** Reply to message from Carroll H Clark <w7iml@juno.com> on Tue, 2 Feb 1999 05:39:57 -0800 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Carroll, > >Parenthetically, the "old" London Bridge is now in Arizona. The London Bridge in Arizona is certainly older than the one now in use. It was opened in 1831, and widened from 52 feet to 65 feet in 1901. But when we talk about "old" London Bridge we usually mean not even the one that "new" bridge replaced but an even earlier structure, built of timber and with wooden houses standing on it, that in John Lothropp's day would have been one of the great sights of London. John, in Lewisham, Greater London, England

Please Delete/Scroll if not interested. LATHROP/LOTHROP/LOTHROPP gen./Fam Hist. Puget Sound area kin : On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:39:27 -0800 w7iml writes: >Clink Prison Revisited >Researcher Gregg Kinney of Highlands Ranch, south of Denver reports >having recently spent an hour in what remains of London's old Clink >Prison and mused that Rev. John Lothropp probably will recall that he >spent almost two years in the Clink prison for espousing politically >incorrect religious sentiments. > >The Clink Prison, which gave its name in the vernacular to all >subsequent jails, was built in the 12th century and maintained by >successive Bishops of Winchester until its destruction in 1780. The >Clink was a place that would never have been mistaken for a >"Correctional Institute." The Clink Prison display is currently >located on Clink Street near the modern Londong Bridge in the >Southward area of London. >Parenthetically, the "old" London Bridge is now in Arizona. > In an area of about 80 acres (known as "The Liberty of the Clink") >the Bishops of Winchester made laws. It was the "red light" district >of its day with taverns and amusements ranging from bull and bear >baiting to theater. The Globe Theater of Shakespeare fame was situated >close by. > The reconstruction of the Clink is approached via an old door, then >down a few steps into a cubicle sized waiting area in the basement of >an old warehouse- type building. > The visitor is treated not only to the view of several rooms >simulating prison cells, but can indulge in the hands-on( but >probably carefully supervised) exhibit of restraining and torture >devices. In the event that the devices do not suggest how they are >used, there are ample graphics to so instruct the inquisitive mind. > For those unable to make an inperson visit, voluntarily or otherwise, >there is an interactive URL at http/www.clink.co.uk that should be of >interest to both Lothropphiles and jailphiles alike. >Above QUOTED FROM Vol 10 Issue 1 Jan 1999 Lothropp Family Foundation >Newsletter. > Among the President's Message he writes that ". . 365 years ago, >Rev. John Lothropp surfed his boat onto the shores of Boston. Now, >his descendants ( and everyone else) can 'surf the web' and find our >new web site at www.Lothropp.org (end of quote). > >Carroll X ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Please Delete/Scroll, if not interested: A newly formed High Prairie Genealogical Society has been in the winds of peoples minds down Lyle, WA. parts. It's located at Hartland, WA. Well, where is Hartland, let alone "High Prairie"? High Prairie/Hartland is 12 mi. N into the interior from Lyle, WA ( loc. on the Columbia River), across and down river from The Dalles. Hartland found on old maps, High Prairie, not to my knowledge -the Community of farmers called it that, very fondly! Beautiful view of distant mountains S from up there ! Watch for rattle snakes, cats ! Wild! Nada (Clark) McMurren, ret'd Teacher at Lyle, and her many friends have worked diligently to initiate this new gen. soc. to accumulate the many memories, memorabilia, and gen. of this obscure loc. in Klickitate Co. Nada was discovered by me when, in 1983, I wrote to the Post Master, Lyle, WA. inquiring about anyone who would know Hartland, WA as it had a U.S. Post Office turn of the century. It was Nada that answered me as she was Secy. to the Lone Pine Cemetary (yes, that is the way it's spelled over entrance to it) at Hartland, but to the natives, fondly, "High Prairie" and still is. Nada,an ancestral Cousin it turn out, was the one who handed me my Clark Line genealogy back to 1637 CT! The rest is "History!" bitten completely and irretrievably by the gen. bug! Now is my chance to "repay" her and the High Prairie Gen. Soc. by sending them a VHS copy of my 8mm. Hi 8 creation of gen. on video. This was the 2 hr. video that I made about a yr ago and mentioned on PSR a few mos. back. Chock full of gen.! As I type, the 2 hr tape is being fed to the VHS in recording mode, set for the full 2 hr. capacity of the VHS tape - supposedly the higher the speed, the better the copy. However, I have compared Extra Long Play and the highest speed and discern little difference using various quality tapes. Text is one of the critical items when video taping - especially after being copied - copying tends to deteriorate in quality of image, unless digital enhancement is used - that is expensive. The close-ups of pix, fan type gen chart, diaries galore, autograph albums, memorabilia can show legibly. If I found some priting or writing that just didn't photograph that well, I got close ups, and read them aloud as I was video taping to act as a crutch. In doing this video & contributing it to this newly formed society, I have been able to furnish them with a lot of genealogy items in a two hour package. There are the rare large sized pix of the rustic cabin school at High Prairie, with fortunately the names of nearly all of the students of various ages, and names of their teachers both on the front and the back. Someone was thinking ahead! My source, blood relatives, lived in Everett, WA. are long gone to Texas, but thank God they allowed me to do something that I had always wanted to do on my own, and that is make a documentary with some value to it, and I think this tends to fulfill that desire - something useful to someone sometime. Time? Turn of the Century, later 1800s thru early 1900s, but of course these people branched out over the generations, many still strung along the Columbia R., down into OR, up through Puget Sound Country and the Pac. NW. From my Photo notes, are surnames:Hiatt, Putman (man)James J., judge & Fam of Centerville, and High Prairie; Baker, Ryman, Tate(friends not related), French (same), Clark, of course, et al. Danish Sorensen surname, Cooksley, farther down the track. I see that I am running out of ink, so I must stop ! My cursor is about to be cursed. Carroll. X ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

