The Jacob Kunz family is residing in Milwaukee in 1920. I will send the image to your home e-mail. Milwaukee, Ward 16, Milwaukee Co., Wisconsin District 185 January 5, 1920 SD 4 ED 186 Sheet 4B 2711 Grand Avenue Jacob J. Kunz age 51, born in Wisconsin, parents born - father unknown and mother states Moerel? he is a barber Bertha, wife age 52, came to America in what appears to be 1885 but states she became a citizen in 1890, born in Shiefelbein, Germany, her parents born in the same place Arthur E. son age 28 born in Wisconsin, parents born Wisconsin and Schiefelbein, he is a locomotive machinist for the railroad Ziebell, John D., brother in law age 54, came to America in 1891 and became a citizen in 1912, also born in Shiefelbein Germany, his parents born in the same place, a blacksmith for the railroad I know Shiefelbein is spelled wrong in this census. 1895 Wisconsin State Census Milwaukee, Milwaukee Co., WI Ward 9 Kunz, Jacob, 2 males and 3 females, 3 born in the US and two born in Germany 1905 Wisconsin State Census Milwaukee, Milwaukee Co., WI 3rd Precinct 16th Ward June 1, 1905 Sheet 10 Page 4673 Kunz Jacob J. head age 37 married born in Wisconsin parents born in Germany master barber Bertha wife age 37 married born in Germany, parents born Germany Arthur son age 13 born in Wisconsin father in Wis and mother in Germ Hilda daughter age 11 born Wisconsin parents born in Wisconsin (error here) Ziebell, Catharine, mother in law age 82 a widow born Germany as were her parents Also in Milwaukee in 1905 2nd precinct, 15th ward, June 1, 1905 This came up on a soundex for Ziebill. It is spelled Zebel on the census. However, the age fits in. So, now there is Catharine and Caroline for 1905 making it a little confusing. Zebel, Caroline, head, age 81, widowed, born in Germany, parents born in Germany, There is a World War I draft registration card for Arthur Emil John Kunz, born July 30, 1891 in Milwaukee. He is residing at 2711 Grand Ave., Milwaukee and works as a machinist with the C.M. and St. R.R.R. and is single. Signed June 2, 1917. There is also a World War I draft registration card for a John Kunz who is residing in Antigo, Wisconsin. I cannot state that this is the son of Jacob and Bertha. He was born in America January 4, 1887. He is working for the railroad. He is married. If you would like this image let me know. Birth record - Jacob Kunz born Milwaukee Co. 30 January 1868. Record 0138-001621 Marriage record - Indexed as Jas Kumz and Bertha Ziebell. Married 8 October 1890 in Milwaukee Co. Volume 22, page 0324 I can look these above two records up at the state library. It seems likely that Caroline Siebel, etc. would have died in Milwaukee. As mentioned I will check the city directories. I would not hesitate to write to Milwaukee County for a death certificate, listing both spellings of the surname. The time period would be between the 1910 and the 1920 census. Once a date is established I could check the Milwaukee newspapers for an obit. With a city as large as Milwaukee the obits are not as detailed as the ones in the small towns. I live just outside of Madison, Wisconsin. When I am at the state historical society the next time I can check the Milwaukee city directories. I have located dates of death more than one time of people when I was doing research. The library is on the UW-Madison campus and has shortened hours between semesters. The summer session begins June 16th and I hope to get there after that. Good luck. Sandie in Wisconsin ----- Original Message ----- From: "101heath" <101heath@comcast.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Schiffelbein ? Caroline Ziebell > Dieter, > > I appreciate any help, believe me. I am piecing my entire Prussian > ancestry from about 10 small photos and 3 postcards sent back to > Germany by my grandmother (Bertha Elfrieda Dora Ziebell) who came > over in 1904. She never spoke of her family to anyone. Here's what > I've been able to piece together: > > Caroline___b. 1822/24 married circa 1840-42 ____Ziebell. Caroline > Ziebell (my great grandmother) was widowed by 1892. She boarded the > Steamship Gerg as a '68 yr old widow' alone and it arrived in > Baltimore, MD May 19, 1892. Several passengers on that steamship said > their last place of residence was 'Schiffelbein, Germany' and she was > one of them. She next shows up in the 1900 census in the household of > Jacob J. Kunz in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (only now she's spelling > Ziebell as Siebel). She is last found at age 88 in 1910 census in > same household. I have not found her grave. I have also been unable > to find out where this household went in 1920. They disappear off the > planet. > > Caroline Ziebell b.ca. 1822/24 stated she had had 5 children, 5 > living and had been married 50 yrs before becoming widowed. I can > account for three children: > 1. Albert Carl Wilhelm Ziebell b. unknown married Auguste Wilhelmina > Sophie Friedericke Dahn and had 5 children. They were living in > Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein and did not emigrate. (This is who the few > postcards were mailed to). > a) Bruno Max Albert Ziebell b.unknown d. 13 Dec 1944 in WWII air > raid on Hamburg. > No issue. > b) Willie Ziebell b. unknown d. WWI period 1914-1918. No issue. > c) Ella Ziebell b. 27 Mar 1885 Prussia d. 1 June 1965 Chicago, Cook > Co. IL. Emigrated aboard SS Pennsylvania which left Hamburg 11 Mar > 1904, arrived Port of New York 27 Mar 1904. Never married, no issue. > d) Bertha Elfrieda Dora Ziebell b. 26 Apr 1886 Prussia d. 18 Nov > 1964 Torrance, CA. > Emigrated aboard SS Pennsylvania which left Hamburg 11 Mar > 1904, arrived Port of New York 27 Mar 1904. Married and divorced. > 5 kids. > e) Paul Willie Albert Robert Ziebell b. 17 Sept 1887 Prussia d. 10 > Mar 1954 Schleswig, Germany. Paul Ziebell never married but was > said to have been mayor of a town. Addresses used for him on > postcards were Gaarden, Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Deutschland. > 2. Bertha M. Ziebell b. Oct 1866 Prussia m.ca. 1890 Jacob J. Kunz b. > Jan 1867 Wisconsin. Bertha M. Ziebell stated she emigrated in > 1883.They were living in Milwaukee, WI in 1900 and 1910. He was a > barber. I cannot find them in 1920 or 1930 but they were young, so > they had to have been somewhere. They had 2 children by 1910: > a) Arthur Kunz b. July 1891 Wisconsin > b) Hilda Kunz b. Oct 1894 Wisconsin > 3. David J. Ziebell b.ca. 1864 Prussia. Found living in 1910 > household of Jacob J. Kunz with his mother Caroline Ziebell, > widowed. Working as coachman for a private family in Milwaukee WI. > Stated he emigrated in 1890. I cannot find him after the 1910 census. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >