---- prussia-roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: unsubscribe > ***IMPORTANT*** > When replying to a digest message, DO NOT just hit Reply (which will send the entire digest back to the list). Remove all text (the rest of the digest) leaving only the specific message to which you are replying. > > Also IMPORTANT, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > Failure to do so will result in a change of your subscription from digest to single message mode. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Slavic DNA (annwicki@aol.com) > 2. Re: Schiffelbein ? Caroline Ziebell (101heath) > 3. Re: Johann Nicholas Fuchs (Karl Roussin) > 4. Research Questions In East Prussia (Chuck & Grace Glass) > 5. women alone (Carol M. Duff) > 6. Re: New to list (Ann Bradford) > 7. Re: Research Questions In East Prussia (gensearcher@att.net) > 8. Re: Johann Nicholas Fuchs (dgamal@aol.com) > 9. German - Polish name changes (R. Lipprandt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:44:58 -0400 > From: annwicki@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Slavic DNA > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8C978037BFCAB61-1AE0-E5FE@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bill: > > I find your emails of great interest.? When I read them I feel like I in school.? Love it. > > Ann > > > ? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jetski <jetski@grics.net> > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:44 am > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Slavic DNA > > > > Your problem is not as unique as you might think especially when people have > ad to come to grips with being slavic or not. In many circles throughout > he world, being slavic equates to being a second class person, which of > ourse is wrong. This idea is offensive to all Polish people and to > ussians and to those who are part of eastern Europe. > Germans had a real problems with Slavic people, as did the Prussians, they > oo being Germanic, heneforth your relatives claimed Prussian or German to > ive them a higher standing in the world. This issue is something akin to > hite verses black. > ithuania people are for the most part slavic as well, and they also have a > arge Jewish contingent. > The Three Stooges were Lituania Jews. Charles Bronson was Slavic. Thrown > n the mix of all this are the gypies. Ule Brenner was gypy or as their > ace is properly known as ROM. > When people migrated they saw a chance to change their lives for what they > elt would be for the betterment of themselves and their offspring. This is > nother reason why so many of (the old ones) remained silent. They chose to > emain silent to change the past. > > s for those German speaking people, I am not sure, other than the Tutonic > nights brought Christianity to the Germanic tribes and the Tutonic Knights > ere Germans who worked for the Catholic Church. > I hope I haven't run on to the point of boring anyone, but I have always > ound this subject of great interest, especially since my people come from > hat area. It becomes very personal. > Bill Hoeft > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:59:00 -0700 > From: 101heath <101heath@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Schiffelbein ? Caroline Ziebell > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <5B83CE83-5CA4-423B-8E1C-943437837A7C@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Didn't think that small phrase would cause a stir. What I meant was > my Ziebell family would not have allowed her to...not that the ship > wouldn't allow itl! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:28:28 -0500 > From: "Karl Roussin" <kroussin@fidnet.com> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Nicholas Fuchs > To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003201c7a9f2$6e7e4fe0$8588fb40@kroussin> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Ellie > If You search for some records in the U.S.A. , then check out the link > > http://www.loricase.com/CDs/cdlist.html > > They want You to use Their FFI ( Family Finders Index ) section , before > You e-mail a volunteer for a free lookup. > > Note ; there are a lot of CDs info in that site , so after You check out > the FFI , check ALL of the CDs for the info that You need > > Karl Roussin > ==================================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ellie Depew" <SraEllie@carolina.rr.com> > To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:38 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Nicholas Fuchs > > > > Johann Nicholas Fuchs, son of Frederick Adam Fuchs, was born Aug. 28, > > 1821, and emigrated to New York via the ship /Florida /in June 1842. In > > 1850, he was living in Milwaukee--the census records him as John--with > > his wife Margaret (born 1826) and three children, born 1845-1849 in New > > York. By 1860, he had married Catherine Koch (born Dec 27 1838). Their > > oldest child was born Sep. 17, 1862. > > > > Johann's naturalization papers record him as renouncing allegiance to > > King Ludwig of Prussia. The only Frederick Adam Fuchs I have been able > > to find was born in Eckweiler, Prussia, in 1780. Wisconsin records and > > church records yielded only his father's name. The LDS church records > > for that site stop at 1800, so I have been unable to verify that this is > > our family. Still, the naming patterns fit. > > > > All this is prelude to my questions: > > 1. Where does New York store its marriage records for the years > > 1842-1845? > > 2. If the city of Milwaukee shows no marriage records for John & > > Catherine, is there a state repository for Wisconsin > > marriages during the 1850's? (I realize that it is possible that they > > married in Northern Illinois or Indiana.) > > 3. How does one find a reliable genealogist in Germany to verify > > the church records I have found through FamilySearch? Or > > is there another source I may have missed? > > > > I am aware that, if I can find the marriage records I need, they may > > well yield the information I seek, and I am hoping that such is the > > case. However, I have been stonewalled so often with Johann that I'm > > asking the Prussia question as well. > > > > Ellie Depew > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:42:31 -0500 > From: "Chuck & Grace Glass" <cgglass@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Research Questions In East Prussia > To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <200706081729.l58HTRGp018541@mail.rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I hope I don't lose any readers of this e-mail due to its length. I'll > highlight my main questions in bullet points at the end. > > > > My focus is in finding the birth record and parents