HI Mary & Nora, Our Tacoma-Pierce County Genealogical Society is nearly finished data entering the western part of Pierce County's cemeteries, including Western Washington Hospital deaths occurring at the hospital. These recorded deaths are of inmates who were not always buried at their burial grounds, but if buried there, most are by number on the headstone, not name. I do believe the mentioned area is the hospital burial grounds. Sincerely, Janet Baccus, T-PCGS Projects chr. Puyallup, WA

I remember the creek out behind the hospital. After my father died, us kids were "adopted" by the man across the street. He and his wife included us in everything. One was a trip out to the canyon. Were the headstones you found white marble? Were you by chance in the field across from the hospital? It is now a county park. Nora -- Mailto:Norahiatt@sprintmail.com Andrew Manar WHERE ARE YOU???? http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/i/a/Nora-Ann-Hiatt-WA/

Greetings: I am searching for fellow passengers aboard the Ship Edinburg, arriving in Philadelphia, PA, Sep 14, 1753. Do you know where your passenger was from? I am researching all passengers who were with my ancestor so that I can narrow down the possible locations. I am trying to find the ancestral home of my Peter FLICKINGER, born 1730, who went to Berks Co, PA, living near Pottstown, later Union Twp., and finally East Buffalo Twp, near Sunbury, Northumberland/ Union Co. He and wife Mary/Molly were Brethren or Lutheran. Sincerely, Robin Flickinger Maddox

Greetings, Listmembers: Yesterday, I went to the Tacoma FHC at S.12th and asked about the location of the Wuertembourg Emmigration Index. None of the workers had the slightest idea. Would they be a collection of fiche, nestled in with the many draweres of fiche? From mailgroups, I had the ideas they would be film. Anyway, I found some PA & Delaware Passenger Lists in three fiche and a large Hamburg stack. If you know where they are located in Tacoma, please respond. Also, where is the largest collection of German and French emigration records around? Does S.L.C. have many of the specialized emigration books on fiche to view or borrow? Sincere thanks, Robin Flickinger Maddox

Hi! When I was a little girl we used to picnic on a creek that ran through the hospital grounds. About 15 years ago my family decided to have a picnic out there again, but couldn't find the spot, so we stopped on a back road that parallels Steilacoom Blvd. on the south side, before the entrance to the hospital, and stopped our cars next to an empty field. We got our chairs out and had a lovely picnic. Then some of the family walked through the field and found grave stones there, too. I don't remember that they were marked either. Does anyone know about that cemetery? We assumed that they were hospital graves at the time. Mary Ellen Forsberg Tacoma, Washington

This is a fun fact to share with people who say, "Oh, my aunt did our family history." HOW MANY RELATIVES DO YOU HAVE? YOU 2 parents 4 grandparents 8 great grandparents 16 gg grandparents 32 ggg grandparents 64 gggg grandparent 128 ggggg grandparents 256 gggggg grandparents 512 ggggggg grandparents 1,024 gggggggg grandparents 2,048 ggggggggg grandparents 4,096 gggggggggg grandparents 8,192 ggggggggggg grandparents 16,384 gggggggggggg grandparents 32,768 ggggggggggggg grandparents 65,536 gggggggggggggg grandparents 131,072 ggggggggggggggg grandparents 262,144 gggggggggggggggg grandparents 524,288 ggggggggggggggggg grandparents 1,048,576 gggggggggggggggggg grandparents 2,097,152 ggggggggggggggggggg grandparents 4,194,304 gggggggggggggggggggg grandparents

The pieces of cement with numbers on them that you saw are indeed grave markers. That is the hospital cemetery. Several years ago I went there with a friend who has a relative buried there. After several calls to the hospital, we were able to determine that the relative was indeed buried there and the person in the records department was kind enough to have a grounds person flag the appropriate grave marker (they only have numbers on them). It took us two trips there to find the cemetery. It's on flat ground below the hill the hospital stands on. We spotted it from standing on the hill by the old hospital. At that time it was surrounded by a hedge. Eunice Johnson

Maybe I'm dreaming,, but I was told once (or thought I was told) that the U of W experimental station out on Pioneer Ave was used as a poor farm for a time. Nora -- Mailto:Norahiatt@sprintmail.com Andrew Manar WHERE ARE YOU???? http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/i/a/Nora-Ann-Hiatt-WA/

Janet: Way to go in regard to the PC Poor Farm. Maxine

Wish I could attend, but since I live in Arizona .... I am considering joining your society since I was just able to locate an elusive relative with the help of one of your volunteers, Maxine Alexander, but will need help for further research. Since your fiscal year starts in May, would it be better to wait until then or do you prorate the annual fee? Brigitte, Tucson, Arizona

