Hi - I am also very interested in securing such a program - especially with the index-- I put out a query some time ago and got no answers - a couple of suggestions but nothing that was what I was seeking - If you get such a recommendation would you mind passing it on. I would certainly appreciate it. the only good index program I got was the one from Brian Harney and it is really excellent --- but I'm seeking something different - Sure hope you have better luck that I have had. Harriet Reynolds Rariden in IL Searching: REYNOLDS, RARIDEN, GUNNELS, FAIRHURST, ROBINSON , SHIRTCLIFF, BAYLY in Canada, GREER,

Hello all - There are several great updates on the web site for the Tacoma-Pierce County Genealogical Society: http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/tpcgs.htm There are 19 new Ancestor Exchange entries from members of the society. There are also 15 new Queries from members and non-members. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THE ACTIVITIES CALENDAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/activity.htm Read details on two new series of classes for beginners, as well as the details for our upcoming fall seminar with Dr. George Schweitzer. October 22 and 29, 1998, 2:45pm, $12.00 fee Beginning Genealogy - Highline Community College Courses for Seniors By Maxine Carpenter, the course consists of one class and one field trip to the LDS Family History Center in Federal Way. The class will be held at the Federal Way campus of Highline Community College, 1st Way S. at S. 333rd St. Room 208, Federal Way, Washington. Call (206) 870-3737 to register. November 5 and 19, 1998, 6:30pm to 8:00pm, Free Genealogy Introduction (5th) and Continuation (19th) - Metro Parks/Tacoma Community Schools By Maxine Carpenter, this is a two-part course. The class will be held at the Mason Middle School in Tacoma, Washington. Call (253) 305-1000 between 9am and 4pm to register. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TPCGS MONTHLY MEETINGS I added a map from MapBlast to the TPCGS meetings web page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/meetings.htm It is a map, along with driving directions, to the Tacoma Public Library. I thought it would help visitors who haven't been to our meetings before. Be sure to share the above address with people who are thinking about coming to one of our meetings. It has all the details they need. I'm also working on another special page to add to the TPCGS site. It should be up in another day or two. Please stop by our site when you get a chance and see all the wonderful things TPCGS has to offer you to aid in your research. Hope to see you at a meeting or seminar, Cyndi Cyndi Howells TPCGS 1st VP & Webmaster cyndihow@oz.net TPCGS web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/tpcgs.htm Cyndi's List http://www.CyndisList.com

I'm interested in possibly abstracting information from original records, say death records, into a computer program to later have them published. Can someone tell me of a computer program that I can do this with (that's very friendly user) that would automatically place the names of the people into an index for the back of the book. Any help would be appreciated....

HI All. Just a note here to let everyone know that the problem is not all the one persons fault. Ever since they did the maintenance and changed the program, 2 or 3 weeks ago, everything has been sent to me at least twice. Including the messages. I have been trying to unsubscribe to PSRoots-L for some time now. I just want to receive the digest form. They are still sending me the L version, 2 issues of it. I would suggest that you check into that update. This is not the only list that that has happened to me on. My computer is old and small and all that duplicating makes things more difficult size wise than it needs to be. Please check into that and get it taken care of. Thanks Judy Bivens judysgen@aol.com

