This is a query from the state of Maine. Was there a town named Rudd in Snohomish County prior to 1890? Supposedly in 1890 the town was changed to Machias. This friend is looking for a family named BERRY. Daniel Berry, 1883-1969 and Belle Berry 1884-1968. Any help is gratefully received. Doris Watson Bremerton, WA

At 10:21 AM 12/14/98 -0800, you wrote: >On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Cyndi Howells wrote: > >> >> All messages sent to PSRoots by non-subscribers will come to me and >> they will be labeled as such. Then, I can review them for content >> and forward them on to the list for all of you to read. >> >> Cyndi > >Guess that means we won't get to see what you say or think when some >of that stuff [SPAM] shows up. <g> > >John Hi John and all - Your note prompted me to think further and I would like to clarify things a bit. I will NOT be a censor regarding message content except in the cases where incoming messages are clearly unwanted spam (non-genealogical, inappropriate commercial junk e-mail). Regarding what I think and feel about spam - I'd be happy to express my opinions any time you miss reading them John! <g> Cyndi

On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Cyndi Howells wrote: > > All messages sent to PSRoots by non-subscribers will come to me and > they will be labeled as such. Then, I can review them for content > and forward them on to the list for all of you to read. > > Cyndi Guess that means we won't get to see what you say or think when some of that stuff [SPAM] shows up. <g> John *====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====* # John Wm Sloniker <johnwms@serv.net> Seattle, WA # *====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*

Every once in awhile, I get a query, or info, a poem, or something of interest in the lives of human beings, and today was the occasion of a sharing, our Friend Darilee, The BOOKSTORELADY, Marysville, of the following: www.wsdot.wa.gov/regions/northwest/nwflow/camera/ Well, just looking at this Website address tells us a lot about what we are about to see on our screens, BUT, I had never done this before & I had intended to do so long ago. I think this is the 1st time I have really seen the actual address, so I tried it - & immediately, I got the message that I did not arrive at the destination, i.e. Screwed Up! So, I compared my input addr. with what I had jotted down from the screen and the two agreed. So, returning to my Juno screen to review Darilee's info., I found that I had left the s out in the "regions", so I reconnoitered, & sure enuff there it appeared, colored map with text, symbols, choice of Tacoma or Seattle regions -so many camera sites I thot I was on camera myself. I tried one of the sites nearby and saw stills of the traffic, updated every 1.5 mins. Now, what I plan to do is, tomorrow, when my wife goes to work in the Blue Max (our 1981 Volvo 240 DL wagon which she refers to as "hers" as she doesn't care for the quick response of the newer cars for her needs - I plan to bring up this website, and see if I can see the Blue Max on its way as she drives onto 405 where there is a camera waiting to get her on camera! Then, make a Print. If you have not tried this site, I can say that it is well worth the effort, and you will come to realize that if you are not on camera on a bus that you may ride, you are probably on camera in the Puget Sound regions of Seattle and Tacoma! Provides interesting viewpoints & volumes of Christmas Shoppers + the regular need for moving people to and from their destinations. Thanks, Darilee, and felicitations, Carroll, Snohomish. * * * 30 * * * ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hello all - This won't have much effect on the list, but I thought you might be interested to know that all mailing lists at RootsWeb have now, automatically, been closed. This means that only people who are subscribed to the mailing lists can post messages to the list. The bonus is that we will no longer receive any random spam (junk e-mail). All messages sent to PSRoots by non-subscribers will come to me and they will be labeled as such. Then, I can review them for content and forward them on to the list for all of you to read. Cyndi ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Cyndi Howells Puyallup, Washington PSRoots List Poohbah cyndihow@oz.net PSRoots-L Mailing List http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/psroots.htm To subscribe or unsubscribe from the list, send a NEW e-mail message to: PSRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com or PSRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com (for digest mode) with only one word in the body: subscribe or: unsubscribe

