I was able to find the obit for my grandfather yesterday. And, I was also able to go back one more generation. I was unaware that my grandfather went to KS before coming to WA. This would make sense because of the letter that his cousin Jacob HERMAN wrote to him upon request- a copy of which is below. However, the date in the obit for his arrival and the date in the letter are way off. Any suggestions.? Based on the information below here are my questions: [1] Can anyone help with the ancestor of Johann Georg HERMAN Sr? [2] I thought the three brothers came her together but it does not look that way, what do you think given the conflicting information? [3] Does anyone know who the brother of Johann Georg HERMAN Sr was that was the father of Jacob who wrote the letter. BTW, I am told Jacob/Jakob HERMAN stayed in KS. January 2, 1953 Seattle Post Intelligencer: Frederick Herman Frederick Herman, 61, of 1719 15th Ave S died Thrusday from a heart attack. Mr Herman, a caulker, was employed by Argentieri and Colarossi Construction Co. He had been a Seattle resident since 1911. He was born in Russia and came to the United States in 1909, going first to Kansas before moving to Seattle. He was a member of the United Association of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry No. 32. Mr. Herman is survived by his wife, Kate; two daughters, Mrs Helen (John F.) Frick and Mrs. Pauline (Morgan) Qualsund; a son, Leo Herman; a brother Henry Herman, and six grandchildren. Funeral Services will be held Saturday at 1:00 p.m. in Columbia Funeral Home. Gurial will be in Evergreen Cemetery. Basine, Kansas Feb 14, 1931 Fred Herman Seattle, Washington Dear Cousin: Am glad to furnish you with the information you asked for which is as follows: The name of the boat was (Gemnits) Gnmniz . Arrived in Russell, Kansas May 28, 1906. Weare all well and crop conditions look fairly good for the time being. Our winter has been very mild and no snow to speak of so far. The wheat is greening up in fine shape and in most places the stock graized all winter. Your Cousin, Jacob Herman Descendants of Johann Georg Herman Sr 1 HERMAN, Johann Georg Sr b: December 16, 1864 in Hussenbach- Linevo Osero, Saratov, Volga, Russia .. +GOTTIG, Maria, Giddich, Gitich, Gettig b: Abt. 1864 in Hussenbach, Linevo Osero, Saratof, Volga, Russia ......... 2 HERMAN, Johann George b: March 05, 1883 in Hussenbach- Linevo Osero, Saratov, Volga, Russia d: October 14, 1940 in Greeley, Weld County, Colorado ............. +PAUL, Charlotte "Lottie" b: January 25, 1887 in Micheldorf, Russia Father: (POWELL), John Paul ......... 2 HERMAN, Frederick b: October 05, 1891 in Hussenbach- Linevo Osero, Saratov, Volga, Russia d: January 01, 1953 in Seattle, Washington ............. +LEONHARDT, Maria Katherina "Kate" b: October 03, 1893 in Frank, Saratov, Russia d: November 26, 1977 in Seattle, Washington Father: LEONHARDT, Conrad Mother: KOCH, Marie Barbara ......... 2 HERMAN, Henry b: 1892 in Hussenbach- Linevo Osero, Saratov, Volga, Russia d: in Seattle, Washington ............. +MUNTZ, Elizabeth "Mary" b: in Frank, Russia Father: MUNTZ, Johann Peter Mother: LEONHARDT, Maria Barbara ......... *2nd Wife of HERMAN, Henry: ............. +KUXHOUSE, Elizabeth "Betty" ......... *3rd Wife of HERMAN, Henry: ............. +HANES, Ida I ......... *4th Wife of HERMAN, Henry: ............. +GUTHRIDGE, Bessie More on Johann Georg HERMAN Sr: In the Naturalization Records (Johann) George Herman b. 16 Dec 1864 Husenbach, Saratof. He arrived 20 Mar 1902 New York, finished 02 Mar 1921 in Larimer County, which would be FortCollins. More on Johann Georg HERMAN Jr: (Went back and forth bet WA and CO): NATURALIZATION RECORDS OF IMMIGRANTS FROM RUSSIA IN COLORADO VOLUME I page 142: George Herman of Greeley b. 05 March 1883 at Saratov, Russia. Landed at New York 01 April 1902 INTENT FOR CITZIZENSHIP filed in Weld County, Colorado on 09 Jan 1923. DI CSA 009215 05 1153. FINALIZATION (OATH) OF CITIZENSHIP at Weld County, 13 May 1925. DI CSA 10332D 09 1023. 