I believe you can order an entire roll. Sometimes the roll is cheaper then ordering copies of the file specially if there is two members of your family on it. Michelle

The Seattle-Puget Sound Area TMG Users Group meets usually the first Sunday of the month at 5:00 pm in the Newport Hills Library. This month it is Sunday, January 3rd. Visitors are welcome. Directions to the library: http://www.kcls.org/npw/direct.html For further information about meetings or to be placed on this group's e-mail list, contact the chair: Celia Tomlin <celitoml@kcls.org> --Ida Skarson McCormick, idamc@seanet.com, Seattle --------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: Celia Tomlin <celitoml@kcls.org> Subject: TMG - This coming Sunday Hi all, ... we decided not to change the meeting from the first Sunday, so See you all Sunday, Jan 3 at 5:00pm at the Newport Way Library. Bring questions or show off Christmas gifts. Later, Celia Tomlin

At 04:07 PM 12/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hello Judy & all - >Somehow I missed getting a copy of the original e-mail message on >this. Glad I spotted the replies though because I wanted to let >everyone know that I have an article online regarding this specific >topic: > How To Order Military & Pension Records > for Union Civil War Veterans from the National Archives > http://www.oz.net/~cyndihow/pensions.htm By all means this is the place to start. Once you get to the NARA pages, you'll have the ability to order forms to request the records. Ordering via the web page is much faster than writing for them. Tips: You must know the name and unit of the soldier. If you don't know the unit, don't waste your time requesting records. If your name is common, you might want to provide his wife's name. The people pulling the file and sending you the copies have their brain in gear; meaning that they "edit" the file to pick out pages of genealogical interest. They do this (I presume) to keep the cost to you down. They're generally good at picking out the best stuff. Pension files can be quite large; I've spent as much as $150 for a complete copy. Other files can be even larger. They don't seem to send you more than about $50 worth of stuff no matter what you say on the request form. They'll stop at around $50 and send you a form to fill out if you want more. Some soldiers didn't apply for a pension.. That's life. General comment: The propensity for government paperwork in this country was obviously created before the Civil War, as the pension files will show. Lawyers needed to be hired to submit statements, doctors needed to go to lengthy descriptions of injuries, relatives needed to be contacted and asked to submit testimony, congressmen needed to intervene now and then to keep the process going. Family Bibles needed to be sent for verification of birth dates, then returned. One clerk needed to write a note to another clerk. All of this communication concerning the applicant might be in the pension files. When I finally got the entire file (for $150), there was a slip of paper in it, about 3" by 3". On it was written "Applicant's father is on the pension board". As always, start with Cindislist.com, then have fun!! Marty Marty Cassidy cassidym@accessone.com (2 c's and 2 s's in accessone) Seattle, WA USA

Hello Judy & all - Somehow I missed getting a copy of the original e-mail message on this. Glad I spotted the replies though because I wanted to let everyone know that I have an article online regarding this specific topic: How To Order Military & Pension Records for Union Civil War Veterans from the National Archives http://www.oz.net/~cyndihow/pensions.htm Good luck with your research, Cyndi At 06:07 PM 12/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/30/98 9:21:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, >JLynnSchus@aol.com writes: > ><< > I ordered and recently received a Pension File from the National >Archives for > a Civil War Veteran. Even though I asked them to copy the entire >file, I > don't believe that they did. It seems like I recall someone saying >that it >is > possible, once you know the case number, etc. to order (rent) the >roll of > microfilm which contains those records and look at the entire file >yourself. > Does anyone know if this is true? If so, where would I order the >film from? > Any tips would be appreciated. > > Judy >>

I once visited the Archives to lookup my ancestor's Civil War pension file and was given a large manila folder containing the original documents including the application (with a diagram showing his bullet wounds!), renewal correspondence, and finally the check returned notification indicating the pensioner had died. I was able to copy the documents although the rules were that they must be submitted to the desk for a determination of their fragility. I don't know if it is still possible to review the pension file itself. Jim Carlson

