Hi: Edwin WELEVER came to Skagit Co, WA with his wife Mary E. RUTHERFORD, ACKLEY. They came to Anacortes abt. 1902. They lived in the vicinity until the early 1940's. He was b. on April 16, 1868 in Montcalm Co. MI. His siblings as far as I know (he may have more) are as follows: Asa ("Ace") b. abt.1857 Albert Ira William, b. abt. 1862 Charles, b. abt. 1864 Rosa, b. abt. 1866 The Ackley children also came west with their mother. Anyone having knowledge of this family, please contact me. Edwin and Mary are my husband's grandparents. Ellen Gordon Craven

Is anyone researching the TROSPER family? They were pioneers in Washington state. There's a road named after them near Olympia. A Trosper married into my KINDLE family (who came to Lewis County in 1902) and I just found someone with a big database of Trosper's. She said the Washington families go back to Nicholas Trosper, 1755 (ca) b. NC. Diane Hettrick Shoreline dhettrick@earthlink.net

At 06:00 PM 8/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >Regarding the question about having Psroots "Open" or "Closed" to casual >posters, I think closed will help a little bit with the spam issue, but with >another twist not mentioned by Cyndi: > >Rootsweb lists can automatically process subscription requests, with no >intervention from the listowner required. Given the size and popularity of >this list, I was surprised to hear Cyndi was still doing it manually. Well, >knowing her I guess I'm not surprised she's doing that. I'm sure she'll >still like to send out her welcome message to new subscribers, but the >subscriber would be up and running almost immediately on sending in their >request. > >Most people now should be pretty aware of how to subscribe to a list, watch >it for a day or two, then post their query. I don't think that's an >imposition for the large majority of list users. And spammers will not go >to the trouble of subscribing to mailing lists (at least this week). > >Close the list to postings from subscribed members only, but also use the >automatic subscribe function of rootsweb to lighten Cyndi's load a bit. >Then she can direct her energy to another project..... > > > > >Marty Cassidy > >cassidym@accessone.com (2 c's and 2 s's in accessone) >Seattle, WA USA > Marty - I don't manually subscribe anyone to PSRoots. It is all done automatically. My description of a closed list was to close it entirely and control who subscribes, not just limit posts to subscribers. The last spam we received was from an individual, not a *professional* spammer or any automated e-mail spam program. I was stating the worst case scenario, asking for patience to see if we could avoid going that far. Cyndi

Hi: This is my first post to this list. I am researching these pioneer families from the Centralia, Rochester, and Olympia area families: Elkanah and Laurinda Vienna MILLS Robert Walter and Mary Jane Mills BROWN Joseph and Isabell Brown PHELPS Thomas Roland and Mary Frances Brown PRATHER Frank Benjamin and Nellie Prather GORDON Ellen Gordon Craven Battle Ground, WA

Just an invite to all my friends and/or acquaintenances on PSROOTS along with co-members of the Tacoma-Pierce County Genealogy Society to view the makings of my webpage. This is in the very early Under Construction stages but there are a few pages viewable - Military Page, Will of John Patton & Will of James Robertson and of course two of my younger grandchildren have their fun page. Please give me any thoughts, pro or con, as this is all new to me. Thank you for taking the time to view it. Antoinette waughtel@oz.net http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/savannah/252/homepage.html

-----Original Message----- From: Antoinette Waughtel Sorensen <waughtel@oz.net> To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com <PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 9:03 PM Subject: MY WEB PAGE >Just an invite to all my friends and/or acquaintenances on PSROOTS along >with co-members of the Tacoma-Pierce County Genealogy Society to view the >makings of my webpage. This is in the very early Under Construction stages >but there are a few pages viewable - Military Page, Will of John Patton & >Will of James Robertson and of course two of my younger grandchildren have >their fun page. Please give me any thoughts, pro or con, as this is all new >to me. Thank you for taking the time to view it. >Antoinette >waughtel@oz.net >http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/savannah/252/homepage.html > > >

-----Original Message----- From: Antoinette Waughtel Sorensen <waughtel@oz.net> To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com <PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 9:03 PM Subject: MY WEB PAGE >Just an invite to all my friends and/or acquaintenances on PSROOTS along >with co-members of the Tacoma-Pierce County Genealogy Society to view the >makings of my webpage. This is in the very early Under Construction stages >but there are a few pages viewable - Military Page, Will of John Patton & >Will of James Robertson and of course two of my younger grandchildren have >their fun page. Please give me any thoughts, pro or con, as this is all new >to me. Thank you for taking the time to view it. >Antoinette >waughtel@oz.net >http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/savannah/252/homepage.html > > >UNSUBSCRIBE!!! SEND ME NO MORE MAIL!!!!

