton Co OH, just across the river from KY. That's another record I'd like to see. This is the raw material you have to work with. There may be some Joel wires crossed here, but I think your ancestor's records are hiding in there, and I'm pretty sure he goes back to James PILES of Orange County NC. Can you share any later records you might have for this Joel and his heirs? For example, when and where did he die? Jim Smee Pittsburgh PA

Try this site for variant surname(s) spellings. Pyle has 36 variations. http://www.imagepartners.co.uk/Thesaurus/Search.aspx Sara

Welcome comments forthwith below: wt 1739 Sarum Stowford, S Newton, Wilts In the Name of God Amen I John Self of Stowford in the parish of South Newton in the County of Wilts Dealer in Sheep being in Indifferent Bodily health but thanks be to Almighty God of sound and disposing mind and memory considering my mortallity have thought it proper to make this my last Will and Testament in the following manner wherein comitting my soul to God who gave it and my Body to the Earth to be decently Buried according to the discretion of mine Executrix herein after named I Give and bequeath unto William Burrough the Elder of Great Woodford the Sume of five shillings of good and Lawful Money, Also I Give unto John Sheepsey the Elder of the same place the like Sume of five shillings, Also I Give unto John Peary the Elder of the same place the like Sume of five shillings, Also I Give unto his Son in Law Larfiet the like Sume of five shillings, Also I Give unto Roger Blake of the same place the like Sume of five shillings, Also I Give unto the widow Good of the same place the like Sume of five shillings, Also I Give unto William Blake of the same place the like Sume of five shillings, Also I Give unto John Peary the Younger of the same place the like Sume of five shillings, Also I Give unto my Brother William Self, John Pile and Richard Pile One shilling a piece All which legacies abovementioned I will shall be paid within three months after my decease Also I Give unto Thomas Wooldrith and Elizabeth Wooldrith Son and Daughter of Thomas Wooldrith of South Newton five pounds apiece to be paid within six months after my Wifes decease, Also I Give unto Henry Self and John Self Sons of Robert Self of Amesbury five pounds apiece to be paid in six months after my Wifes decease All the rest and residue of my personal Estate Goods Chattels and Credits whatsoever and wheresoever I do Give and bequeath unto John, Richard, Henry, Steven and James the five Sons of Richard Pile of Chilhampton in the parish of South Newton aforesaid to be equally divided between them imediately after my Wifes decease, Also I Give unto Henry Pile the Bed Bedding and Wedding Ring that was his Grandmothers the use of which residue of my personal Estate Goods Chattels and Credits together with the use of the said Several Legacies or Sumes of five pounds before thereby bequeathed I do Give unto Sarah Self my beloved Wife for her life whom I do nominate and appoint full and Sole Executrix and do also Give her power to spend any part or all my personal Estate hereby otherwise devised if she shall happen to want the same for her necessary support and maintenance in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal the Fifteenth day of March in the Year of our Lord One thousand Seven Hundred and Thirty Six Signed sealed and published by the said John Self John Self the Testator as his last Will and Testament in the presence of / those words / also I Give unto the said Henry Pile the Bed Bedding and Wedding Ring that was his grandmothers being first interlined. John Spier Henry Spier At Sarum Decr. 11 1739 Sarah Self the Extrix was duly Sworn before me Geo Frome Surrogate Randy Dunavan Longview, Texas

Randy, this Richard Pile left a will naming the following: daughters - Edith, Agnes sons - John the elder, Richard and John the younger names Mr. Pile of Collingbourne Kingston as dear friend Steve Thrasher

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C3BB44.72480A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anyone know who these Piles are: *** The contents of this catalogue are the copyright of Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office. Rights in the Access to Archives database are the property of the Crown, © 2001-2003. To find out more about the archives described below, contact Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office SAVERNAKE ESTATE Catalogue Ref. 9 Creator(s): Savernake Estate, Wiltshire GREAT BEDWIN PREBEND Title deeds FILE [no title] - ref. 9/4/30 - date: 6 January 1594 \_ [from Scope and Content] Assignment of lease by deed poll (1) John Pile of Great Bedwyn, executor of Richard Pile of Great Bedwyn, his late father, (2) John Blagrave of Grafton, gent. The contents of this catalogue are the copyright of Reading University, Rural History Centre. Rights in the Access to Archives database are the property of the Crown, © 2001-2003. To find out more about the archives described below, contact Reading University, Rural History Centre Randy Dunavan Longview, Texas http://www.jarboe.org/ JARBOE-L@rootsweb.com http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/d/u/n/James-R-Dunavan/index.html?Welcome=988131687 ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C3BB44.72480A80 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Randy_Dunavan@markivauto.com.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Randy_Dunavan@markivauto.com.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:;Randy_Dunavan@markivauto.com FN:Randy_Dunavan@markivauto.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:Randy_Dunavan@markivauto.com REV:20031205T212834Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0073_01C3BB44.72480A80--

