I sent the following info to the new Lathrop site on rootsweb.com which you can see and which you can subscribe to if you think you might have some tie or just to snoop around a bit among a prolific family that has played a big part in our American History. Their genealogy reads like a history book, to say the least and your chances of being kin to them is very possible, and that is why I am including it on this fine Puget Sound Roots website. Like my ancestral Cousin on Whidbey Island kept telling me - don't just dwell on your surname, but hit the distaffs - he knew what I'd find there, but he didn't tell me - he wanted me to find it and get a real surprise. Like Benedict Arnold! But his father in law was the famous Great Awakening author, Rev. Jonathan Edwards - ask any real theologian about Jonathan Edwards, or just try you Enclyclopedia. They weren't Lathrops tho, so let's get back to the Lathrops and this is what I have which is just a drop in the puddle about this fascinating man of the cloth who was a Priest of the Church of England, attained his Masters, and perhaps D at Queens College, Cambridge in England. But he deviated a bit from the Church of England's rigid requirements of the time and he became a Leader among the Puritans who defied "authority". He had approx 11 children by his 1st wife, she died while he was imprisoned, possibly at the Clink Prison London, (he got thrown into the Clink, as we all used to say), but his kids got him out but not before his wife died from ill health. After coming to America, he had about another 12 children by his 2nd wife, so from the 1600s down - you could be a relative quite easily. What stories you'd have to tell. The book EXILED The Story of John Lathrop 1584-1653 by Helene Holt 228 pp with maps, illus. etc. copyright 1987 by Helene Holt, via Paramount Books, Box 379, Seafood, New York 11783 A Novel that is based upon a whole host of facts and great genealogical reading. The story theme alone is worth reading, and it had been talked of being made into a movie, but so far as I know has not materialized as yet. That book was followed by a book copyrighted 1988 by Apoclypse Books, P>O> Box 1371, Provo, Utah This thin book covers the period of time of the Good Rev. upon his Arrival in America and his Family Tree. Not as highly interesting with 15 pp of text but of historical interest, followe by another 21 pp of historical info, and the balance listing descendants which is somewhat interesting to those related to him perhaps, but typewritten pp of info of family descendants, which couldn't include all by a long shot, but provides clues to ties. Here is hoping that you may see a tie, or a clue, or something that might lead to this fabulous family that covers so much of American History, the parts which you had wished you had spent more time concentrating on. Little did you relize at the time that you had ties to those events, and didn't know it. So, you hit the history books and find it fascinating reading because some of your folks were participants in it. And it is a good way to push your gen back and also have fun finding things you never dreamed of . Won't the history books of the future be Classics - Today history is being made, has been made, will be made - and what will the kids of the Future find in their History Books! Great genealogy, huh!!! LOL! KAMBTP I used to type at the Title Insurance Co. in Everett, which translated to Know All Men By These Presents: (before Equal Rights, obviously - gendre gap!)= --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: clarkw7iml To: Lathrop-D@rootsweb.com, hclark@plainfield.bypass.com Subject: MY LATHROP TIE: Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:03:07 -0700 Message-ID: <19980914.100308.14526.18.clarkw7iml@juno.com> THANK YOU Harmon Clark who e-mailed me re his Clarks. I did not see any tie, however, I shall keep looking among my Clark info for any possible tie in with your Line. Here is my Lathrop connection, but I will begin it with what I found about the name Lothropp, Lathrop, Lothrop and any other variants of the name that are similar: At the Seattle Public Library, Seattle, WA. I was able to find a brand new set of books - 2 or 3 volumes, but very large oversized which were in the basement and had not been shelved as yet. I was able to obtain the use of the one that was written about Yorkshire, East Riding, England where I knew that the Lothropp Fam had apparently originated. Rev. John Lothropp, our ancestoral Immigrant to America signed his name spelled just that way. The variants that I have seen for myself or know of are- Lothrop, Lowthrope, Lowthrop, Lowthroppe, and Lathrop. I have not seen any others, but I suppose there could be other variants as they have begun to appear on this rootsweb site. I can't, and won't even attempt to, relate the oversized books info. except to say that if anyone can find them(it) it had a lot of information about