Congratulations Cyndi: Saw your spot with Brian & Karen this morning on "New Attitudes"........ lots of good information.... segment ran for about 7 minutes and your push for verifying sources and using the LDS records came through great! Hazel in Mount Vernon Member of Skagit Valley Genealogical Society Mount Vernon, Washington Visit our website http://www.ncia.com/~svgs

On Mon, 9 Nov 1998 kns@sprynet.com wrote: > John, just a note... the use of copies is not related to being lazy. I > don't know how many times I have received transcribed information that was > not correct word for word. I chased one of my Middleton lines all over the > place because of a transcription error. Only when I managed to get > microfilms of the original source did I realize what time I had wasted. I > am trusting more of my own transcription than relying on others. Certainly > not all "sources" make mistakes all the time, but I still trust the > original more and I would rather "scan" an obit. > > Best regards, Steve Steve, I was refering to the gripe that the copyright kept information off web pages and CDs for us researchers. My point was, if they could, and would, verify the info from two or more sources then post/sell the info of their own work. Put another way, if they want to sell the work of others, they are lazy. \\\\/// \\- - -// (@ @) -----------o00o-(_)-o00o-------------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. -----------------------0ooo----------------- ooo0 ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_ / \_ ) John in Seattle

At 04:36 PM 11/8/98 -0800, you wrote: >For those that are "TOTALLY ENTHRALLED" with this subject .. <<<G>>> > >http://paul.merton.ox.ac.uk/ascii/smileys.html > >Dick S. > OK, in response to that I have added a new set of links to "smiley" resoureces under the Netiquette section on my web page: Internet Stuff You Need to Know http://www.CyndisList.com/internet.htm For those of you who haven't yet visited this page, here are the topics you will find there: Computer Viruses Cookies Copyright Resources on the Web E-mail Chain-Letters, Folklore, Hoaxes, Misunderstandings & Scams Internet & Computer Terminology Netiquette Newbies Privacy Issues Software Features and Utilities Spam Y2K ~ Year 2000 I hope you all find this useful, Cyndi

In a message dated 11/9/98 7:48:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, NellJune@aol.com writes: << Subj: Halberts??? AGAIN?????????? Date: 11/9/98 7:48:51 PM Pacific Standard Time From: NellJune@aol.com Reply-to: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com We got a mailing from a place called : U.S. Information Bureau, NUMA Washington, D.C. Tthe letter said: "We have a book for you called 'The Snodgrasses of the Civil War.' Is this another one of those from Halbert's, with a new name? And besides that, the book costs $49.95. And who is their "noted Civil War genealogist Sherry Harris?" And this is the part that sounds like Halbert's: "You'll also receive an up-to-date listing of virtually every household tht shares our name in the United States. You are listed in this important section." Information, please. Nell >> Nell, This IS HALBERT's !!!! Watch out! Cheryl Hawley

We got a mailing from a place called : U.S. Information Bureau, NUMA Washington, D.C. Tthe letter said: "We have a book for you called 'The Snodgrasses of the Civil War.' Is this another one of those from Halbert's, with a new name? And besides that, the book costs $49.95. And who is their "noted Civil War genealogist Sherry Harris?" And this is the part that sounds like Halbert's: "You'll also receive an up-to-date listing of virtually every household tht shares our name in the United States. You are listed in this important section." Information, please. Nell

John, just a note... the use of copies is not related to being lazy. I don't know how many times I have received transcribed information that was not correct word for word. I chased one of my Middleton lines all over the place because of a transcription error. Only when I managed to get microfilms of the original source did I realize what time I had wasted. I am trusting more of my own transcription than relying on others. Certainly not all "sources" make mistakes all the time, but I still trust the original more and I would rather "scan" an obit. Best regards, Steve At 08:05 AM 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Only the lazy people that want to use copies will be bothered. Even then, >there is still a way to use copies, if you give credit to the source. >In case there are errors, I would want to give credit to the source. >John in Seattle >

Would someone please look up Alex Cooper b. September 3, 1903, d February 1986 in Olympia for me? I need the day of death so I can write to the Timberland Library for his obit. The info I have is from the Social Security Death index. TIA, Linda McDowell in San Juan Capistrano, CA limcd@pacbell.net