Hello, In the November-December issue of Everton's Genealogical Helper there is an article on "1998 'Top Twenty' Websites. There are twenty categories and twenty sites listed in alphabetical order under each category. In part the article says that this is not their way of handing out "awards." "Rather, they are our way of recognizing the sites on each list, and hoping that serious genealogical researchers will recognize the value and efforts of those who created these websites. "The sites chose in this inaugural set of lists were chosen because each of them contains something unique to offer family history researchers." In the "Census" category, one of the twenty sites honored was the School Census of Students, Arline, Wash. 1911 ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/wa/pierce/school/11arline.txt contributed to the Pierce County section of the Washington GenWeb Archives by Cherie Kuranko. Congratulations to Cherie and to the WA GenWeb Archives for this honor, and thanks to Cyndi's List, which is probably where the compilers of this article found a link to this data. Thank you, Kevin Fraley (Swimref@cmc.net) Washington GenWeb Archives Manager

In a message dated 12/30/98 9:21:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, JLynnSchus@aol.com writes: << I ordered and recently received a Pension File from the National Archives for a Civil War Veteran. Even though I asked them to copy the entire file, I don't believe that they did. It seems like I recall someone saying that it is possible, once you know the case number, etc. to order (rent) the roll of microfilm which contains those records and look at the entire file yourself. Does anyone know if this is true? If so, where would I order the film from? Any tips would be appreciated. Judy >> Judy, The Archives has a strange way of dealing with these requests. The problem is that if you request copies of the file they copy the first $10 worth of what they think is of genealogical value and that's what they send you. If you want the complete file you have to pay extra. But the weird part is that the first $10 worth of copies come from one office and the other copies come from another office. It is a system that I would assume makes it very easy for you not to end up with the complete file. There are two ways to get the complete file copied from the Archives. The quickest and I would assume most accurate way to get the complete file is to note on the request form that you submit that you want the complete file and give them your credit card billing information. They will then copy the complete file, bill you and send the copies all in one process. The second way is to write on the form that you want the complete file copied and ask them to send you the bill. There is a box to check on the form for this option. They will send you a form saying they found the file and to send them the $10 for the first batch of copies. When they send you the first set of copies they will send you another form that tells you how many pages are in the second batch of copies and what the cost is with a different remittance address than the first batch. Then they will ship you that batch of copies. I have received three ancestors files this way without a problem (that I know of!). Hope this helps!! Cheryl Hawley

LDS would probably be a good resource. The branch addresses and # are in most phone directories. Phyllis Ceratto Evans JLynnSchus@aol.com wrote: > I ordered and recently received a Pension File from the National Archives for > a Civil War Veteran. Even though I asked them to copy the entire file, I > don't believe that they did. It seems like I recall someone saying that it is > possible, once you know the case number, etc. to order (rent) the roll of > microfilm which contains those records and look at the entire file yourself. > Does anyone know if this is true? If so, where would I order the film from? > Any tips would be appreciated. > > Judy

I ordered and recently received a Pension File from the National Archives for a Civil War Veteran. Even though I asked them to copy the entire file, I don't believe that they did. It seems like I recall someone saying that it is possible, once you know the case number, etc. to order (rent) the roll of microfilm which contains those records and look at the entire file yourself. Does anyone know if this is true? If so, where would I order the film from? Any tips would be appreciated. Judy

You need to be very cautious about relying on the computer translation programs, unless your intention is to entertain or to offend, depending on your audience. Babelfish, which you referenced, is the most popular http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? but read on to see what you can do to yourself! Here's a good test - here's the original message about Babelfish: "Go here to write in English and translate instantly into French, Italian, Portegese...etc! They only have about a dozen languages so far and I just wrote a letter to my hubbys family in Rome in Italian and our friend in France in French! What fun! Wouldn't it be wonderful if they eventually have different Nations translations? Just thought I should share this find! Have a great day!" Here is the message translated from English to French: Allez ici écrire en anglais et traduire immédiatement en franèais, italien, Portegese...etc..! Ils ont seulement environ les langages une douzaine jusqu'ici et j'ai juste écrit une lettre þ ma famille de hubbys þ Rome en italien et notre ami en France en franèais! Quel amusement! Ne serait-il pas merveilleux s' ils ont par la suite différentes traductions de nations? Pensée juste je devrais partager cette trouvaille! Ayez un jour splendide! Then I translated the French back to English, using Babelfish again: Here write in English and translate immediately into French, Italian, Portegese... etc.! They have only approximately the languages up to now a dozen and I have right writing a letter with my family of hubbys in Rome in Italian and our friend in French France! What a recreation! Wouldn't it be marvellous if they have various translations of nations thereafter? Thought right I should share this lucky find! Have one day splendid! This message actually did fairly well. I don't know about other languages, but the people who are active on the German list will translate short inquiry letters for free. Other sites provide templates for the more common types of genealogical query letters. Some people hire college students who are in language classes to translate letters. If you know the people you are writing to and don't mind making a fool out of yourself, then Babelfish could work, sortof. You learn how to write for it - no slang, very formal language, no expressions, etc. It's most useful for getting the gist of documents - use Babelfish for the first translation, then a dual-language dictionary for the rest. Have one day splendid! Diane dhettrick@earthlink.net