1920 Greeley, Weld County, Colorado Census George HERMAN 37 b Russia Lottie Herman 32 b Russia John, age 12, b CO Mary, age 11, b CO George, age 10, b WA Elizabeth, age 6, b WA Virginia, 6 months old, b CO Name Status Age Sex Head of Related Place Imm Year Year Occ Place of Birth Household How Birth Status Entry Father Mother Herman, George (H123) M 37 M Head Head Russia A 1912Russia Russia Herman, Lottie M 32 F George (H123) Wife Russia A 1901Russia Russia Herman, John S 12 M George (H123) Son Colorado Russia Russia Herman, Mary S 11 F George (H123) Dau Colorado Russia Russia Herman, George S 10 M George (H123) Son Washington Russia Russia Herman, Elizabeth S 6 F George (H123) Dau Washington Russia Russia Herman, Virginia S 6m F George (H123) Dau Colorado They are living next door to a family named Fendel, also from Russia Worked with water mains and caulked giant pipes. There was a cave in and he got impaled by a pipe. The following is from a Greeley, CO Newspaper October 12 1940: Geo. HERMAN Badly Hurt on Pipeline George Herman, about 50, living at 1331 Third Avenue, Greeley, was seriously injured about 8:30 am Saturday when a bank caved on the Greeley Pipeline, five miles east of Fort Collins. Herman was taken to the Fort Collins hospital where it was found he had sustained a fractured pelvis and possible internal injuries. His attending physician said he has a good chance of recovery, baring complications from internal injuries which had not yet shown up at noon. Herman was employed by the Greeley City Water Department with a crew of about 50 men who are uncovering a section of the Greeley line to cover it with asphalt as protection against alkali. Soil is removed from around the pipe and the covering is done in the trench. Shortly after starting on the job Saturday morning Herman was pinned against the pipe by a caving of the bank. Fellow workmen worked feverishly to extricate him and he was gotten to the hospital shortly after 9:00 am. His hips were crushed against the pipe by the weight of the dirt, but he was not covered much above the waist. Herman was conscious and directed the excavating operations. When first taken to the hospital Herman was suffering from shock and his recovery was deemed doubtful. Later, he rallied and hopes were extended for his recovery. Superintendant, Milt Seaman who arrived at the scene of the work shortly after the cave-in said the accident occurred in the trench dug Friday. It was between five and six feet deep. Herman was cleaning off the pipe preparatory to applying asphalt. Herman has been a regular employee of the water works department for many years. He is an expert pipe layer. Funeral Notice October 14, 1940 Greeley CO Newspaper: Funeral service for George Herman will be held Thursday afternoon at 2:00 from the Zion Evangelical church, with Macy's in charge. Obituary Notice October 14, 1940 Greeley Co Newspaper: George Herman 57, of 1331 Third avenue, Greeley, died at the Larimer County hospital shortly before 8:00 O'clock Saturday evening from injuries sustained in a cavein on the Greeley pipeline job, five miles east of Fort Collins. Mr Herman sustained a pelvis fracture and internal injuries in the accident. After rallying from the shock of the accident Mr Herman suffered a relapse which ended in death. The body was brought to Macy's in Greeley. Mr Herman is survived by his wife, Mrs Charlotte Herman, and by five children: Mrs Mary SMITH of Seattle, Wash., George HERMAN of San Jose, Calif., Mrs Elizabeth PAYNE, John and Virginia HERMAN of Greeley. 