Joyce, A friend of mine is one of the great-granddaughters of Darius Kinsey. Are you related? I have forwarded her your note. She has named her daughter "Kinsey" after her grandmother (who kept the name Kinsey as her middle name when she married). ---------- > From: Joyce Wans <jwans@ix.netcom.com> > To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: "Kinsey Photographer" > Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 3:20 PM > > Greetings, one and all! > > What a day! I get to combine two favorite pastimes: Family history and > visiting Costco. > > I found a terrific book at Costco today called "Kinsey Photographer" > about Darius Kinsey, his family, and his work. The photos are > outstanding and if you had relatives in the timber business in the late > 1800's and/or earlier 1900's you should at least give this a look on > your next Costco visit (find a friend to take you if you don't have a > card). The book is only $18.99. > > It is oversize, about 13" tall and 10 1/2" wide. 319 pages. No index. > The photos are beautifully reproduced. Family history of the Kinseys > and stories from people who were acquainted with him. Lots of his > pictures. Some old ads. This is a single volume edition of what > apparently was originally two volumes (and the price inside says "Deluxe > edition originally published at $150.00" but this edition is plenty > deluxe for me). > > My great-grandfather and my grandfather and some of his brothers built > railroad trestles for timber operations. That's what (I believe) moved > them from Wisconsin to Washington. On Tuesday, May 27, 1930, my grandpa > was setting explosives for bridge work at Sauk Camp near Darrington. > The Arlington Times reported the incident two days later. Here's a bit > of it: > > "The explosion blinded Wans and lacerated his face severely. . . > "Wans' companions brought him to Darrington for emergency first aid > treatment. A hurry up call was sent to Everett and the Everett > ambulance company brought the injured man to the General Hospital at > Everett, where the sight of one of his eyes was pronounced destroyed. > An operation was performed Wednesday in an effort to save the sight of > the remaining optic." > > There were a couple of other follow-ups in the papers. Grandpa did lose > both of his eyeballs and forever greeted us grandkids by tapping on our > shoulders with his hand telling us how big we were and then, every time, > he would move his hand over to where our heads were and, tapping his way > up the side of our heads to the top, with great (mock) surprise exclaim > on how quickly we were growing! > > Joyce Wans > Mukilteo WA USA

Ah, but the shacks and slum buildings bring in revenue, they are "country antiques". There is no profit in a Senior Center and a Youth Center. The progressive aims of Snohomish seem to be a little skewed. George is right on! Norma Carroll H Clark wrote: > > Snohomish TRIBUNE Wed Nov 18, 1998 P4, Opinion Letters to the Editor > QUOTED IN FULL as follows: > Youth center will be further insult to those interned in cemetery > To the editor: > It is, to me, immoral for the people of Snohomish to use the resting > place of our pioneers by desecrating their graves with buildings and > black top, and with further desecration, to be, with a youth center. I > can't understand why a city with a strong historical organization could > want to save all the old shacks and slum buildings in Snohomish, but be > unconcerned about our pioneers' resting place<snip>

Snohomish TRIBUNE Wed Nov 18, 1998 P4, Opinion Letters to the Editor QUOTED IN FULL as follows: Youth center will be further insult to those interned in cemetery To the editor: It is, to me, immoral for the people of Snohomish to use the resting place of our pioneers by desecrating their graves with buildings and black top, and with further desecration, to be, with a youth center. I can't understand why a city with a strong historical organization could want to save all the old shacks and slum buildings in Snohomish, but be unconcerned abouty our pioneers' resting place. If the senior center is to stay in place, it should at least be their and the City's duty to dedicate the now remaining property to our pioneers buried there, with a garden that is well kept, by the senior center and the Historical Society, and to further honor them with a memorial at the entrance to the garden. The Son of a Pioneer, George W. Huff Snohomish END OF QUOTE from the Tribune Letters to the Editor section. A correction to Snohomish School District address was corrected to: http://www.premier1.net/~barkonwd/school/SNOSCHLS.HTM The web page can also be accessed from "infoseek" or "altaVista" search engines by typing in: "Snohomish School District" (IN QUOTES). ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Arnold: According to the TPCGS roster Donna Mullen's email is : mullen@oz.net. Maxine

You may travel to Scotland, and the Brit Isles, as a Friend of mine did with 3 daughters, recently. Or, you may hit Salt Lake, or wherever to gleen what you can in those precious moments of research, grave pix, etc. Some go by automobile, while others must use air travel. HOW SAFE IS AIR TRAVEL? is the Title of 4 page documentary, or info sheet, on just that subject! If I may, I would like to submit this info for what it is worth to us, keeping in mind the prejudice that may be inherent in it, but keeping in mind that we don't often get this kind of Information. So, below I shall attempt to synthsize the high points of the source in order to maintain my record of BREVITY on PSR, that you are used to seeing: AC=aircraft meg.=million How safe is airplane travel? More than 3 meg. people around the world fly safely on commercial AC every day. 1997, world's commercial jet airlines carried approx. 1.3 billion people 18 meg. flights, suffering only 11 fatal accidents. How often does serious accidents happen? The risk for commercial jet AC where multi-fatalities happen is approx. 1 in 3 meg. Even tho they are rare, the aviation community world-wide is continuing to work together to reduce that risk. So is flying getting safer or riskier? 30 yrs ago fatal acci's. on comm. jetliners occurred approx 1 in 140 meg. miles flown. TODAY it is 1.4 billion mi flown for every fatal acci. - a ten- fold safety improvement. What's the risk of flying compared to driving? In the U.S., 22 times safer than travel by car accdg. to 1993-95 study by U.S. Nat'l Safety Council comparing acci. fatalities per meg. passenger-mi. traveled. The nr. of U.S. hwy deaths in a typical 6 mo. period- abt 21,000- roughly equals all comm. jet fatalities worldwide since the dawn of jet aviation 4 decades ago. Fewer people died in comm AP acci's in America over the past 60 yrs than are killed in U.S. auto acci's. in a typical 3 month period. Accident-related deaths, U.S., 1996 (Source:U.S. Nat'l. Safety Council) colored "pie graph" shows Motor Vehicles 43,300, Jet Transport* 130 (*refers to the 1988-97 annual average, U.S. airlines). What's the riskiest portion of a flight? Takeoff & the climb to cruising altitude. Descent & landing of the AC are the 2 risk-prone periods of a flight. About 3/4 of all serious acci's occur during these 2 relatively brief phases of a flight. Where's the safest seat on a jet during a crash? There's no evidence that any 1 part of an AC is safer than another. How do travelers know if AC are being properly maintained? Emphasis on preventative maintenance. AC makers anticipate potential equipt. failures in the design of AC- incorporating in the AC redundant back-up safety systems for all key AC features. (for instance, computer systems - for every computer, there are 2 additional back ups that will take over upon failure, if it happened-CC.). (I won't attempt to spell out all the maintenance details, govt. regs. etc. but AC maintenance gets top priority, or the AC and the airlines that use them would not be permitted to operate with poor maintenance- CC.). Are some jets safer than others? No, egardless of the mftr.- same govt. regs. apply for safety standards. The AC itself has been identified as the pri. cause in only 10% of all serious jet acci's, accdg. to world-wide acci. data. Wordwide, more than 3 meg. people fly safelyh on commercial jets every day. How do jet mftrs promote aviation safety? Focus on safety issues. Design practices updated continually. Sophisticated testin & analysis. Thousands of hours of testing on ground & air before they can be certified to enter production. Every AC is flight-tested in detail before it can be delivered to an airline. Pilot training & maintenance personnel training is essential to each AC. Is there any way to make air travel safer? Over the past 15 to 20 yrs, all phases of flight safety has been enhanced. High- tech devices have been incorporated to warn and to respond to conditions that affect flight safety and maintenance. Satellite navigation systems, and communications have greatly surpassed former methods of flight data and feed-back of flight conditions and safety. What's being done to enhance global aviation safety? IATA, International Air Transport Assn., ICAO International Civil Aviation Organization, IFALPA International Federation of Airline Pilots Assns; Flight Safety Foundation, & others, all are working to reduce accident statistics. In the U.S. the FAA in conjunction with world airlines, govts, along with CAST Commercial Aviation Safety Team is working to achieve an 80% reduction in the rate of fatal commercial acci's over the next 10 yrs. END OF A SYNTHESIZED VERSION of How Save is Air Travel? info included with the latest issue of the Boeing News. FYI. * * ARTICLE: The Herald, Wed. Nov 18, 1998 The Northwest section p 3B, title: Logging off e-mail nuisances Anti-spam law targets unwanted material flooding computers By Hunter T. George Associated Press. OLYMPIA - (Rather than copy the whole articl I will quote the following portion, and make refs. - CC.)In the circa middle of the article I QUOTE: "Washington's new law doesn't prohibit commercial electronic messages. Instead, it prohibits e-mail that contains misleading header or subject line information or uses a third party's Internet domain name without permission. Individuals can recover up to $500 for each illegal e-mail.". At the end of the article is: Information about Washington's antispam law is available on the attorney general's Web site, loc at www.wa.gov/ago/junke-mail Information about the WAISP's e-mail registry is available at http://registry.waisp.org The law went into effect in June. WAISP = Washington Association of Internet Service Providers, as you may have anticipated. END OF QUOTED INFORMATION RE SPAM FROM HERALD, EVERETT, WA ARTICLE IN SMALL REFS TO PARTS OF ARTICLE ESSENTIAL TO ITEM & SITES FOR FURTHER FYI. Carroll of Snohomish. * * * 30 * * * ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Does anyone have an E-mail address for Donna Mullen. I want to send her a list of the Mullens buried in Skagit County. Arnold on Fidalgo Island near La Conner, WA