On Sun, 8 Nov 1998, Dick Schweiss wrote: > Since I don't have cable, I didn't see this program .... HOWEVER, I > wonder if it's possible to send some sort of "complaint/protest to > whoever is responsible for producing that program, and informing them > that they MIGHT have given misleading information??? > > Opinions??? > > Dick S. > > Cyndi Howells wrote: > > > > John and all - > > If any of you saw the "New Attitudes" program on Lifetime TV last > > Friday night, you saw the interview they did with me and Karen & > > Brian from RootsWeb. I found it interesting that they kept hyping > > the segment by saying "You can do all your family history research > > online...from your home...see how easy it is..." etc. <snip> > > > > Cyndi > For s-mail; Lifetime Television 2049 Century Park E. Suite 840 Los Angeles, CA 90067 Ph. 310-556-7500 Didn't check for web page or e-mail \\\\/// \\- - -// (@ @) -----------o00o-(_)-o00o-------------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. -----------------------0ooo----------------- ooo0 ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_ / \_ ) John in Seattle

There is misinformation here. There is nothing to keep anyone from using the information in an obituary in their published works. The restriction is against using a Xerox or scanner copy. As long as you use only dates, and the names, leaving out the part about being a good boss and neighbor. Only the lazy people that want to use copies will be bothered. Even then, there is still a way to use copies, if you give credit to the source. In case there are errors, I would want to give credit to the source. John in Seattle --------- Original message --------- Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:30:29 -0600 From: Bill Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> To: OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OKGEN-L] - Congress Passes Bill Detrimental to Genealogists Sorry this is so long, but I thought it was important for all to know. Bill ======================================================== The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter and is copyright 1998 by Richard W. Eastman and Ancestry, Inc. It is re-published here with the permission of the author. ============================================================== - Congress Passes Bill Detrimental to Genealogists The U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate have been working for a while on a bill designed to extend the term of copyright protection by 20 years. H.R. 2589, the House version of copyright term extension and now named, "The Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act," was adopted by the full House or Representatives on March 25, 1998. The bill was sent to the Senate, where it languished for some time. In September the Senate passed a slightly different bill. The two bodies then worked out a compromise document. The House and the Senate passed S. 505 on October 7, 1998. President Clinton signed the bill on October 27, 1998. Per our Constitution, our government, "to promote the science and useful arts" ... secures "for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries." This balances the right of a person to make a profit, with the right of the people to the work (so they can freely make derivative works). Until 1979, the copyright term was 56 years: one 28 year term, extendible for an additional 28 years. Hence, in 1978 all works created in or before 1922 were in the public domain. In 1979, Congress RETROACTIVELY extended copyright terms 19 years, so that the material from 1923 has never entered the public domain. Now, 19 years later, at the urging of the Walt Disney Company, the Gershwin heirs, and many others concerned with their rights to keep exclusive ownership of intellectual property, Congress has RETROACTIVELY extended copyright terms another 20 years, to 95 years. This means that materials written in 1923, which would have entered the public domain on Jan. 1, 1999, will now enter the public domain on Jan 1, 2019. Materials written in 1924 will now enter the public domain on Jan. 1, 2020. And that, sir, is only if Congress does not retroactively extend the term a third time. What impact does this have on genealogists? We all want information. In this day and age, information usually is found online or on CD-ROM disks. Yet the people who produce those online databases and CD-ROM disks are now prohibited from reproducing materials printed after 1922. Newspapers after 1922 (obituaries, especially) will now be in copyright for another 20 years. You'll need to wait 20 more years before they can be transcribed and put online for free. Old genealogies, which might be useful if reprinted, cannot be freely reprinted or placed online for an additional 20 years. Historical materials cannot be reprinted or placed online for an additional 20 years. Likewise, obscure works whose copyright status is uncertain or where the heirs cannot be tracked down, cannot be placed online for an additional 20 years. For a much more detailed description of the impact, look at: http://www.public.asu.edu/~dkarjala/ My thanks to Richard J. Yanco for his update on the issue. He was quite helpful in describing the legal language of the bill to me. If you would like to contact Richard, he is at: rjyanco@unix.amherst.edu ======================================================= Bill Walsh bilwalsh@swbell.net My World http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/4113/index.html

Arnold, At 6:45 pm and yes there will be cookies of the edible variety (not the internet sort!). We moved up the starting time for the meetings because the meetings tended to go overtime, and we are committed by our room-use agreement to vacate the meeting room by 8:45 pm. Hope to see you there. We will save a cookie or two in case you're late. Frank Weihs At 02:09 PM 11/8/98 -0800, you wrote: >What time does the TPCGS meeting start on Tue and will they be having cookies? > >Arnold on Fidalgo Island near La Conner, WA > > >

