Cyndi, I would add my 2 cents worth to Ron's. I worked the last 15 years as an investigator for the state and when I saw the message a red flag went up. Suggest before anyone sends funds they verify the recipient. It never hurts to be cautious. George Lowe Ron Bestrom wrote: > Cyndi, > Please excuse my fears, but as a 25 year criminal investigator I > look twice at such proposals. I'm assuming Cheryl Hawleys credentials > are valid and this is a legitimate finding and legitimate request for > funds? > I've been deep in the genealogy work for 3 years now and > continuously appreciate the work you've done, the awards you've received > and to know you're a "neighbor". > > Ron Bestrom > Tacoma/Puyallup unicorporated > > Cyndi Howells wrote: > > > >I also am an antique dealer and had a fellow dealer offer me 6 > > >original, handwritten birth/marriage/death register ledger books!!! > > >I purchased one from him a couple of months ago and it is exactly > > >the type of ledger you find in the county courthouse or archive with > > >all the original documents!!! > > > > > >If I don't purchase these from him he is going to take them apart > > >and sell them sheet by sheet at auction!! If anyone would like to > > >donate a few dollars to help rescue these ledgers I would really > > >appreciate it! > > > > Cheryl - > > How about a more complete description of the books. What > > area/region/state do they cover? What time period? How many pages > > in each book? etc. > > > > Then, what do you plan to do with the ledgers once you purchase them? > > > > Thanks, > > Cyndi > > -- > Engång skall du vara en av dem som levat för längesen. - Pär Lagerkvist, > Aftonland > (Some day you shall be among those who lived long ago.)

Cyndi, Please excuse my fears, but as a 25 year criminal investigator I look twice at such proposals. I'm assuming Cheryl Hawleys credentials are valid and this is a legitimate finding and legitimate request for funds? I've been deep in the genealogy work for 3 years now and continuously appreciate the work you've done, the awards you've received and to know you're a "neighbor". Ron Bestrom Tacoma/Puyallup unicorporated Cyndi Howells wrote: > >I also am an antique dealer and had a fellow dealer offer me 6 > >original, handwritten birth/marriage/death register ledger books!!! > >I purchased one from him a couple of months ago and it is exactly > >the type of ledger you find in the county courthouse or archive with > >all the original documents!!! > > > >If I don't purchase these from him he is going to take them apart > >and sell them sheet by sheet at auction!! If anyone would like to > >donate a few dollars to help rescue these ledgers I would really > >appreciate it! > > Cheryl - > How about a more complete description of the books. What > area/region/state do they cover? What time period? How many pages > in each book? etc. > > Then, what do you plan to do with the ledgers once you purchase them? > > Thanks, > Cyndi -- Engång skall du vara en av dem som levat för längesen. - Pär Lagerkvist, Aftonland (Some day you shall be among those who lived long ago.)

Hi everyone! I want to thank you all for your support! The response has been awesome! I heard back from the dealer today. After I told him how the ledgers would be taken care of and how upset I would be if he took them apart, he looked around and found several others that are birth/death and business ledgers. They are all from the same place, St. Louis Township, MN. He said he will through them all in together for the same price! That's $350 for 14 ledgers!! I hope we can reach the goal! Thank you so much! Cheryl

looking for any imformation on " chief greenberry pierce " aindian chief from the maryland area. hope someone has information. thank you laura

I am searching for information on the family of Morris & Gertie ROCK. Morris: b February 14, 1893, d April, 1985 in Colby, Kitsap Co., WA. This is all I have on the family. I am trying to determine the relationship between Morris and my Grandmother's family. My Grandmother's Grandmother was Emily M. Rock and her brother was Hyrum Fransis Rock. I can place the family in either Port Orchard or Retsil, Wa in the 1940s. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Pam

Cheryl has been on this list for a long time... Pretty active on lots of genealogy 'fronts'...Don't know her personally...but she isn't a fly by niter either.. <just me two cents worth> Darilee ---------- > From: Treehistn@aol.com > To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Ledgers News!! > Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 7:26 AM > > Hi everyone! > > I want to thank you all for your support! The response has been awesome! I > heard back from the dealer today. After I told him how the ledgers would be > taken care of and how upset I would be if he took them apart, he looked around > and found several others that are birth/death and business ledgers. They are > all from the same place, St. Louis Township, MN. He said he will through them > all in together for the same price! That's $350 for 14 ledgers!! I hope we > can reach the goal! > > Thank you so much! > > Cheryl

Thanks Carroll for the background on the postmarks. I'm going to check out some of the old envelopes as soon as I have a chance. Evelyn

Hi Rosemary in MT who asked about Samuel Cox, blacksmith & Fam.: (My wife of 47 yrs is Rose Marie, a French spelling of your name !). There was no more mention of Samuel Cox, the blacksmith as I quoted in that portion of the book, so I went to the Index of Biographical Sketches in both Skagit and Snohomish Co.s- On pp. 921-922 there is a Biog Sk. for William Columbus Cox, M.D. of Everett, WA 1891. Born Sept 20, 1858 Flinty Branch, Mitchell Co. North Carolina (QUOTED AS FOLLOWS): . . . The eldest son and second child of Samuel W. and Cynthia (Blalock) Cox. The Cox family is of English dnd German lineage but of old American colonial stock. The father of Dr. Cox was born in North Carolina also. he was a farmer by occupation and in the year 1873 left the Atlantic to seek a home in the far west. He arrived that year in Walla Walla, Washington, and after spending twenty years as a pioneer of this state passed away in 1893 at the age of sixty-six, having been born August 2, 1827. His wife was also a native of Mitchell county, North Carolina, born December 31, 1837, the daughter of a Southern farmer and planter. The belonged to an old American family, and was of German and English descent. END OF QUOTED LINES. There is much more about this fam. so let me know if this is of interest to you, Rosemary. On p. 696 is a George Cox, Supt. of Sedro Woolley Ice Company plant; b. Port Huron, Michigan, in 1850 son of James A. Cox, a vessel owner on the Great Lakes. If any of this is of interest to your endeavor, let me know. If you have any more info. on the info you seek, you might let me know that. I have a friend out at Machias, who might be able to direct me to a local source of Machias history that I don't have immediate access to. Playing clues is one of the tools of this addiction ! Carroll in greater, or lesser, Snohomish * * * No Snow in Snohomish * * * , yet !!! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

These original records seem like they should be returned to Minnesota or Hennepin County or Minneapolis, to a genealogical or historical society. I am sorry that the possessor of the records doesn't want to do that, or that the people who dispersed the records of this "defunct" town also didn't think of doing it. But I would make a donation toward their purchase if that was the goal--to return them. Certainly a copy could be kept locally by a caring archivist such as Ms. Hawley as a resource but the original should go home. Nancy Christie Portland, Oregon Treehistn@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/16/98 1:19:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, cyndihow@oz.net > writes: > > << > Cheryl - > How about a more complete description of the books. What > area/region/state do they cover? What time period? How many pages > in each book? etc. > > Then, what do you plan to do with the ledgers once you purchase them? > > Thanks, > Cyndi >> > > Cyndi, > > I will find out more specific info about them. The ledger I bought already is > from a small defunct town in Minneapolis Township, Hennepin County, MN. It > covers all the births and deaths from 1871 to 1886. It is the original > record. > > I have emailed the dealer with the other ledgers to get more specific > information about the other six ledgers. It sounds like they are not related > to each other at all, just a mismash of places. > > Any materials that are purchased for, purchased by or donated to Echoes of the > Past Archive remain the property of the archive. We just received the funds > to complete our nonprofit status and hope to have our 501(c)3 status within > the first quarter of 1999. All materials of the Archive are available for > research by the public. At this time we are mainly making the materials > available from the web, email, phone and snail mail. We hope to have a walk > in facility by 2000. We charge nominal copy charges only to cover costs and > keep the management of the Archive working. Our Articles of Incorporation are > set up to provide for all materials to be donated to other Archives (mainly > NARA, Sandpoint) instead of being sold or distributed privately. > > I will post more detailed info on the books themselves as soon as I hear back > from the dealer. If anyone has any questions about them, please let me know!! > > Cheryl Hawley

>I also am an antique dealer and had a fellow dealer offer me 6 >original, handwritten birth/marriage/death register ledger books!!! >I purchased one from him a couple of months ago and it is exactly >the type of ledger you find in the county courthouse or archive with >all the original documents!!! > >If I don't purchase these from him he is going to take them apart >and sell them sheet by sheet at auction!! If anyone would like to >donate a few dollars to help rescue these ledgers I would really >appreciate it! Cheryl - How about a more complete description of the books. What area/region/state do they cover? What time period? How many pages in each book? etc. Then, what do you plan to do with the ledgers once you purchase them? Thanks, Cyndi