Thanks for posting this, Carroll - did you type it? You can go to the Herald site and copy and paste from there. I wouldn't see these articles if you didn't post them as I don't have access to the Herald in Centralia. There are several facts about this cemetery that have not been publicized. I'm sure these facts will be brought out in court. This is the most unfair situation any city administration has been involved in this state in years, and with all the bad publicity Snohomish County gets on a regular basis you'd think they would be sensitive to this and bend over backward to make amends. Obviously they are not doing that, they are insistent on building over this old cemetery. When the house for the Senior Center was moved onto the cemetery and a permit was requested, the city engineer informed those people (and they know who they are) that what they were doing was illegal because that property was divided for cemetery plots and contained burials, and those people proceeded without a permit inside the city limits of Snohomish. Then they added an addition and parking lot to that site, all illegally without city permits and inspections. Who are these people who can proceed to break the law and complain and literally campaign in their favor? State RCW's say a stiff fine and jail time for building over a known cemetery! Also, the Pioneer Village was built in the 1960's over another part of that cemetery that still had graves. It is well documented that the state removed 110 gravesites and the construction crew said when they finished there were graves remaining on both sides of Hwy 2 or 2nd Street in Snohomish. They literally moved tombstones from graves across the road to set up their exhibition cemetery in the 1960's - did they think the highway crew removed the graves from under the tombstones and left the stones???? Then these Snohomish Pioneer Girls and Boys who were all mature adults said they didn't think there were any graves left there. They wrote a book less than 10 years later saying there were graves there, quoted the construction crew who said they were there, and were able to look out at a bunch of tombstones at that time. Those people seem to hear and see only what they want to hear and see! Bill McDonald, Snohomish City Manager said, "We feel it would be better to get anything we find moved to a > cemetery," McDonald said, "because we are not operating a cemetery there. It's the most respectful thing we could do." Excuse me, Bill, but you don't own the city, you are only there for a few years, the cemetery has been there for 120 years. What does he mean they are not operating a cemetery there? How do you "operate" a historic cemetery? As for Leslie's comments about records and the blackberry patch, she has been told repeatedly by several different people records have been found, she has ignored that fact in every article she's written. We can only hope the judge won't ignore that fact. It should be an interesting court case. BTW - Glen Grace and I are the only ones from our little committee left on the Cemetery mail list and the stories we've heard in recent weeks would curl your hair. In New Jersey they rededicated an old cemetery that had been abused in about 1954. In 1955 the city began using it as a dumping ground and it is now buried under several feet of city garbage. Not as a sanitary fill, mind you, a place where the city threw their garbage to avoid using the sanitary service! A strip mall in Indiana began encroaching on a neighboring historic cemetery until there are only a few stones left standing and they have been encroached by the local telephone company who sunk a pole and put lines there to the mall. A telephone booth sits beside a tombstone dated 1850's. The rest of that family is under the parking lot. There are so many cases of private cemeteries surrounded by farm land where the farmer won't allow access - he will shoot you if you trespass on his property. One cemetery was dismantled by a neighbor because his wife was tired of looking out her kitchen window onto a grave yard - a fence seems not to have been considered. Our little committee which began on this list last December has tried to get some results for Snohomish and we have been turned away and ignored by every government agency in this state. It is just too bad we couldn't get the same help Andi is getting in Kitsap County where County officials are helping to clean up and reclaim their cemeteries. It only takes a few caring people in the right places. What has happened to Snohomish County? Makes you wonder! Norma

At 11:04 PM 10/10/98 -0700, you wrote: >Cyndi: >I'm afraid I'm the guilty party - I know better, sorry, sorry, sorry! >I'm glad they got subscribed though! >Norma Well, you know the punishment for that, Norma. You'll have to be the one to taste-test Frank's home-baked cookies at the meeting next Tuesday. Once we know they are safe, the rest of us may give them a shot. ;-) Hope to see everyone at our "Notable Women Ancestors" meeting in Tacoma: http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/meetings.htm Cyndi

Cyndi: I'm afraid I'm the guilty party - I know better, sorry, sorry, sorry! I'm glad they got subscribed though! Norma Cyndi Howells wrote: > > At 04:29 PM 10/10/98 -0700, you wrote: > >subscribe > > > > Hi all- > > As I'm sure you noticed, we just received at least 4 subscribe > messages sent to the PSRoots mailing list address, rather than to > the correct subscribe address. Since there were four of them all at > once, I suspect that someone posted a message on another mailing > list in which the instructions were incorrect. The nice thing about > it is that the computer software program which runs the list was > able to work around this and added four new subscribers anyway. > However, I thought I'd go ahead and post the correct instructions > here for future reference. > > To subscribe, send a NEW e-mail message to: > PSRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com > (for individual messages) > OR > PSRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com > (for a digest of multiple messages) > In the body include only one word: subscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this > command) > > Also, here's a quick reference about using any of the mailing lists > at RootsWeb: > > 1. There are generally three different e-mail addresses for each > mailing list: > > xxxxxx-L-request@rootsweb.com for subscribing to individual messages > xxxxxx-D-request@rootsweb.com for subscribing to digest mode > xxxxxx-L@rootsweb.com for sending messages to the list > 2. Turn OFF your e-mail signature file when sending any messages > to the addresses for the mailing lists. > 3. Make sure your "return" or "reply to" e-mail address is correct > in your e-mail software program's options fields. This is the > address used by the software that sets up your subscriptions to > mailing lists. > 4. Remember to frequently empty your mailbox at your ISP or online > service so that you don't miss anything sent to a mailing list of > interest (full mailboxes cause messages to bounce/be returned). > 5. When replying to messages on the list, remember to delete any > unnecessary text in the message you are replying to - saves space > in the message, in the archives and on everyone's hard drive or > printed paper. > 6. Send messages to *appropriate* mailing lists. In other words, > make sure your message fits the topic for the list. Example: I'm > seeing a lot of people sending general queries to lists like the > NEW-GEN-URL which is actually for announcing new web sites. > > Good luck, > Cyndi > > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > Cyndi Howells Puyallup, Washington > PSRoots List Poohbah > cyndihow@oz.net > > PSRoots-L Mailing List > http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/psroots.htm > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail > message to: PSRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com > or PSRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) > with only one word in the body: subscribe > or: unsubscribe