Hi everyone, Reservations are going fast for our next class at Heritage Quest Research Librarys -- have you signed up yet. Nov. 14th: "Getting Started". Given by fellow member/owner of HQRL, Janet Baccus. 9:00 to 11:00 AM; Cost $10.00 per person. For more information call: HQRL at 253-863-1806. Our address is: 909 Main Street, #5, Sumner, WA. (next to KC Caboose). Gail

Hi Everyone, Monday Night Football Widow and Widowers Nights At The Library Are Here Are you a Football widow or widower -- we at Heritage Quest Research Library, in Sumner, have the cure for you!! Starting tonight, and for each Monday night through football season, we will be open our regular hours 11:00 am to 4:00 am, then extended hours of 4:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m., with Jim and Debbie Johnson to assist you. Do you know what genealogy related homepages & searches are on the Web? Do you need help with your Genealogy computer programs? Jim and Debbie will help you. Jim Johnson will be doing 1/2 hour internet searches for a $10.00 donation to the library. Yes! Even YOU can have fun on Football Mondays! See you at Heritage Quest Research Library, 909 Main Street, #5, Sumner, WA (next to KC Caboose. Call: 253-863-1806 if you need directions. Gail

Hi all - The Tacoma-Pierce County Genealogical Society's monthly meeting will be this Tuesday, November 10th beginning at 6:30 pm. Our topic will be: Web Browser Tips & Tricks and Conquering Search Engines by Cyndi Howells This will be a live, online presentation and will cover getting the most out of your web browser in order to make your genealogy surfing successful. Also covered will be the use of Internet search engines and how to get the best results for genealogical research. Our venue is the Olympic Room at the Tacoma Public Library, 1102 Tacoma Avenue South, Tacoma, Washington. See http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/meetings.htm for an online map and driving directions to the Library. Guests are always welcome at the TPCGS monthly meetings. You need not be a member to attend our free monthly meetings. See you there. Cheers - Mark -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ markhow@oz.net

The Seattle Times, Tuesday, October 27, 1998 Youth center to be built on old cemetery By Chris Solomon The dead who remain in a historic but neglected Snohomish cemetery must make way for new generations, a judge has ruled. Descendants of some who are buried in the county’s first cemetery had tried to stop the city from building a youth center on the property. They also had fought to remove an existing senior center, as well as a parking lot and a replica of a pioneer village that cover part of the 2-acre graveyard. A memorial garden should go on the spot instead, they had argued. But yesterday Snohomish County Superior Court Judge Charles French cleared the way for the youth center, ruling the property was no longer appropriate for a cemetery. “Too much time has passed and too much neglect has occurred (at the trash-strewn cemetery -- for this Court to conclude the interests of the deceased are better served by allowing them to reman in their present location,” the judge wrote in his decision. French also pointed out that a highway (Second Street, or old Highway 2) splits the graveyard, which sits near Second’s intersection with Cypress Avenue, near the Pilchuck River. The Snohomish cemetery has been the final resting spot for several Snohomish County pioneers and Native Americans since 1875. Cemetery supporters estimate that about 300 people were buried there. In his ruling, French said no more than 20 to 30 grave sites remain at the cemetery because many bodies have been removed and reburied by relatives. Only bones from one body were found in June after magnetic sensors passed over the area to find metal pieces of coffins. French ruled the land won’t lose its status as a cemetery -- and no construction can begin on a youth center - until all remains are located and reburied under a court-approved plan. A lawyer for those opposing the youth center, Thomas Haensly, said he didn’t know whether his clients would appeal the decision. Ten senior citizens, whose meeting place was threatened by the court case, showed up yesterday to hear what was good news for them. The red house they use as a senior center was moved to the site in 1992, and a parking lot added. “We essentially won -- we didn’t lose our building,” said Jack Davis, 67, president of Snohomish Seniors. Others, too, were relieved. “This is a place for several people who have no other place to go for companionship,” said Evelyne Robertson, 68. Snohomish City Manager Bill McDonald also was pleased Snohomish finally would have its first place for teens to go. “We’re facility-challenged, when it comes to youth,” McDonald said. ---------------- Chris Solomon’s phone message number is 425-745-7804. His email address is: csolomon@seattletimes.com