Joyce of Mukilteo, I really enjoyed your commentary on Darius Kinsey's "KINSEY PHOTOGRAPHER" you picked up at a very nominal price. I have see these at Costco and some of the Book outlets, and what beautiful historical documentary he did. The sharpness of those pix are masterpieces of photographic expertise + the developing and printing that went with it. His eye for detail and interest will never cease to be appreciated. The story about your ancestors experience with the blasting that was done in those early logging camps was highly interesting. Thank you for sharing that with us! The interesting stories that come from those logging camps and those times are great to share as they relate the hardships of the life of the loggers, their logging camps, and their modes of transportation to and from them when roads were extremely poor or non-existant and they had to ride in and out on the rails, as no automobile could access them. What they went through and yet came out of it all with a sense of humor as an example to the younger of the family to witness, and perhaps to learn from. Carroll. * * * 30 * * * ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

At 03:20 PM 11/16/98 -0800, you wrote: >Greetings, one and all! > >What a day! I get to combine two favorite pastimes: Family history and >visiting Costco. > >I found a terrific book at Costco today called "Kinsey Photographer" >about Darius Kinsey, his family, and his work. The photos are >outstanding and if you had relatives in the timber business in the late >1800's and/or earlier 1900's you should at least give this a look on >your next Costco visit (find a friend to take you if you don't have a >card). The book is only $18.99. SNIP> It's also great if you like trains, especially narrow gauge logging engines, etc. Earl N. Armbrust, Jr. 1743 Blodgett Rd. Mount Vernon, WA 98274-5043 (360)428-0319 armbrust@fidalgo.net

