Thank you Ralph for your speedy answer. Is the public park you are referring to, the Woodland Park Zoo? If so, then I have a pretty good guesstimate about where it is located. Evelyn

Hi John, I have seen you on my screen a couple of times in reply to some items that were brought out on Puget Sound Roots (PSR), the gen. voice of our NW portion of the U.S. I am interested in knowing the following: 1. I need enlightenment on what Greater London means more specifically. London within the ancient Wall? The main part of London, whatever that might be? Pardon my ignorance but I would like to know more. And is Lewisham a section of it - I would appreciate knowing more. 2. Are you anywhere near the old Guildhall? I am particularly interested in the Guildhall area and more specifically slightly East of it, as I recall, namely Coleman Street - a very short street that has existed for centuries, not unusual for London. 3. Are you interested in genealogy, and if so perhaps you could mention some surnames that you have been able to trace among them. 4. My reason for asking, is that I have ties to London ancestry that I discovered in 1983, though my wife and I visited London in 1971 on a trip to Europe on our own, not on a tour of any kind - during the 6 weeks in Europe, we saw what we wanted to and was not confined by a tour group, but on our own. On one occasion, we visited Kensington Palace Museum. Among the myriad displays of English History, was the panorama displays of London as a small village, then on through its historical stages of development to the Great London fire. The panorama of that fire was most intriguing in it s depiction of that event in London history. 5. I will await your reply, and make further comments, if appropriate, at a later date. Thank you for your information, Sincerely, Carroll (male) of Snohomish, WA. 30 miles NE of Seattle. * * * 30 * * * ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Speaking of the census, Darilee, you could have been riding a horse! Norma It was the first day of the census, and all through the land each polster was ready... a black book in hand. He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride, his book and his quills were tucked by his side. A long winding ride down a road barely there, toward the smell of fresh bread wafting up through the air. The woman seemed tired, with lines on her face and wisps of brown hair tucked back into place. She gave him some water ...as they sat at the table and she answered his questions..... the best she was able. He asked her of children. Yes, she had quite a few --- the oldest was twenty , the youngest not quite two. She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red; his sister she whispered was napping in bed. She noted each person who lived there with pride, and she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside. He noted the sex, the color, the age...the marks of the quill soon filled up the page. At the number of children .......... she nodded her head .......and felt her lips quiver for the three that were dead. The places of birth she..."never forgot" was it Pennsylvania? or Ohio? or what? They had come cross the sea, of that she was clear, but she wasn't quite sure how long they'd been here. They spoke of employment, of schooling and such, they could read some, and write some, but really not much. When the questions were answered, his job there was done, so he mounted his horse and rode toward the sun. We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear, "May God bless you all for another ten years". Now picture a time warp .....its now you and me as we search for the people on our family tree. We squint at the census and scroll down so slow as we search for "THAT ENTRY" from long, long ago. Could they ever imagine on that long ago day that the entries they made would effect us this way? If they knew would they wonder at the yearnings we feel and the searching that makes them so lovingly real. Would they understand our efforts, our struggles, to reach back to touch them because they are ours? Hush now awhile, we can hear if we listen the words they impart, "Our bloods in your veins and our love is in your hearts". Author Unknown

Does anyone know what P.L.A. stands for? My gr.uncle is photographed wearing a baseball uniform (pictured with 2 other fellows). the photo was probably taken around the 1920's. His family lived in Redmond so I am assuming it was a college around here somewhere. Thanks. Terri, Redmond, WA

In trying to track down some of the loose Partee family ends, my aunt told me that Florence Partee, daughter of John Bernard Partee and Katherine Keefe was put into the Good Shepherd Home and she thought it was in Seattle. There must be a tragic story behind this family as John or "Uncle Bern" as he was known by, disappeared and resurfaced years later destitute and living in the skid row section of downtown Seattle. John was born to Lewis and Hannah Louisa (Cassil) Partee March 24, 1877 in Defiance, OH. He married Katherine Keefe on September 17, 1900, only child Florence (that the family bible record shows). John had a photography business in Snohomish, WA. According to family tradition he is buried in Monroe I.O.O.F. cemetery near his parents. I would like to locate records on Florence. Her mother, according to my aunt, was the daughter of Dr. Keefe, a prominent physician in Snohomish at the turn of the century. Anyone have any suggestions? Thank you. Evelyn Researching: PARTEE, WILSON, LEYDE, CASSIL, CHASE, DAY in Snohomish and King Counties. Also, FORD, TOWERS, WOOD, BRITTAIN, JACKSON, WILSON.