-----Original Message----- From: K9504m@aol.com <K9504m@aol.com> To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com <PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 3:18 PM Subject: Re: HQRL News >In a message dated 8/29/98 9:00:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >thomson@cardina.net writes: > ><< Hi Gail, > Would you please send me the days and hours you are open. I am coming from > Michigan next month and want to make sure I am in the area on a day you are > open. > Thanks, > Joan >> >= = = = = >Hi Joan, > Just in case Gail doesn't get a chance to respond right away, to the best >of my knowledge, this is the current schedule: >= = = = = > Sumner >HQRL HOURS: >Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday 11:00am - 4:00pm >Wednesday 9:00am - >9:00pm >Saturday 10:00am - >4:00pm > >From Hwy 410 take the first Sumner Exit, turn left at the light. >(E.Main/Traffic Ave./Fryar Rd.) >Turn right on Main St. (the 2nd light). >We are in the first building on the left after crossing the railroad tracks. >(Next to KC's Caboose, directly behind Astro Travel) > >There is Free Parking on Main Street and in parking lots behind (North side) >the building. Front and rear entrances, disabled access on Main St. >= = = = = >HOLTON-L List Owner >The Rootbound Researcher >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > ^ ^ Kitty (CURTIS) Martin Kent, Washington > - - k9504m@aol.com > Researching: CURTIS, GATES, HENSLEY, HOL(E)TON, JAMES; > ZIEGLER, SWIFT, POLK, GREGORY, GRACE > (etc.) >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/8946/index.htm > >UNSUBSCRIBE!!! SEND ME NO MORE MAIL!!!!

-----Original Message----- From: Gail Edwards-Petersen <WindEPete@worldnet.att.net> To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com <PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 1:00 PM Subject: HQRL Info notes > >We at Heritage Quest Research Library and Bookstore, have been asked "Why >do I have to pay to use this library"? >HQRL is a private member owned library, we are not subsidized by any >government or religious organization. To run the library we sell yearly >memberships, daily use fees, CD's, microfilm, microfiche, and books, etc. >We also receive grants and donations, to earn monies to keep the library >going . > >We have memberships for >$30.00 per person, $35.00 per family, or daily usage fee of $4.00. > >As a member you are a part owner of the library and have a say in what goes >on in the library. >Without our daily fees and memberships the library would have to close -- >which would be severe a loss for all genealogists. > >Thanks > >Gail Edwards-Petersen > >UNSUBSCRIBE!!! SEND ME NO MORE MAIL!!!!

-----Original Message----- From: Gail Edwards-Petersen <WindEPete@worldnet.att.net> To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com <PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 12:50 PM Subject: HQRL News >Hi everyone, >Now that summer is almost over its time to think about doing your genealogy >research again -- >And the best place to it is: > Heritage Quest Research Library > 909 Main Street, #5, > Sumner, WA 98390 > Phone 1-253-863-1806 >We hope to see you soon -- each day we get new books donated so check them >out. > >NOTE: We will be closed on Labor Day, Sept. 7th, to celebrate the day with >our family. >Gail > >UNSUBSCRIBE!!! SEND ME NO MORE MAIL!!!!

-----Original Message----- From: Marty Cassidy <cassidym@accessone.com> To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com <PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 10:01 PM Subject: I'm for Closed, but with a modification >Regarding the question about having Psroots "Open" or "Closed" to casual >posters, I think closed will help a little bit with the spam issue, but with >another twist not mentioned by Cyndi: > >Rootsweb lists can automatically process subscription requests, with no >intervention from the listowner required. Given the size and popularity of >this list, I was surprised to hear Cyndi was still doing it manually. Well, >knowing her I guess I'm not surprised she's doing that. I'm sure she'll >still like to send out her welcome message to new subscribers, but the >subscriber would be up and running almost immediately on sending in their >request. > >Most people now should be pretty aware of how to subscribe to a list, watch >it for a day or two, then post their query. I don't think that's an >imposition for the large majority of list users. And spammers will not go >to the trouble of subscribing to mailing lists (at least this week). > >Close the list to postings from subscribed members only, but also use the >automatic subscribe function of rootsweb to lighten Cyndi's load a bit. >Then she can direct her energy to another project..... > > > > >Marty Cassidy > >cassidym@accessone.com (2 c's and 2 s's in accessone) >Seattle, WA USA > >UNSUBSCRIBE!! SEND ME NO MORE MAIL >

