"Snohomish" is an Indian (Nat. Amer.) name, so that our river has the same name, and our origin of the name came from the Native American of our area called the Snohomish Tribe. They traded with the Snoqualamies and other tribes that would visit the area of what became our town. The name Snohomish may not be spelled exactly that in the native language, just as Seattle is an approximation of the spelling from its native origins. We have many Native Amer. names, terms, etc. which has been handed down to us over the interim. It is fitting then, that the recognition of the native clulture(s) take place, and now the rest of the Story: Ref. The HERALD, Everett, WA. Date: Monday November 17th. 2003 Section: Local Site: http://www.heraldnet.com/about Article: Keeping the culture alive EvCC (Everett Community College - CC.) hosts Native American Coast Gathering By Victor Balta, Herald Writer PIX capped: The Capt Fox Dancers, composed of Tlingit, Haida and Tsimpsian tribal members, performs Sunday night in the Student Union at Everett Community College as part of the United Native American Council's seventh annual Coastal Gathering. COMMENT: Encompasses the tribes of the Pacific Northwest. Presented each November. Maintaining the tradition of most Pacific coast tribes who meet in the late fall. A flute player from Snohomish was present. This display and recognition of the culture is a part of the educational program of the Everett Community College, a site of my own stomping grounds early on. Food offerings are a part of the culture that is shared there - native oriented foods. Carroll in Snohomish * * * 30 * * *

Most of when we hear the name Carnegie, we most often think "Libraries" and we have one in Snohomish, WA that is being given a grant from the National Trust for Historic Preservation, in addition to a grant from the Washington Trust for Historic Preservation, a grant total of $5,000 which will help toward preserving our old library that is in need of repair and preservation. Little do we know a great deal about Andrew Carnegie who amassed a fortune of half billion $ mostly from s t e e l. He lived from 1835 - 1919 and he was a philanthropost, extraordinaire, which is why we tie his name with librarys. Since, I am giving a talk on The Lost Art of Telegraphy - not a history really but rather my own perspective of the subject in Snohomish. I did find by way of Yahoo, and Google, that Andrew Carnegie at one time was a train dispatcher, i.e. a telegrapher for the Pennsylvania Railroad (now Penn Central) in Pittsburgh. At first he was a clerk, then as he worked his way up he became dispatcher. In fact he worked up to division manager by 1859 at the age of 24yrs old ! Rather than dwell any further on his history of achievements, I wanted to bring out the fact that he as a telegraphic dispatcher saw the great need for telegraphic communications among the military and he was very influential in priming the minds back then of the value of communications via telegraphy resulting in a very early form of what became a signal corps. Just though you might be interested in knowing. Carroll in Snohomish * * * 30 * * *

I wrote recently about the articles that had appeared in the TRIBUNE, and Senior publications re the Proposed new Senior Center but no article had appeared about it in The HERALD of Everett, WA which serves Snohomish and Island Counties. I am a bit late getting this news on here, but Saturday, November 15, 2003 there appeared the article that reported on this proposed or desired senior center that had been placed on top of the Snohomish Cemetery located at 2nd and Cypress Avenues in Snohomish including blacktop for the facility. So, here is the article that appeared in the HERALD: Ref. The HERALD, Everett, WA. Date: Saturday, November 15, 2003 Section: Front page Site: http://www.heraldnet.com/about Article: Snohomish seniors seek a larger center The current center is cramped, but fund-raising isn't the only hurdle to be cleared By Jennifer Warnick, Herald Writer With PIX (by Meggan Booker, The Herald) captioned: Patsy Danhof of Snohomish puts together a jig-saw puzzle earlier this week at the cramped Snohomish Senior Center. COMMENT: Mentions "a 1,800-square-foot converted house". That old house was given, and was moved on top of the cemetery and blacktop for parking added atop the cem. The house had an upper story apartment which has been rented, accessible from the rear of the house. The house has been there at least 10 years, but a 30 ft. addition to the house had to be added to the house in order to provide space for Bingo and other activitirs.-that was added in an easterly direction. Closeby to the corner of that addition are large tomb base stones most of which are of the old sandstone variety with the criss-cross carvings in them typical of those very early tombstone bases. But, one of the large bases is of granite, polished and of a redish color with the letters T H O M A S on it. All are dumped in a pile beneath a couple of young trees and hardly discernible, but they are huge and heavy bases. The article goes on to say, "But the seniors'dream for a bigger center has its share of complications Along with fund-raising, the seniors and the city will have to tackle a recurring land-use issue for that particular spot off Cypress Avenue by the Pilchuck River. The parcel where the center now sits is a former pioneer cemetery where some of Snohomish's earliest residents were buried until the early 1900s." (Pilchuck Julia who died of smallpox in 1923 was buried near the SW corner of the cem., and there may have been additional burials through possibly 1925 at that cem. - CC.) The article goes on to mention that in the 1940s ( 1947 to be exact - CC.) as a result of the state highway (HWY 2 - CC) "more than 100 remains and headstones to the nearby Grand Army of the Republic Cemetery (GAR cem. just outside the city limits, west of Snohomish-CC). I could guess that 100 remains may have been exhumed from just the Hwy 2 dig which was just a portion of the three acre cem. but certainly there were no 100 tombstones removed. A few of the stones went to the GAR and are lined up out there. In fact one stone was moved out there at the request of the descendants because of vandalism that was taking place at the old cem. The descendants had the stone removed but not the remains that were beneath it, so that the remains were not moved from the cem. Several of the stones were taken across the Hwy 2 passage-way and eventually placed on top of the northern portion of Snohomish Cemetery as a replica cemetery along with old buildings from various sites in and near Snohomish that was placed there to replicate a sort of pioneer village example. The log cabin there came from toward Machias direction just near the parking area just outside the Snohomish City limits near the parking area for the Centennial Trail. We used to ride our bikes past that old log cabin, and marvel at its location on a knoll overlooking the valley-like area. Schoolchildren used to visit the cabin to see a real pioneer log cabin. This cabin now sits on the N portion of the original Snohomish Cem very near the Hwy 2 cut. Since the 1947 cut highway 2 now circumvents the town of Snohomish so that the cem. cut now is just 2nd Street and no longer called Hwy 2 -a bridge over the Pilchuck River is the site - the road that goes toward or from Monroe when leaving Snohomish. In the article it mentions that "the city must eventually move toward decertifying the cemetery." according a ruling by the court in the 1990s." The article also mentions the archeological work that needs to be done. Though city officials maintained that there were no remains, as reported by past articles before and after earlier archeological procedures were done, additional archeological probing and digging did, in fact, disclose skeletal remains - foot bones, ankle bones and that of the bones below the knee were exposed, but the whole skeleton was not further exposed, and the find was quickly refilled with dirt and the Herald reported the fact that remains were found and witnessed in a clearing just NE of the 30 ft. addition to the older senior center house. This was in the large area portion of the cem. that had not been dug up when the Hwy 2 project took place. In other words, who's to know how many skeletal remains still remain in that portion of the cem. that Hwy 2 didn't touch, and where the present senior citizen building with its blacktop on the westerly portion, then the larger portion of the cem. that hasn't been built on as yet. The proposed new senior center and low income housing separated from the sr ctr would take up most of the rest of the cemetery. In fact only 37 parking spaces would be provided and the access to that would have to enter from the SW corner postions rather than from the westly access as it is today. "The Snohomish Senior Center has applied for an $800,000 community development block grant from the county." the article states. I have heard 3 different estimates for the cost of just the buildings $670,000 at the meeting, then $620,000 as reported in a senior publication, and an estamated $600,000 reported by The Herald. Just the buildings, that is. Jennifer Warnick may be contacted at 425-339-3429, or jwarnick@heraldnet.com * * * Carroll in Snohomish * * * 30 * * *