1930 Seattle WA Polk Directory Fred (Kate) Herman laborer 932 N. 88th George (Charlotte )Herman laborer 4618 Juneau Henry (Ida) Herman 2310 Franklin Ave. More on (Johann) Frederich HERMAN: January 2, 1953 Seattle Post Intelligencer: Frederick Herman Frederick Herman, 61, of 1719 15th Ave S died Thrusday from a heart attack. Mr Herman, a caulker, was employed by Argentieri and Colarossi Construction Co. He had been a Seattle resident since 1911. He was born in Russia and came to the United States in 1909, going first to Kansas before moving to Seattle. He was a member of the United Association of the Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry No. 32. Mr. Herman is survived by his wife, Kate; two daughters, Mrs Helen (John F.) Frick and Mrs. Pauline (Morgan) Qualsund; a son, Leo Herman; a brother Henry Herman, and six grandchildren. Funeral Services will be held Saturday at 1:00 p.m. in Columbia Funeral Home. Gurial will be in Evergreen Cemetery. January 2, 1953 Seattle Times: HERMAN- Frederick, 61 years, of 1719 15th South. Beloved husband of Kate; father of Mrs Helen Frick, Mrs Pauline A. Qualsund and Leo Herman; brother of Henry Herman. Also 6 grandchildren. Member of United Association of Plumbing and Pipefitting Industry No. 32. services Saturday, 1:00 p.m., at Colombia Funeral Home. From the Polk Directory in Washington State 1920: They were living at 2413 E Aloha in Seattle HERMAN, Fred renting, age 27 married immigrated 1908 al born in Russia as were parents, laborer at shipyard, could read and write. Katie wife age 26 married immigrated 1911 Alien born in Russia as were parents, no occupation, could read and write. Helen dau age 7 attended school born Washington Leo, my father, son age 6 attended school born Washington Paulina A dau age 1 4/12 born Washington Henry brother age 24 married immigrated 1912 pa born Russia as were parents, laborer general could read and write. Elizabeth sister in law age 18 married immigrated 1906 Alien born in Russia as were parents no occupation could read and write. All were shown as able to speak English. 1920 Seattle WA Polk Directory Fred (Katie) Herman shipworker 2413 E. Aloha Henry Herman laborer 2413 E. Aloha 1924 Seattle WA Polk Directory Fred (Kate) Herman laborer 4450 Willow Henry Herman laborer 4450 Willow 1930 Seattle WA Polk Directory Fred (Kate) Herman laborer 932 N. 88th 1935 Seattle WA Polk Directory Fred (Kate) Herman laborer 932 N. 88th 1957 Seattle WA Polk Directory Mrs. Katy (does not say widow of Fred) Herman 2822 16th Ave. S. More on (Johann) Heinrich “Henry” HERMAN: No kids with Betty Kuxhause 1923 Seattle WA Polk Directory Henry (Ida) Herman chainmaker 808 12th Ave. 1924 Seattle WA Polk Directory Fred (Kate) Herman laborer 4450 Willow Henry Herman laborer 4450 Willow 1926 Seattle WA Polk Directory Henry Herman laborer 6736 45th Ave. S. 1930 Seattle WA Polk Directory Henry (Ida) Herman 2310 Franklin Ave. 1935 Seattle WA Polk Directory Henry (Ida I.) Herman 3810 Woodlawn Ave. 1955 Seattle WA Polk Directory Henry (Ida I.) Herman pipe fitter 8531 13th Ave. N.W. 1957 Seattle WA Polk Directory Henry ( Ida I ) Herman 8531 13th Ave. N.W. 1981Seattle WA Polk Directory Henry Herman retired 1925 1st Ave. apt. L 113 1983 Seattle WA Polk Directory Henry Herman retired 1925 1st Ave., apt. L 113