-----Original Message----- From: K9504m@aol.com <K9504m@aol.com> To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com <PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 9:43 PM Subject: Surnames and Spam >Hi everyone! > >I just glanced up at my "subject" line. Surnames and Spam sounds like a song >title! > >About the "spam" on the PS-List recently: The most curious thing is that of >ALL the lists I belong to (a dozen or so), "PS" has been the only one to be >spammed recently -- at least the only one where the spam gets through to my e- >mail. (Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm.) > >Since I'm also a List-Owner, I agree with Cyndi. The best thing we can all do >to keep our lists open and available to all our cousins, is just hit that >DELETE key and let Rootsweb manage the problem. Closing the lists would make >the List-Owner's life pretty miserable--probably to the point that a lot of us >would have to give up the privilege. > >About the "surnames" of my subject: I'm gradually getting my pre-1900 data >listed on a web page. Put my minuscule HOLETON portion out last night and >hope to get the HOLTON stuff done by end of weekend. (Cousins married) > >Check it out when you get a chance. I figure if you AND your ancestors for >the past 150 years were all born in the Puget Sound area, we are probably >related! As I've mentioned in previous notes, my data is taken mostly from >family stories and handwritten notes (in pencil). I have some letters from my >mom's side of the family (written in the 1850's) that are easier to read than >the family history notes my uncle (dad's brother) jotted down 30 years ago. >But, there is very little in actual PROOF. "Endnotes" for each surname >contain verification. > >Obviously, my ancestors lived in remote areas where census takers feared to >tread. These same ancestors were either so poor they didn't own land or the >nickname handed down through the years is not the name on the land record. >Wedding ceremonies must have been performed by traveling preachers and >children brought into the world by a midwife that did not keep records! > >But the challenge is wonderful. The cousins I meet on-line are fantastic and >I wouldn't trade this hobby for anything. > >HOLTON-L List Owner >The Rootbound Researcher >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > ^ ^ Kitty (CURTIS) Martin Kent, Washington > - - k9504m@aol.com > Researching: CURTIS, GATES, HENSLEY, HOL(E)TON, JAMES; > ZIEGLER, SWIFT, POLK, GREGORY, GRACE > (etc.) >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/8946/index.htm > > >I would be thrilled if ANYONE out there could help me fill in the blanks. > > >UNSUBSCRIBE. SEND ME NO MORE MAIL>

-----Original Message----- From: Cyndi Howells <cyndihow@oz.net> To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com <PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Please? >At 06:41 PM 8/28/98 -0400, you wrote: >>Hi-my name is Kris; I have been through this program 2 times >already... you >>have no idea how profitable it is. It is definitely the fastest >thing >>available. We are talking' about thousands of dollars in 2 weeks >time... ><snip> > > >AAAAaarrrgh!! Hi folks. Sorry to see another spam slip through. >This makes 4 in one month. I hate to see this happen to our list. >As I mentioned in a prior message, there are few ways to combat >spam, but I will report this to all the appropriate people. > >We have two choices with our mailing list. We can make it an Open >or Closed list. It is currently an Open list. This means that >anyone can post to the list without having to subscribe first. I >think this is best because it makes it possible for societies or >possible cousins to post a quick note without too much hassle. A >Closed list would mean that people could not post to the list >unless they first subscribed. And all attempts to subscribe would >have to go through me first. As the list "poohbah," I would have to >read each request, then subscribe people manually. Under normal >circumstances, I wouldn't mind doing that, but as things are right >now I am a bit busy and would like to avoid being put in that >position if possible. > >We have been very lucky over the last couple of years to avoid any >problems with spam coming through to the list. I can't tell right >now if the current problems we are dealing with are indicative of >things to come or if receiving so many all in one month is just a >weird coincidence. My inclination is to just sit back and watch to >see if this is a continuing trend. If we continue to receive >regular occurences of spam, I will be happy to close the list. >What I need from each of you is a bit of patience as we go through >this waiting period. Does this sound reasonable to everyone? I >would hate to jump to conclusions, close the list and create extra >work and problems if this is only a temporary situation. > >Please sit tight and just delete the junk for now. I'll watch it >carefully and let you know if and when I make any major changes. > >Thanks for your understanding, >Cyndi > > > >~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ >Cyndi Howells Puyallup, Washington >PSRoots List Poohbah >cyndihow@oz.net > >PSRoots-L Mailing List > http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/psroots.htm > >To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail >message to: PSRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com >or PSRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) >with only one word in the body: subscribe > or: unsubscribe > >Unsubscribe!!!!!