According to 1850 Carroll County, MO census: Joel C. Pyle b. abt 1811 pl. NC Mary Ann b. abt 1820 pl. IN ----- Original Message ----- From: <JamesSmee@aol.com> To: <PYLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [PYLE] Will of Robert Pyle of Upton-Scudamore, Wiltshire > In a message dated 12/3/2003 8:56:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, jokela@mt.net > writes: > > > My group seem to originate from NC. > > Crystal, > > Give us some clues such as given names (husband and wife), dates, where > they're found in NC when, where they wound up, etc., and we'll give it a shot. > We've got lots of good PYLE/PILES/PYLES folks who spent time in NC between the > 1700s and now. > > Jim Smee > > > ==== PYLE Mailing List ==== > List archives can be found at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Copyright 2003-Poster retains copyright > > >

I believe that (and it is only a theory) that you will find that Isabel was the name (registered birth name of Elizabeth Earth) but was known all her life as Elizabeth If you go to my article "Pyle Family of Bishop Canning link to OUR family line." (www.jeffpylenz.com -CONTENT - Family Trees ) and then look at the bottom of the article EARTH/PYLE on the "Abstracts of Wills in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury at Somerset House, London." You will see she is referred to as Elizabeth here - (The death certificate - if you can locate one) should show her birth name as what I suggested as above. This actually gives you two methods as it gives the burial location - which in their church files should record Elizabeth (as Isabel) on the date of burial. Jeff Pyle New Zealand -------Original Message------- From: PYLE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, December 04, 2003 09:03:53 To: PYLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PYLE] Thomas Pyle of Collingbourne-Kingston Jeff, I agree that he was married twice, but his will names Isabel as his wife, and if Elizabeth Earth was his widow, then somewhere there is a mistake. Did you see the posting on the will of Robert Pyle of Upton-Scudamore ? Curiously, he named his uncle as John Benger of Alton. Found that Robert Pyle's daughter, Mary Pyle, married Robert Burton of Brinklow (not Brinkley) in Warwick on 26 Oct 1576. Steve Thrasher Louisville, Ky ==== PYLE Mailing List ==== Not sure how to sub/unsub? Contact Sara at pyle@airmail.net Copyright 2003-Poster retains copyright .

Steve - others, I believe you will find that Thomas Pyle (Pile) was married twice. If you go to my web pages - www.jeffpylenz.com go to the Content section - Family Trees - PYLE FAMILIES IN THE OVER -NETHER WALLOP AREA (I haven't attached a full link as it will break - so is easier for everyone to follow these directions - please) then click on the top left hand image (thumbnail) of that full chart you will see the following on the enlarged view Born 1535 - Thomas Pile de Bubton in Com Wilts filiaset her (Will pr 24 Dec 1561 P.C.C. 38 Loftes) = Elizabeth filia Radi Langrish de Border fili iunioris Langrish de Langrish in Com South (5m.W of Peterfield ) = 2ndly Roger Earth of Dinton (Will pr 18 Feb 1619-20 P.C.C. 1905 oblit?) Hint - you can use your photo magnifying system on your computers to blow up the image - To save the images just right over each image (enlarged views best) and save to your own files.) Jeff Pyle New Zealand www.jeffpylenz.com -------Original Message------- From: PYLE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, December 04, 2003 04:43:29 To: PYLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PYLE] Thomas Pyle of Collingbourne-Kingston Now, I am confused. Information from the will of Thomas Pyle of Collingbourne-Kingston reads that his wife's name was ISABELA (same as in marriage record) not Elizabeth as in will of Elizabeth Earth. Is this a transcription error ? Steve Thrasher Louisville, Ky ==== PYLE Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, write PYLE-L-request@rootsweb.com with just the word unsubscribe in the message area. Copyright 2003-Poster retains copyright .

In a message dated 12/3/2003 8:56:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, jokela@mt.net writes: > My group seem to originate from NC. Crystal, Give us some clues such as given names (husband and wife), dates, where they're found in NC when, where they wound up, etc., and we'll give it a shot. We've got lots of good PYLE/PILES/PYLES folks who spent time in NC between the 1700s and now. Jim Smee

Of course I mean Henry the Eighth

Catherine of Aragon (1485-1536) was first wife of Henry VII - she was daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella. Isabella = Elizabeth She was mother of Mary I, the intensely Catholic strain of Tudor monarchy. Henry's marriage to Catherine of Aragon was annulled in 1533 . Church of Engand spun off from Vatican the next year.