Thank you, John, for the info re my query on Pialschie, which at one time was near the Kent, WA, one of the early pioneer sites in the area called Green River. The websites you mentioned, apparently done among Kent School District was very good, informative, and told a lot about early Indian (Nat Amer) life, their foods, clothing used for various seasons, modes of tasks in the various weather they encountered during the seasons of the year. I certainly enjoyed reading about that area, its earliest pioneers, some 10 yrs. before mine came up from Oregon. When I was researching at White Rivery Valley Pioneer Museum, Auburn in '83, I met David Neely there, a desc of the Neely ancestors some of the very earliest of the Kent area. He knew that I would show up again at the Museum, so the 2nd time I saw him, he handed me some great info that he had run off for me re my Clark fam. One item was the marriage papers for Peter Saar, mentioned in the Kent School Dist. info who m into our fam. and worked with members of our Fam in founding the Methodist Church in Kent, which eventually developed into the Methodist Episcopal Church on the corner of Central & ___, just a couple of blocks from my grandparents home, on Kennebec Ave. North.(now a housing complex site.). I did notice in the school district's info that they spelled my Jason Clark, Jason Clarke, and right away, I knew where they got that spelling from. In the bibliography, there was a later writing of the History of Kent, Washington and that book had errors in it to the point that my grandparents would not purchase the book for that reason. All our family of Clarks, were spelled Clarke, along with other items that they saw that were inaccurate. In about '83, I saw that a store was still offering the book for sale at $15/copy but on Sale for $8.00. I leafed through it and decided it was not of great value to me so I passed it by. The Library there has a copy, if I ever need to refer to it. The Bagley Volumes of History of King County were what I cut my teeth on, as I was 12 yrs old when I found one of those volumes among my grandparents bookshelves, found a biographical sketch of my grandfather, copied it, and 46 years later, I ran across that handwritten copy, noticed that I had omitted one line - drove down to Kent Public Library, walked in, went to a set of shelves that had all of Bagleys volumes in it, and that was where I got bitten by the BUG! I copied the sentence that I had left out, hit the Index for more info. and I was off and running with much more info about my family history which I found fascinating to say the least. Then upon later visits to the Library I found a room full of scrapbooks and historical information about Kent, and White River Valley. I just barely scratched the surface of the info available there, even tho I camped out in those rooms, before they became microfisched. The more I found, the more I needed to find much more. I know that I didn't get it all - there is tons more sitting there available, but I soon learned to play CLUES, and working the clues certainly does pay off dividends, tho I find that I have Lines which I cannot do so and they seem dead-ended, but it is really that I am not playing the right clues, nor the correct diligence. Thanks again, John, for steering me into some very interesting information available to me right on the screen and the convenience of my "ham shack"/"computer shack"! Best regards, (73) Carroll of Infamous Snohomish (but I still love it- despite the "newbies"!) * * * 30 * * * ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Greetings, one and all! What a day! I get to combine two favorite pastimes: Family history and visiting Costco. I found a terrific book at Costco today called "Kinsey Photographer" about Darius Kinsey, his family, and his work. The photos are outstanding and if you had relatives in the timber business in the late 1800's and/or earlier 1900's you should at least give this a look on your next Costco visit (find a friend to take you if you don't have a card). The book is only $18.99. It is oversize, about 13" tall and 10 1/2" wide. 319 pages. No index. The photos are beautifully reproduced. Family history of the Kinseys and stories from people who were acquainted with him. Lots of his pictures. Some old ads. This is a single volume edition of what apparently was originally two volumes (and the price inside says "Deluxe edition originally published at $150.00" but this edition is plenty deluxe for me). My great-grandfather and my grandfather and some of his brothers built railroad trestles for timber operations. That's what (I believe) moved them from Wisconsin to Washington. On Tuesday, May 27, 1930, my grandpa was setting explosives for bridge work at Sauk Camp near Darrington. The Arlington Times reported the incident two days later. Here's a bit of it: "The explosion blinded Wans and lacerated his face severely. . . "Wans' companions brought him to Darrington for emergency first aid treatment. A hurry up call was sent to Everett and the Everett ambulance company brought the injured man to the General Hospital at Everett, where the sight of one of his eyes was pronounced destroyed. An operation was performed Wednesday in an effort to save the sight of the remaining optic." There were a couple of other follow-ups in the papers. Grandpa did lose both of his eyeballs and forever greeted us grandkids by tapping on our shoulders with his hand telling us how big we were and then, every time, he would move his hand over to where our heads were and, tapping his way up the side of our heads to the top, with great (mock) surprise exclaim on how quickly we were growing! Joyce Wans Mukilteo WA USA