We at Heritage Quest Research Library and Bookstore, have been asked "Why do I have to pay to use this library"? HQRL is a private member owned library, we are not subsidized by any government or religious organization. To run the library we sell yearly memberships, daily use fees, CD's, microfilm, microfiche, and books, etc. We also receive grants and donations, to earn monies to keep the library going . We have memberships for $30.00 per person, $35.00 per family, or daily usage fee of $4.00. As a member you are a part owner of the library and have a say in what goes on in the library. Without our daily fees and memberships the library would have to close -- which would be severe a loss for all genealogists. Thanks Gail Edwards-Petersen

Hi Gail, Would you please send me the days and hours you are open. I am coming from Michigan next month and want to make sure I am in the area on a day you are open. Thanks, Joan ---------- > From: Gail Edwards-Petersen <WindEPete@worldnet.att.net> > To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: HQRL News > Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 11:54 AM > > Hi everyone, > Now that summer is almost over its time to think about doing your genealogy > research again -- > And the best place to it is: > Heritage Quest Research Library > 909 Main Street, #5, > Sumner, WA 98390 > Phone 1-253-863-1806 > We hope to see you soon -- each day we get new books donated so check them > out. > > NOTE: We will be closed on Labor Day, Sept. 7th, to celebrate the day with > our family. > Gail >

Hi everyone, Now that summer is almost over its time to think about doing your genealogy research again -- And the best place to it is: Heritage Quest Research Library 909 Main Street, #5, Sumner, WA 98390 Phone 1-253-863-1806 We hope to see you soon -- each day we get new books donated so check them out. NOTE: We will be closed on Labor Day, Sept. 7th, to celebrate the day with our family. Gail

In a message dated 8/29/98 9:00:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, thomson@cardina.net writes: << Hi Gail, Would you please send me the days and hours you are open. I am coming from Michigan next month and want to make sure I am in the area on a day you are open. Thanks, Joan >> = = = = = Hi Joan, Just in case Gail doesn't get a chance to respond right away, to the best of my knowledge, this is the current schedule: = = = = = Sumner HQRL HOURS: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday 11:00am - 4:00pm Wednesday 9:00am - 9:00pm Saturday 10:00am - 4:00pm >From Hwy 410 take the first Sumner Exit, turn left at the light. (E.Main/Traffic Ave./Fryar Rd.) Turn right on Main St. (the 2nd light). We are in the first building on the left after crossing the railroad tracks. (Next to KC's Caboose, directly behind Astro Travel) There is Free Parking on Main Street and in parking lots behind (North side) the building. Front and rear entrances, disabled access on Main St. = = = = = HOLTON-L List Owner The Rootbound Researcher * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ^ ^ Kitty (CURTIS) Martin Kent, Washington - - k9504m@aol.com Researching: CURTIS, GATES, HENSLEY, HOL(E)TON, JAMES; ZIEGLER, SWIFT, POLK, GREGORY, GRACE (etc.) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/8946/index.htm

Regarding the question about having Psroots "Open" or "Closed" to casual posters, I think closed will help a little bit with the spam issue, but with another twist not mentioned by Cyndi: Rootsweb lists can automatically process subscription requests, with no intervention from the listowner required. Given the size and popularity of this list, I was surprised to hear Cyndi was still doing it manually. Well, knowing her I guess I'm not surprised she's doing that. I'm sure she'll still like to send out her welcome message to new subscribers, but the subscriber would be up and running almost immediately on sending in their request. Most people now should be pretty aware of how to subscribe to a list, watch it for a day or two, then post their query. I don't think that's an imposition for the large majority of list users. And spammers will not go to the trouble of subscribing to mailing lists (at least this week). Close the list to postings from subscribed members only, but also use the automatic subscribe function of rootsweb to lighten Cyndi's load a bit. Then she can direct her energy to another project..... Marty Cassidy cassidym@accessone.com (2 c's and 2 s's in accessone) Seattle, WA USA