Sorry to be late with this news- this is old stuff by now, but I will present it anyway, since I see that no one else has here. Leslie Moriarty, Herald Writer must be back as I haven't seen her lately. She wrote 2 articles on Snohomish in the Local News section - the one on the Cemetery, and then the one on the new Library FYI, which has occupied the minds of many here. The Herald, Sat Oct 10, 1998 Sec B Local News, pp 1B & 2B. By Leslie Moriarty, Herald Writer QUOTED AS FOLLOWS: Fight over cemetery head to court Trial begins on Monday to determine if land will be site of new youth center. SNOHOMISH - After more than a year of study, a Snohomish County Superior Court judge will begin hearing testimony Monday about whether land att Second Street and Pine Avenue can be used for something other than a cemetery. A trial to determine if the land dedication of the two-acre parcel asd a cemetery can be removed will begin at 9 a.m. in Department 4 before Judge Charles French. The city of Snohomish, which owns the property, wants the dedication so a youth center can be built there. But descendants of pioneers who were buried in the cemetery in the late 1800s and early 1900s want it to remain a cemetery, although it appears now to be an open blackberry field. "We are trying to achieve a public purpose for the land by allowing a youth center to be built there," said Bill McDonald, Snohomish city manager. "We also want the senior center to remain where it is on the property. We think it is a reasonable request, and we hope the court will as well." Thomas Haensly, an Edmonds attorney representing the families of some who were buried in the cemetery, said his clients want the open space on the parcel left alone and they want a senior center removed from the property. "We hope to see the city put its facilities elsewhere," he said. "Legally and in reality, it is a cemetery and the city is choosing to ignore that fact." What has made the situation harder is that precise records for the cemetery have been hard to come by. It was begun in 1875, but burials there ended in the early 1920s. In the late 1940s, a highway was placed through the property and the state moved graves to other cemeteries in the area, including GAR Cemetery in Snohomish. Records weren't clearly kept, and no one knew if all the remains were moved. During tests the city conducted before going to court, some human remains were found. They were left intact in the ground. McDonald said if the court rules in the city's favor, city officials plan to relocate any remains found during the building process to other cemeteries. "We feel it would be better to get anything we find moved to a cemetery," McDonald said, "because we are not operating a cemetery there. It's the most respectful thing we could do." Carolynn Crawford, a descendant of Snohomish pioneer John Low, who was buried in the cemetery, thinks otherwise. She wants the cemetery property to remain untouched and wants to see it become a memorial garden dedicated to the founders of the city, many of whom were buried there. And she wants the senior center there removed. The senior center opened in 1992, when a small house was moved to the property. A parking lot was added. Across the street on what was the northern part of the original cemetery, a replica of a pioneer village was built. When those were put in place, Crawford said she and other protested, but the city wen ahead with its plans. City officials said there are no records of protests then. Haensly and his clients are asking that those structures be removed from the property and the entire area that once was the cemetery be re- established as a memorial park. "While there are no visible above-groiun signs such as tombstones that a cemetery is there, there are bodies there," Haensly said. "It is not right or legal to use it as anything but a cemetery." A recent discovery of a newspaper article from March 4, 1965, may hold a key, he said. It soeaks of tombstones being removed for a cemetery cleanup, and it appears, that they were never replaced, he said. Meanwhile, seniuors who use the center plan to carpool to the trial to show support for keeping the center located where it is. It will all come donw to a decision by the judge. The trial is expected to last three to four days. Attorneys for both sides said the judge may make an immediate decision following the presentations. The judge also has the right to delay a decision for as long as it takes him to make one. We're hoping to know something pretty quick," McDonald said. Both sides have the right to appeal the decision to a state appeals court, which may mean it could be six more months to a year before anyone knows for sure what will happen. You can contact Leslie Moriarty by phone at 425-339-3436 or you can send e-mail to her at moriarty@heraldnet.com. END OF QUOTED ARTICL FROM The Herald. - - - If it requires undedication legally by the Court to get the use of Snohomish Cemetery for a youth center, how was it that a house was placed on top of that Cemetery for a senior center, and blacktop for parking placed on top of it. How was that legally accomplished? How was the replica of a pioneer village built on top of Snohomish Cemetery, with various old buildings, a house, and tombstones from other sites of the cemetery removed and place in that replica village. Also a sign listed the prices of admission to view the replica village - the prices of admission were revised recently by 50cent more than the original rates on the signboard. The signboard has disappeared after it the price change was divulged. The senior center has an apartment upstairs and is accessed by a stairway in the rear of the house. Approximately 30 feet were added to the house fairly recently for Bingo and other activities, including a weight watchers meeting place, as well as other activities. What is ironic about that new addition to the house is the picture of an Indian ( Native Amer.) wearing his colorful garb - a very respectable picture in its pictorial quality - but, the irony lies in the fact that whole building along with its blacktopped parking area covers a large section - Section B - of that cemetery - named Snohomish Cemetery 1875/76 but was well known to we who lived in Snohomish in the '20s and '30s as Indian Cemetery, or sometimes we called it Pilchuck Cemetery. There were Indians (Nat. Amers.) and Caucasians buried there and we all knew it. We remember the grave stones some of them quite tall. We recall seeing the children's stones with a lamb on them. Below that cem. on the Pilchuck River was our popular swimming hole at "2nd Street bridge" a narrow steel bridge - it was policed by O.D. Morse our chief of police and he forbid us to jump off of that steel bridge as the water there was quite shallow and there were huge boulders. More than one kid jumped off that bridge and came to the surface bloodied by the foolish dive into the shallow waters, below more than one slaughter house up the river and one just below that bridge on the east side of the river. After swimming when we were drying off, we frequently climbed up the hill where we could enter the Cemetery and look at the various grave stones, and talk about Princess Pilchuck Julia, the very last of the Pilchuck Indian tribe who was buried there in 1923 where Pilchuck Jack had been buried years earlier. Another bit of irony is that most old cemeteries have some sort of record - oftentime available via a historical society - the local one. Snohomish seems to be notorious for losing records - did they just toss them somewhere along the way? Gross neglect, and irresponsibility - but some people wrote of it and there are pieces of the puzzle out there - people interested in their villages beginnings usually do those things, and they have memories - memories of their loved ones and their ancestry. Why should such a pioneer site - the only cemetery within the city limits of Snohomish be desecrated, and left for not? & & & 30 & & & ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