Thanks a meg. Cyndi for the SQUELCH aka nipping the the June-bug in the bud! For awhile there we were being checkmated with a kind of harassment. I was most happy, this morn, when "blindly" I tried subscribing to the GIBSON -D@rootsweb.com and low and behold, a few moments later, I was subscribed. So, now, hopefully, I can pursue further my GIBSON Line. In doing so, I was able to Forward a query on NY Gibsons, that I was unable to answer with what I have on them in GIBSON FAMILY - John Gibson of Cambridge MA and his descendants 1634 - 1899 by Mehitable C. C. WILSON, pub. 1900, (mine is a reprint). If any of you have Gibsons, or relatives of them, please e-mail me. If anyone has a DAMON line or DAMON info, again, please e-mail me. My tie with the Gibson Fam is via my grandmother, Grace Idella GIBSON who m. Irving C(lifton) Clark of Kent, WA. and Annie G. DAMON of Leominster, MA was her Mother; my Grt GM. The Gibson Family book consists of 542 pp. well indexed. Full of wars of America related genealogy. My wonder is if Charles Gibson, formerly, "Good Morning America" TV was of that Fam. Charles Dana Gibson, NY illustrator, and creator of The Gibson Girl illustrations, turn of the century, and illustrator of social/political life in America, oftentime the aristrocracy, wrote to my Grandmother Grace I. (Gibson) Clark yearly as they were 1st cousins from MA. Relatives in my direct Line Gibsons were: ERRINGTON, CUTLER, GATES, WOODWARD, GOSS, PUFFER, TREADWAY/TREDWAY, DAVIS, NOURSE, DAMON. The Immigrant, John Gibson, b. abt 1601, prob. Eng. lived at New Towne 1631,1632 ( later named Cambridge, MA ). * * * 30 * * * ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Monday Night Football Widow and Widowers Nights HQRL Are A Success Last weeks Foot Monday was a great success -- But, this week, now that we have a micro-film/fiche reader/printer (which was donated on Friday, by the Sumner FHC)...The night will be even better. For each Monday night through football season, December 28, we will be open our regular hours -- 11:00 am to 4:00 am, then extended hours of 4:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m., with -- Jim and Debbie Johnson as your Librarians. Jim Johnson will be doing 1/2 hour internet searches for a $10.00 donation to the library. Yes! Even YOU can have fun on Football Mondays! See you at Heritage Quest Research Library, 909 Main Street, #5, Sumner, WA (next to KC Caboose. Call: 253-863-1806 if you need directions. Gail

On Sat, 14 Nov 1998 K9504m@aol.com wrote: > At a Kent, Washington "history" site, Pialschie is mentioned. > > "Other small schools were built in the outlying areas. These schools were > generally spaced three miles apart to better accommodate the majority of > children who walked to school. The Tanner School (1898) was located on the SE > corner of 132nd and 240th. Springbrook School (1890's) was built on Talbot > Road north of 200th. White River School was near the river on 212th. Many more > schools were constructed around 1900 including Covington, Orillia, Ham, Swan > Lake, O'Brien, Willis and Pialschie (Thomas) schools." > > The site is: > > http://www.kent.wednet.edu/curriculum/soc_studies/text/grade3/Kent_Hist/kent_h > istbSaET.html > > Interesting write-up. Enjoy! > = = = = = > HOLTON-L List Owner > The Rootbound Researcher The URL was so long that I split it below. These include other interesting items as well. -- jws Kent School District Home Page http://www.kent.wednet.edu/ Grade 3 Resources http://www.kent.wednet.edu/curriculum/soc_studies/text/gr3.html Era of Settlers and Emerging Towns 1850-1900 http://www.kent.wednet.edu/curriculum/soc_studies/ text/grade3/Kent_Hist/kent_histbSaET.html Puget Sound Cities http://www.kent.wednet.edu/curriculum/soc_studies/text/grade3/ps_city.html Social Studies Resources http://sun.kent.wednet.edu:80/curriculum/soc_studies/soc_studies.html