Jeff, I agree that he was married twice, but his will names Isabel as his wife, and if Elizabeth Earth was his widow, then somewhere there is a mistake. Did you see the posting on the will of Robert Pyle of Upton-Scudamore ? Curiously, he named his uncle as John Benger of Alton. Found that Robert Pyle's daughter, Mary Pyle, married Robert Burton of Brinklow (not Brinkley) in Warwick on 26 Oct 1576. Steve Thrasher Louisville, Ky

Will of Robert Pyle of Upton-Scudamore, Wiltshire dated September 1601 Brother - William Pyle Nephew - Jacob Pyle, son of William Brother in law - James Corderay of Compton Chamberlayne Edward and Arthur Johnson Sister's children of Compton Chamberlayne Uncle - John Benger of Alton Brother - John Pyle of Studley, Wiltshire Brother in law - Robert Burton of Brinkley, Warwickshire Daughter - Ame Higson Son in law - William ????? of Hinton Abbey Brother in law - Anthony ????? Wife Joane Pyle

My grandmother says her Pyle ancestors were Amish or Pennsylvania Dutch. I have researched it and so far have found many of the Pyles and various spellings. My group seem to originate from NC. Has anyone else pursued this line of research. Crystal ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kybranch@aol.com> To: <PYLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:47 AM Subject: [PYLE] Will of Robert Pyle of Upton-Scudamore, Wiltshire > Will of Robert Pyle of Upton-Scudamore, Wiltshire > dated September 1601 > Brother - William Pyle > Nephew - Jacob Pyle, son of William > Brother in law - James Corderay of Compton Chamberlayne > Edward and Arthur Johnson > Sister's children of Compton Chamberlayne > Uncle - John Benger of Alton > Brother - John Pyle of Studley, Wiltshire > Brother in law - Robert Burton of Brinkley, Warwickshire > Daughter - Ame Higson > Son in law - William ????? of Hinton Abbey > Brother in law - Anthony ????? > Wife Joane Pyle > > > ==== PYLE Mailing List ==== > Visit the PYLE Message Boards at the Ancestry Site > Copyright 2003 > Poster retains copyright > > >

Now, I am confused. Information from the will of Thomas Pyle of Collingbourne-Kingston reads that his wife's name was ISABELA (same as in marriage record) not Elizabeth as in will of Elizabeth Earth. Is this a transcription error ? Steve Thrasher Louisville, Ky

I checked Lewis Pile on Ancestry.com as you listed and when I zoomed in on page 31 image 61, I got Lewis Pile in the Philip Husband, 30 male, household and Lewis was listed as 3/12 old. This was the only Pile on the page. Isn't this fun???????? I am a subscriber to Ancestry. Maybe you ordering the film might be the way to go for now. I'll email a distant cousin of mine just outside of Macomb, IL tomorrow and ask him if he'd look up Lavina's obit and what he might find on Leis Pile, Pyles. He has something to do with the Library there, I can't think of what now. I've got to go to work early in the AM as it's the big shopping day. Thanks again, Kathleen (Stoneking) Cooper in Rantoul, IL ----- Original Message ----- From: JamesSmee@aol.com To: PILES-L@rootsweb.com ; PYLE-L@rootsweb.com ; PYLES-L@rootsweb.com Cc: mscutnsew@msn.com Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:24 AM Subject: Re: LEWIS PYLES = JOSHUA PILES? (cont'd) In a message dated 11/26/2003 8:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, mscutnsew@msn.com writes: I didn't find anything on Lewis in Somerset Co., PA 1850 Census on Ancestry.com. All I could find was for Perry Twp., Greene Co., PA as before. Kathleen, Lewis PILE (this spelling) is in Somerset Twp, Somerset County PA, page 31, for the 1850 census. I don't believe that census is available on-line. I thought you might have access to it as an Ancestry.com subscriber(?) If not, I can order this microfilm from the library, and would have the info on him in a couple of weeks. Again, I think the result of that exercise would be to show that this Lewis was an entirely different individual, a descendant of the more northerly PYLE lines. The presence of your "Lewis" (age 45, born PA) right in the midst of all those Zachariah PILES descendants in 1850 (Greene Co PA) really makes me think he belongs in that line. Would really like to be able to establish that. Zacahriah, by the way, is believed to descend from Francis PILES (1660-1727) of Prince George's County MD. That's my PILES Family brick wall. Jim Smee Pittsburgh PA