At 04:29 PM 10/10/98 -0700, you wrote: >subscribe > Hi all- As I'm sure you noticed, we just received at least 4 subscribe messages sent to the PSRoots mailing list address, rather than to the correct subscribe address. Since there were four of them all at once, I suspect that someone posted a message on another mailing list in which the instructions were incorrect. The nice thing about it is that the computer software program which runs the list was able to work around this and added four new subscribers anyway. However, I thought I'd go ahead and post the correct instructions here for future reference. To subscribe, send a NEW e-mail message to: PSRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) OR PSRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com (for a digest of multiple messages) In the body include only one word: subscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) Also, here's a quick reference about using any of the mailing lists at RootsWeb: 1. There are generally three different e-mail addresses for each mailing list: xxxxxx-L-request@rootsweb.com for subscribing to individual messages xxxxxx-D-request@rootsweb.com for subscribing to digest mode xxxxxx-L@rootsweb.com for sending messages to the list 2. Turn OFF your e-mail signature file when sending any messages to the addresses for the mailing lists. 3. Make sure your "return" or "reply to" e-mail address is correct in your e-mail software program's options fields. This is the address used by the software that sets up your subscriptions to mailing lists. 4. Remember to frequently empty your mailbox at your ISP or online service so that you don't miss anything sent to a mailing list of interest (full mailboxes cause messages to bounce/be returned). 5. When replying to messages on the list, remember to delete any unnecessary text in the message you are replying to - saves space in the message, in the archives and on everyone's hard drive or printed paper. 6. Send messages to *appropriate* mailing lists. In other words, make sure your message fits the topic for the list. Example: I'm seeing a lot of people sending general queries to lists like the NEW-GEN-URL which is actually for announcing new web sites. Good luck, Cyndi ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Cyndi Howells Puyallup, Washington PSRoots List Poohbah cyndihow@oz.net PSRoots-L Mailing List http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/psroots.htm To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: PSRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com or PSRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only one word in the body: subscribe or: unsubscribe

Hi Evelyn, Yes, "All is quiet on the Western Front!" Court Date: Mon. Oct 12 , Judge French, Everett, WA Time unknown at the moment - will let you know asap. So good to hear from you. I have been doing genealogy via the keyboard like mad and the screen is full of stuff - a lot of quite good in my ballpark these days, and nights. I found several new rootsweb sites - some through "blind input" - have you ever tried that - it works oftener than one would think, via the rootsweb system. I must QRT/quit now as we need new tires for our cars and this is the morn. for it. I love your little quotations, always, Evelyn as they really hit the nail on the head - and more heads need nailing from what I am seeing on TV these days. What a mess - I do believe the animals (the real ones) have more d- - - (that's darn) sense than a lot of humans - at least they know enought to come in out of the "rain". Very 73 - Best Regards, Carroll in Snohomish and I will write more, after tires, asap. Have been remiss, I know. Vive la Snohomish Cemetery ! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Bad News,"crying: Wolf!": panic, rumors, innuendo, hoax - our minds, TVs, news, are "flacked" (sic.) with it! Yet, it f l o w s minute by minute in our daily lives. What do we do about it. Not a heck of a lot! Does it matter whether it is 4" of snow, or 40' of it - in the long run, doesn't it really matter where it is and how much accumulation. Snow eventually results in H2O & too much H2O oftentime results in FLOODS. I know that Snohomish Valley f l o o d s from snow run off, and rain that helps it. Same with Kent Valley or "White River Valley" - GF Clark of Kent successfully designed a Flood Control system for the Duwamish Slough Flood Control System- he and a fellow by the name Fallgreen were the Flood Control engineers back in the' 30s, when previously no one there would listen to their plea to design a dam. It finally materialized at a much greater c o s t than it would have been had "they" acted upon the advice presented to them much earlier, in the' 20s. It is a matter of r e c o r d . Hoaxes, rumors, innuendo, panic are all potentially dangerous - but so are WX, of all kinds, earthquakes, volcanic action, poor health, and pestulance! Travel! I still say - be prepared! ( not fearfully, but logically). May we get through the STORM that our Nation is in currently! Be prepared! This is what I submitted to PSRoots on Fri, 25, Sep 1998 at 01:30:46-0700 (PDT) and I stand alone by what I wrote, even though I do not trust WX predictions; even professional Meterologists are at a loss oftentime. I don't believe in psychics, astrology, or other phenomena of that kind, even tho I have delved into it to see what it was about. Like drinking beer - it ain't for me - I used to help make home brew when I was age 5 - bottler, capper, and I'd sneak a huge spoonful of that spoonstanding malt extract in the round, tall, white carton - so thick you could chew the stuff - but oh! it tasted so good - that is why I love double malts to this day! Bad on the solar plexus area, & other areas, however. Amen: From: PSRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com To: PSRoots-D@rootsweb.com Subject: PSRoots-D Digest V98 #313 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Today's Topics: #1 Re: FW: Winter Warning 1998-99 [clarkw7iml@juno.com (Carroll H Cla] #5 Re: FW: Winter Warning 1998-99 [Patty Colleen Yirka <pwiard@northc]