the countryside of East Riding, Yorkshire descriptively, and it discusses Lowthorpe which is a small village in East Riding. But I wish to say that the name we commonly call Lathrop, came from the place - village, or towne, called Lowthorpe, - the thorpe having derived from when the Danes had raided the East Coast of England in what is now the Yorkshire area and many of the towns or villages have the thorpe attached to the name. In this case, as far as I can tell the translation of Lowthrope, means approximately a Low Farm area or Low Place. The area consists of rolling hills, I understand. So the -thrope comes down from the times in which the Danes raided and settle in England and intermarried, or co-habited with the local population to become a part of it and the influence of the name places has remained for us to see in many places. The artifacts at York bore much of this out. I was able to visit York, the Capital, which was spelled something like Jarvik, or some such spelling that you will have to check out as I am doing this from Memory and my memory system is "relaxed" these days. You will need a fairly detailed map of Yorkshire, to find these tiny places but to me they are fascinating. It begins in my account with the English Gent. John Lowthroppe circa 1480 of Cherry Burton, E. Riding, Yorkshire, Eng. m Margaret Wade, dau of John & Margaret Wade, landed estates - John Wade held extensive estates at Cherry Burton and elsewhere. Lowthroppe was son of Roberti Lowthrop of Cherry Burton, no dates given for the latter. Children l m. 3 f. Then. Robert Lowthrop circa 1513 Cherry Burton acquired more estates & added considerably to them. He was yeoman of North Burton, will Junly 16, 1558, proved Prerogative Court of York Oct 20, 1558 he m. Ellen Aston dau of Thomas Aston of Fole, Checkley, Staffordshire. Robert d. 1558/9. Children 3 m, 1 f. Then Thomas Lowthrop June 19, 1536 Cherry Burton, eldes son of Robert, moved to Etton, Yorkshire circa 1566, buried Etton Oct 9, 1606, He was yeoman, m..1)Eliaabeth Clark,(NOT my Line that I am aware of!) wid., buried July 29, 1574, Etton., 2), m. Mary Howell, dau of John Howell, Sep 2, 1575, she bur. Etton June 6, 1588; 3) m. Jane Carter, dau Richard Carter. Children by 1) 3m, 5f; 2) 3 m, 2 f; 3) 5 m, 4 ft. Note: the 4th child of Thomas and wife 2) was our John Lothropp, John Lothropp, 4th child of Mary & Thomas Lowthrop, ba[t Dec 20, 1584, Etton d. Nov 8, buried Nove 10, 1653 Barnstable, MA. m. 1)Hannah Howse, in Eastwell, Kent, Eng Oct 10, 1610, dau of John & Alice ___Howse. You will have to read the rest of our ancestor in various accounts published over the years. But here is how my Lathrop Line descends from the Rev. John: Samuel Lothrop, 6th child of John and Hannah Howse Lathropp, b. Eng Feb or Mar 1622/23 d. Norwich CT Feb 29, 1699/1700. m. 1) Elizabeth Scudder, Nov 28,1644, Barnstable MA, dau of Thomas & Elizabeth SCUDDER. Then, John Lothrop, Lathrop bapt Dec 7, 1645 Boston MA da Aug 26, 1688 in New London CT. he m. Dec 15, 1669 Ruth ROYCE in New London CT dau of Ropbert and Mary ROYCE of New London. As a widow Ruth Royce Lothrop m. 1689 Abraham Doolittle. The 2nd child of of John and Ruth ROYCE Lathrop was Mary: Mary Lathrop d. Mar 14, 1754 Wallingford Vitals CT; m. June 3, 1692, William Tyler, Danbury Vitals, CT. Their dau Martha Tyler dau of William and Mary Lathrop Tyler, m. Capt. Abraham Clark Oct 4, 1721, Wallingford Vitals. CT. Martha was b. Oct 4, 1706, Wallingford Vitals, CT. She d. circa 1740. Abraham Clark, a military Capt. b Oct 11, 1699 in East Jersey, CT., New Haven Vitals CT, d Sep 23, 1789 at the age of 90. His 2) m. to Margeryu Gillet, Oct 4, 1742, Southington, CT. Abraham Clark was a desc of James CLARK, immigrant from Eng. 1637 aboard the Hector with Rev. John Davenport, and Theophilus Eaton, and in 1638 were Founders of New Haven, and New Haven Colony, CT. One of the sons James Clark, the Immigrant, was Samuel Clark of New Haven, and Samuel removed to Southington, CT. where he founded CLARK FARMS, SOUTHINGTON, CT. which became a vast complex of farms, making their own brick, from local materials, making their own tools, maintaining various farms and developing it into quite a large complex via the intermarriages that went together to make it quite a going concern, with their own cemetery(s). There is still a house on the site of Clark Farms built by the Clarks in 1721 still being used as a home, and I have visited 2 of the cemeteries which are well maintained even today. >From Abraham and Martha (maternal LATHROP) was son, Rufus CLARK b 1730, Southington CT, m. Mary NEAL (maternal Strickland), he d. 1803 Southington. Their son Joel CLARK b 1763 Southington CT m. Southington 1784 Phebe SQUIRES , HE d. . 