Perhaps some of you saw the film on your local public broadcasting affiliate - I missed it, so particularly enjoyed this web site about the influenza epidemic of 1918. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/influenza/ I find this fascinating on several fronts. One is the role of disease in history. Somehow the history books put the diseases in separate categories and fail to include the effect on general events. For example, much is made of the conquering role of Europeans on the American continents. In every case, the Europeans were aided in their conquest by the diseases they brought with them. When the first Europeans sailed into Puget Sound, the native population had pock marks; smallpox had gotten across the continent faster than the Europeans could sail, and had killed enormous numbers of the natives. In the case of the 1918 flu epidemic, the influence on WWI in Europe is mentioned in the web site material. Another reason for my fascination is that I personally was caught by another great flu epidemic - the so called Hong Kong flu of the mid-1960s. I have never been so acutely ill or had such a long recovery time and I was young. The greatest reason for my interest was that my mother was a victim of the 1918 epidemic. She was nine and it was such an experience that she never forgot it. She also never had flu again her entire, long life. The 1918 flu was so monumental that it conferred life-long immunity. Diane Hettrick dhettrick@earthlink.net

An EXCELLENT article headed as "Generation on the shelves" written by staff writer, Diane Wright appeared in the Seattle TIMES newspaper - 3 pages in the North County insert that captures many reader's interests because it captures the goings on of many interesting places such as our Snohomish County. Such was the case with Diane Wright's article about one Darilee Bednar, at the helm of 3rd St. Book Exchange, located at 1615 Third St, Marysville, WA. for Darilee has accumulated 5700 high school, college and even military yearbooks/annuals providing a source for great information, pictures, momentoes of those schooldays gone by, but a great source for history, research, etc. just the kind of material that researchers whether in genealogy or otherwise can avail themselves. Darilee amassed these gems from far the past (even the mid 1800s!) for "United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Canada, Panama and other countries." There is a color PIX of Darilee standing among her shelves of the 5700 books she maintains. You need to read the news article by Diane Wright to really appreciate the scope that Darilee's endeavor has produced. She has put those yearbooks to good use as she has and is developing a repository for information on Vietnam Veterans with as complete information as she can record for her website developed for this phase of research being made available to the genealogists, et al, to access. It is a source for adoption cases for instance. In addition, Darilee has a genealogical library up in the loft where she does much of her research and recordings. I have seen at least 3 computers, some of which she has dedicated to her projects that she is developing and making available to other genealogists, and research persons. I have kidded DariLee, I call her, about her Din of Iniquity -The Third Street Books just East a block of two on the same side of the street as the famed Dutch Bakery that everyone loves in Marysville. Everyone knows the Bakery that is a very popular spot - you take a number for service, it is so popular. DariLee's place is just E of that landmark. Each Thursday, DariLee shows up at Baxter Sr. Ctr. where she teaches a no-fee genealogy class - an informal group of persons who gather, share lies, share genealogy, laugh a lot, and frequent pot lucks, and field trips to such places as our county court house, Seattle Library, Tacoma Library, and of course Everett Library (Northwest Room !), the various Archives, National, State, you name it - this Gen Group is a going concern. Much of the research that is done by the group is shared by frequent Show and Tell type items. Just adjacent to the room this group meets in are two computer rooms - former Jail Cells when the Baxter Sr Ctr had been the former Marysville City Hall (complete with jail cells) located at the park where the Marysville Water Tower is the landmark locater. DariLee calls her project mentioned above Faces From the Wall - photos from the yearbooks, where possible to match the names of the Vietname Veterans Memorial, Washington, D.C. -many from WA State, and Snohomish Co. DariLee appears to be quite the maverick, but beneath it all is truly a heart of gold as is indicated by this article and if you know her for a period of time as have many of us. Do find a copy of the November 22, 2003 Times with the North County insert and read this article in its entirety to appreciate what is being done at the Din of Iniquity called Third Street Book Exchange. Thanks to writer, Diane Wright, we learn to appreciate what is being done by genealogists to further enhance our knowledge and accessibility of research via the time and effort of those to truly appreciate. Diane Wright may be contacted at 425-745-7815 or dwright@seattletimes.com and let her know we'd love to see more great articles related to genealogy. Diane did a great deal of research and times toward development of this article for which we are all very thankful. Carroll in Snohomish * * * 30 * * *