Friends, The Winter Quarter schedule has been published for January through March 1999 at the Fiske Genealogical Library in Seattle. Consider participation in one of our Wednesday morning seminars. No reservations required.... WEDNESDAY SEMINAR SERIES All classes will meet from 10:00 am to 12 Noon in the Fiske Library at 1644 43rd Avenue East, Seattle (in the Madison Park neighborhood). The ten session quarter has a tuition fee of $30.00, although individual sessions may be attended for $5.00. All sessions are led by Gary A. Zimmerman, unless otherwise indicated January 13 Lutheran Church Records, from the Old World to the New by Rev Dennis Andersen January 20 Germans from Russia by Jean Roth January 27 Doing Genealogy in Kentucky I February 3 Doing Genealogy in Kentucky II February 10 Field Trip to a regional resource (to be selected be selected during the first class by the students) February 17 Doing Genealogy in Tennessee February 24 Discussion of Research Strategies for Current Problems proposed by Seminar Participants March 3 Scots to the New World March 10 Fiske Library Resources: Old and New March 17 The Use of Maps in Genealogy with Mary Peters Of course, the full educational program at the Fiske Library for the Winter Quarter can be found at http://www.fiske.lib.wa.us If you have questions, send me a message. Gary A Zimmerman, President Fiske Genealogical Foundation gzim@fog.seattleantioch.edu

1.For "Welcome to the White House" send your request to www.whitehouse.gov 2. For publications information: publications@pub.pub.whitehouse.gov In the Subject window type hello In the Message, or Text Window leave blank. You will receive instructions automatically ( automatedly - CC.) Carroll of Snohomish * * * 30 * * * ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Requesting Court Case Records I have requested only once for court records - case was in 1898 - I went to the State Archives (which for the area I was requesting) at Ellensburg, Washington. Everything was there including the two bullets that killed the person. The case was typed and in long hand. Fred Pflugrath Peshastin, WA

On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, D. Hettrick wrote: > > Here's the answer: > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > I'm in the legal profession in Texas, but I would assume that Ohio > would handle things similarly. A transcript of the trial can only be > obtained from the Courthouse. Simply go the Court and request a copy. > If interested, you can also look through the file on the case (which > may provide some additional information that wasn't allowed to be > brought up at the trial). > > LEXIS/NEXIS is indeed a legal database and you are charged by the > minute for its use. Westlaw is another legal database that also > charges by the minute. But, I would not suggest using either of these > on-line databases - because the same information is available free in > any law library and, likely, the information is not what you will want > anyway. The information available on-line only lists a brief factual > background of the case and then goes into the legal argument/analysis > and findings for the case. Useful for lawyers, but not many other > people. In short, the trial transcript is not available through > either of these on-line databases. Also, this identical information > is also available in book form in your local law library. (In case > you're not sure where your local law library is, most courthouses > have a law library and any university that has a law school has a > law library.) > The one time I tried this, I went directly to the court clerk and was told that most likely the notes would be shorthand and un-readable. Didn't get any help that a readable version would be in a library. Next time I'll ask more questions. John *====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====* # John Wm Sloniker <johnwms@serv.net> Seattle, WA # *====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*====*

Don't hit "reply" - you'll get me & I'm just the messenger! - Diane I am sharing this message, which was posted to another list, because I've never seen this topic covered before. The question was about obtaining the trial transcripts for ancestors who ended up in court. The person asking the question had heard of the LEXIS/NEXIS database. Here's the answer: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I'm in the legal profession in Texas, but I would assume that Ohio would handle things similarly. A transcript of the trial can only be obtained from the Courthouse. Simply go the Court and request a copy. If interested, you can also look through the file on the case (which may provide some additional information that wasn't allowed to be brought up at the trial). LEXIS/NEXIS is indeed a legal database and you are charged by the minute for its use. Westlaw is another legal database that also charges by the minute. But, I would not suggest using either of these on-line databases - because the same information is available free in any law library and, likely, the information is not what you will want anyway. The information available on-line only lists a brief factual background of the case and then goes into the legal argument/analysis and findings for the case. Useful for lawyers, but not many other people. In short, the trial transcript is not available through either of these on-line databases. Also, this identical information is also available in book form in your local law library. (In case you're not sure where your local law library is, most courthouses have a law library and any university that has a law school has a law library.)

Hi I found this messing around and it is a hoot. It is the live action picts from Washington State Dept. of Transportation...showing the freeways and mountain passes. http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/regions/northwest/nwflow/camera/ Darilee

In my collection of wonderful stuff, I have a Penney post card sent from Everett to Olalla. Addressed: To Mom Olalla Wash. Message: Love Kit. My mother received it in Olalla, via USPS January 1940. It would go into the round file today. But then Carl Nelson was the postmaster and storekeeper in Olalla and knew everyone by their first name. His house is on the Historical List. A beautiful big white house that stands on the hill above the bay. He also owned one of the few docks that the Virginia B could dock at. Kit Olalla. P.S. my apologies for sending my signature block on my last post, I forgot to turn it off before sending.