1864 Decatur Co., INDIANA Their son Archibald CLARK b. Bristol CT 1794, m. 1816 Ontario Co., NY Nancy POPE; he di. 1864, Lima, ILLINOIS Their son Jason Squire CLARK, Jason S. Clark, b 1819 Switzerland Co., IN, m. 1838 Decatur Co., IND Anna MICHAEL, Jason d. 1896, Hartland, Klickatat Co. WA - located 12 miles NE of Lyle, WA on the Columbia River across the River from The Dalles, or approximately so. There is an ANNUAL REUNION of the Descendants of this Family called the Clark-Sorensen (Danish) which has been meeting since 1934, and I was able to find with some Genealogical Detective Work in 1983 and acquired my genealogy suddenly back to 1637 and James CLARK before I had even gotten really started in Genealogy. The Post Office at Lyle, WA was able to put me in contact with the person in charge of the Hartland Cemetary(sic. -that is the way it is spelled over the gate to the cemetery, but I could care less - I loved it!) That is where I was able to find the grave of my Great Great GF, thanks to Nada McMurrin, and Gladys Knapp her sister when they took me up to see the grave site, of course watching out for rattle snakes. I have visited there several times (mit boots, and caution- a young bob-cat sprung out of the tall dried grass as I was wending my way to the site by myself - scared the wits out of me!). I must say that I visited the MICHAELS Cemetery at Brownsville, OR which is on a knoll at the top of a private field - circa 20 graves there perhaps. Brownsville, OR was where the Jason CLARKS & the MICHAELS Fams arrived at after the long trek from Indiana over the Oregon Trail 1847. It wasn't until 1865 that the CLARKS migrated from the Umpqua Academy of Wilbur OR near Roseburg OR to White River Valley, WA Territory , now named Kent, WA slightly South of Seattle, WA. where my father, my Clark grandparents and my Grt grandparents are all buried in the Kent area. This is long, I realize, but perhaps someone out there may have a tie to the Lathrops or among the distaff and other descendants along the way. Hope so, as that is why I am making this available. Harmon Clark, please keep in touch with me as I just might run across something that could be of help to you even if it isn't a tie- in . Good hunting! Anyone who differs with me on anything, please feel free to contact me - this was from one set of notes, and I have had many notes, but I always feel open to corrections if they appear to be substantiated. I try to avoid corrupted info but it happens with the best of intentions. All mistakes are probably mine! Grammatical and otherwise! Carroll of Snohomish Carroll Clark,Snohomish,WA 33 mi NE of Seattle;10 mi SE of Everett 747 767 777 717 Plant. GEN: James Clark 1638New Haven CT;John Lothropp1630s;Wm Tuttle 1630s John Gibson 1630s MA;John Carman NY 1630s;Michael(Michel, Mikel Palatines 1770s; Scott, McMillin etc. Jason S. 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Check the Scandinavian (mostly Norwegian) collection at the Seattle Genealogical Society, including many bygdelag publications (old and new) and a set of Rygh's _Norske Gaardnavne_ [farm names] books. This is in the CampFire Building at NE 85th & 15th NE (call 206-522-8658 for hours). The 75th Anniversary Celebration is October 11-12 at another location, disrupting the regular SGS library schedule. The biggest collections of Norwegian bygdeboks in the Puget Sound area are at Pacific Lutheran University near Tacoma <http://www.plu.edu/> and the Nordic Heritage Museum in Seattle (Ballard neighborhood). The University of Washington, Seattle Genealogical Society, and Seattle Public Library downtown <http://latte.spl.lib.wa.us/> also have some bygdeboks. The Nordic Heritage Museum does not have its collection organized yet, as far as I know; an appointment is required (206-789-5707). The University of Washington Suzzallo Library's catalog, schedule, and other information are online <http://www.washington.edu/>. Suzzallo has some books on Nordic names that I consider indispensable, including the supplement volume of _Norsk-Isländska Dopnamn ock Fingerade Namn från Medeltiden_ by E. H. Lind (Oslo: Jacob Dybwads Bokhandel, 1931). This is great for an understanding of variant spellings of given names. Suzzallo has the multilingual names journal _Namn och Bygd: Tidskrift för Nordisk Ortnamnsforskning_, Rygh's _Gamle Personnavne i Norske Stedsnavne_ [old personal names used in place names] (1901), Rygh's _Norske Elvenavne_ [river names](1904), and many other resources. Suzzallo also has a Scandinavian Collection with more restricted access. The new UW library catalog starts phasing in Monday, Sept 14: http://www.lib.washington.edu/gateway/flyer.htm There are several LDS family history centers in the Puget Sound area, as well as the Seattle branch of the US National Archives. --Ida Skarson McCormick, idamc@seanet.com Chair of the Computer Interest Group of the Seattle Genealogical Society _____________________________ On 12 Sep 1998 Charlotte asked: Could someone from the northwest area tell me if there's a Norwegian museum in the Seattle/Tacoma area, and if so, what it's called, and the location? ....