Hi Michelle, Since Gary's message was forwarded to the list by Cyndi, that means that he is not subscribed to this list and won't hear of your concern unless you also addressed your message to his personal email. I was a student of Arthur Fiske's several years ago, so perhaps I can clarify a bit, and you can try Gary personally. The Fiske center is a private genealogical library, incorporated as a foundation. Arthur Fiske was the founder, leader, collector, and the only organizational structure for many years. He was the one doing the Fisk-Fiske family research. He taught genealogical beginning classes and seminars thru the Fiske Foundation, but I am unaware of any other Fiske researchers. Since his death, the volunteers of the Fiske Foundation have been very successful in carrying on his work. Arthur kept everything on 3x5 file cards, which are still in the library. I don't know what their policy is on look-ups from written requests. I do know that they have memberships and charge non-members a fee to use the library. If they do free look-ups, it would be other volunteer committees. Gary is serving a term as president of the foundation, which is an administrative post. Certainly he should be able to pass your question about your unanswered request on to the appropriate committee, so I encourage you to contact him via his email address. Are you aware that there is a Fiske mailing list and a rather large GenForum site for Fiske? Naturally I always notice the name, because of Arthur. I do know that all of Arthur's ancestry was in New England. Diane Hettrick Shoreline, state of washington dhettrick@earthlink.net Michelle A. Day wrote: > > Hey Gary, > > I sent a letter to your library September 12, 1998 inquiring about some > Fisks of mine and never received a response. How long will it before I > hear something? Pretty interesting that someone recommended to me your > library and I failed to even get a reponse that you can't even help me. > > Michelle A. Day > michelleann@ameritech.net

In a message dated 12/16/98 1:19:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, cyndihow@oz.net writes: << Cheryl - How about a more complete description of the books. What area/region/state do they cover? What time period? How many pages in each book? etc. Then, what do you plan to do with the ledgers once you purchase them? Thanks, Cyndi >> Cyndi, I will find out more specific info about them. The ledger I bought already is from a small defunct town in Minneapolis Township, Hennepin County, MN. It covers all the births and deaths from 1871 to 1886. It is the original record. I have emailed the dealer with the other ledgers to get more specific information about the other six ledgers. It sounds like they are not related to each other at all, just a mismash of places. Any materials that are purchased for, purchased by or donated to Echoes of the Past Archive remain the property of the archive. We just received the funds to complete our nonprofit status and hope to have our 501(c)3 status within the first quarter of 1999. All materials of the Archive are available for research by the public. At this time we are mainly making the materials available from the web, email, phone and snail mail. We hope to have a walk in facility by 2000. We charge nominal copy charges only to cover costs and keep the management of the Archive working. Our Articles of Incorporation are set up to provide for all materials to be donated to other Archives (mainly NARA, Sandpoint) instead of being sold or distributed privately. I will post more detailed info on the books themselves as soon as I hear back from the dealer. If anyone has any questions about them, please let me know!! Cheryl Hawley

Carroll, Would there happen to be any more information on the Samuel Cox and his family mentioned in the quoted story as starting the blacksmith shop? Where was he from? Rosemary in MT > Ref. History of Skagit and Snohomish Counties Washington, 1906 Interstate > Publishing Company, p 372 QUOTED IN PARTS AS FOLLOWS: >

Hi everyone, This might be a little off the topic, but it still pertains to genealogy!! I have a private archive that rescues original genealogical and historical materials. At this time, until our nonprofit status is approved, I am personally funding all of the acquisitions and we have received a few donations. I also am an antique dealer and had a fellow dealer offer me 6 original, handwritten birth/marriage/death register ledger books!!! I purchased one from him a couple of months ago and it is exactly the type of ledger you find in the county courthouse or archive with all the original documents!!! If I don't purchase these from him he is going to take them apart and sell them sheet by sheet at auction!! If anyone would like to donate a few dollars to help rescue these ledgers I would really appreciate it! His asking price is $350 for all six. As we understand it, any donations before we receive our nonprofit status will be taxdeductible after our status is received and is retroactive for 15 months. Anyone who makes a donation will be listed on the Archive's website donation page with a special thank you! Thanks so much for all your time! Cheryl Hawley ============================================== http://www.webbergroup.com http://www.echoesarchive.com http://www.chrislist.com Senior GIS Technician Microsoft NT LAN Administrator Webmaster, Snohomish Pilchuck Cemetery Project Webmaster, Mantrackers & Search Dogs, Inc. St. Coordinator, CT/IN/NY/OH/VA Tombstone Projects St. Coordinator, Ohio & Virginia Biographies Projects Co. Coordinator, Champaign/Erie/Huron/Logan Co., Ohio Biog.Projects Co. Coordinator, Patrick County, Virginia Biographies Project Co. Coordinator, Kosciusko County, Indiana Biographies Project Co. Coordinator, Kitsap County, Washington GenWeb Page Contributing Writer/Webmaster, Country Gazette Newspaper, Orting, WA Newsletter Editor, Washington State Genealogical Society President, Echoes of the Past Archive Founder & Co-Owner, New Life Enterprises Chief Operational Officer (COO) The Webber Group "Glad to spend the rest of my life Climbing Trees!!!"