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Dear George, Just wanted all to know that the Pierce County Poor Farm records are with the Tacoma-Pierce County Genealogical Society. The extracting and publishing of these records will soon be started AFTER we finish the 1892 Pierce County Auditor's Census. That project should see its completion this year. To research a name from the Poor Farm, please go to T-PCGS' web page Family Line Research and follow the directions printing out the form, filling in your request, sending check and mailing to the Society. http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/famline.htm Good luck to all! Sincerely, Janet Baccus Puyallup, WA

Hi, Here's another story about an historic site with graveyard being threatened by industry. The message below was forwarded by Willi Waltrip, listowner of Clark-Champaign County Ohio list. Could someone send this to the cemetery activist list, as well? I don't think Willi is aware of that resource. Diane Mailto:dhettrick@earthlink.net -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- THE SECOND BATTLE OF BUFFINGTON ISLAND On July 19, 1863 Confederate forces under General John Hunt Morgan fought Union Infantry, Cavalry, Artillery and Navy Gunboats while attempting to cross the Ohio River at the Buffington Island ford at Portland in Meigs County, Ohio. After having traveled day and night in the saddle for over two weeks through southeastern Indiana and southern Ohio, the fight near Portland virtually ended what would become known as "Morgans Raid". Small as Civil War battles go, the Battle of Buffington Island was important for several reasons. It was one of only a few Civil War battles in which all branches of the Armed Forces were involved. There were at least two future United States Presidents engaged in the battle, (Rutherford B Hayes and William McKinley). Most important of all, the Battle of Buffington Island was the only Civil War battle fought in Ohio and ranks as one of only a few battles fought in the state involving Federal troops. Currently, another battle is being fought over the same ground. The Shelly Company of Thornville,Ohio is planning to strip sand and gravel from significant portions of the Battleground. Here in southeastern Ohio we have a battle site which is relatively pristine in its location and development which needs only to have the necessary recognition to make it a place of education and historical importance. Although there are twentieth century buildings present, the ground is relatively unchanged from what it was in 1863. The gravel companys latest proposal offered to set aside a few acres of the land and $100,000 as an appeasement to the public. In return, the public is reportedly required to drop all litigation or the monies will be used for the companys legal defense.The offer was reduced to $ 10,000 and is now completely off the table !! No less than 52 Confederate dead were buried on the site by local residents after the battle and lie today in unmarked graves. Besides significantly altering the topography of the ground itself by the stripping process, the Shelly Company may very well mine the very bones of the soldiers buried there !!!! On February 18,1999, the Army Corps of Engineers, in conjunction with the EPA will be holding a meeting in Pomeroy with all parties involved to address permits for the mining and shipping of the gravel from the site. Write your Senators and Representatives to Congress in order to push for Federal Recognition of the site. One avenue may exist through the Department of the Interior. Contact Mr. Amos Loveday of the Ohio Historical Society Preservation Office and the Army Corps of Engineers (Huntington Office) urge them not to compromise our heritage for a few acres of land. The battlefield and burial sites need to be saved! Call or write today: Amos J. Loveday - Ohio Historical Society Preservation Office e-mail: ajloveday@aol.com 1-800-297-2470 or (614) 297-2470 567 E. Hudson St./Columbus, Ohio 43211 Army Corps of Engineers (Huntington Dept): Attn. James Richmond - e-mail: jimr@mail.orh.usace.army.mil Army Corps of Engineers (Huntington Dept): Attn. Michael Gheen e-mail: mikeg@mail.orh.usace.army.mil 502 Eighth Street, Huntington, WV 25701 Ohio Dept. of Natural Resources Donald Anderson, Director e-mail: Don.Anderson@dnr.state.oh.us Fountain Square, 1930 Belcher Dr., Bldg. D-3, Columbus, OH 43224 Write your Senators: c/o U.S. Senate, Washington DC 20510 Your Congressman: c/o House of Representatives, Washington DC 20515. Or join the Buffington Island Battlefield Trust, a non-profit umbrella organization dedicated to the preservation of the battlefield and burial grounds of Morgan's Men. For more details, please contact: Marlitta H. Perkins cchase6@hotmail.com Tony Ten-Barge Tony.TenBarge@alliedsignal.com Whatever you do, please do not forsake these brave Kentucky boys that fought so bravely and died for their beliefs, and for us, their descendants, and sadly lie buried far from their homes in Kentucky. It is our responsibility to care for them and see to it that their resting places are honored and treated with respect and reverence. Lets not turn our backs on them! Please share your thoughts/comments/suggestions with me. For our heritage !! Marlitta H. Perkins Spokes person, KY DIV SCV & Morgan's Men Association Officer, Buffington Island Battlefield Trust