Kevin: Rainier is a very small place at this time with several old buildings that could have been a hotel. The whole town at this time consists of a main street with some 10 old buildings only. If you will look at Switchboard or 411 for some of your names, you might find those names still there. If you would call information for the City Hall in Rainier WA, you could probably have a very interesting conversation with the few people in that office. They have one police car so I know they have some kind of city administration. They are some 15 miles east of Tenino and only 7 miles west of Yelm, a wonderful country community. Rainier is some 15 miles east of Lacey which is North of Olympia a few miles, really off the beaten path. Norma -----Original Message----- From: MR KEVIN D BOERS <kevin_boers@prodigy.com> To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com <PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 12:41 PM Subject: Ranier Hotel - Thurston County. WA >I recently was given information that my Great Grandparents Millard >Preston Thornton (1859-1940) & Sylvia Etta Robbins (1869-1932) >ran/owned a hotel in Ranier, WA (in Thurston County) in the early >1900's. >My Grandother Edith Gertrude Thornton (1890-1968) worked there until >she got >married in 1910 to Esrael Augustus Noble. Her parents were very >upset with her for leaving the hotel and her brother Verne Prescott >Thornton (1904-1998) did not like his new brother-in-law and threw >rocks at them all the way to the train station. Does anyone have >information on this hotel or any of the family I've mentioned. > >Thanks for your assistance. > >Kevin Boers >Mill Creek, WA > >

The Seattle-Puget Sound Area TMG Users Group meets usually the first Sunday of the month at 5:00 pm in the Newport Hills Library. However, because of the Labor Day holiday, the group is meeting the 2nd Sunday instead (Sept 13). Topic: Census. Directions to the library: http://www.kcls.org/npw/direct.html For further information about meetings or to be placed on this group's e-mail list, contact the chair: Celia Tomlin <celitoml@kcls.org> --Ida Skarson McCormick, idamc@seanet.com, Seattle

I recently was given information that my Great Grandparents Millard Preston Thornton (1859-1940) & Sylvia Etta Robbins (1869-1932) ran/owned a hotel in Ranier, WA (in Thurston County) in the early 1900's. My Grandother Edith Gertrude Thornton (1890-1968) worked there until she got married in 1910 to Esrael Augustus Noble. Her parents were very upset with her for leaving the hotel and her brother Verne Prescott Thornton (1904-1998) did not like his new brother-in-law and threw rocks at them all the way to the train station. Does anyone have information on this hotel or any of the family I've mentioned. Thanks for your assistance. Kevin Boers Mill Creek, WA

Listers -- Can anyone tell me if that is a website that has a listing of the individuals buried in the Crown Hill Cemetery in Seattle, King Co., Washington? The Cemetery is located on NW 90th and 12th NW in the Crown Hill neighborhood of Seattle. Thanks!

Looking for info on decendents for EDITH EVA TURNER JAMES SHILLITO, sister of my grandmother ANNIE AMELIA TURNER HAWKER. Edith's children are Alice May James Knight, Percy James and Gladys James Langille. May died in Seattle-Kent Aug 1985. Percy and Gladys lived in Ketchikan last I know. Believe Gladys had daughter Nettie Donahue and grandchildren John and Lorraine Donahue, John also lived in Ketchikan area. Alxo anyone know of good web address in Ketchikan that might be helpful, haven't found any active sites for that area. Thanks Jack Hawker SOMERSET; Hawker, Loader, Cozins, Howard PORTSMOUTH & LONDON; Hollings, Ballard MONMOUTH; Turner, Brown, Hawker, Selwood OHIO & MICHIGAN; Lytle, Perry,

HEALTH, The Herald (Everett, WA) Tues, Sept 8, 1998 P. 3D QUOTED AS FOLLOWS: Gene research - family style Mormons are genecist's dream come true By Kristen Moulton, Associated Press Salt Lake City- What do you get when you pair Mormons' affinity for big families and genealogy with their enthusiasm for advancing science? A geneticist's dream come true: a foot in the door at Utah family reunions. Where else can a researcher collect 200 blood samples in one day to trace whether enlarged infant hearts or premature labor run in a family? asks Ken Ward, an obstretrician and geneticist at the University of Utah. Ward says he and colleagues have been invited to countless family reunions since he came to Salt Lake 12 yers ago, drawn by its reputation as a mecca for genetic research. "We set up a little shade tent and have some orange juice and a phlebotomist," Ward says. "In between softball and hotdogs, people will run by to share family history, sign consent forms, learn about the study and, frequently, roll up their shirt sleeves and give a blood sample." Geneticists for 50 years have recognized the value of Utah's extended families and their precise genealogical records. And in the 20 years that genetics has been revolutionizing medical science, Salt Lake has become one of the centers of that research. The University of Utah isn't alone in the forefront. The Howard Hughes Medical Institute and the Huntsman Cancer Institute, both based at the university and searching for genetic causes of disease, also attract top researchers. "It's a matter of having built up over the hears a critical mass of very good research people. That in itself can act as a magnet to come here," said Richard Koehn, vice president of research at the university and a geneticist himself. Ward, a native of Long Island, N.Y., says when he was researching genetics in Washington, D.C., patients often didn't know where their siblings were, let