I can't help with finding records, but here's a little information about the Good Shepherd's Home. It was located at about the 4700 block of Sunnyside Ave. in the Wallingford district of North Seattle. During the 1940's I lived near the delivery entrance to their grounds, on Bagley Ave. It was a Catholic home for girls, not necessarily orphans, I think. They had a laundry facility where the girls worked doing laundry for ships' crews. I had occasion to visit the facility a few years ago. The main building is used now to house various public service organizations, the Senior Center for one. The extensive grounds are now a public park, accessed from the corner of Meridian Ave. and 50th St. Ralph Seefeld Archivist GenSoc of South Whidbey Island JOHuffER@aol.com wrote: > > In trying to track down some of the loose Partee family ends, my aunt told me > that Florence Partee, daughter of John Bernard Partee and Katherine Keefe was > put into the Good Shepherd Home and she thought it was in Seattle. There must > be a tragic story behind this family as John or "Uncle Bern" as he was known > by, disappeared and resurfaced years later destitute and living in the skid > row section of downtown Seattle. > > John was born to Lewis and Hannah Louisa (Cassil) Partee March 24, 1877 in > Defiance, OH. He married Katherine Keefe on September 17, 1900, only child > Florence (that the family bible record shows). John had a photography > business in Snohomish, WA. According to family tradition he is buried in > Monroe I.O.O.F. cemetery near his parents. > > I would like to locate records on Florence. Her mother, according to my aunt, > was the daughter of Dr. Keefe, a prominent physician in Snohomish at the turn > of the century. > > Anyone have any suggestions? Thank you. Evelyn > > Researching: PARTEE, WILSON, LEYDE, CASSIL, CHASE, DAY in Snohomish and King > Counties. Also, FORD, TOWERS, WOOD, BRITTAIN, JACKSON, WILSON.

** Reply to message from John Wm Sloniker <johnwms@serv.net> on Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:26:32 -0800 (PST) > Granted, some of the info collected has nothing to do with who those > people counted are or how many representatives we need. > > However, now they are saying they don't want to see or count the people, > that a better way is to estimate how many live in a house based on what > they saw in another house of the same size. > > The "estimates" will not include ANY personal information or names. How > will we be able to know "who" those people were that were "estimated" ? > Totally useless for genealogists; but then, they didn't institute the census for our benefit, not in this country at any rate. The various statistics extracted were supposed to be the point of the exercise. Personally I have no confidence in that sort of depersonalised analysis, but statisticians don't share my view. John, in Lewisham, Greater London, England

Probably the Police Athletic League. ____________________________________wjg_______

Dear Leslie, Here's how I got information on my "black sheep" great uncle: The rumor was that Uncle Abs had been at Monroe for forgery. I decided to see what I could learn. First I called the Lynnwood police department on the phone (mainly because I was working in Lynnwood at the time). Explained that I was looking for prison records from the '20's and/or '30's. Before I could say "Thanks so much!" my call was transferred (I didn't even have to redial) to some other location where they also listened to my story and transferred me once again, this time to Olympia. After looking up the name (I could hear "looking up" noises in the background), the helpful person took my name and address and said they would see what they could find. Two days later I had records in my mailbox! There was a note apologizing for the fact that the actual prison records had been destroyed but the "control card" still existed and they sent me a copy of that along with a copy of his clemency file. They didn't even charge me the usual (worth it, I'm sure) research charge as they were afraid they had misled me on the phone as to what was available. I got a photo, dates and charges made against him for his multiple unfortunate incarcerations (he started at the state farm, then hit Monroe, and his final stay was at the big house in Walla Walla). There was an official statement of his crimes and a statement from him. A physical description, an IQ score, extent of schooling, and promises of improved behavior in the clemency file. Every time Washington got a new governor, Abs got out of another incarceration -- he was a smooth operator. Abs eventually skipped bail and died in Guam. All I can say is go for it. Pick up the phone, call the business number of a police department and start down the trail! Joyce Wans Mukilteo WA USA