SOUTH KING COUNTY GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY Date: 15 November 2003 Place: First Baptist Church 11420 SE 238th St Kent, WA 98031 Time: 9:30 AM - 12:00 Noon Socializing, info sharing, traveling library begins at 9:30 AM Meeting begins at 10:00 AM GUEST SPEAKER: Lorraine C. McConaghy, PhD, Historian at the Museum of History and Industry "The Cross of Gold: The Election of 1896" The 1896 election was one of the most dramatic in U.S. history. The youthful William Jennings Bryan challenged Civil War veteran William McKinley for the American presidency. Voting in only their second election since statehood, Washington voters also cast their ballot for governor and two congressional seats. The 1896 election was a referendum on the Gilded Age, and its outcome set the national course into the 20th century, as 80% of eligible voters participated across the nation. The vital issues of this campaign - woman suffrage, immigration, imperialism - were contexted by the deep economic depression in the US, and whether the gold standard or free coinage of silver was an economic cure-all. Visit our website for further information: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waskcgs/ or call Barb Callahan at 253.852.4218 Gerry "Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission" Eleanor Roosevelt --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard

Sometimes, our "Wanna Be Found" persons are still living. Here is a former student of mine whom I had many years ago, and thru a fluke of my playing clues I discovered him. Marie LITTLE has written exceptionally interesting articles to New Age publication for Srs. about Alderwood Manor/Lynnwood, WA area for that is her forte' as an historian who loved that area & wrote about it to my own interest since I lived in that area & loved to hear more about the old times before & during the time I lived in the area. My curiosity was piqued when I kept wondering about her LITTLE name for I had had a former student in high school in my radio (electricity/electronics) class by the surname & he'd lived in that area quite awhile. At a recent mtg. of the Sno-Isle Gen. Soc., Marie LITTLE was to speak/show slides of early Alderwood Manor/Lynnwood history. It was there that I got to meet this historian of the area and query her about the student I had had many years ago by the surname LITTLE. I wasn't sure of his given name so I said "Mike" Little-no that didn't ring a bell, but she mentioned she had a "Roy Little" & I immediately "clanged the bell" in my ol' memory system and retorted -"That's HIM" -yes, it was Roy Little that I was seeking. It turned out to be her husband's brother. Marie Little gave Roy Little my phone number, and he called me from the Bow, WA area up toward Mt.Vernon where he lives today with his wife. What a great experience it was to talk to Roy and learn a bit about his life during the long interim I had lost track of him. I often wondered about him over the years. He was very slim, had health problems to some extent back in those high school days. I would run into various former students over the years but always wondered how Roy was doing. So, now I can reveal some of the rest of the Story to you below, in Roy's own words, and memories: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Little" <royl@nwlink.com> To: "Carroll Clark" <w7iml@gte.net> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 5:35 PM Subject: Greetings > Hi Mr Clark, > It was very good to get in touch with you again! It brings back a > lot of great memories. The trouble shooting techniques that you taught > us in radio class, I have used my whole adult life. Not necessarily in > the electronic application, but the sequencing of events and how to get > things done or why they don't happen as expected. This applies to > machines, people and organizations as well. > I did get my first ham ticket in your class. It was KN7IPH and > later was K7IPH after the first year. As i recall, the first year was > the Novice license. To qualify for the Technician Class required some > air time and the license was good for 5 years. But to renew it, you > also had to have some air time, I didn't have a rig and had gone off to > other adventures so I let the license lapse. After about 30 years (gee > that seems like a long time, and it was) I got the bug and qualified > again for the technician license and was issued the call sign N7PZD. It > has been a great hobby and I have met a number of really nice people in > the hobby. I guess the thing I notice most about the hobby is that > today all you need to do is know the answers to the multiple choice > questions to get your ticket. When you taught us, we learned the theory > behind the questions and understood what the answers ment, I am not sure > that is always the case today. > As far as my being in a wheel chair, that is true. You may remember > that I was always a bit weak in the muscle department, so I didn't run > and jump or do many thing like most people do. After going to the same > doc for 35 years, I couldn't believe he had decided to retire! So when I > found a new doc, he asked what was wrong with me and I really didn't > know. So to make a long story short, I went through a lot of tests at > the UW and they really were not able to put a name on it either. But > basically my condition is genetic ans is similar to muscular distrophy > (and there are a large number of different types of MD). It has not > been a very big problem for me, i have just adjusted. And for the most > part of my life things have been great. Then this spring, I took a pile > driver fall on my back side and messed up my back something fierce. So > for now, i am getting around in a power drive chair. I do have hopes of > having the option to stand and work or walk around a little in the shop > in the future. I have been improving and am very optimistic about it. > I find it most interesting that we were both spent time in spare > planning at Boeing Everett.( Insert by Carroll :Carroll, ironically, worked for the same Spares Planning Group at Boeing, Everett, but at a much later time period than Roy did. Spares Planning Group ordered all Boeng airplane parts for all of Boeing's jets for the Parts Kits that were to go, eventually, to the planes, as needed, worlwide. Even airplanes that had crashed or had problems got their parts for the planes from these kits, and our Spares Planning which ordered parts via computer input requests.- end of insert -Carroll Clark). I joined the company in 1967 after getting > my AA degree from Everett Junior College. The 747 was very new and of > course the only airplane at the Everett plant. I learned a lot at the > Boeing Company too. The things I learned there were probably as > valuable later in life running my own business, as what I learned at the > U of W. Although it is hard to compare the two; they were both > important. > About the time the "lights went out in Seattle", I left Boeing and > went to the UofW and got my teaching certificate. I later taught > Industrial Arts (mostly crafts) to special Ed students in Seattle Public > Schools. It too was a lot of fun, but I felt that I could do greater > good for a larger number of disabled kids by going into business making > equipment for them. As things turned out, I believe that turned out to > be true. > As far as Marie's e-mail address goes, she doesn't have one and does > not surf the internet either. I have always found this interesting for > someone so "together" and kind of "progressive" in her views. But such > is the case. > Hope this finds you well. > 73 roy > > > Hams all over the World know what 73 means = Best Regards & we all use that expression which translates in any language. I have Marie LITTLE to Thank for making it possible to re-establish communications with a former student of the same surname, and I will look forward to sharing Marie's writings, just as long as EVERYONE knows that I have gotten her permission to do so and that her writings are COPYRIGHTED and must not be used w/o her permission. She wishes to compile her writings into an history that she has planned for her future. This is one more Story among the many that have cropped out among our Genealogy over the years that I have come to put under the "They Wanna Be Found" category - those curious happenings that crop up ever so often when we least expect it but make Life so much more interesting. Carroll in Snohomish - a Curious place to live ! * * * Hopefully, the HERALD will see fit to print about the new Proposed Sr Ctr for Snohomish that has hit the Senior Publications and even the TRIBUNE, but nothing appears in the Herald, so far. I wonder why. Is it the location of the new proposed senior center, or what has held them back from reporting- I wonder. * * * 30 * * *