alone their medical histories. "Here, you're likely to have met dozens of your cousins and to have seen the premature baby who is still on an oxygen tank at the family reunion," Ward said. Most of Ward's gene investigations begin with patients who, when queried, know of parents, siblings or cousins with similar problems. Ward discovered two genes involved in pregnancy toxemia using the appraoch. "Families here tend to be a little closer knit and more involved, for better ro worse, in each other's lives, business, tragedies and triumphs," Ward said. "Because of this phemomena we are able to see patterns that may not be as obvious to other investigators." DNA from three generations of several Utah families is part of a repository in France where geneticists from around the world obtain samples to create genetic maps. Ward said the Utah contributions have been among the most useful because of the size of the families. What makes Utah unique is that it had what"s called a "founder population." Several thousand original Mormon pioneers, manyh of whom were polytamous, settled the Intermountain West beginning in the 1840s and had large families who mostly stayed put. Some 2 million people in Utah, Idaho, Nevada, northern Arizona and western Colorado and parts of wyoming and Montana can trace their roots to those pioneers. "If the original pioneer had a mutation responsible for cancer that spread through the family, that can be traced fairly easy," said Bill Hockett, spokesman for Myriad Genetics Inc., a company searching for genetic causes of disease with the hope of developing treatments. Only Iceland and some remote island populations can rival Utah for its value to genetics research, both because they have founder populations and extensive genealogical data, Hockett said. Myriad, founded by former University researcher Mark Skolnick, identified a gene involved in breats and ovarian cancer and watched its testing revenue rise 339 percent last year after the tests gained acceptance in the market. The company has discovered a heart disease gene and is closing in on asthma and other cancer genes. It's also looking into genetic causes of depression and dementia. "You couldn't do the same thing in many places in the world," Hockett said. (A pix accompanies this article with the caption, "Ken Ward shows off photo images of genetic material from fetal liver tissue at his Salt Lake City genetics lab.") END OF QUOTED ARTICLE from The Herald. * * * On Sept 8, 1664, the Dutch surrendered New Amsterdam to the British, who renamed it New York. * * * Carroll in Snohomish. >>>30<<< _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi Gail, I think I have some flyers that the TPGS received this past week and will bring some with me when I come to work WED. Not sure of the time without checking my calendar but I told Ginger I would be there when she emailed me. Ellen McKanna Gail Edwards-Petersen wrote: > Hi everyone > I have a problem and I need your help. Heritage Quest Research Library > just received Seattle Gene Society's newsletter, with a brief description > of the 75th Anniversary celebration and seminar. The only problem is -- > there was supposed to be an insert, which describes the function and the > costs, BUT it was not included in the newsletter. > I need this so I can put the data in the Sept. 98 HQRL News and also so I > can personally sign up for the seminar. I know there are many others that > use our library that would like to have this information so they can also > sign up for it. > When I get the seminar I will put it up in the library for everyone to > see. > PS: SGS's seminar still is not listed on the Washington Gene Society > upcoming function page. > > Thanks in advance, > > Gail

In a message dated 98-09-07 22:29:02 EDT, you write: << PS: SGS's seminar still is not listed on the Washington Gene Society upcoming function page. Thanks in advance, Gail >> Gail, The seminar is listed in the Sept/Oct 1998 WSGS Newsletter as follows: The Seattle Genealogical Society will celebrate its Diamond Jubilee (75th Year) with a two day Research Seminar on October 9 & 10, 1998 at the Lake City Elks Club, 14540 Bothell-Lake City Way, NE in Lake Forest Park. The event will feature 22 lectures, including four keynote lectures and eighteen mini- sessions, presented by national know lecturers and authors. Topics will include talks on methodology, selected geographic areas, computerized research and opportunities to browse vendor displays. For information, contact SGS at PO Box 75388, Seattle, WA 98125-0388. Seattle Gen Society meets quarterly + 1st Monday of the month. Monday lectures are at 6:30pm. Library Hours: 10am-3pm Tuesday - Saturday; Mondays 6:30-9pm; 8511 - 15th Ave NE, Seattle, 98115, 206-522-8658. Thanks, Cheryl Hawley ============================================== http://www.webbergroup.com/home/ http://www.echoesarchive.com/ Senior GIS Technician Microsoft NT LAN Administrator Webmaster, Snohomish Pilchuck Cemetery Project St. Coordinator, CT/IN/NY/OH/VA Tombstone Projects St. Coordinator, Ohio & Virginia Biographies Projects Co. Coordinator, Champaign/Erie/Huron/Logan Co., Ohio Biog.Projects Co. Coordinator, Patrick County, Virginia Biographies Project Co. Coordinator, Kosciusko County, Indiana Biographies Project Co. Coordinator, Kitsap County, Washington GenWeb Page Contributing Writer/Webmaster, Country Gazette Newspaper, Orting, WA Webmaster, Mantrackers & Search Dogs, Inc. Newsletter Editor, Washington State Genealogical Society President, Echoes of the Past Archive Founder & Co-Owner, New Life Enterprises Chief Operational Officer (COO) The Webber Group "Glad to spend the rest of my life Climbing Trees!!!"