Hi Dick, I did a web search on www.37.com and got the Tacoma Pierce County Genealogical Society, mother of this list. According to their web site, there is information which will be published soon about the Poor Farms. http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/pubs.htm Coming Soon: Pierce County Poor Farm Records (1930's) 1892 Pierce County Auditor's Census Death Records - Early to 1907 (Revised with many new records) Oakwood Cemetery Records (Revised and updated) Eastern Pierce County Cemeteries Gig Harbor-Peninsula Cemeteries (Revised and updated Sessions Funeral Home Records South Pierce County Cemeteries Western Pierce County Cemeteries (All new, never published) Diane dhettrick@earthlink.net Dick Schweiss wrote: > > Hi All, > > Several months ago, I posted to this list, asking about the old Pierce > County Farm. > > I am unable to find anything on it, other than it did exist ... in the > SUMNER area. > > Does anyone have anything on this? > > Thanks > > Dick S. > > -- > RESEARCHING: SCHWEISS, MEIER, SCHMITT, MEHLTRATER, STADTHER > Also be sure to see these: > My Home Page .... > http://members.tripod.com/~Swamp_Indian/index.html > GenServ Genealogy System ... http://www.genserv.com > > Millenia Corp. "Legacy Family Tree" ... http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/

The PCPF is situated where Riverside Drive and 78th Street intersect which is souuth and east of Sumner about 1/2 mile. The only standing structure, now, is what was once the "inmates" residence and a caretaker's building. There was to the northwest and on the intersection corner a large old house whic I assume was for the manager of the farm. It was on a bit of land that is seperated from the resident building by a small stream. The resident building is being used by a company that does some kind of work on sterilization chambers. It sits next door to the Puget Sound Bulb Exchange. The building was used for a short time as a rehab center for alcoholism and may have also been used to house juvenile offenders. Several years ago a group from a church in Tacoma looked into starting some sort of facility there, as well, but nothing ever came of it. The Sumner Historical Society may have some info on it. Here is what I have located on the subject in my collections: Reference - History of Pierce County" By Bonney The land on which the farm was located was originally purchased by W. P. Wood. In 1886 he purchased 76 acres of land on the river two miles southeast of Sumner where he raised hops for two years and then sold the land to Pierce County to be used as the county poor farm. Reference - Ilustrated History of the State of Washington - Hines In February 1893 the farm was under the leadership of Alfred J. Clode who was appointed to oversee its operations. It consisted of 78 acres of which 50 were under cultivation and all of the products were provided by the land for the maintenance of the inmates residing there. Though I don't have the date for the article I assume that it must have been about 1893-95. There were 30 inmates at the time, men, women and children. The farm was said to be in prosperous condition. Reference series of articles written by Dr. J.H. Corliss in 1949 - Clode served as Superintendant of the farm until 1894 and retired. He was replaced by Grant Bartholemew. At the writing of the article the farm was named the Riverside Infirmary. Reference - Sumner Standard 3/23/44 The County Commissioners decided to sell the county farm not including the infirmary nor would it disturb the U.S. Bulb Laboratory. 4/27/44 The farm land was bought by Ed Orton "at $430 the acre". 5/4/44 56.92 acres of land were sold as well as farm machinery. Total proceeds of the "successful" auction were $32,743. The site of the Pierce County Infirmary and the U.S.Laboratory were not included in the sale. The Infirmary was to continue to be operated by the State Department of Social Security. Sorry, just bits and snatches. George Lowe carolynp@m5.sprynet.com wrote: > Sorry for the delay, but your request did not go unnoticed. > > Several Years ago, Heritage Quest Research Library attempted to acquire the > Sumner Poor Farm as a permanent home for the library's collection. Since so > much research was done at that time, I contacted the previous director to answer > Dick's question. Wish I had better news. > >From Ginger: > "He's not going to like the answer! I couldn't find any at the state, county or > Sumner level! Everyone told me to contact someone else...that they didn't > have the records, if there were any. I talked to a lady (since passed away) that > was a supervisor when it was a nursing home and she didn't know about any > records from before. I couldn't even find enough records of proof to > help get it put on the historic registers. Sorry!" > Ginger > > Very Sad, it's a neat old building. > Carolyn > Director > Heritage Quest Research Library

George, Where is the old Cemetery on the grounds? I spent a lot of time scouring the area. All I found were two markers for former residents of the hospital scattered around. As you drive toward the lake, across from the old barns there is a shed by itself. The graves are just beyond that. I saw a bunch of sqared pieces of cement with number on them. I just assumed those were unmarked graves of other residents. Nora -- Mailto:Norahiatt@sprintmail.com Andrew Manar WHERE ARE YOU???? http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/i/a/Nora-Ann-Hiatt-WA/