MORE ON CARL NISSEN'S e-mail to me which I will share here in case anyone "out there" might relate, or have a clue to what Carl writes about. Carl claims he not really a genealogist, which is the same thing I claimed when I met an ancestral cousin Brian L. YOUNG on Whidbey Island at Freeland because he had devoted 70 of his 80 years to genealogy, especially early English genealogy, and at the time I had just got bitten back in '83. I laffed when he referred to me an a "genealogist" when I didn't consider myself as such. Below is more than Carl shared with me, and I am astounded at the depth to which Carl has partisipated in his interest in the various routes and roots which is a part of genealogy and the endeavor of genealogists. If any of what he says "grabs you" or piques your interest, write to Carl and let him know your queries, or clues that you may wonder about. Personally, I admire Carl's participation in the various organization he has participated in and out of those organizations comes a lot of the genealogy that we seek. Enyoy, or just pass by, as you wish, but here's the info he shared with me, and I am sharing with you in case you would be interested. Carroll in Snohomish * * * 30 * * * ----- Original Message ----- From: can4618@aol.com To: w7iml@gte.net Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: Pretzels, und Bier !! Carroll -- you may have people who know me questioning your postings.I was not clear in my e-mail to you on November 1st. My SAR membership started in 1970. However it was based upon the research and documentation from my aunt's membership in the DAR. Soon after I became a member in the SAR I was caught up in SAR activities: as chapter president, Ohio Society president, Central District Vice-President General, and Chaplain General during the SAR Centennial Year, and after I came to Florida as Florida Society chaplain and then as chapter chaplain. My aunt also researched descent from a Mayflower passenger, and in Ohio I was Lieutenant-Governor (President) of Columbus Colony, and after I got to Florida I was Elder (Chaplain) of the Florida Society; and I have been active in genealogical societies in Ohio and Florida (Vice President in Dayton and here in Sun City Center); BUT I have not done genealogy research and I have not "documented the file" ( a requirement when I was working in contracting for the federal government when I was in Ohio). I have played around genealogy research for over thirty years, but I haven't done (completed) anything. My first real effort in doing genealogy research was this last year in finding the "who" in my father's story of "coming to America." And I was lucky. Now I am going to try to become a genealogist in "proving" or documenting the story of other Patriot ancestors from Massachusetts, beginning with Uzziel Withee. Probably clear a mud, but I hope clearer than the confusion I left you with before with the November 1sr e-mail. Carl Nissen Oh, yes! The "Nissen" name is very popular, many, many! Check any major city telephone book. * * * CARROLL'S COMMENT: Carl, how many of us "complete" our genealogy let alone anything - it keeps on rolling and snowballing, neverending - there is ALWAYS more "around the corner" to be found, and that is the great part of genealogy, it is a challenge to know more, to know further, to push farther back, etc. About the time you think "I have enough" of that Line, something pops up and you are off and running again, full of inspiration and verve -the adrenalin is moving full blast to add more knowledge. It was that and the weird things that happen along the way that inspired the "They Want to be Found" phenomena of which there are so many stories that pop up among genealogists in their quests for persons, places, events, that pertain to genealogy. It is the tenacity that we have for the subject that keeps us inspired, and aggressive, despite the "road blocks" and hurdles that we come up against. These things keep our scanners and inkjet printers "hot to go"! Enyoy! CC. * * * 30 * * *