Hi everyone I have a problem and I need your help. Heritage Quest Research Library just received Seattle Gene Society's newsletter, with a brief description of the 75th Anniversary celebration and seminar. The only problem is -- there was supposed to be an insert, which describes the function and the costs, BUT it was not included in the newsletter. I need this so I can put the data in the Sept. 98 HQRL News and also so I can personally sign up for the seminar. I know there are many others that use our library that would like to have this information so they can also sign up for it. When I get the seminar I will put it up in the library for everyone to see. PS: SGS's seminar still is not listed on the Washington Gene Society upcoming function page. Thanks in advance, Gail

Dear Friends, Readers of the PS Roots List are invited to participate in the Wednesday Seminar Series at the Fiske Genealogical Library at 1644 43rd Avenue East, Seattle, in the Madison Park neighborhood. The classes meet from 10:00 am to 12 noon. The ten session quarter has a tuition fee of $35.00, although individual sessions may be attended for $5.00. September 16 Genealogical Resources in Alabama and Mississippi 23 Canadian Genealogical Resources on the Internet 30 Use of Immigration and Naturalization Resources October 07 Legal Documents as a source of Family Information with Robert H Stevenson, attorney 14 Doing Genealogy in Indiana and Illinois, Part I 21 Doing Genealogy in Indiana and Illinois, Part II 28 Panel Discussion of Research Strategies for Current Problems proposed by seminar participants November 04 Field Trip to Washington State Regional Archives in Bellevue 11 Introduction to Irish and English Research presented by Patricia Flores 18 Researching Maiden Names presented by Mary Peters Unless otherwise indicated, all sessions are led by Gary A Zimmerman. Please post this schedule where appropriate. Call the Fiske Genealogical Library at 206-328-2716 or Dr Zimmerman at 425-803-0938 for further details. The Fiske Library also will be offering its New England Institute during the Fall Quarter. On the first Saturday of each month, persons interested in New England genealogy may meet with Peggy Kleyn at the library from 10:00 am to 12 Noon. These Institute discussions will be held on October 3rd, November 7th and December 5th. The topics to be discussed will be set in consultation with the participants at the beginning of the quarter. Gary A Zimmerman, President Fiske Genealogical Foundation gzim@fog.seattleantioch.edu

I wish to thank all of you who have answered my queries/requests via PSRoots: 1. Cheryl Hawley, Treehistn@aol.com for her site information re swap and shop. If any of you out there want to look at an interesting site for this, be sure to give http://www.ebay.com a try, as you will discover a wonderland of swap & shop sites that is mind-boggling. Cheryl, that is truly a place of interest. Also, as webmaster of http://members.aol.com/webbergrp/snocem/hom.htm you have a fine site for that cause, also! 2. Kitty Martin of Kent WA, K9504m@aol.com Your ref to my query about Carman Manufacturing Co. at website http://www.springairnw/history.html was truly an informative site for genealogy. I had seen that business site with the Carman name on it over the many years, and wondered if it could be related to my wife's Line. Even she didn't know. It truly is, and the history contained in that site is truly remarkable and valuable. Then to find the direct ancestor, Patricia Tidmarsh back in NYC whose ancestor founded it is even more revealing.! I can see that the newly founded Carman-Roots website which is to join the valuable rootsweb.com system is going to, and already is, producing a lot of gen info for those who are kin to that surname. 