Arnold, At 6:45 pm and yes there will be cookies of the edible variety (not the internet sort!). We moved up the starting time for the meetings because the meetings tended to go overtime, and we are committed by our room-use agreement to vacate the meeting room by 8:45 pm. Hope to see you there. We will save a cookie or two in case you're late. Frank Weihs At 02:09 PM 11/8/98 -0800, you wrote: >What time does the TPCGS meeting start on Tue and will they be having cookies? > >Arnold on Fidalgo Island near La Conner, WA > > >

For those that are "TOTALLY ENTHRALLED" with this subject .. <<<G>>> http://paul.merton.ox.ac.uk/ascii/smileys.html Dick S. Cyndi Howells wrote: > > Hello Arnold and all - > After reading Arnold's question about <LOL>, I realized that he > obviously hasn't read my book cover to cover. I'm deeply hurt. > Especially after baking cookies especially for him. <BG> <---that > stands for Big Grin. > > There are several sites online with complete lists of commonly used > e-mail acronyms and "smilies" which are those little faces you can > see if you tip your head to the left: > > Emoticons - or - The Smiley Home Page > http://www.lib.utah.edu/navigator/email/emoticon.html > > E-mail Glossary > http://everythingemail.net/glossary.html > > >From the glossary in my book, "Netting Your Ancestors:" > > Smilies: > Angel O:-) > Crying :' ( > Cutsie smile or clown :o) > Devil }: > > Dunce <:-) > Frown or sad :-( > Hug { } > Laughing or big grin : D or :-D > Kiss :-* > Mad >:-( > My lips are sealed :-X or :-# > Raspberry :-P* > Rose @-->-->-- > Smile : ) or :-) > Smile with glasses 8-) > Sticking out tongue :-P > Wink ; ) or ;-) > Yell :-O > > Acronyms Used in Everyday Email Messages: > > AFAIK As far as I know > BAK Back at the keyboard > <BG> Big grin > BRB Be right back > BTW By the way > FWIW For what it’s worth > FYI For your information > <G> Grin > GMTA Great minds think alike > IMHO In my humble opinion > IMO In my opinion > LOL Laughing out loud > OTOH On the other hand > ROFL Rolling on the floor laughing > TIA Thanks in advance > TL ‘Til later > TTFN Ta-ta for now! > TTYL Talk to you later > VBG Very big grin > > And for those of you who are really into learning today, visit: > Netiquette Home Page > http://www.fau.edu/netiquette/netiquette.html > E-Mail Etiquette > http://www.iwillfollow.com/email.htm > > Teaching mode now turned off, > Cyndi > > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > Cyndi Howells Puyallup, Washington > PSRoots List Poohbah > cyndihow@oz.net > > PSRoots-L Mailing List > http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/psroots.htm > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail > message to: PSRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com > or PSRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) > with only one word in the body: subscribe > or: unsubscribe -- RESEARCHING: SCHWEISS, MEIER, SCHMITT, MEHLTRATER, STADTHER Visit my Home Page .... http://home.switchboard.com/daswamp Also be sure to see these: Millenia Corp. Legacy Family Tree ... http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/ GENSERV ... http://www.genserv.com/ The Genealogy Help Network ... http://ghn.genealogy.org

George Orwell "1984" "newspeak". It is unfortunate but you are certainly not the first victim of the press and not likely to be the last. George Lowe Cyndi Howells wrote: > At 01:51 PM 11/7/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Here are a couple quotes; > <snip> > >Have I missed something? Does he mean I no longer need a library > >card or a trip to the Federal Archives? > > > >Does he also mean we no longer need to search for Cemetery locations? > > > >When did all this happen? > > > >John > > John and all - > If any of you saw the "New Attitudes" program on Lifetime TV last > Friday night, you saw the interview they did with me and Karen & > Brian from RootsWeb. I found it interesting that they kept hyping > the segment by saying "You can do all your family history research > online...from your home...see how easy it is..." etc. Yet, I had > said in the interview SEVERAL times that it is NOT possible to do > all of your research online. I said that you can't find everything > you need on the Internet. The Internet is merely a new tool to add > to your already existing set of research tools: your society, your > local library, the local FHC, etc. I said it is now the most > powerful tool, but it doesn't exclude the rest. Despite the fact > that I said that in many different ways, they still hyped the show > the way they wanted to and they didn't use those portions of my > interview. The power of the press, I guess. > > Cyndi

