thanks to Joy Fisher who posted the following information about ordering forms from the National Archive Website... http://www.archives.gov for those of you unaware the the National Archive Source... They have military records, and land records and much more that you can order (at a price)... but to order you have to use THEIR form ... These forms can be ordered online... and that's what the following emails about Joy said.... Hi Everyone: Looks like NARA is making some changes in their ordering system. First off, Form NATF 84 for ordering land entry records has been re-vamped. Orders submitted on the old Form 84's are being returned along with a blank new form NATF 84 and you are told to fill out the new form and re-submit it. <big sigh> I just ordered some Forms on-line. http://www.archives.gov/global_pages/inquire_form.html When I get them I will scan both the new and the old forms. In the meantime, I would suggest that if you have any Form 84's lying around that you destroy them and order a fresh batch. Second, you can now order military pension records on-line: https://eservices.archives.gov/orderonline/start.swe?SWECmd=Start bookstorelady@prodigy.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskagit - Skagit USGW http://www.thirdstbooks.com - 3rd St. Book Exchange http://www.facesfromthewall.com - Faces From the Wall - Vietnam/Washington