This was a very interesting posting, Carroll. Especially with my "correctional" background! Evelyn

yes John , I'd like to see it Marilyn mscaretti@juno.com On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:21:09 -0800 (PST) John Wm Sloniker <johnwms@serv.net> writes: >Hi Dianne, > >I too have an item that is off topic. In fact, it's so far off that >I >won't post it here. > >I have an e-mail "document" that I would like a few to review. It's >about social history and anthropology, if I can strecth it that far, >with some remarks about 400 years and others 15,000 years ago. > >Anyone curious and want to see it, let me know off-list. > >John > *===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===* > # John Wm Sloniker <johnwms@serv.net> Seattle, WA # > # (206) 789-6663 7323 - 19th Ave NW 98117-5612 # > *===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===* > > >

Hi Dianne, I too have an item that is off topic. In fact, it's so far off that I won't post it here. I have an e-mail "document" that I would like a few to review. It's about social history and anthropology, if I can strecth it that far, with some remarks about 400 years and others 15,000 years ago. Anyone curious and want to see it, let me know off-list. John *===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===* # John Wm Sloniker <johnwms@serv.net> Seattle, WA # # (206) 789-6663 7323 - 19th Ave NW 98117-5612 # *===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*

John: Thanks for posting the article. Yes I would like to see the info you have.........glen

Hello to native puget sounders just don't want to leave anyone out - several of us are having offline conversations about our childhood and 60's cultural influences growing up in western washington. do check the web site George found - just too much fun! http://callihan.netgate.net/seattle/past.htm Ok - anyone remember Engineer Walt or Gabe's? Off list, please, I can't even *pretend* this is genealogy! Diane Mailto:dhettrick@earthlink.net