I remember it too. My sister & I were at a basketball game at the High School, 'twas January 13, 1950 and the snow had fallen so quickly, we called Mom after the game to see if we could stay in town with two girlfriends (sisters also) and go home the following morning. Which we did, but a 2 mile walk from town to home took quite awhile, and it was deep, seems like it was to our knees. And I recall it snowed more during the month. Also vaguely remember hearing that several business in Tacoma kept their employees overnight, whether one night or more, that I don't recall. Anyhow we were out of school the rest of the month of January. We were on a school bus route and the bus could not make it up the cemetery hill road. Of course, we use to get snow, now a flake of snow causes school to be shut down. As a youngster in Illinois the snow drifted up to our window sills and we thought nothing of it. But we were really kids then and loved it. Antoinette waughtel@oz.net http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/savannah/252/homepage.htm At 06:44 PM 10/9/98 -0700, you wrote: >That rumor sure got around like wildfire. It was completely bogus and the >organizations that it quoted never said anything of the kind. Subsequently >denying the whole thing. The fact is we could have a bad winter and we might as >well not. Winter 1949-1950. I seem to recall the snow was about 2 feet deep but >then I was only a little shaver back then. Six years old to be exact. > >George Lowe > >TATANKA834@aol.com wrote: > >> John: You are probably talking about the mail saying this is going to be a >> bad winter? Six feet of snow in 1916 and 1950. I dont know where this guy >> moved here from but there was not 6 feet in 1916 (I have pictures to prove >> this) and 6 feet in 1950? I was here in 1950 where was he? Probably a >> Californian..... > >

That rumor sure got around like wildfire. It was completely bogus and the organizations that it quoted never said anything of the kind. Subsequently denying the whole thing. The fact is we could have a bad winter and we might as well not. Winter 1949-1950. I seem to recall the snow was about 2 feet deep but then I was only a little shaver back then. Six years old to be exact. George Lowe TATANKA834@aol.com wrote: > John: You are probably talking about the mail saying this is going to be a > bad winter? Six feet of snow in 1916 and 1950. I dont know where this guy > moved here from but there was not 6 feet in 1916 (I have pictures to prove > this) and 6 feet in 1950? I was here in 1950 where was he? Probably a > Californian.....

Right on Carroll about the Snohomish-Pilchurck Cemetery. There hasn't been much said about it lately. Is there an update? Anything in the papers? Evelyn