Can someone help Jan? I don't know where to send her?? It seem that my Mother has just vanished from the earth. Her name is Estella "Janette" Allen Wilkes. DOB:December 4, 1918 at Seattle, King Co., Washington. Her parents were Sam Lee Allen and Janette Knox Allen. She had two sisters Wilberene "JO" and Sam "LEE", brother David Lee Allen. I have been looking for her for over 40 years now. No luck tho. I just recently made contact with my Allen side of the family and they said that they had not heard for her either. Her cousin Gladys Jenkins seen her in Phoenix, Ariz. in the late 1940's or early 1950's. Can anyone help Please. Jan LJSchupp@aol.com Hi Nora, I would love for it to be posted. I am grasping at straws to find her. I am 62 years young. She will be 80 in Dec. So as you can see there may not be much time left. Thanks Jan Hi Nora, I do have a little info on my Grandmother, Janette Knox Allen, if needed. Her death certificate says that her father's name is George Knox and her mother's name Mary Smith Knox. My Grandmother died 24 Dec. 1932 after giving birth from Hemorrage in Roosevelt, Kiowa Co., Oklahoma. Her and my Grandfather Sam Lee Allen also got married in Seattle, King Co., Washington, sometime in either late 1917 or early 1918. He was in WW1. He was stationed at the Vancover Barrack. Besides my Mother there was a son David Lee Allen also born in Seattle, King Co., Washington on 6 Nov. 1923. Another daughter who is Wilberene "Jo" Allen born in May or June 21, 1925 in Pacific Co., Washington. This is from the LDS library letter I got. Just thought this may help. Thanks you so much. Jan -- Mailto:Norahiatt@sprintmail.com Andrew Manar Where are YOU??? http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/i/a/Nora-Ann-Hiatt-WA/

The following information was posted to the Oregon List, with the suggestion to pass it on to other lists. It had coding problems when I looked at it but the information was still there. Just keep scrolling down the page. - - - - - - - - - - Today's url is a brand new website. The Emigrant Ship Lists Transcribers Guild http://iigs.rootsweb.com/immships/index1.html This ambitious project has 200 volunteers transcribing ships lists from NARA to put online for free. There are presently 75 lists transcribed and many more links with transcribed lists already online at various genealogy websites which are being collected and organized on this site. This is a noteworthy list as it brings The Genealogy Community together to promote free and easy access to sources for genealogists. The Genealogy Help Network http://ghn.genealogy.org has 'donated' a link to our transcribed passenger list The" ERIN 1813, with several more not online as yet. Please pass this along to another mailing list so that others might learn of this great undertaking! The Genealogy Help Network http://ghn.genealogy.org Genealogy Help Network ICQ#17003442 - - - - - - - - - - Good luck and enjoy! HOLTON-L List Owner The Rootbound Researcher * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ^ ^ Kitty (CURTIS) Martin Kent, Washington - - k9504m@aol.com Researching: CURTIS, GATES, HENSLEY, HOL(E)TON, JAMES; ZIEGLER, SWIFT, POLK, GREGORY, GRACE (etc.) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/8946/index.htm

I have lost the address for the party asking for McClure marriages in Lake County. There are a few; please send your original query again. Al Fischer