Kit & Evelyn, I read with interest and relish your brief descriptions of your experiences with bits of nostalgia related to Christmas, or just items that some people threw away, just ash canned, or in one way or another got rid of; even as a result of conflicts among the family members, sometimes. These, of course, are unfortunate. But, despite those events, the memories of those items stir the curiosity and the memories of times past, perhaps beyond our own lifespans! I don't recall the painted candles holder that were designed for the Christmas tree - I would think that those would have more value than the ones we had which as I recall were just plain metal, unpainted and either a gold color or silver colored metal like the metals used in tin cans used in those days for soups, etc. I do recall beside these plain clips which had a cup shape to them for seating the candles, there was another design which had a spiral of spring that was designed for holding the candles. The former were the more predominant clips that we had. In those days, (for me) 20s/30s, nearly all the ornaments of whatever design, including paper ornaments with Krist Kringle, or Santa Clause - all were made in Germany. Even the electric lights and there were all sorts of shapes such as Santa, and other Christmas motif shapes that would light. These, of course, were more expensive and we had very few, if any of them. Look among your Christmas items from that era with a magnifying glass, and I think you will find the Made in Germany stamped or printed on them. None were from the Orient, and Germany seemed more prevalent than the US, except I do recall Mazda Christmas Tree lamps which were GE. However, when my late Mother, in Puyallup, was moving out of the old farmhouse dating from the 1800s (tho, she was born in 1900); I was able to salvage many of those fine old Christmas motif shaped Christmas tree lights, and still have a collection of them - most of which can light. Yes, and the old cards, letters, old calendars, etc. but not old Christmas cards - those were really great, but we had none of them, though I remember them well. Our Snohomish County Antique Study Club members have, from time to time, brought old Christmas ornaments, trees lights, etc. Some collect those items whenever they can find them. Carroll in Snohomish. & & & & Joyeaux Noel & & & ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

What organization(s) concern themselves directly with Seattle? The family name in question is Mandel. The individual I am inquiring for is visually impaired. His roots are uncertain, but history seems to emanate from Seattle via Canada. Any consideration would be much appreciated. Thank you, Ron.

On page 3, of "Historical Narratives of Williams County" by Charles D. Grim which is published by the Williams County Historical Society, Sept 1990 (Ohio) I found in the top of the second column: E. Doty had a brick kiln and lived on the bank of Doty Run. His descendants moved up the river. NOTE: In the first column of this page it states that Road number 2 was the second road surveyed in Williams County, 1832. There are a number of surnames listed and "descendants of practically all of the people mentioned in the minutes of the survey lived at one time or another in what is now Williams County." Hope it helps someone, Evelyn who is researching the Partee, Purtee, Webb, Williams, Cassil and Robinett families in Washington and Ohio.

I loved your story Kit. I feel the same way. That's why I have a basement full of "stuff" that my parents saved, and how I got interested in finding out who owned some of these old papers, letters, cards, etc. The old Christmas cards, and post cards, old envelopes with just the name and town written on it! Imagine trying to get a letter delivered today that way. Evelyn

> I recall those days when we had no electric lights, but burned candles in >the special holders which were clipped to the branches in such a way that >they would not tend to set the tree on fire. I have a handful of those candle holders of my grandmother's. A real treasure to me. Some are painted gold and some silver. They have a clay ball on one end of the wire which is bent into a hook then back up to the candle holder. Very clever and quite safe when care is used. My sister-in-law was going to through them in the garbage. We had quite a serious fight. When my mother died, my sister-in-law, wanted to sell every thing my mother and grandparents owned. She had no sentimental attachment to that stuff but could sure see the dollar signs. I managed to save most of the things that really held sentimental value to me. And I got all the garbage, too. Kit Olalla, WA * Kit Niemann * kits@kits.seanet.com * Kit's Llamas * P.O.Box 116 * Olalla, Wa. 98359 USA * Ph 253-857-5274 * Fax 253-857-5141 * http://www.northolympic.com/llamas/