At 06:41 PM 8/28/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi-my name is Kris; I have been through this program 2 times already... you >have no idea how profitable it is. It is definitely the fastest thing >available. We are talking' about thousands of dollars in 2 weeks time... <snip> AAAAaarrrgh!! Hi folks. Sorry to see another spam slip through. This makes 4 in one month. I hate to see this happen to our list. As I mentioned in a prior message, there are few ways to combat spam, but I will report this to all the appropriate people. We have two choices with our mailing list. We can make it an Open or Closed list. It is currently an Open list. This means that anyone can post to the list without having to subscribe first. I think this is best because it makes it possible for societies or possible cousins to post a quick note without too much hassle. A Closed list would mean that people could not post to the list unless they first subscribed. And all attempts to subscribe would have to go through me first. As the list "poohbah," I would have to read each request, then subscribe people manually. Under normal circumstances, I wouldn't mind doing that, but as things are right now I am a bit busy and would like to avoid being put in that position if possible. We have been very lucky over the last couple of years to avoid any problems with spam coming through to the list. I can't tell right now if the current problems we are dealing with are indicative of things to come or if receiving so many all in one month is just a weird coincidence. My inclination is to just sit back and watch to see if this is a continuing trend. If we continue to receive regular occurences of spam, I will be happy to close the list. What I need from each of you is a bit of patience as we go through this waiting period. Does this sound reasonable to everyone? I would hate to jump to conclusions, close the list and create extra work and problems if this is only a temporary situation. Please sit tight and just delete the junk for now. I'll watch it carefully and let you know if and when I make any major changes. Thanks for your understanding, Cyndi ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Cyndi Howells Puyallup, Washington PSRoots List Poohbah cyndihow@oz.net PSRoots-L Mailing List http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/psroots.htm To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: PSRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com or PSRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only one word in the body: subscribe or: unsubscribe

Hi everyone! I just glanced up at my "subject" line. Surnames and Spam sounds like a song title! About the "spam" on the PS-List recently: The most curious thing is that of ALL the lists I belong to (a dozen or so), "PS" has been the only one to be spammed recently -- at least the only one where the spam gets through to my e- mail. (Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm.) Since I'm also a List-Owner, I agree with Cyndi. The best thing we can all do to keep our lists open and available to all our cousins, is just hit that DELETE key and let Rootsweb manage the problem. Closing the lists would make the List-Owner's life pretty miserable--probably to the point that a lot of us would have to give up the privilege. About the "surnames" of my subject: I'm gradually getting my pre-1900 data listed on a web page. Put my minuscule HOLETON portion out last night and hope to get the HOLTON stuff done by end of weekend. (Cousins married) Check it out when you get a chance. I figure if you AND your ancestors for the past 150 years were all born in the Puget Sound area, we are probably related! As I've mentioned in previous notes, my data is taken mostly from family stories and handwritten notes (in pencil). I have some letters from my mom's side of the family (written in the 1850's) that are easier to read than the family history notes my uncle (dad's brother) jotted down 30 years ago. But, there is very little in actual PROOF. "Endnotes" for each surname contain verification. Obviously, my ancestors lived in remote areas where census takers feared to tread. These same ancestors were either so poor they didn't own land or the nickname handed down through the years is not the name on the land record. Wedding ceremonies must have been performed by traveling preachers and children brought into the world by a midwife that did not keep records! But the challenge is wonderful. The cousins I meet on-line are fantastic and I wouldn't trade this hobby for anything. HOLTON-L List Owner The Rootbound Researcher * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ^ ^ Kitty (CURTIS) Martin Kent, Washington - - k9504m@aol.com Researching: CURTIS, GATES, HENSLEY, HOL(E)TON, JAMES; ZIEGLER, SWIFT, POLK, GREGORY, GRACE (etc.) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/8946/index.htm I would be thrilled if ANYONE out there could help me fill in the blanks.