Hi List: Recently found two old yearbooks for Franklin High School in Seattle. One is for 1944 and the other is for 1949. The 44 "Tolo" is called the South American number and features a lot of copies of letters from South America and poetry, possibly from students. The 49 "Tolo" is called the Northwest number and a tribute to Charlotte Bisazza, an art teacher. It was owned by Sandy Dorbecker (male) and has several autographs. This one has an index so looking up names would be a snap. The earlier one might take a little longer but I'm willing to give it a try. I would also be willing to sell these to anyone who is interested for my cost ($2 each) plus postage. I have no ties to this school.

Brigitte: Check out Cyndis web page for help on Pierce County Research at http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/famline.htm

In a message dated 12/29/98 9:33:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, lynnette-in- texas@juno.com writes: << Subj: Franklin Hi Yearbooks-Seattle Date: 12/29/98 9:33:56 PM Pacific Standard Time From: lynnette-in-texas@juno.com (Lynnette T Wescovich) Reply-to: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com Hi List: Recently found two old yearbooks for Franklin High School in Seattle. One is for 1944 and the other is for 1949. The 44 "Tolo" is called the South American number and features a lot of copies of letters from South America and poetry, possibly from students. The 49 "Tolo" is called the Northwest number and a tribute to Charlotte Bisazza, an art teacher. It was owned by Sandy Dorbecker (male) and has several autographs. This one has an index so looking up names would be a snap. The earlier one might take a little longer but I'm willing to give it a try. I would also be willing to sell these to anyone who is interested for my cost ($2 each) plus postage. I have no ties to this school. >> Lynette, I would be interested in purchasing your yearbooks... Thanks, Cheryl Hawley

John and list: Watch out for this translation tool. It doesn't necessarily translate accurately. I translated part of a book written by a man in Alsace and posted it back to the list and this guy still won't answer my e-mails, he is totally insulted! It seems the translation made many words completely opposite of what was meant, so if this gal is writing to other countries it is likely to backfire on her. The only on-line translation that is accurate is a paid for service by real people who can interpret the intent of the message instead of just trying to find an English equivalent for the word. Beware! Norma John Wm Sloniker wrote: > > Passing this on for those interested. -- John in Seattle > > > http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? > > Go here to write in English and translate instantly into French, Italian, > Portegese...etc! > Wouldn't it be wonderful if they eventually have different Nations > translations? >

Passing this on for those interested. -- John in Seattle --------- Forwarded message --------- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:07:00 -0800 From: IMBURGIA <imburgia@WHIDBEY.COM> To: INDIAN-HERITAGE-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Subject: [IHF] Internet Instant Translation site! http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? Go here to write in English and translate instantly into French, Italian, Portegese...etc! They only have about a dozen languages so far and I just wrote a letter to my hubbys family in Rome in Italian and our friend in France in French! What fun! Wouldn't it be wonderful if they eventually have different Nations translations? Just thought I should share this find! Have a great day! Spiritdove ~v~

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Good job Kitty! Even tho I didn't have any surnames in those books, I loved your responses to the different queries. Evelyn

There were several "queries" in regard to the posting of my Christmas gift, "Logging Railroads in Skagit County," by Dennis Blake Thompson (published by Northwest Short Line, Seattle, Washington - all rights reserved). Here is what I have discovered: ---------- For rhicks@az.com (Rod Hicks) - Yes, your friend Mel ADCOX is mentioned! On page 5-130 is a photo taken near Alger about 1916. It shows a Shay No. 4. Also in the photo are five men. The only ones named are Bud Campbell, brakeman and Melvin Adcox. None of the other members of ADCOX family are mentioned in the book. (They are not mentioned in "Yarns of the Skagit Country," by Ray Jordan either.) There are several areas of the "logging" book that mention the Big Lake, Washington area. From time to time I will post some of that information to the PSroots-List for you. By the way, I'm told that one of my g-grandfather's (William Cyms HOLETON) was a "wobbly" and is buried in the North Bend, Washington cemetery. ---------- For steven-cole@geocities.com (Steve Cole) - I did not find any mention of Elias COLE. ---------- For Remeor@aol.com (Reed) - There is a Stanley REED mentioned as "boiler maker" on page 1-31. He is one of eleven men pictured with the No. 12 (Climax Engine). There is also an Ozzie REID mentioned in Ray Jordan's book, "Yarns of the Skagit Country." It seems that Ozzie may have been the fireman aboard Old No. 10 (also a Climax Engine) when it decided to take a bath in Lake Whatcom. In short, an air system was used to hold a string of cars. A series of events caused air to leak off the brakes on cars parked on a hill. About 14 loads rumbled down and collided with the switching locomotive. The impact rolled her off the track and into the Lake. Since Ray has quite a way with words, I'll quote a paragraph or two verbatim here. "It was ONE OF THOSE DAYS in the logging business in the year of 1924. Here was the old 10-Spot, a 90-ton Climax lokey, taking a bath in the cool waters of Lake Whatcom, and it wasn't Saturday night, either. She was lying on her back with her feet (sorry, we mean wheels) waving in the air, reminding one of an overgrown porker cooling off in a mudhole and not anxious to leave it. . . . . .Members of this train crew, as far as memories will permit, were: Geo. Woods, head brakeman; possibly either "Red" Orr or Rolly Parson, 2nd brakeman; Ed Woods, engineer; and maybe Ozzie Reid, fireman. . . . . .The engineer and fireman saw the disaster on wheels coming in time and unloaded in somewhat of a hurry, and the brakemen leaped into the clear. Luckily, no one was injured." Do you have any CURTIS connections? I recently noticed a CURTIS-REED query on the Curtis-List. Would be happy to forward it on to you. ---------- Smith Family - (sorry, I misplaced your email address). Sumas, Washington is not mentioned in either of my "Skagit" books. This is not too surprising as Sumas is near the Canadian border in Whatcom County (Washington). What I did find interesting is your mention of Lottie Saar, Albert Smith's sister. There is a Saar Road near my house in Kent (Washington). I have seen the Saar name mentioned on the PSroots-List (Puget Sound). Perhaps someone else researching the SAAR surname can find a connection for you from the brother and two sisters you mentioned. Albert SMITH (possibly moved to Sumas around 1900) Lottie Smith SAAR (m. George SAAR - George died Oct 18, 1898) Edna Myrtle Smith BOND (m. Loren BOND) Successful Ancestor Hunting, everyone and Happy New Year! HOLTON-L List Owner The Rootbound Researcher * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kitty (CURTIS) Martin Kent, Washington k9504m@aol.com Researching: CURTIS, GATES, HENSLEY, HOL(E)TON, JAMES; ZIEGLER, SWIFT, POLK, GREGORY, GRACE (etc.) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/8946/index.htm

Hi, I am looking for information on Otto Drumm and/or his descendents. Otto was born 1860 in Theisbergstegen, Germany. After coming to America he made his way to Tacoma, possibly by way of Iowa and Colorado where he had siblings that had emigrated at an earlier date. He had a restaurant/tavern in Tacoma where he met his oldest brother, Jacob, for the first time on Christmas 1907. Jacob had left Germany before Otto and his twin brother Eugen were born. Suppposedly, there was an article about this encounter in a German-American newspaper. It also mentions that Otto had been in Tacoma about 19 years. I would like to find out more about Otto. Was he married? Did he have a family? Also, where might I be able to track down a copy of this newspaper article? Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Brigitte in Arizona

Hi Bob, Just in case, I checked the "Marriage Records of King County, Washington 1853 to 1884" - there are BUSH entries for A.J., Agnes, Emily, William R., and Mary S. No DALY, no BOUCHER. I believe that the official King County records start after this. This book was compiled by the Seattle Genealogical Society and includes all the entries before the official recordkeeping began. It also includes the early Methodist Church records. However, you will need something more specific than 1885-1890 before you can ask King County for a marriage record. Hopefully someone else will know. Diane in Shoreline (state of WA, USA) dhettrick@earthlink.net Robert Doud Martin wrote: > > Everyone rested after Christmas? > > I have a question regarding marriages in King Co. Maybe someone here > can help. I am looking for a way to find out if Charles H. DALY and > Clara Frances BUSH (aka BOUCHER) were married in King Co. sometime > between 1885 and 1890. Can someone suggest where I should start my > search? > > Thank you, > > Bob Martin > Eagle River, Alaska