Don McCune was Capt. Puget on the old Seattle Kid's tv show... Ivar Hagland of Ivar's was a regular visiter. Later Don McCune did a 1/2 (?) tv show that covered all sorts of northwest activities. These shows are being re-released by McCune's wife, who is also involved with publishing books of his adventures. One of his shows was about following the Alaskan Gold miners trails through the Yukon into Alaska... Darilee ---------- > From: by way of Cyndi Howells <cyndihow@oz.net> <carolynp@sprynet.com> > To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Don McCune Library > Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 8:46 AM > > Today, while driving the freeway, I passed a van with commercial > lettering that > read, "Don McCune Library, Woodinville, preserving our Northwest > Heritage." > > Is anyone aware of this library? Are they referring to > genealogical type > heritage? In my years of researching in the Puget Sound Region, I > have never > heard them mentioned. > > If this is a resource that would be of help to any of us, I sure > would like us > all to know. > > Anybody? > Carolyn

I followed this lead a ways and came up with the following site: http://callihan.netgate.net/seattle/past.htm If you are a native of the Seattle/Tacoma or Tacoma /Seattle area of the 50's vintage you'll love this site. George Lowe Diane Hettrick wrote: > Hello Puget Sound searchers, > > Virtue is its own reward <she said smugly> > I went looking for Capt. Puget - for whom I have fond memories - and found him. > The web site for the Don McCune Library is below and I copied part of the > section about his Capt. Puget persona. > > However, what I found in the process was an AWESOME search engine. > Listen up! > For obscure searches like dead local celebrities, I have been using a big > search engine called dogpile - it takes a long time to load but it searches 12 > search engines at one time and has access to about 6 more. I nearly always > find what I want. So I typed in www.dogpile.org/ and sat back to wait. > Whoosh! Instant load and I'm looking at something called 37.com with a simple > screen and a place to type in your keywords. Typed in "don mccune" - hit > search - and whoosh! instant load and first choice is the Don McCune library. > > 37.com searches 37 search engines - every one I have ever heard of and a few I > haven't. I am breathless. > http://37.com/ > > Ok - have to go now and look for obscure dead ancestors on 37.com > > Diane > Shoreline > Mailto:dhettrick@earthlink.net > > http://web3.foxinternet.net/donmccune/ > http://web3.foxinternet.net/donmccune/History.htm > > Captain Puget ~ 1957-1966 > > In 1957, KOMO-TV in Seattle asked Don to be > Captain Puget, the skipper of the 'Windward > Four', taking northwest children on television > voyages around Puget Sound and singing sea > chanteys. For nearly ten years this daily live > broadcast sailed the northwest airwaves. Don > was fondly known as Captain Puget for the rest of his life.

I work at the AAA office over on 18th and Union in Tacoma, I got to meet Bill McClain!!� I couldn't help myself, I was thrilled to have actually gotten to meet Brakeman Bill!!!� I think he was pleased that someone remembered him even in a suit and tie. Nora -- Mailto:Norahiatt@sprintmail.com Maxine Correa Where are YOU??? http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/i/a/Nora-Ann-Hiatt-WA/ �

Hello Puget Sound searchers, Virtue is its own reward <she said smugly> I went looking for Capt. Puget - for whom I have fond memories - and found him. The web site for the Don McCune Library is below and I copied part of the section about his Capt. Puget persona. However, what I found in the process was an AWESOME search engine. Listen up! For obscure searches like dead local celebrities, I have been using a big search engine called dogpile - it takes a long time to load but it searches 12 search engines at one time and has access to about 6 more. I nearly always find what I want. So I typed in www.dogpile.org/ and sat back to wait. Whoosh! Instant load and I'm looking at something called 37.com with a simple screen and a place to type in your keywords. Typed in "don mccune" - hit search - and whoosh! instant load and first choice is the Don McCune library. 37.com searches 37 search engines - every one I have ever heard of and a few I haven't. I am breathless. http://37.com/ Ok - have to go now and look for obscure dead ancestors on 37.com Diane Shoreline Mailto:dhettrick@earthlink.net http://web3.foxinternet.net/donmccune/ http://web3.foxinternet.net/donmccune/History.htm Captain Puget ~ 1957-1966 In 1957, KOMO-TV in Seattle asked Don to be Captain Puget, the skipper of the 'Windward Four', taking northwest children on television voyages around Puget Sound and singing sea chanteys. For nearly ten years this daily live broadcast sailed the northwest airwaves. Don was fondly known as Captain Puget for the rest of his life.