Heritage Quest Research Library will be giving a class in Heritage Scrapbooking next Saturday, November 15 from 9:00 to 11:00 am at the library. Come and learn how to make a simple elegant page that will be the envy of all us novices. Laura Bower will be teaching us how to preserve our heirloom papers and pictures when using them in a scrapbook. She also delves into using journaling in the scrapbook, something that hadn't occured to me before. Cost of the class is $10. If you'd like to do a page please bring a picture, article etc...and an extra $3 for the supplies. You can sign up by calling the library at: 253-863-1806 between 11:00 and 4:00 seven days a week. Address: 909 Main Street, Sumner, WA This is at the west end of town in the block next to the railroad tracks. There is a municipal parking lot behind the building (north). There is also an entrance to Heritage Quest from the parking lot. Plan to spend the day and do a bit of research. If you haven't been here before you're in for a big surprise. This is like walking into genealogical heaven. Hope to see some of you there, Sue Perrault

This may not get to you soon enough, but if you should be interested in the famous, and infamous, Everett Massacre, early days of Everett, WA history: http://www.historiceverett.org/ The event takes place at 7 p.m. TONITE Wed. Nov. 5 at 2913 Colby, Everett, WA. EVERETT HISTORIC THEATRE Check the Ticket Fee. for more information. Carroll at Snohomish * * * PDQ* * *

Virginia, Our Tacoma-Pierce County Genealogical Society is meeting on the 3rd Tues in November, due to the library being closed. Starts at 6:45 pm Janet Baccus

Kelly: Sometimes pages of the electronic versions are "enhanced" and may be more readable than the NARA microfilm. I have been especially pleased with the 1910 census in an electronic version for that reason, where the microfilm was faint and illegible, and the electronic is readable. When I was helping someone in July decipher a name, we found the Heritage Quest and Ancestry electronic versions were very different. For the same census page, the top half of Heritage Quest's was too faint, and the bottom half about right; the top half of Ancestry's was readable, and much of the bottom half was black. Thus between the two electronic versions we had a readable page (aside from the fact the handwriting was lousy to begin with). Seattle Public Library has some patron-donated "Old Series" census microfilms for the mid 1800s. There were so many complaints when those first came out that they were refilmed by NARA. The "New Series," or current film, is available at the NARA Branch in Seattle. Usually if something is unreadable on the "Old Series" (so labelled on the cabinet), the microfilm at the NARA Branch is readable. Some states have manuscript copies of some of their Federal censuses. These may or may not read the same as the one in NARA (handwritten copyist errors in one or the other or both). The census takers' original notes did not survive. See the NARA ARC web site if you don't get all the answers you need on this list: <http://www.archives.gov/research_room/arc/index.html> --Ida Skarson McCormick, idamc@seanet.com, Seattle At 11:04 PM 11/03/2003 -0800, "Kelly McAllister" <mcallisters4@comcast.net> wrote: >It's great to be able to find microfilms with federal census pages in so >many libraries and on the internet. I suppose it's only sensible that they >are all copies from the same master copy that was laboriously created by >some poor sole slaving over some kind of scanner. Unfortunately, when you >find the the bottom 4 lines on a particular page are almost black, where do >you go try to find a readable copy? Some deep dark archive of the federal >government in Washington D.C.?

It's great to be able to find microfilms with federal census pages in so many libraries and on the internet. I suppose it's only sensible that they are all copies from the same master copy that was laboriously created by some poor sole slaving over some kind of scanner. Unfortunately, when you find the the bottom 4 lines on a particular page are almost black, where do you go try to find a readable copy? Some deep dark archive of the federal government in Washington D.C.? Kelly McAllister OIympia, Washington

Could some one say if the historical society meets other than second tuesday?\ thanks ginny baxter baxter22@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: PSRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com To: PSRoots-D@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:00 AM Subject: PSRoots-D Digest V03 #198