REF: The Herald, The Northwest section p. 3B Fri Oct 9, 1998 entitled Remains believed to be oldest home site (Associated Press article). QUOTED BEND, Ore - A hearth and the remains of five posts unearthed in central Oregon date back nearly 10,000 Oregon date back nearly 10,000 years and are believed to be part of the oldest home site ever found in western North America (sic.-CC.) University of Oregon researchers said Thursday that the ancient home site was a tepee-like structure covered with bundles of where hunter-gatherers lived while stalking bison and elk. It is more than 4,000 years older than home sites previously found, predating the Mount Mazama eruption that created Crater Lake and covered the Northwest and parts of the Great Plains with a layer of ash. "We found below the Mazama ash a hearth 150 centimeters below the surface. The radio-carbon date came back 10,000 years," archaeologist Dennis Jenkins said. "Around that hearth we found five posts that had been stuck in the ground. These are the remains of a burned structure, a superstructure, probably lodgepole pine that would have been tied in the middle, something like a tepee." Jenkins said the structure, near Paulina Lake about 20 miles south of Bend, was first discovered in 1992 but not publicized until researchers were sure. It is the oldest such structure found in the Great Basin, which covers a large portion of Utah, Nevada, southern Idaho, eastern Oregon and eastern California, on the eastern slopes of the Sierras. "We've found pit houses with dates of about 5,000 to 5,500 years old. Those are pretty much the earliest that I've been aware of," Jenkins said. The people who lived at Newberry Crater collected hazelnuts, blackberries and shokecherries. Remnants of these foods were found in their hearth. Crude tools made of obsidian were also found. The environment at the time, before a depp layer of Mazama ash made the soil coarse, was lush. There were more grasses and plants to collect. The site, at 6,300 feet elevation, was not used in the winter, Jenkins daid, noting that snow already has begun falling. The site is 25 miles from Fort Rock Cave, where the late Luther Cressman discovered about 70 pairs of sandals, made of sagebrush bark and dating to the same period as the Paulina Lake site. The Fort Rock discovery, in 1938, altered anthropologists" theories about how long people had lived in the Northwest. END OF QUOTED ARTICLE from The Herald. & & & 30 & & & -& this makes me wonder what "they" would find if they were to, someday, do some digging at the site of SNOHOMISH CEMETERY. Laughable as it may seem to some in comparison with the article above, but I believe, seriously, that that site is not "empty" or void of indicators of its PAST. Only one site of remains were found at the request of the City of Snohomish to try an archeological dig, to prove their point that there were no remains in that Cemetery, but "accidently" leg bones were found, but the rest of that skeletal remains were not uncovered. What if it were Indian, or today's parlance, Native Amer. That could have caused quite an eruption and there would have been ash all over the place. Then there is the retort - Well, if we find anything more in the future, we will relocate and rebury it, syndrome; attitude. SNOHOMISH CEMETERY w a s a Cemetery, i s a Cemetery, and s h o u l d c o n t i n u e t o b e t h e SNOHOMISH CEMETERY despite THOSE WHO WOULD KILL IT. It was, is, and should remains the earliest PIONEER CAUCASIAN/INDIAN aka "Native American" CEMETERY THAT IT IS - named formally SNOHOMISH CEMETERY 1875/76 when it consisted of 3 acres +- . The Hwy 2, now called 2nd Street, cut of 1947 was done via legal procedure of the time. Since that time, what has been done LEGALLY to that site? WHO was legally responsible for Snohomish Cemetery's upkeep, care. maintenance. WHO was responsible for the records of the Cemetery? WHERE are those RECORDS? If there are NO REMAINS in Snohomish Cemetery, where is the PROOF of that sort of mentality? Are there NO RECORDS? Are NO RECORDINGS - nothing written anywhere, anytime in ref to SNOHOMISH CEMETERY? It all just DISAPPEARED? What does GENEALOGY have to say about such thinking? Do records just simply disappear from the face of the Earth into oblivion, never to make an "appearance". I think N O T in this instance. Preservation of old houses of "historic value" is one thing; historic preservation of an HISTORIC Cemetery in Snohomish Cemetery in the City of Snohomish, Washington is of equal and GREATER VALUE by far to the Community, and it TRUE HISTORY! Do I make my point! Carroll of Snohomish & & & 30 & & & ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi you guys - 1950 was the year we got almost a foot in Oregon - I have pictures of me and Keith Wolfard building a snowman - wonder what happened to him? In 1982 I got in on the worst snow storm in 100 years in the mountains above Denver, about 1100 feet, and that was 3 feet. The snow was up half way on the outside doors and we had to use a broom to get out to get to the snow shovel. The mayor of Denver was ____ McNickels (you know, McNickel's Stadium in Denver) - it took 3 weeks to clean up the streets in downtown Denver and he was up for reelection that spring - he wasn't reelected! That was a snow storm. Six feet would have buried our house after it blew around! In Denver they would call what we get a light dusting! The next year they had the worst hail storm in 100 years - hail stones as big as grapefruits in Golden where they make Coors beer. The next year they had the first tornado up against the mountains in 100 years, and I said I was going back to WA and some actually had the nerve to say it rains all the time here. I find I really like the rain. If we ever had 6 feet of snow in this country it would never be forgotten. I don't remember 3 feet of snow in my 5 years in Klamath Falls which has snow 4 months of the year! Norma TATANKA834@aol.com wrote: > > John: You are probably talking about the mail saying this is going to be a > bad winter? Six feet of snow in 1916 and 1950. I dont know where this guy > moved here from but there was not 6 feet in 1916 (I have pictures to prove > this) and 6 feet in 1950? I was here in 1950 where was he? Probably a > Californian.....