3. Harriet in IL, Hrariden@aol.com Yes, it is truly a small, small world at times. Just since I have been doing genealogy, 1983, I have experienced so many "coincidences" that are uncanny, that it makes one wonder, what is it about genealogy that bring out these very unusual experiences. Now, I don't know your surname before and after you married, but you did mention NY, PA, IN, and later IL where you live at present. Please tell me more about your genealogy as to surnames, etc., because all of those places relate to places where I found considerable genealogy, so now I am curious to hear of your surnames. Perhaps there is NO tie, but again it pays to inquire I have found over and over. 4. MaryForsburg hpuck@nwrain.com I don't know where you are located, but I would be interested to know. Give my regards to your 87 yr. old Mother and I am glad she recognized the Carman Manufacturing Co. and to find out that it is still going strong putting out their product and that the product is still in the Family of the Founders, even if it produces its product under the name of Spring Air. When I went to the site that Kitty Martin suggested, I was amazed to find genealogy & history among the information provided by that site. There were pictures of the present Carman descendants with a picture in the background of the founder Carman. There was a history of the founders, how they got started in their business, at various locations such as N.J., IL, IA. The product began by selling it door to door by day, and manufacturing it by night. Then in 1890 the Carman procduct moved to WA, when it had just become a new State. Even Seattle had a branch for 2 years. By 1906 the operation was located in Spokane, WA and in Portland, OR. This website included pix, one of a 1920 Delivery Truck with the Carman Mfg. Co. logo on its sides, denoting the fact that not only did they make sanitary mattresses, but iron beds and couches, and other furniture. That 1910 had all hard rubber tires, and a chain drive (like a bike chain, but much larger!) and a Carman standing beside it. It states that today there is a whole fleet of trucks to ensure quick delivery of their product throughout the Pacific Northwest, a far cry from the door-to-door sales they started out with. Their clients have included Frederick & Nelson, Prottas & Levit, Otto Grunbaum, Rhodes Bros, A. Ambrose, Sydney Sykes, Porter, Schoenfeld, et al they point out. There is a early sketch of the manufacturing plant in this site history and the caption denotes that the building is essentially that same, except for few modifications and updating and is still in use today. This building as I understand it is across from the old Union Station RR Depot in Tacoma, where it was when I saw it many years ago, and little did I know that it was to have ties genealogically to my family as well as many others, including a newly found e-mail friend who lives in NYCity and has become interested in her ancestral background over the years. I have lots to share with her and I am sure that she will have a lot to share with our family, and we hope many out there in cyberland. Someday, I want to go to Tacoma and see if I can get a good look at the Factory that has survived all these years. Quite remarkable for these times! Hope you find that identification mark on the table, Mary! Again,I thank all of you who responded and for PSRoots to make is possible to share these things. This is one of my truly favorite sites, as the Friendliness is apparent and appreciated. Carroll of Snohomish. * * * 30 * * * _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Carroll, You are very welcome. Norma is taking over the webpage maintenance as soon as she gets her pc working again. Thanks for all your efforts with the Snohomish Cemetery issue!! Cheryl Hawley ============================================== http://www.webbergroup.com/home/index.htm http://www.echoesarchive.com/ Senior GIS Technician Microsoft NT LAN Administrator Webmaster, Snohomish Pilchuck Cemetery Project State Coordinator, Connecticut Tombstone Project State Coordinator, Indiana Tombstone Project State Coordinator, New York Tombstone Project State Coordinator, Ohio Tombstone Project State Coordinator, Virginia Tombstone Project State Coordinator, Ohio Biographies Project State Coordinator, Virginia Biographies Project County Coordinator, Champaign County, Ohio Biographies Project County Coordinator, Erie County, Ohio Biographies Project County Coordinator, Huron County, Ohio Biographies Project County Coordinator, Logan County, Ohio Biographies Project County Coordinator, Patrick County, Virginia Biographies Project County Coordinator, Kosciusko County, Indiana Biographies Project County Coordinator, Kitsap County, Washington GenWeb Page Contributing Writer/Webmaster, Country Gazette Newspaper, Orting, WA Webmaster, Mantrackers & Search Dogs, Inc. Newsletter Editor, Washington State Genealogical Society President, Echoes of the Past Archive Co-Owner, New Life Enterprises Chief Operational Officer (COO) The Webber Group "Glad to spend the rest of my life Climbing Trees!!!"