Carl Nissen of Florida sent me this and I thought, why not send this info to the bulletins as there are a lot of surnames mentioned that just might cross tracks with someone out there that "digs" this stuff. Carl reports to me ever so often about his progress and his endeavor to make ties. He's from up this way, and a displaced person, who like to hear of his stomping grounds just as the rest of like to do so. With his obvious distance, he cherishes every bit that he can get. Congrats to Carl for making the SAR (Sons of the American Revolution) goal which takes some doing, and I was aware that he was working toward that but I guess I hadn't recall that he had actually attained that goal so we are happy for him. Look thru the various surnames and if you find one that might work, give Carl a buzz on the ol' keyboard and tell him more. Who knows, perhaps there is someone out there who might just "unlock" some info that could get Carl off and running again. "They Wanna Be Found" phenomena takes place ever so often with us in various ways - I see that Darilee of the Infamous, Din of Iniquity complacently named 3rd Street Bookstore in Marysville (WA) just before Hallowe'en, so the kettles are brewin' out there as yet and new Findings take place and people report their weird experiences in genealogy to us. How about those Geomagnetic Storms from the Sun(spots) that eminated to Earth recently - didn't hear of much disturbances except some airline communications were affected. Concerns for cell phones and cell phone pods were in the offing but I heard of no real effects from them. Sensitive magnetic devices like those of the old fashioned teletypes were more prone to it and of concern are the power grids. Out lights were off for about 8 hrs but that was due to the windstorm and not the geomagnetic disturbances. Back to Earth with Carl Nissen! Drop him a line if any of those names could instigate genealogical "dust" as he is open for help among his lines. He wants bytes ! A smile for Carl down there in Fla. where they know the meaning of Storms. Carroll in the Village of Snohomish, 23.2 deg F., but very sunny as of 8:30 a.m. * * * ----- Original Message ----- From: can4618@aol.com To: w7iml@gte.net Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 6:53 AM Subject: Pretzels, HeraldNet Carroll, enjoyed the story. Glad you have an eye for interesting stories. My research into family history on my father's side is at a standstill; I have found Jansen farmer in Iowa, and others of Unruh family (of that generation). I do not know Danish, or German, and will wait for a bit before I tackle Schleswig-Holstein and/or Danish genealogy. I now hope to tackle the story of some of the soldiers of the American Revolution on my mother's family; six in all: three on her father's side, and three on her mother's side. Father's side is a Bonney, Ford, and Bisbee; on the mother's side: Tibbetts, Withee, and Lary. My SAR membership is based on Joshua Ford. My Scots ancestry is from Uzziel Withee (Mackerwithee; MacaRory, Clan Donald). James MacaRory was captured by Cromwell's Army during the War of the Restoration, c. 1650 or 1651, and as a surviving prisoner was sold as an indentured servant in Massachusetts. Genealogy sure teaches HISTORY! Carl Nissen in Sunny Florida. * * * 30 * * *

Darilee - I have the 1962-1964 Sealth HS annuals from Seattle. If you would like me to look up any names, for your efforts to put faces to the names on the VM wall, I'll be happy to. Please e-mail me directly Paddy

SGS CIG abt "Using PDAs for Genealogy" on Nov. 8th, 2003 November's Seattle Genealogical Society Computer Interest Group program will be "Using Personal Digital Assistants (PDAs) for Genealogy." A PDA is a palm-sized computer that enables a researcher to take their information "on the road", whether it is to a local repository, across the country or around the world. We will discuss the advantages and limitations of these handy devices. Sherry Holthe of Millennia Corporation will join us again to talk about Palm OS based PDAs and demonstrate using the GedStar Plus genealogy database for Palm PDAs. Dave Ault will talk about Pocket PC PDAs and demonstrate using the Pocket Genealogy database, Microsoft Pocket Word, and MS Pocket Excel. John Wise will discuss and demonstrate using Microsoft Reader, MS Outlook Calendars & Address Lists, and wireless connections. Please join us on Saturday, 8 November 2003, from 10:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. We will meet in the SGS Library at 6200 Sand Point Way NE in Seattle. Parking is available on the nearby streets. On the Metro Transit #74 & #75 bus lines. Accessible to the Handicapped. David Ault, Chair, Seattle Genealogical Society Computer Interest Group Computer Interest Group E-mail: SGSComputerIG@Juno.com SGS Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~waseags/ & Phone: 206-522-8658 SGS Office & Library: 6200 Sand Point Way NE, #101, Seattle, WA 98115 * ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

