Carman-Roots-L-request@rootsweb or Carman-Roots-D-request@rootsweb.com are the List or Digest versions for those interested. It is a new site conducted by Patricia CARMAN Tidmarsh. I neglected to find out where she is located but from her e-mail addr. I would guess that it might be New York City or environs, as the echonyc.com leads me to guess that that is where she is. At the present time, Patricia is discussing myths of the Carman Family, & the one that I, too, have been trying to find out more info about was the Carman surname found in Fox's Book of Martyr's" by John Fox. I found such a book at a used book store in Bothell, WA. It was of tissue thin paper and they wanted $20 for it. I nearly bought it but hesitated. When I went back in a week or so to buy it, it had been sold, and I have never seen another copy of it as complete and of fine tissue paper pages. I have seen it in a much abbreviated form and rewrites of it but I was unable to find the info that was in that first book that I found. From what Patricia has said, it appears that this Carman is not of the same Carman Fam. or that the story has not been proven among the CARMAN FAM of N.Y. immigrant Fam. The story I read in that Bothell version was that a Carman, which may have been Thomas Carman witnessed with his companions a friend-compatriot about to be burned at the stake in England, and that Carman shouted to the friend-victim that he would carry on for him and that he would not die in vain. I was not aware of the Carman Bros. whom Patricia has talked about . I had hoped this story to be of this Fam. but like Patricia there is no proof that this was of the same Carman Fam. as the site is built upon. Now, I would like to like to quote from the frontpiece of a Long Island GENEALOGIES. (then there is a list of Surnames, "and other families being kindred descendants of Thomas Powell of Bethpate, L.I., 1688. Compiled by Mary Powell Bunker. a 1976 Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. Baltimore." A map opposite the title page is of West Hills Huntington Town Purchase and this map has many street/path names, many with surnames - a very interesting map! The surnames of the genealogies include the Families of Alberton, Andrews, Bedell, birdsall Bowne, CARMAN, Carr, Clowes, Cock, Cornelius, Covert, Dean, Doughty, Duryea, Feke, Frost, Haff, Hallock, Haydock, Hicks, Hopkins, Jackson, Jones, Keese, Ketcham, Kirby, Loines, Marvin, Merritt, Moore, Mott, Oakley, Onderdonck, Pearsall, Post, Powell, Prior, Robbins, Rodman, Rowland, Rushmore, Sands, Scudder, Seaman, Searing, Smith, Strickland, Titus, Townsend, Underhill, Valentine, Vanderdonk, Weeks, Whitman, Whitson, Willets, Williams, Willis, Wright, and other Families. The former is all QUOTED. I see that I added the name Gordon among that list from another source (I know not!). Now, there is something for everyone here, and here is your opportunity to push back that gen. if you can tie to one of these. I see some Dutch, not German, surnames among them. Weeks, probably was aka Wycks or Wyks, etc. as we are talking about New Amsterdam environs here. Don't write me about these surnames -it is ref. for me and ref for you to pursue but you can readily see that the Carman-Roots subscription might have something for you - just waiting for you to push back that fine genealogy of yours, or at least enlarge on it. I see the Scudder surname among them which is among the Lathrops of MY genealogy. The Carman Fam. gen is my wife's and she is NOT interested in any gen let along her excellent one. Nor is hardly any of the rest of the Fam. - they could care less. It is only WE who were innoculated and appreciate the finer things of our lives - history, people, especially OURS, with all the skeletons in and out of the closets! * * * You know, I keep thinking about Snohomish Cemetery - the people buried there - and their friends who were the Founders of Snohomish and their friends the Indians (whom we now call Native. Amers.) and the descendants who followed their paths, some of whom still live around here or around Puget Sound, or were scattered by wars, & other diversions, like w o r k . Some of these descendants are now having to go to court, just to protect Snohomish Cemetery where their loved ones were laid to rest. First there was the Hwy 2 by the State of WA which was done legally, it is believed; then came a phaque or replica pioneer village, or old Snohomish village built on the North portion of the Snohomish Cemetery as an attraction that is advertised visible for a fee - old buildings from around the area reassembled upon that portion of the Cemetery; then, there was the Sr. Center - another house/bulding placed on top of the Cemetery, with blacktop added for parking - all on top of the Cemetery. How does a city do all this when it is legally still a Cemetery - Snohomish Cemetery, even though it was more commonly called Indian Cemetery, or Pilchuck Cemetery by those who were familiar with it. The only legal invasion of the cemetery was the Hwy 2 cut through it in 1947. The Cemetery has not been undedicated legally to date. What would you think if this were happening to your cemetery, your ancestor's resting place. This was Snohomish's first cemetery - 1875, tho the land for it was offered in 1871. It is the only cemetery within the city limits of Snohomish, even today. It is on maps as a cemetery - even the Thomas maps. Averill Field is on maps of Snohomish, but there is no sign there, nor is there a plaque there denoting the site of Field named after Earl Averill, Baseball Hall of Fame, both owned by the City of Snohomish and lack the Honor and recognition that they deserve. The ornate Pioneer Landing with old time ferry motif sign on 2nd Street & Pine right across the street from Averill Field, but there is not one indication of the name of it because there is NO NAME, let along Plaque for that Field. At the corner of 2nd & Cypress on the Right side of the Hwy 2 cut just as you leave Snohomish toward Monroe, is Snohomish Cemetery - no sign for it - neglected - but the Snohomish Senior Center with blacktop sits ON TOP OF the SW large area of Snohomish Cemetery. The open area just East of the Senior Center is still a part of Snohomish Cemetery but the City wants that for a Youth Center. But, they need to get legal undedication of the Cemetery so that it is no longer a Cemetery before they can built that 6000 sq. ft Youth Center designated at that site. A bit crowded, but that is what is wanted out of Snohomish Cemetery which was originally 3 acres m/l. before the Hwy 2 got about an acre out of it, legally. We cares - we all would, if it were our ancestor's resting place, wouldn't we. Well, there are descendants who care about theirs and they need all the support they can muster to protect their ancestoral burial ground, also. Carroll of Snohomish. * * * 30 * * * _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]