On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, patholland@juno.com wrote: >Hi Group, > >Is there anyone out there that knows where the records for Selective >Service enlistments for Washington State may be found? > >TIA > >Pat Holland > Pat, Not sure what specific enlistments you're looking for....but, The WWI Draft Registration is being filmed by the LDS FHL in Salt Lake City. As soon as Pierce County became available, they were brought in permanently to the Family History Center in Sumner. You might want to check the Family History Library Catalog for other military listings available. They are actively collecting them. Carolyn

>I also note, Cyndi, that you have apparently reached the next >plateau, in that >the Parade article didn't refer to you as "a housewife from >Puyallup." > >Diane Hettrick <hee hee> So, I am not the only one who notices those things, huh? This housewife is proud to be one (although I'm not sure my house would like to claim me - you should see it lately - ugh!). This only goes to prove that for ages now the term has been underappreciated and underrated. My great-grandmother was merely a "housewife from North Dakota." She still worked harder each day than I do. Thanks Diane! Cyndi

I know Donna Ward (she has been one of my students) and have contacted her and given her the query information from staceyjh@aol.com. I prefer to not distribute her address or phone number, but instead to let Donna make the contact.

thanks...let me know when i can look at it.......glen

In a message dated 11/30/98 8:11:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, carolynp@m5.sprynet.com writes: << Subj: Re: Selective Service enlistments Date: 11/30/98 8:11:34 PM Pacific Standard Time From: carolynp@m5.sprynet.com Reply-to: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, patholland@juno.com wrote: >Hi Group, > >Is there anyone out there that knows where the records for Selective >Service enlistments for Washington State may be found? > >TIA > >Pat Holland > Pat, Not sure what specific enlistments you're looking for....but, The WWI Draft Registration is being filmed by the LDS FHL in Salt Lake City. As soon as Pierce County became available, they were brought in permanently to the Family History Center in Sumner. You might want to check the Family History Library Catalog for other military listings available. They are actively collecting them. Carolyn >> Pat, Here is the listing in the book titled "Guide to Records in the National Archives-Pacific Northwest Region, 1994" (Sandpoint) Record Group 147 Records of the Selective Service System Records Description Dates: 1940-1947 Volume: 105 cubic feet Records of the Idaho, Montana, Oregon and Washington State Headquarters offices. The records include registration cards for men born between April 1877 and February 1897 (4th Draft Registration under the 1940 Act); Alien's Personal History and Statement (DSS Form 304); and Statements of U.S. Citizens of Japanese Ancestry (DSS Form 304-A). Record Group 163 Records of the Selective Service System (World War I) Records Description: Dates: 1917-1919 Volume: 28 cubic feet Records of local and districe boards in Idaho, Oregon and Washington. The records relate to men ordered to report to local induction boards; delinquents; deserters; and appeals to the President for deferments. Included are letters of appeal, indexes, and lists. There is also an Administrative History section in the book about the Selective Service records if you want me to list that also. It tells a little about the induction rules and the agencies involved. Hope this helps... Cheryl

If I weren't 25 newsletters behind, I, too, would have voted for Cyndi in Dick Eastman's poll, but it looks like it was ok without me! <g> The neatest thing about the mention in Parade magazine is that it was a very short, one-page article, so it really shows *their* research that Cyndi's List was one of the few resources mentioned. I also note, Cyndi, that you have apparently reached the next plateau, in that the Parade article didn't refer to you as "a housewife from Puyallup." Diane Hettrick Shoreline (washington state) dhettrick@earthlink.net

On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Joe Gentile wrote: > Actually, it IS "junk history" in several different respects. Many, if > not all, of us have ancestors who were definitely alive in the history > of this nation, but were missed because of sloppy or inattentive > censustakers. I myself recall working for the "pre-census enumeration" > in 1987, where there were many co-workers who "gun-decked" their > assigned routes goofing off. > > The reason for the "new" push for sampling is to account for persons > who should be counted in the census, but are missed for one reason or > another....homeless, transients...and in particular, certain ethnic and > demographic groups who for one reason or another either voluntarily or > involuntarily fall between the cracks of an accurate count. > > Not surprisingly, most of the latter group consists of minorities, > particularly Blacks and Hispanics...and not a few Native Americans. > > One will find upon even cursory examination of this issue that the main > proponents of an "actual head count" are political conservatives... > because, conveniently, the "actual head count" serves to dispossess the > groups which are the most disenfranchised, and least empowered from an > economic standpoint. > Yes, part of the NPR story mentions that many in New Mexico were missed. As for people being missed, my grandfather often told about the census taker driving by his farm in Oklahoma and not stoping. That would have been for the 1900 census since grandpa was back in Missouri by 1908. John You wanna discuss it? Try: INDIAN-HERITAGE discussion list *====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====* # John Wm Sloniker <johnwms@serv.net> Seattle, WA # # (206) 789-6663 7323 - 19th Ave NW 98117-5612 # *====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*