The November 2003 issue of Snohomish County Seniors, a Supplement to the TRIBUNE published by Mach Publishing of Snohomish has an article written by Christine Ermey, Staff Writer, and I have obtained the permission of Becky Reed to copy that article to these two rootsweb sites. The title of the article reads: The way it was ... Snohomish oldsters reminisce By Christine Ermey, Staff Writer and is quote in full as follows: Ah, the good old days! ( I used to hear that expression when I was a youngster about the days when my family was telling of their times! Including those of early Snohomish! And so it goes. - CC.) At the Oct 14 meeting of the Snohomish County Historical Society, (sic.) several oldsters gathered to reflect on their memories of growing up in the hamlet of Snohomish. Ahandful of seniors discussed issues ranging from the climate of the city in World War II to city police officers of the past to the creation of creation (sic.) of State Route 9 in the 1950s. "I remember when a plane crashed into the river in 1940," said Snohomish resident and environmental conservationist Bob Heirman, as others nodded in agreement. "Two Navy pilots had engine trouble and hit a power line and crashed into 12 feet of water. They tried to launch their parachutes. But they both died." Carroll Clark shared some of his memories of Byccle Jim Wright, a Snohomish Police officer for 18 years beginning in the 1920s. Clark began his descriptions by setting the scene of the day in the city of Snohomish. "There was a tavern up Frist Street. When the loggers came into town from the woods," Clark began, "their recreation was to beat the living tar out of one another." Clark described how Wright patrolled the city's streets on his bike, because he never learned to drive. "He always marched the suspects to jail," he said. Clark also described a story in which Wright apprehended a suspected bank robber by overtaking his Model T, while on his bicycle, jumping onto the car's running board, drawing his revolver and ordering the suspects to pull over. "He marched them down first street to the city hall and jail," Clark said. "He was also feared by grizzly loggers. They had great respect for him." Betty Morse Greenlee's father, O.D. Morse, was the Snohomish Police Chief and Wright's supervisor. Morse Greenlee shared her memories of her father and his work in Snohomish. "He could handle people with just a look," she said. "The residents who lived here at the time were fine people, but there was a lot of drinking going on in those days. My dad was on the job every day." Heirman shared some of his scrap books and photos and some of his poetry from his book, Snohomish, My Beloved County: An Angler's Anthology. "When I was a kid, it always seemed like winters here were cold as cold could be," Heirman said, as he held up a old photo of Blackman Lake surrounded by snow. "I remember the winter of 1949-50 we skated on Blackman Lake alll winter long." He added that in his day, he and his friends always referred to the lake as Stillaguamish Lake. "Back then we used to drink the water straight out of the lake," he said. "Nowadays. I wouldn't drink the water out of that lake for anything." Heirman displayed photos of some of his neighbors and friends who lived near him on Blackman Lake during his youth. Along with the photos came short stories about the neighbors. "Lon Myrick was one of the biggest moonshiners in Snohomish County," Heirman said. "But he was always kind to me." He added that before Myrick died he gave Heirman some of his tools, which he still has today. Heirman said he laments some of the growth and development in the Blackman Lake area. "Im the last of the Mohicians," he said. "I'm the last guy with big timber. I've got three and a half acres. I'd be environmentally bankrupt if I cut it down." End of the quoted article from Seniors as printed. * * * I need to make a few comments about the article and about the evening we shared at Snohomish Historical Society held at the Waltz Building (formerly my old Band Room which was moved from Snohomish High down to its present location on Avenue B right next to the Blackman House Museum sponsored by Sno. Hist. Soc). I know that Christine Ermey meant well in her written account, but I need to clarify a bit. The account of Bicycle Jim Wright's arrest should be clarified like this: In the wee hours of morning when officer Jim Wright got off duty and was on his way home from his duty, he came upon one or more individuals trying to break into Ralph Tronsrud's home on Cedar Street, a half block away from my home where I could hear Jim shout something to the effect "Stop in the name of the Law or I will shoot!" -the person(s) ran and climbed back into their panel truck and tried to get away, but Jim Wright fired several shots into the panel truck because I could hear those shots, and they were LOUD. Jim Wright carried a .45 caliber pistol and he was a "dead eye" a "Crack shot" i.e. he was noted for his markmanship with that gun. The approx. year of the incident was say 1940(s), the truck was not a Model T. but a heavy metal panel truck which could have been a Dodge, Chevy, Ford, or whatever but that metal was thick, heavy steel, rounded in the rear and the size of those large bullet holes had to have been a .45 . He didn't kill anyone but Wright arrested the culprit(s) on the spot and off to the hoosegow they went. The resident, Ralph Tronsrud and family was spared the robbery in progress. It is unknown if the incarcerated were bank robbers. When Bob Heirman told of the plane that went into the drink and the two pilots were lost, it reminded me of the time when fighter pilots training for power dives did so just south of the town of Snohomish during WWII. The planes would power fully as they gained altitude and when they got up to their target height would practice doing power dives which had a very familiar sound as they dove toward ground full bore, then at a given point pull out of the dive, making for a very distinct pattern of sound combinations which we as residents got used to hearing regularly and often. Upon one such power dive I, at my home on 2nd Street across from what is now Star Building Antiques, but in that day was our WA National Guard Armory Bldg, I heard the usual acceleration that I had been used to hearing but suddenly there was just a puff (stopping of the dive)and the pilot didn't pull out of the dive - I knew what that meant. Since I was confined to bed with illness at that time, I couldn't go to see what the site looked like but a friend of the family did and he brought back a small piece of thick aluminum and he said that was the largest piece he could find. >From what I can recall that plan plowed approx. 30 feet into the ground as a result of that power dive. Bob Heirman suggested that the plane was a P-38, but I reminded him that the P-38 was a double fuselage plane but this one a single type fighter - don't know if it was a P50, P51 or what - the story is probably in the Herald Archives. I reminded Bob that the P-38 came out later in the war time as I watched P-38s practice "dog fighting" or near acrobatic type maneuvers firing at at a trailing target over Tacoma in later times during WWII. At the time I thought that the P-38 was the latest and greatest in aircraft for a prop plane. The winters of 1934, 1935 were heavy snow winters. As I recall, I visited Blackman's Lake and saw the lake frozen over but rather dangerous for those who got a rude awakening when they ditched through the ice. That is about the time I got a sled that was given to me by my family doctor, Dr. James A. Durrant. It had been his son's sled - an American Flyer and had the initials D.A. D.(Dudley A. Durrant) burned into the bottom of it and it still contained the grease pencil purchase price next to the initials $4.50 - I still have that sled to this day and treasure it and its memories, and that of the Dr. who had given it to me. His son was an ocean liner sea captain at the time that I was presented with the sled. His ship traveled over seas and it was a well known shipping company of its time, but I can't recall the exact name of it today. He was my birth Dr. and all through my early life until he passed away. The stories abound, and it is hard for younger persons to relate to those things of the past just as it was for us when our parents told of THEIR early times. * * * ATTENTION Diane Hettrick - I can recall in the late 1920s, possibly very early 30s my Mother taking me down to Kenmore in her 2-door Maxwell sedan with the wooden spoked wheels. She took me to see the Christmas extravaganza -beautifully lighted and huge displays of things related to Christmas - a spectacular sight. I can recall going around that near 320 degree highway turn before entering Kenmore. I have no idea when Kenmore became a town, but I do recall that event of Christmas displays, obviously large and well lighted - seems that some of them were moving but a very spectacular sight. Another fond memory is of my Mother stopping at the Baker's Chocolate Store in Lil' Ol' Lake City in those early times mentioned above with the Maxwell. There she would buy the various marzipan, colorful candies made of almond paste and formed into various pieces of vegetable, fruits, figures, etc. That and the wonderful chocolate selections which that store had. It was on the Interurban line and one could get off, shop, and catch the next Interurban headed for Everett?Snohomish or Seattle bound cars. I was so impressed with these events that I told my wife many years later when we were first married about the times I'd go through Lake City and Kenmore which was the route my Mother took in her Maxwell to and from Seattle. I made sure that I took my wife to the Baker's Chocolate Store that I had gone to as a child, and though she doesn't care for the marzipan stuff, she is a chocoholic and that is p a r a d i s e for those people! I like chocolate, but she has me beaten by far when it comes to chocolate preference. I swear that she gets the DTs unless she has chocolate often any time of the day or night ! Carroll in Snohomish * * * 30 * * *