** Reply to message from MAlexan206@aol.com on Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:20:03 EDT Maxine, Thank you very much, I'll do that. John, in Lewisham, Greater London, England

At 07:15 PM 9/4/98 -0700, you wrote: >Certainly someone in the Psroots area will have encountered this problem. I >haven't until just today. > >I recently made contact with a large family contingent in Alberta, and went >to their family reunion last month. Many pictures were taken, and I'd like >copies of them. Of course, I expect to pay for the copies, but was >immediately stymied by the thought of how can I send them money? > >I'd bet their banks charge a fee for converting money, or at least for >processing a US check. I expect more financial transactions among us for >similar reimbursables, both directions. I want to avoid those fees if possible. > >Or is this not a problem? My bank would charge admission to their building >as soon as they figure out how to do it. I can just see their eyes light up >when I bring in a check drawn on a Canadian bank.... > >I hope this is a trivial problem. Thanks for the advice! > >Marty Marty & all - In my past life, I was the Operations Officer in the International Division at Puget Sound Bank, in charge of the computer network and in charge of the Foreign Exchange area. I traded in foreign currencies and set the bank's foreign exchange rates each day. So I have a tiny bit of experience on the topic. ;-) Canada has a dual-banking system. They have bank accounts available in both Canadian and US dollars. Often the rates are more favorable for them to convert the US$ to C$, than it would be for us to do the reverse here in the US. And they rarely charge their customers a fee for doing these types of transactions. Here in the US, most often you will be charged a small fee in order to obtain a draft in Canadian funds, or a draft in US funds on a Canadian bank. In addition to the fee, you would be subject to the exchange rate set by your bank that day. Some banks have a fee for exchanging currency as well. However, many banks in areas along the Canadian border will exchange currency without a fee. In general, with all foreign exchange transactions you will get the best exchange rate by using your Visa credit card. The Visa charges are put together in bulk and traded in several thousand dollar increments, thus obtaining a preferred rate. The Visa company passes the preferred rate on to the customers, showing up on your Visa statement with the US equivalent going against your balance. We use our own Visa card in all our transactions online and overseas, and are quite happy with the results and the exchange rates we receive. The absolute best transaction for you, if possible to do, would be to use your Visa card. If you cannot use a Visa credit card, the next best solution, especially for small transactions, would be for you to ask the people in Canada how much they need in US funds (based on their bank's exchange rates), then send your personal check to them and have them deposit it at their bank in Canada. This way the best exchange rate is obtained and there would be no additional fees at either end. Good luck, Cyndi

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_905105285_boundary Content-ID: <0_905105285@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII The writer of this e-mail and I are trying to find out if our respective Wisconsin ancestors are related. My ancestors (BARNEY LYNCH) first son was named John P., I'm sure after his father. I have no proof as yet but feel that there is a link between our two families if for no other reason than that of similar first names. Slim chance? You bet! Whole lines have been discovered on clues less positive than this one. --part0_905105285_boundary Content-ID: <0_905105285@inet_out.mail.tcsn.net.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <LYNCH-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from relay25.mx.aol.com (relay25.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.25]) by air06.mail.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Sun, 06 Sep 1998 13:28:56 -0400 Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by relay25.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id NAA17811; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19542; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19980906102227.08d71710@tcsn.net> X-Sender: rreddick@tcsn.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Old-To: LYNCH-L@rootsweb.com From: "Richard D. Reddick" <rreddick@tcsn.net> Subject: [LYNCH-L] Irish naming patterns Resent-Message-ID: <"CiKtsC.A.DxE.oYs81"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> To: LYNCH-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: LYNCH-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <LYNCH-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/395 X-Loop: LYNCH-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: LYNCH-L-request@rootsweb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lynch Rooters: Amy on the County Cork list sent over this interesting site. What is the naming pattern in your family? There are such traditions, and some of us may find clues in applying such a formula to our research. > >>From the Galway GenWeb page- > <"http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/9095/Galway.html"> > >"Old Irish Naming Patterns: > >1st son was named after the father's father. >2nd son was named after the mother's father. >3rd son was named after the father. >4th son was named after the father's eldest brother. > >1st daughter was named after the mother's mother. >2nd daughter was named after the father's mother. >3rd daughter was named after the mother. >4th daughter was named after the mother's eldest sister. > >"These patterns were not locked in, so to speak" > >"I've found this remarkably true in Ireland and in Newfoundland, but not in my >families once they come into the US. I think they often gave their children >American names to help them to fit in." Amy > I have heard of a couple of variations and formulas. My own Scottish surname tradition had to do with middle names. But this Irish naming pattern formula may have application to my wife's LYNCH line, and the mysterious John Lynch and Catherine McCarville who came to WI from Ireland by the 1850s. Continued success, Richard Daly Reddick --part0_905105285_boundary--

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Mary Ellen: Say hello to your mother Lorraine Forsberg. When I started genealogy she was a member of the TPCGS. Maxine Alexander