On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, John E.S. Driver wrote: > ** Reply to message from John Wm Sloniker <johnwms@serv.net> on Mon, > 30 Nov 1998 08:54:17 -0800 (PST) > > John, > > Don't know how much detail your recent censuses have gone into, but > with us the trend has been to ever longer forms and more detailed > information on a widening range of topics. This seems to have turned > out rather counterproductive. In a word, the more questions you ask, > the poorer the quality of the resulting information. > > John, in > Lewisham, Greater London, England Granted, some of the info collected has nothing to do with who those people counted are or how many representatives we need. However, now they are saying they don't want to see or count the people, that a better way is to estimate how many live in a house based on what they saw in another house of the same size. The "estimates" will not include ANY personal information or names. How will we be able to know "who" those people were that were "estimated" ? John You wanna discuss it? Try: INDIAN-HERITAGE discussion list *====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====* # John Wm Sloniker <johnwms@serv.net> Seattle, WA # # (206) 789-6663 7323 - 19th Ave NW 98117-5612 # *====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*

** Reply to message from John Wm Sloniker <johnwms@serv.net> on Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:54:17 -0800 (PST) John, Don't know how much detail your recent censuses have gone into, but with us the trend has been to ever longer forms and more detailed information on a widening range of topics. This seems to have turned out rather counterproductive. In a word, the more questions you ask, the poorer the quality of the resulting information. John, in Lewisham, Greater London, England

---------- > From: pearson@rio.com Genealogy and the Census have little if anything in common in Washington, D.C.. The Democrats ack- nowledge that the current methodology is costly and error prone. The Republicans feel that the bulk of the newly discovered people will vote Democrat. The Republicans may be right. The Republicans control both the House and Senate. The Census methodology issue has been politicized. No new legislation will become law in this session. Count on it. Jim Pearson

Carroll, Sorry to disappoint, but the name I'm researching is COLE instead of COE. It's in my husband's mother's line out of Indiana, Ohio, and Illinois. Maudeen, bainbridge island Maudeen@bainbridge.net Book Reviewer -www.Amazon.com Genealogy surnames: WEATHERLY, INMAN, NEELING, CAMERON, SWIFT, CHASE, HAUSER, ARNEY, ROARK, BLAIR, CRAWFORD, PURCELL, HAZLETT, HAISCH, WIPF, MILLIGAN, CRESWELL, STAHL, SCHULZ, HENDERSHOT, OLMSTEAD, SPEAR, COLE, LEE, STUCKEY, FAY, THOMAS, CROSS Locations: Guilford Co, NC, Owen Co., IN, Marshall Co., IA, Medina Co., OH, Kossuth Co., IA, Cecil Co., MD, Chester CO., PA Washington Co., PA, Clayton Co., IA, Warren Co., NJ, Luzerne Co., PA -----Original Message----- From: Carroll H Clark <clarkw7iml@juno.com> To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com <PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, November 30, 1998 10:52 AM Subject: COE GENEALOGY : >Hi Maudeen, I noticed among your collection of Surnames the COE one. >Would you possibly have gen. that goes back to Robert COE, Puritan, his >ancestors & desc. 1340 - 1910. > My wf has gen tie in with that Line via Banjamin Coe m. bef. 1660 >Abigail CARMAN b. abt 1635, dau of John and Florence Carman, early >settlers of Hempstead, L.I., in 1644. > Also, I believe I have a remote tie in with this COE LINE with my >Clark, et al branches. Just interested in playing a possible fly tie. >LOL >Tell me more about where you live - since your addr hints Bainbridge Is., >I would guess. >Sincerely, >Carroll in Snohomish > * * * 30 * * * > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >