Bill Hoeft - I am so glad you wrote out what I have been trying to tell people for years, after hearing story after story after story - "My mother wouldn't lie", Uncle Louie ought to know, he came from there" or "it was in a newspaper article" or "grandma wrote it in her Bible". This is compounded by people who do not look into the history or geography or chronology of events their ancestors may have been involved in, ignore the languages altogether because they're "too hard" - and worsened by the fact that many people today want instant Internet families, proven or not. There's good reason I always (ALWAYS) go to the documents and books first and seek primary sources over secondary ones. There is another set of second-class citizens - that is the females, in pretty much every culture, and ongoing. The price is high, and permanent. Thanks! Maureen Schoenky ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.