In a message dated 11/26/2003 8:53:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, mscutnsew@msn.com writes: > I didn't find anything on Lewis in Somerset Co., PA 1850 Census on > Ancestry.com. All I could find was for Perry Twp., Greene Co., PA as before. > Kathleen, Lewis PILE (this spelling) is in Somerset Twp, Somerset County PA, page 31, for the 1850 census. I don't believe that census is available on-line. I thought you might have access to it as an Ancestry.com subscriber(?) If not, I can order this microfilm from the library, and would have the info on him in a couple of weeks. Again, I think the result of that exercise would be to show that this Lewis was an entirely different individual, a descendant of the more northerly PYLE lines. The presence of your "Lewis" (age 45, born PA) right in the midst of all those Zachariah PILES descendants in 1850 (Greene Co PA) really makes me think he belongs in that line. Would really like to be able to establish that. Zacahriah, by the way, is believed to descend from Francis PILES (1660-1727) of Prince George's County MD. That's my PILES Family brick wall. Jim Smee Pittsburgh PA

--part1_167.28b8d0bc.2cf3af87_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I I just received a copy of the will of John Pyle (1606) who died at Overton in Wiltshire. He was probably the son of the Edward Pyle listed in the 1539 muster roll of Overton. This John Pyle is the originator of the Pyle family of Bishops Canning. The following were mentioned in his will: wife-Elizabeth Pyle son-Edward Pyle son-Robert Pyle son-John Pyle son-Ambrose Pyle son in law-Richard Brant son in law-Ambrose Tarrant and 2 sons son in law-Edward Ladd and one daughter dau-Catherine Pyle (unmarried) dau-Joane Pyle (unmarried) dau-Agnes Pyle (unmarried) Overseers-Thomas Phillips of Bromham, Thomas Crowell, Thomas Clifford Steve Thrasher --part1_167.28b8d0bc.2cf3af87_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <Kybranch@aol.com> From: Kybranch@aol.com Full-name: Kybranch Message-ID: <16b.26d9405e.2cf3aeaa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:57:46 EST Subject: Pyle Family of Bishops Canning To: PYLE-L@rootsweb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 I just received a copy of the will of John Pyle (1606) who died at Overton in Wiltshire. He was probably the son of the Edward Pyle listed in the 1539 muster roll of Overton. This John Pyle is the originator of the Pyle family of Bishops Canning. The following were mentioned in his will: wife-Elizabeth Pyle son-Edward Pyle son-Robert Pyle son-John Pyle son-Ambrose Pyle son in law-Richard Brant son in law-Ambrose Tarrant and 2 sons son in law-Edward Ladd and one daughter dau-Catherine Pyle (unmarried) dau-Joane Pyle (unmarried) dau-Agnes Pyle (unmarried) Overseers-Thomas Phillips of Bromham, Thomas Crowell, Thomas Clifford Steve Thrasher --part1_167.28b8d0bc.2cf3af87_boundary--

PYLE OBITUARIES and BIOGRAPHIES It is amazing that as a amateur genealogist on what we consider both a renown and pioneer family name - That it is difficult to actually find many famous single early ancestors ( One person obituary on individual Family individuals.) Surely there must been some out there - We had some interesting family characters and very prominent family members. Pre - 1800. I am especially interested on the biographies of some of those very earlier "ENGLISH" ancestors that existed. Does anyone have any. We know that Pyles - Piles fought on both sides in the English Parliamentary Wars of 1650 - yet know very little about individual biographies (Even though they seemed to occupy prominent positions within each army.) Those "English Pioneers" that travelled fom England to the USA in those early times - their biographies would make interesting reading to our generation. If you have a concise family obituary for an individual family (Pyle - Pile and variations) along with a mug shot (or family shot) that you would like presented on our family tree site (Doesn't have to be our family line ) Why not contact me and I will upload it for you so others may see. Particularly interested in the older ancestors and their colourful lives, as obituaries. Actually if you put "Pyle Obituaries" in google - you get 6,670 hits - If you haven't looked - It is an interesting method to make your own family tree interesting with your relatives obituaries that actually made the papers. To obtain BIOGRAPHIES - try "Pyle Biographies" 17,200 hits Jeff Pyle Maramaua New Zealand www.jeffpylenz.com JdPyle@xtra.co.nz

Dear Sara, I could not access it. Sincerely, Ellen Pyle On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:01:27 -0600 Sara Pyle <pyle@airmail.net> writes: > Our list has free Ancestry boards with separate areas for queries, > pensions, bios, wills and other records. Additionally, photos may > be > added. > > Here is a recent posting to one of our boards: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VVBBAEB/85.134.142.147 > > Let me know if you have any questions about it. > Thanks > Sara > > > ==== PYLE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, write PYLE-L-request@rootsweb.com with just the word > unsubscribe in the message area. > Copyright 2003-Poster retains copyright > > >