Carol or anyone else, Does anyone know any genealogy of Charles Niemeyer, Sr. that is mentioned in the quotation by Carol? I have a genealogist friend that is interested in all Niemeier/Niemeyer. I am especially interested in any that came from the Old Kingdom of Hannover. Earl Armbrust 17413 Blodgett Road Mount Vernon, WA 98274-7777 armbrust@fidalgo.net At 09:53 AM 12/15/98 -0800, you wrote: >Ref. History of Skagit and Snohomish Counties Washington, 1906 Interstate >Publishing Company, p 372 QUOTED IN PARTS AS FOLLOWS: >MACHIAS > Charles Niemeyer, Sr., one of the earliest pioneers of the Pilchuck >valley, is the man who secured from the United States government title to >the land upon which the town of Machias has been built. Mr. Niemeyer was >one of a number of men who in 1877 surveyed the township in which it is >located, namely, Township 29 north, Range 6. He filed upon this land the >following year. At this date there was not a road up Pilchuck worthy the (Snip) >Best wishes, or 73, >Carroll, Snohomish > > * * * A Blessed Christmas to ALL * * * > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > Earl N. Armbrust, Jr. 1743 Blodgett Rd. Mount Vernon, WA 98274-5043 (360)428-0319 armbrust@fidalgo.net

1. Among those old post cards with the 1 cent & 2 cent stamps; the old envelopes with the 2 & 3 cent stamps, etc. of 1900s - 1940s, watch for the post marks, usually heavy, black, and round cancellations having the initials R.P.O. on them as they are the ones that were cancelled aboard the Railroad Post Offices located in the baggage and post office areas in the front car of the train sectioned off for that business. As the train traveled, the Postal Clerks aboard, sorted, cancelled, and otherwise processed the many cards, letters, packages being transported along the way. Some specialists among the philatelists collect cancellations, and among the various kinds of cancellations are the R.P.O. types; then during War there were the various A.P.O. cancellations or other kinds of designations for overseas mail which distributed mail for various branches of the service. F.P.O. or Field Post Offices. You may very well find these among your nostalgia, and not realize how that piece of mail traveled, or got processed. When airmail got started, there were sometimes cancellations for those means of sending mail also, beside the special stamp(s) used. The Special Delivery service had special stamps for that service, and special cancellations used. 2. In the 20s - 40s era we had lamp bulbs which oftentime carried the word MAZDA either stamped into the metal base, or otherwise printed with those letters. When I was a member of the Everett Toastmaster's International of Everett, WA., I met a ham (amateur radio) friend there who had worked for General Electric in Schenectady, N.Y. and it was he who explained to me about Mazda. Mazda lamps were not the brand name of the lamps, but rather the name of the very precise Testing Labs. division of General Electric that stamped all lamp bulbs that had been sent through a very thorough, precise testing procedure before they could be stamped as a Mazda bulb. They were put through all sorts of rigorous tests, as to longevity, vibration tests, brightness tests, tests of the filament materials used, some called thoriated tungsten, etc. All this was news to me as I had thought it was a brand name. I did note that they were the premium bulbs to buy as they were very long lasting and dependable. I recall seeing the Mazda designation on some Christmas bulbs early on. I asked my friend at the time ( in the 1950s) why we no longer could get Mazda lamps when we buy GE bulbs. His explanation was that this was a very costly operation and the processing became prohibitive to continue. It seems that it was economics, and then changes in the materials used that rendered it unnecessary, i.e. the inevitable = C H A N G E ! As an aside, here, I would like to highly recommend anyone interested in doing so to join a Toastmasters' or Toastmistress' International as an experience that will probably be better than any college coarse you might take, or might have taken, at least the Everett one was for me. I met some of the finest people I have known at Everett Toastmasters' International. They came from all walks of life - big bugs in industry, you name it - and some had speech impediments, and all sorts of quirks among them, but we were all in the "same boat" there - there was never any ridicule, but complete support and confidence building. I have always felt that it was time very well spent as I pursued my profession. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in bettering themselves. A most inspiring experience! Carroll, Snohomish. * * * 30 * * * Good Hunting! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi Beth, I can't help but think you are swamped with requests after your kind offer of lookups on WFT - but, if you have time, could you check the following please?: WFT #20, Family Tree #1259 - should include a Maria Berdine. Thanks Susan Suedek@aol.com