I finally noticed this story was handy. -- jws Forecasters throw cold water on e-mail rumors of wicked winter http://www.seattletimes.com/news/local/html98/nina_100398.html by Diedtra Henderson <dhen-new@seatimes.com> Seattle Times science reporter Posted at 11:40 p.m. PDT; Saturday, October 3, 1998 Chicken Little's not alone. Over the past week, weather officials have fielded anxious phone calls and messages provoked by a widely distributed e-mail that predicted this winter could be the worst in 50 years. The official- sounding but ultimately bogus message warned of storms depositing 100 inches of lingering snow, temperatures dropping below zero and winds whipping up to 70 mph. The inaccurate information was attributed, falsely, to a Snohomish County official and Arlington mayor. Rumors, lies and innuendo, say local weather gurus. "We're calling it e-mail terrorism," said Christopher Hill, meteorologist in charge of the National Weather Service's Seattle office. "It's amazing how many people someone can reach with such little effort. . . . Maybe the lesson is people should realize e-mails are not peer reviewed." At a recent weather-service forum, National Climate Prediction Center Director Ants Leetmaa said that because of La Nina, this area can expect a few more inches of rain than average this winter, a little more minor flooding, and definitely more snow - perhaps up to 18 inches. Since then, the agency's updated September forecast backs down a step, predicting a weak to moderate La Nina - the cousin of El Nino and a condition in which weather patterns are affected by cooling waters in the equatorial Pacific. The forecast predicted no huge differences between this winter's temperatures and a normal winter, Hill said. The most snow the region received during a La Nina event was the winter of 1950-51, when 27.4 inches dropped at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport. The most severe winter on record in Western Washington - a blockbuster in 1949-50 - delivered 60 inches of snow, much less than the 100 inches noted in the e-mail. The University of Washington department of atmospheric sciences was getting so many worried calls that it went on the counteroffensive with a news release yesterday. "I think it's important for people to understand that we're not necessarily expecting a severe winter. It probably will be colder than last winter, which was rather benign," Cliff Mass, a UW atmospheric- sciences professor, states in the release. "People are likely to notice a change, but it's not going to be the end of the world." There's some disagreement where the bum information began. But once unleashed, the e-mail made the rounds through Boeing, Microsoft, local school districts and even traveled as far as Australia. "We've received calls from Yakima about it. Maybe they're thinking they're going to have waterfront property when we freeze solid and break off the coast," joked Ed Bacco, a program specialist in the Snohomish County Department of Emergency Management. "It's a shame, because people need to be prepared. It has the reverse effect when they find out this isn't true, and they're wasting their time." Arlington Mayor Bob Kraski, whom the e-mail purportedly quoted, said no other issue has generated this amount of attention. "You can talk about increasing taxes, you can talk about rules or changes or annexation. I've never had the response we've had out of this," Kraski said. Hill said the National Weather Service will again tighten its winter forecast next month, when buoys floating in the tropical Pacific spit back more information on the cooling waters that empower La Nina events. "Maybe we should put it out on e-mail," he said. Diedtra Henderson's phone message number is 206-464-8259. Her e-mail address is: dhenderson@seattletimes.com E-mail Comments to Editor : Comments@seatimes.com The Seattle Times home page http://www.seattletimes.com/ Seattle Times: Table of Content http://www.seattletimes.com/news/ The Seattle Times: Search Archive http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/search.html The Seattle Times: Browse by date http://www.seattletimes.com/todaysnews/browse.html Permission requests and information http://www/seatimes.com/general/info.html Copyright (c) 1998 The Seattle Times Company http://www.seattletimes.com/news/general/copyright.html

Hello to all, Would anyone have information on the two PENROSE sisters and/or their descendants? Mary Elizabeth-"Bessie", b.4/9/1874, mar. Sylvan CHANDLEY Aug of 1912, d. 7/14/1947 at Tacoma. Anna Floy, b. 3/4/1878, mar. Nelson WEHRHAN in 1904, d. 7/25/1974. Died at Des Moines, IA, buried at Tacoma. I am also looking for information on a N.E. JONES of Seattle. Son/dau. of David Grant JONES and Elva Olive (STRAIT) JONES of Portland, Oregon. Born sometime after 1892 (year parents married.) Has sister, Mrs. C.C. Richart of Portland. I would very much like to make contact with cousins from these long-lost families. If anyone has any information or wouldn't mind looking for these family members, I would greatly appreciate it!!! TIA, Janis

One thing for sure about our Puget Sound Weather, we can't really do anything about it. And besides, "if all of our troubles were hung on a line, you'd keep yours, and I'd keep mine!" Evelyn

John: You are probably talking about the mail saying this is going to be a bad winter? Six feet of snow in 1916 and 1950. I dont know where this guy moved here from but there was not 6 feet in 1916 (I have pictures to prove this) and 6 feet in 1950? I was here in 1950 where was he? Probably a Californian.....