Also from the Third Place Books newsletter. Saturday, November 8 10:00 to 4:00 Call for photos and stories of Lake Forest Park (Washington) in the 50's and 60's. Help Friends of Third Place Commons coordinate a history project! Please bring your photos of LFP from the 50's and 60's or just stop by to share your stories. (We'll scan your photos and return them to you on the spot.) Tell us, too, if you know of contacts for more LFP stories. This project will culminate in a grand 50's and 60's celebration-reunion in the spring. Even if you can't stop by, give us a call so we can contact you later. Help us spread the word! The Friends of Third Place Commons at 206-366-3302

The following article appeared in the Nov. 2003 issue of Snohomish County Seniors, a Supplement to the TRIBUNE by Mach Publishing of Snohomish, WA. Permission to include this and the former article about Snohomish Senior Center plans gotten from Becky Reed, editor. ( Subject: Snohomish Cemetery FYI) The article is by Christine Ermey, Staff Writer for Snoh. Co. Seniors and the TRIBUNE quoted in full as follows: Snohomish Senior Center, city unveil plans for new center By Christine Ermey, Staff Writer Snohomish senior citizens gathered at the Snohomish Senior Center Oct. 16 (12 Noon-CC) to get a peek at what may be to come. Architects Grace Kim and Elizabeth Thompson of Place Architects, LLC, were on hand to describe the concept drawings they have developed with the help of Snohomish Senior Center members and the city of Snohomish. City Treasurer Brad Nelson was also on hand at the meeting. "This is part our process, to come before the membership ... for you to hear first hand from the architects about what ther design looks like," he said. Nelson explained that the total budget for the new senior center is about $1 million, of which $650,000 is earmarked for the new building. The remainder will be used for furnishing the new center, which will include a new restaurant-style kitchen. Nelson added that moving forward with the new senior center project will depend on receipt of a Community Development Block grant from Snohomish County. Thompson explained some of the amenities that the new senior center will have. It will be located on the site of the current senior center, (Snohomish Cemetery - CC) and will retain the trees qat the exterior of the property and its proximity to the river. "The adjacency to the river is a special part of this site," she said. She added that plans include an outdoor bqarbecue and deck.(sic.) Thompsonalso said the plans for the new site include 37 parking spaces, some of which are reserved for handicapped drivers. Kim explained more about the structural aspects of the planned facility. "We wanted to keep the struture very simple," she said. She displayed a shematic drawing that she said looked somewhat like a barn with a large roof, which provides warmth. She said she plans a large sunny area at the entry of the building where patrons can wait for buses or sit outside to enjoy the weather. The building designs include plans for three large rooms, Kim said, which will accommodate many different activities. "You told us you needed classroom space and a multi[purpose space," she said. "We have big and small scale spaces." Kim said the rooms in the design are large enough to accommodate dances, or exercise classes and will be adjacent to a new restaurant-style kitchen. Senior Center member Bob Knight said, "The size of the kitchen is necessary to get a nutrition program here." Senior Center President Bill Huested said the idea of the new senior center has been in the works for more than a year. "We could do so much more with more space," he said. This article is accompanied by PLACE architects has the caption: The conceptual drawing for a new Snohomish Senior Center shows improved parking and more space; funding will depend on a Community Development Block Grant for the county's Planning and Development Services. End of article from November 2003 Seniors quoted in full. * * * The site is located at Second Street and Cypress Avenue, ingress and egress on 2nd St on the extreme easterly side of the City of Snohomish - the road and bridge that crosses the Pilchuck River, and site of Snohomish Cemetery on which the new Senior Center would be built. An explanation as to how the City of Snohomish or the Senior Center, or other responsible entity will handle the existing burials and remains has not been apparent in writing. Both Caucasian and Indian burials are known to have taken place at this site, and not all were exhumed. How will this be handled, legally? When, if at all, will Snohomish Cemetery be decertified as a cemetery so that it is no longer a cemetery? Why is it called Snohomish Cemetery? The County Accessor's Office at the Court House in Everett has that designation. I have seen the old large Plat or Plot chart titled Snohomish Cemetery in the large Script-like print of those early times when embelish was the popular print trend. I am very much for a senior center, and one of adequate size and facilities - Marysville, Monroe, Everett has excellent centers, but on top of an existing, historical cemetery site? Neglect, defacing, vandalizing, desecrating a cemetery is for not, and is inexcusable! Carroll in Snohomish * * * 30 * * *