Thanks for the great info. I'll try to make it to Seattle to the library soon and maybe your suggestions will bear some fruit! (That's not an easy trip with the ferries in and out of service lately). Thanks again for your research! At 09:53 AM 12/15/98 -0800, you wrote: >Ref. History of Skagit and Snohomish Counties Washington, 1906 Interstate >Publishing Company, p 372 QUOTED IN PARTS AS FOLLOWS: >MACHIAS Doris Watson Bremerton, WA

Ref. History of Skagit and Snohomish Counties Washington, 1906 Interstate Publishing Company, p 372 QUOTED IN PARTS AS FOLLOWS: MACHIAS Charles Niemeyer, Sr., one of the earliest pioneers of the Pilchuck valley, is the man who secured from the United States government title to the land upon which the town of Machias has been built. Mr. Niemeyer was one of a number of men who in 1877 surveyed the township in which it is located, namely, Township 29 north, Range 6. He filed upon this land the following year. At this date there was not a road up Pilchuck worthy the name,much less a railroad, and the time when the conveniences of civilizathion would be enjoyed by the Pilchuck pioneers seemed indeed remote. Before locating his family upon their new home, Mr. Niemeyer assisted his neighbors, Horace Andrus and W.A. Clark, in cutting out a possible road up the valley, and over this he brought his household goods and small children in a sleigh drawn by oxen. The white population of the valley at this time consisted of Messrs. Niemeyer, Clark and Andrus, already mentioned, the two Dubuques, Gregory and Fred Foss, but there were many Indians especially just across the Pilchuck from Mr. Clark's, where there was a larg camp. . .. . a railroad right of way was executed October 4, 1888. . . . and built soon after that. . . early in 1890 the town was started by L. W., Getchell and others, who bought for the purpose eighty-acres of land from Mr. Niemeyer. Before this time, a postoffice named Rudd had been established in the vicinity and a store was maintained by C.B. Miller, but the first business house opened in the town proper was the grocery and supply store of A. Sapp, who, for a number of years, enjoyed a monopoly of the trade of the surrounding country. The writer was in his place of business in 1896, and distinctly remembers that though the country was then just emerging from a four-year period of great financial depression, Mr. Sapp and his assistants were rushed with work filling orders that were pouring in upon them. Of course, one of the first essentials of an ambitious new town in a timber country is a saloon, and Machias was not long without its vendor of grog. A blacksmith shop, another prime requisite, was early started by Samuel Cox. The main support of the town was the logging and shingle manufacturing induestries, both of which received a mighty impetus from the building of the railroad, but the dull times which followed so hard upon the starting of Machias prevented it from securing the splencid early development which it might othersise have had. END OF QUOTE. No mention of Daniel BERRY or hwf Belle BERRY was found. In my recall Rudd or rudd translates to "red" but I see no further mention of it. Perhaps there are others on here who might have that info. I knew a BERRY Family in Snohomish - good friends, in fact. The ones I knew moved away and have since passed away, but I will try to make further inquiry in case they could have been from that possible tie, and let you know if I find one. I could not find a Berry surname among the biographical sketches in the above quoted source. Good hunting and I hope someone can help you trace those names! There are books of unusual or names of WA places, Also, there are sources for finding old Post Offices & who the postal clerks were - I know because I have used it. A gazeteer sometimes works to find info, I have found. Earliest Gazeteer having Machias WA in it might be revealing. My experience in finding Hartland, WA. worked wonders for finding my Grt Grt GF's gravesite at Lone Pine Cemetary (sic.!) as it was spelled across the top of the gates to it, 12 miles up into rattlesnake country from Lyle, WA on the Columbia River, WA side - Lyle, itself, is a nitch in the hwy (The Dalles area). The pioneers there always called it High Prairie. Indians buried there, also. Best wishes, or 73, Carroll, Snohomish * * * A Blessed Christmas to ALL * * * ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hey Gary, I sent a letter to your library September 12, 1998 inquiring about some Fisks of mine and never received a response. How long will it before I hear something? Pretty interesting that someone recommended to me your library and I failed to even get a reponse that you can't even help me. Michelle A. Day michelleann@ameritech.net