Since I don't have cable, I didn't see this program .... HOWEVER, I wonder if it's possible to send some sort of "complaint/protest to whoever is responsible for producing that program, and informing them that they MIGHT have given misleading information??? Opinions??? Dick S. Cyndi Howells wrote: > > At 01:51 PM 11/7/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Here are a couple quotes; > <snip> > >Have I missed something? Does he mean I no longer need a library > >card or a trip to the Federal Archives? > > > >Does he also mean we no longer need to search for Cemetery locations? > > > >When did all this happen? > > > >John > > John and all - > If any of you saw the "New Attitudes" program on Lifetime TV last > Friday night, you saw the interview they did with me and Karen & > Brian from RootsWeb. I found it interesting that they kept hyping > the segment by saying "You can do all your family history research > online...from your home...see how easy it is..." etc. Yet, I had > said in the interview SEVERAL times that it is NOT possible to do > all of your research online. I said that you can't find everything > you need on the Internet. The Internet is merely a new tool to add > to your already existing set of research tools: your society, your > local library, the local FHC, etc. I said it is now the most > powerful tool, but it doesn't exclude the rest. Despite the fact > that I said that in many different ways, they still hyped the show > the way they wanted to and they didn't use those portions of my > interview. The power of the press, I guess. > > Cyndi -- RESEARCHING: SCHWEISS, MEIER, SCHMITT, MEHLTRATER, STADTHER Visit my Home Page .... http://home.switchboard.com/daswamp Also be sure to see these: Millenia Corp. Legacy Family Tree ... http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/ GENSERV ... http://www.genserv.com/ The Genealogy Help Network ... http://ghn.genealogy.org

Hello Arnold and all - After reading Arnold's question about <LOL>, I realized that he obviously hasn't read my book cover to cover. I'm deeply hurt. Especially after baking cookies especially for him. <BG> <---that stands for Big Grin. There are several sites online with complete lists of commonly used e-mail acronyms and "smilies" which are those little faces you can see if you tip your head to the left: Emoticons - or - The Smiley Home Page http://www.lib.utah.edu/navigator/email/emoticon.html E-mail Glossary http://everythingemail.net/glossary.html >From the glossary in my book, "Netting Your Ancestors:" Smilies: Angel O:-) Crying :' ( Cutsie smile or clown :o) Devil }: > Dunce <:-) Frown or sad :-( Hug { } Laughing or big grin : D or :-D Kiss :-* Mad >:-( My lips are sealed :-X or :-# Raspberry :-P* Rose @-->-->-- Smile : ) or :-) Smile with glasses 8-) Sticking out tongue :-P Wink ; ) or ;-) Yell :-O Acronyms Used in Everyday Email Messages: AFAIK As far as I know BAK Back at the keyboard <BG> Big grin BRB Be right back BTW By the way FWIW For what it�s worth FYI For your information <G> Grin GMTA Great minds think alike IMHO In my humble opinion IMO In my opinion LOL Laughing out loud OTOH On the other hand ROFL Rolling on the floor laughing TIA Thanks in advance TL �Til later TTFN Ta-ta for now! TTYL Talk to you later VBG Very big grin And for those of you who are really into learning today, visit: Netiquette Home Page http://www.fau.edu/netiquette/netiquette.html E-Mail Etiquette http://www.iwillfollow.com/email.htm Teaching mode now turned off, Cyndi ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Cyndi Howells Puyallup, Washington PSRoots List Poohbah cyndihow@oz.net PSRoots-L Mailing List http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/psroots.htm To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: PSRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com or PSRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only one word in the body: subscribe or: unsubscribe

At 01:51 PM 11/7/98 -0800, you wrote: >Here are a couple quotes; <snip> >Have I missed something? Does he mean I no longer need a library >card or a trip to the Federal Archives? > >Does he also mean we no longer need to search for Cemetery locations? > >When did all this happen? > >John John and all - If any of you saw the "New Attitudes" program on Lifetime TV last Friday night, you saw the interview they did with me and Karen & Brian from RootsWeb. I found it interesting that they kept hyping the segment by saying "You can do all your family history research online...from your home...see how easy it is..." etc. Yet, I had said in the interview SEVERAL times that it is NOT possible to do all of your research online. I said that you can't find everything you need on the Internet. The Internet is merely a new tool to add to your already existing set of research tools: your society, your local library, the local FHC, etc. I said it is now the most powerful tool, but it doesn't exclude the rest. Despite the fact that I said that in many different ways, they still hyped the show the way they wanted to and they didn't use those portions of my interview. The power of the press, I guess. Cyndi