I must be the only old fogey here! He was Captain Puget. I practically grew up on he and JP, Brakeman Bill and Sheriff Tex. CP did several historical pieces for TV, one of which was on the Klondike. He and several others followed the trail must have been late 60's or early 70's. A library or museum in his honor would undoubtedly be of use to many readers. George Lowe John Wm Sloniker wrote: > On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Terri Gordon wrote: > > > Don's family set this library up in memory of Don McCune. His family lives > > in Woodinville. I don't think it is geneological related. Don McCune had a > > TV show in the 60's (& 70's?) - (I think it was called NW PASSAGE). On the > > show they took you on tours around the Northwest, by car, helicopter, etc. > > educating us on our area. If interested I can find out more. Terri, > > Redmond, WA > > Yes, I remember his show. Now let's see if I can remember which station; > Fisher Milling? Ch. 4 ?? > > Seem to recall he even covered a few old mining towns of the area. > > Yes, I would like to know the library focus. > > John > *===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===* > # John Wm Sloniker <johnwms@serv.net> Seattle, WA # > # (206) 789-6663 7323 - 19th Ave NW 98117-5612 # > *===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*

BRAVO ! BRAVO! BRAVO ! Those Subject words, or phrase has been MY BATTLE CRY ever since the concern began, and right up to the PRESENT! However, I did not type that Subject phrase, I hit Reply, pasted it up there, withheld the msg., the source, and I have Posted it to PSR by Subject only. I will let the Others of us who have worked so hard for this Cause post the News that will follow about SNOHOMISH CEMETERY. LOOK FORWARD to MORE which is probably happening as "we speak". I can say that I was ELATED to get my Copy. * * * As an ASIDE: Let there be peace! "Road Rage" is inappropriate on PSR. Accusations as to "politics" "propaganda" "inappropriate" indescretions of any kind- please e-mail personally, rather than PSRoots. I have NO intent of "politics" "propaganda" as I abhor both. And the Cemetery Group certainly know that I am NOT an activist - Bless Their Hearts! VERBOSITY, rambling, deviating all over h. . I admit to, apologize for. Some are extremely brief. I ex-lax, so keep those wrist watches on high ground. BUT, I mean well, but I am not MEAN ! As a classroom teacher, I taught about PROPAGANDA which I included in my Social Studies, and History classes over the years. From the Sales pitches of super markets with the Island Specials, car Sales, etc. to the WWII, & subsequent wars. Including the documented fact that our POWs would lie on a cot in a fetal position and die, because the enemy broke down the psychological ties with their Values - Family, Religion, Ethics, etc. Psychological Warfare/Propaganda. FAMILY TIES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN WE REALIZE, OFTENTIME. The warp and weft of People. The Flotsam and Jetsam of Life. E-mail me, not PSRoots if I conflict with your Perspective of what I write, or think, and I am sure that we can come up with compatible Solution. Past experience has that on my side. Sincere good hunting to you ALL ! Carroll in Ol' Snohomish, location of Snohomish Cemetery ! * * * 30 * * * ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Okay, was Don McCune the man who was Capt Puget?� I remember years later he had a show on 4 that was very good.� I was devistated when he passed. Nora -- Mailto:Norahiatt@sprintmail.com Maxine Correa Where are YOU??? http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/i/a/Nora-Ann-Hiatt-WA/ �

On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Terri Gordon wrote: > Don's family set this library up in memory of Don McCune. His family lives > in Woodinville. I don't think it is geneological related. Don McCune had a > TV show in the 60's (& 70's?) - (I think it was called NW PASSAGE). On the > show they took you on tours around the Northwest, by car, helicopter, etc. > educating us on our area. If interested I can find out more. Terri, > Redmond, WA Yes, I remember his show. Now let's see if I can remember which station; Fisher Milling? Ch. 4 ?? Seem to recall he even covered a few old mining towns of the area. Yes, I would like to know the library focus. John *===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===* # John Wm Sloniker <johnwms@serv.net> Seattle, WA # # (206) 789-6663 7323 - 19th Ave NW 98117-5612 # *===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*===*