Fred, Thanks for the info on Doty. My sister, Marilyn Caretti, and I remember a very large house in Doty which our parents owned and various members of our extended family lived in during the 1930's and '40's. We knew it was in Doty and we knew it was "the mill owner's house" - so unless the house was built by a later owner, it was one built for C.A. Doty. Diane Hettrick Shoreline, washington state dhettrick@earthlink.net > > On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Fred Pflugrath wrote: > > > > > Doty, Washington, according to "Washington State Place Names" by James > > > W. Phillips, University of Washington Press, 1971 - > > > > > > Doty, (Lewis) - Named for C.A. Doty, who established a sawmill there in > > > 1900. > > > > > > According to the Tacoma Public Library > > > > > > Doty is a town on the Chehalis River 19 miles west of Chehalis in west > > > central Lewis County. Once it was a busy sawmill town, but has been > > > inactive since the largest sawmill moved out in 1929. It was named for > > > Chauncey Albert Doty, owner of Doty Lumber and Shingle Company, who > > > built a sawmill and shingle mill in the late 1890s. > > > > > > Fred Pflugrath > > > Peshastin, WA

Hi Everyone, For your holiday researching and shopping too, Heritage Quest Research Library and Bookstore is open Monday, Wednesday and Friday nights until 9:00 PM, through 23 December. Come shop in the Bookstore, do your research, etc, etc. And, be sure to use our "new" micro-film reader/printer. Many of the Downtown Sumner stores are open every Friday night until 9:00 PM, so you can buy non-genealogy presents too. See you soon, at Heritage Quest Research Library, 909 Main Street, #5, Sumner, WA Have a great holiday season. Gail

Guess I've mentioned this before, but I will mention it again - Snohomish County Antique Study Club meets the 4th. Wednesday of every month (unless otherwise advised) at Snohomish Public Library, 1st Street & Maple. ( The East end of our Main, or 1st Street - a block W of the Starr Mall). It consists of a tidy group of females, and males, who have their formal meeting, followed usually by a Show & Tell, &/or a Talk by one of the group, or an Outside Speaker - expert in their forte' . Highly interesting and friendly group. We come from all over the area, King, Snoho., Skagit, et al counties, I would say. Come, if you are interested - sit in on meetings, as I did - then you can decide if it is for you, or not. If you decide to join, the dues are $10. ( I need to pay mine!)/yr. Ea meeting we have coffee, tea, goodies and most of try to get to the mtgs. early, soz we can chat, and brag about our "finds" or whatever. Some even talk genealogy, too - a strange language, but enjoyed by more than we realize. Recently, we have added time to sell items at the mtg. as some have items they are willing to part with, so sell or trade can be interesting, too.) This mo's. bulletin for the Nov. mtg. included a story that I would like to share with you. The author was not mentioned, so that is anonymous. The story may, or may not, be the true origin of a familiar item that we see at Christmas time, but perhaps further research may be in the offing for an alternative explanation. Here, then, is this one: QUOTED FROM THE SCASC Bulletin as follows- A CANDYMAKER'S WITNESS A Candymaker in Indiana wanted to make a candy that would be witness so he made the Christmas Candy Cane. He incorporated several symbols for the birth, ministry and death of Jesus Christ. He began with a stick of pure white, hard candy. White to symbolize the Virgin Birth and the sinless nature of Jesus; and hard to symbolize the Solid Rock, the foundation of the Church and firmness of the promises of God. The candymaker made the candy in the form of a "J' to represent the precious name of Jesus, who cam to earth as our Savior. It could also represent the staff of the "Good Shepherd" with which He reaches down into the ditches of the world to lift out the fallen lambs who, like all sheep, have gone astray. Thinking that the candy was somewhat plain, the candymaker stained it with red stripes. He used three small stripes to show the stripes of the scourging Jesus received by which we are healed. The large red stripe was the blood shed by Christ on the cross so that we could have the promise of eternal life. END OF QUOTED STORY OF THE CANDYCANE VIA SCASC Bulletin for Nov 1998. Perhaps there are other Stories about the inception of the candy cane, or other items we use to celebrate Traditions of Christmas over the millenium out there. I recall those days when we had no electric lights, but burned candles in the special holders which were clipped to the branches in such a way that they would not tend to set the tree on fire. I recall that, when in the kitchen, there would always be someone who would stand by the doorway to make sure that those candles didn't set fire to the tree! I vaguely recall only one incident in which we scurried to douse de glim, post haste! I still have manged to keep the electric train from 1931 that traveled around the tree ( & sometimes around the whole room, if sidetracked) - Today, I realize how lucky I was to have owned a train in those days - depression days - American Flyer, with The Golden State coaches, including baggage/postal/passenger, and observation cars. My kids crushed the tunnel after it had become their "horse" when they were very small to realize. But, I still have the excellent lighted Station, and the Semiphor that signaled when the train was coming down the track. What memories! (Long term ones!). Carroll of Snohomish. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]