Wendy, If you haven't already done so check W.P.Bonney's "History of Pierce County" under the bio's for Muehler, Carl F. and Muehler, Otto F. You'll find some info there. George Lowe MS WENDY L ADAMS wrote: > Thank you HQRL for your quick turnaround on the Orting books I > ordered. I shared them with my dad and he said they were full of > families he knew as a child. But he was disappointed that only one > small group of his relatives were mentioned. I told him that's what > happens when your family doesn't produce dozens of offspring OR > remain in the same town you grew up in. I also told him that if he > feels there were omissions, write his own book... > > What I need to do is capture his memories. Such as that my > grandmother worked in the Old Soldier's Home in the late 1910's and > early '20's after her first husband was killed; the bulb farms of the > Reise's (sp?) which we saw when we visited Wilmer when I was small); > my grandparents 3 acre raspberry farm (which has a street address > now!); and the Mullers (Dad doesn't know how his relatives spelled > their Muller name) who had hops and then uprooted and went back to > Germany to collect an inheritance and never returned. My dad's > cousin is in her late 80's and came here as a child and had to go > back to Germany prior to WWI. The family ended up behind the Iron > Curtain after WWII and only in the past 10 years we've been able to > visit. And then there's the uncle who made bootleg raspberry wine in > the '20's and '30's. Lots of stories and memories. > > I think there's still a cousin of Dad's who lives in Orting. Her > name is Elsie Hickstein (the family says she's more than a little > eccentric to put it politely). > > Anyway, that's enough reminiscing. I really enjoy reading the > letters back and forth for the most part. Thank you Cyndi for making > a decision on the item which was inappropriate for this list. > > Although I live on the "other" side of the Cascades, my parents both > were born in the Puget Sound area. I'm seeking information for the > following: > > ADAMS (August died 1955, buried in Sumner Cemetary) my grandfather > ADAMS (J. Gertrude, known by Gertrude, died 1969 buried in Sumner > Cemetary. After my grandfather died, she lived on Boyd Ave. in > Sumner right next to the park.--another childhood memory. > > GEBHARDT--Gertrudes first husband, a virtual unknown to his > grandchildren. Died in a car/train accident we think. > > HICKSTEIN--Otto, Elsie and Elsie > > JANIG, Alfred and Louise (Louise was Otto H's sister and Alfred was > Elsie and Gertrude's brother) Irmgard and Gertrude were their > children. Both are still alive and kicking somewhere. (Paul died > young) > > BRONKOWSKI (sp?) or GARRISH (sp?) Caroline. She lived on the west > side of the road from Sumner to Orting. I wish I knew some addresses. > Caroline was my grandfather's sister and was married the second > time to Garrish who supposedly had some sort of machine or metal > works place in Tacoma. I hear she REALLY liked men (my grandmother > didn't like her). Dad said she was just 50 years ahead of her time. > Avid golfer, I think. > > By the way, my dad is Leslie Adams, born 1928 at home north of Orting > (closer to McMillan I think). His brothers were William (deceased), > Alfred and Werner (deceased) Gebhardt. All first generation > Americans. Gertrude and her first husband were from Mittweida > Germany and August Adams was from near Lipno, Poland (Prussian at the > time). > > And for my mom's side who resided in Everett/Lake Steven's area: > > We have: > > SUDDS (Willard, Homer, and offspring) > GARNO (Nels, Emma, daughter Sophie (m. W, Sudds), Nels and Ruth) > TIEDEMAN (Gurina, Olaf, Gerhard, Ruth, Esther, Emily, Cliff, Willy, > and descendents) > > There are lots of current relatives and if any are out there reading > the postings, I'd like to communicate and share info. > > Have books been published for Everett and Snohomish county relating > to the families and history of the area? I had one in college called > Mill Town (I think that was the name) but my mom absconded with it > and I haven't seen it in over 20 years. > > Thanks again. > > Wendy Adams > Kennewick

In a message dated 11/14/98 7:25:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, RRPS62A@prodigy.com writes: << HICKSTEIN--Otto, Elsie and Elsie >> Wendy, My best friend's greatuncle (?) is Otto Hickstein!!! This has to be the same family. They were in Orting. She doesn't have internet access, so I will forward your email to her by snail mail. Could you send me your address so she may correspond with you? Thanks, Cheryl Hawley