Don's family set this library up in memory of Don McCune. His family lives in Woodinville. I don't think it is geneological related. Don McCune had a TV show in the 60's (& 70's?) - (I think it was called NW PASSAGE). On the show they took you on tours around the Northwest, by car, helicopter, etc. educating us on our area. If interested I can find out more. Terri, Redmond, WA -----Original Message----- From: by way of Cyndi Howells <cyndihow@oz.net> <carolynp@sprynet.com> To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com <PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 5:13 PM Subject: Don McCune Library >Today, while driving the freeway, I passed a van with commercial >lettering that >read, "Don McCune Library, Woodinville, preserving our Northwest >Heritage." > >Is anyone aware of this library? Are they referring to >genealogical type >heritage? In my years of researching in the Puget Sound Region, I >have never >heard them mentioned. > >If this is a resource that would be of help to any of us, I sure >would like us >all to know. > >Anybody? >Carolyn >

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Hi list, One of the things I really like about this list is the history of the Puget Sound area that is posted. Carroll Clark is one of our greatest contributors. I especially like his comments on the present and past action and events of the area. I though that was what genealogy is really about. What good is a list of names if you don't know any thing about them or how their lives differ form ours?. I signed up for the Hawaiian roots list which said it was for Hawaiian History and Genealogy. the only thing I ever see there is request for name searches, I have sent is several post requesting historical facts and information and never get any replies. If this all this list is only going to be, requests for name searches, I will be gone. Kit, Olala WA. kits@kits.seanet.com

Hi Fredi, That Louis is Leonard and he was skipper of the Lorne and Tees, etc. The Lorne was a Puget Sound Navigation tug but "leased" to a Canadian company to get by Customs. I don't yet know how the name Louis got switched from Leonard but there is no doubt that it is the same person. I have a very good amount of info on the CPR and when he drowned ( court records, etc ) but I am trying to fill in some of the gaps in the early years. I have all the directory info for Victoria but lack Nanaimo (Sp) and also info on 1890s' in Port Townsend, etc. Fred, my father, immigrated to the US in 1926 and was working on the Seattle-Tacoma run ??? I remember him working out of Edmonds (Black Ball) when I was little but prior to that is still a mystery. He drowned in Seattle in 1942 on the tug Annie Foss ( I think) Thanks for the help.. any and all info is gratefully accepted. Syd -----Original Message----- From: Fredi Perry <fperry@oz.net> To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com <PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Turn of the Century Ferries - Attention Sydney .... >Sydney: I found a reference to Capt. Louis P. Locke in >Gordon Newell's the "H. W. McCurdy Marine History of the >Pacific Northwest", but no Fred or Leonard. Louis was >Captain of the Princess Sophia, according to Newell, and >headed a 75 man crew ... responsible for a total of 343 >people on that ill-fated voyage. There's a wonderful >account (wonderful is NOT appropriate here) of the disaster >in the Newell book. > >Another reference, this time using the initials ... Capt. L. >P. Locke served on the Lorne at one time. > > > >HI Fredi, >Names... Fred S. Locke (father) and Leonard P. Locke >(grandfather) . Leonard >went down with Princess Sophia in 1918. Fred worked out of >Edmonds in the >early 40's and then to Pioneer Sand & Gravel on the tugs. I >am looking for >pre- 40's info. Anything appreciated. Syd >-----Original Message----- >From: Fredi Perry <fperry@oz.net> >To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com <PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 10:24 PM >Subject: Re: Turn of the Century Ferries - Attention Sydney >.... > >>Give me names .... I've got an extensive maritime library >of >>PS ... even a relative whose family once owned BB ... >>fperry@oz.net >> >> > >