Carolyn, It seems when I was in high school in Sumner, the Old County Poor Farm (we *are* talking about one on Riverside Drive aren't we?) was being run by the county as a sort of juvenile detention center. Might some place like Remann Hall have some info? ~Maudeen Maudeen@bainbridge.net Book Reviewer -www.Amazon.com Book Reviwer www.affairedecoeur.com Columnist/Contributor http://www.booksquare.com/subversion/ Under the Covers http://www.silcom.com/~manatee/utc.html Genealogy surnames: WEATHERLY, INMAN, NEELING, CAMERON, SWIFT, CHASE, HAUSER, ARNEY, ROARK, BLAIR, CRAWFORD, PURCELL, HAZLETT, HAISCH, WIPF, MILLIGAN, Locations: Guilford Co, NC, Owen Co., IN, Marshall Co., IA, Medina Co., OH, Kossuth Co., IA, Cecil Co., MD, Chester CO., PA Washington Co., PA, Clayton Co., IA, Warren Co., NJ, Luzerne Co., PA -----Original Message----- From: carolynp@m5.sprynet.com <carolynp@m5.sprynet.com> To: PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com <PSRoots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 4:24 PM Subject: PIERCE COUNTY (POOR) FARM >Sorry for the delay, but your request did not go unnoticed. > >Several Years ago, Heritage Quest Research Library attempted to acquire the >Sumner Poor Farm as a permanent home for the library's collection. Since so >much research was done at that time, I contacted the previous director to answer >Dick's question. Wish I had better news. >From Ginger: >"He's not going to like the answer! I couldn't find any at the state, county or >Sumner level! Everyone told me to contact someone else...that they didn't >have the records, if there were any. I talked to a lady (since passed away) that >was a supervisor when it was a nursing home and she didn't know about any >records from before. I couldn't even find enough records of proof to >help get it put on the historic registers. Sorry!" >Ginger > >Very Sad, it's a neat old building. >Carolyn >Director >Heritage Quest Research Library >

Hi all - The Tacoma-Pierce County Genealogical Society's monthly meeting will be Tuesday, February 9th beginning at 6:30 pm. Our topic will be: Publishing Your Family History - Online and Offline by Myra Vanderpool Gormley, C.G. Today, the definition of "publishing" covers each the following media: books, newsletters, articles, columns, magazine queries, web pages, e-mail to anyone/anywhere, CD-ROMs, submissions to a database (IGI, Ancestral File, World Family Tree, etc.), and e-mail to newsgroups or mailing lists. This talk will cover the various issues you should consider when you choose to publish or permit your work to be published. From showing respect for the privacy of others to respecting the work created by others, a responsible, published genealogist is a reliable, trustworthy genealogist. We always have cookies and treats at our meetings. Our venue is the Olympic Room at the Tacoma Public Library, 1102 Tacoma Avenue South, Tacoma, Washington. See http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/meetings.htm for an online map and driving directions to the Library. Guests are always welcome at the TPCGS monthly meetings. You need not be a member to attend our free monthly meetings. See you there. Cheers - Mark -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ markhow@oz.net

Sorry for the delay, but your request did not go unnoticed. Several Years ago, Heritage Quest Research Library attempted to acquire the Sumner Poor Farm as a permanent home for the library's collection. Since so much research was done at that time, I contacted the previous director to answer Dick's question. Wish I had better news. >From Ginger: "He's not going to like the answer! I couldn't find any at the state, county or Sumner level! Everyone told me to contact someone else...that they didn't have the records, if there were any. I talked to a lady (since passed away) that was a supervisor when it was a nursing home and she didn't know about any records from before. I couldn't even find enough records of proof to help get it put on the historic registers. Sorry!" Ginger Very Sad, it's a neat old building. Carolyn Director Heritage Quest Research Library

Folks - I'm passing this on for a non-subscriber. Please be sure to reply to the list AND to the person who sent the message. Hopefully this will encourage them to subscribe to the list in order to participate in future conversations. Thanks, Cyndi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thomas Harmer was born in Hastings, England, poss. 1852, died in Tacoma c. 1930. Married Anna Newton in Grand Rapids, MI c. 1900, migrated to Tacoma c. 1901. Anna Newton was born in Michigan? in the 1870's or 80's. Are there any definite dates available in Pierce County. They may have been living in Puyallup at the time of the 1910 census. Thank you. Bill Hershey dogtrey@aol.com