Thank you HQRL for your quick turnaround on the Orting books I ordered. I shared them with my dad and he said they were full of families he knew as a child. But he was disappointed that only one small group of his relatives were mentioned. I told him that's what happens when your family doesn't produce dozens of offspring OR remain in the same town you grew up in. I also told him that if he feels there were omissions, write his own book... What I need to do is capture his memories. Such as that my grandmother worked in the Old Soldier's Home in the late 1910's and early '20's after her first husband was killed; the bulb farms of the Reise's (sp?) which we saw when we visited Wilmer when I was small); my grandparents 3 acre raspberry farm (which has a street address now!); and the Mullers (Dad doesn't know how his relatives spelled their Muller name) who had hops and then uprooted and went back to Germany to collect an inheritance and never returned. My dad's cousin is in her late 80's and came here as a child and had to go back to Germany prior to WWI. The family ended up behind the Iron Curtain after WWII and only in the past 10 years we've been able to visit. And then there's the uncle who made bootleg raspberry wine in the '20's and '30's. Lots of stories and memories. I think there's still a cousin of Dad's who lives in Orting. Her name is Elsie Hickstein (the family says she's more than a little eccentric to put it politely). Anyway, that's enough reminiscing. I really enjoy reading the letters back and forth for the most part. Thank you Cyndi for making a decision on the item which was inappropriate for this list. Although I live on the "other" side of the Cascades, my parents both were born in the Puget Sound area. I'm seeking information for the following: ADAMS (August died 1955, buried in Sumner Cemetary) my grandfather ADAMS (J. Gertrude, known by Gertrude, died 1969 buried in Sumner Cemetary. After my grandfather died, she lived on Boyd Ave. in Sumner right next to the park.--another childhood memory. GEBHARDT--Gertrudes first husband, a virtual unknown to his grandchildren. Died in a car/train accident we think. HICKSTEIN--Otto, Elsie and Elsie JANIG, Alfred and Louise (Louise was Otto H's sister and Alfred was Elsie and Gertrude's brother) Irmgard and Gertrude were their children. Both are still alive and kicking somewhere. (Paul died young) BRONKOWSKI (sp?) or GARRISH (sp?) Caroline. She lived on the west side of the road from Sumner to Orting. I wish I knew some addresses. Caroline was my grandfather's sister and was married the second time to Garrish who supposedly had some sort of machine or metal works place in Tacoma. I hear she REALLY liked men (my grandmother didn't like her). Dad said she was just 50 years ahead of her time. Avid golfer, I think. By the way, my dad is Leslie Adams, born 1928 at home north of Orting (closer to McMillan I think). His brothers were William (deceased), Alfred and Werner (deceased) Gebhardt. All first generation Americans. Gertrude and her first husband were from Mittweida Germany and August Adams was from near Lipno, Poland (Prussian at the time). And for my mom's side who resided in Everett/Lake Steven's area: We have: SUDDS (Willard, Homer, and offspring) GARNO (Nels, Emma, daughter Sophie (m. W, Sudds), Nels and Ruth) TIEDEMAN (Gurina, Olaf, Gerhard, Ruth, Esther, Emily, Cliff, Willy, and descendents) There are lots of current relatives and if any are out there reading the postings, I'd like to communicate and share info. Have books been published for Everett and Snohomish county relating to the families and history of the area? I had one in college called Mill Town (I think that was the name) but my mom absconded with it and I haven't seen it in over 20 years. Thanks again. Wendy Adams Kennewick

On Sat, 14 Nov 1998, Antoinette Waughtel Sorensen <waughtel@oz.net> wrote: >Marianne, after telling you I would e-mail you my webpage I couldn't >find your e-mail address. >>Antoinette >waughtel@oz.net > Annette, I spoke with Marianne last week. She had experienced computer problems and had been off line for some time. She hopes to have her daughter come over to get her up and running again soon. Carolyn