of my great-great > grandmother, Maria Louisa Teddick, born June 29, 1818. I have had very good > success researching her husband Hugo Glass's ancestors through the LDS > church records of Braunsberg, Ostpreussen, but I'm stuck on my Teddick, > Tidig, Theidich, Tydyck, Theidigk etc family. My great-grandfather Franz > Glass, was born April 10, 1849 in Gross Kronau (now Kronowo, Poland) and his > birth is registered at Gross Lemkendorf (now Lamkowo, Poland), but, none of > his mother's family appears in the church records. One of the god parents > on his christening certificate is a Franz Tydyck and I wonder if that may > have been Maria Louisa's brother. I have found another researcher who has > conducted casual research of Tydick families in the same area and he found > that in Kiwitten there is a marriage record for 33-year-old Franz Thiedigk > who married a Theresia Grunert in 1854. Again, this could be the same Franz > Tydyck and puts him at the right age to be Maria Louisa's brother. The > marriage record indicates that this Franz Thiedigk originated from Lokau, a > small village that belonged to the parish of Seeburg, and I'm told that > Lokau is only 10 km from Gross Lemkendorf. > > > > Again, there are no baptismal records for Maria Louisa in Kiwitten for the > years before and after her birth (June 29, 1818) and the Catholic records > for Seeburg only cover the years 1876-1947. Protestant records for that > town begin only in 1824, but I have ordered the film and will see if a > marriage record for Maria Louisa and her husband Hugo Glass exists. > > She, Hugo and their son Franz Glass left Germany via Hamburg, on September > 2, 1850 and arrived in Galveston, Texas on November 13, 1850. I have > searched through LDS films for birth records in many parishes in East > Prussia and am now honing in on the Gross Lemkendorf / Seeburg / Kiwitten > area in general as my focus. > > > > Now for my questions: > > > > 1. One of the ladies and the local LDS library tells me many Polish > churches refused to allow their records to be filmed. Is there any way to > find if Catholic records for places such as Seeburg exist but for some > reason the LDS church may never have filmed them? If so, how would I find > where they are and if it's possible to have someone research them? Is there > a Polish church book repository and would they have German records? > 2. I believe that for the most part, many of the East and West Prussian > church records were taken to a Catholic church book archive in Munich as the > Russians were advancing into the area during WW II. The Tydyck researcher I > mentioned earlier says he believes German church records are being > repatriated to their original parishes now in Poland. If this is true, is > there a way to look up the Polish parishes to find their addresses? Were > Protestant church records also evacuated from that territory as the Catholic > church records were and do we know where they may have been reposted? > 3. In the LDS locality index, I find references for church records, and > underneath where I usually find whether they are Katholiche or Evangelische, > instead it will say, for instance, "Preussen Armee, Dragoner Regiment 06" > and list birth, marriage and death records. What exactly is this? Were > these churches on Prussian army bases for families to register their births > and such? > > > > I will be happy to receive any suggestions at all that any of you may have. > Thank you all for your help. > > > > Chuck Glass > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:47:51 -0700 > From: "Carol M. Duff" <duffc@redwing.net> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] women alone > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4669B267.7070505@redwing.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Julia, > My great-grandmother came alone with the children. > My grandmother and her siblings came alone with her grandmother. > Many females in my family came alone. > Sometimes there was a cousin on the same ship. > Sometimes there were already family here...cousins, etc. > Carol > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:33:19 -0400 > From: Ann Bradford <genie@iwaynet.net> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] New to list > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4669A0EF.8030807@iwaynet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Arthur Strubel wrote: > > >Hi, I am new to this list. > >My Surnames are STRUBEL,FURI-FUHRY,HUMMEL,HOPSON,BURG,FRUECHTE AND LAMPING. > >Of these ancestors-LAMPING and FRUECHTE are from Prussia. > >My great grandfather Heinrich FRUECHTE 1818-1881 > > Was from Leeden, Prussia, and my great grandmother-Maria LAMPING 1829-1876 was from Lotte. > > > >Both died in St. Louis, Missouri. > >If anybody has any information on these two-your help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, Art > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > Hello Arthur, > I saw your e-mail mentioning the Lamping surname. I called my > friend Ed Lamping & he does have some history of his Lamping family. He > lives in Powell, OH. His e-mail is lamplites@aol.com. He said he'd > look for your e-mail > Ann Bradford > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:22:47 +0000 > From: gensearcher@att.net > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Research Questions In East Prussia > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com, <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <060820072022.17416.4669BA960001545E0000440821603760219D0A080C9D0E0A9C020A09@att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Chuck: Regarding your questions, there is no short, concise answer. If Seeburg Catholic records don't start until 1876, it is a good possibility the town was part of another parish prior to 1876. As for German church books being returned to their original parishes in Poland, most German parishes in Poland no longer exist. The books remain deposited in various archives. There are German books as well as Polish books in Polish archives but the main repository for protestant records, I believe is the Evangelical Church archive in Berlin. During the war there was no one place the books were taken to. Some were even hidden in salt mines. Many were lost or destroyed. I'm sure there are other listers out there who probably have more precise knowledge. I'm just basing my answer on my own experiences and readings. Sheila K. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:23:37 -0400 > From: dgamal@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Nicholas Fuchs > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8C9782207F0CDDE-1194-10079@webmail-db10.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Ellie,? for pre-1907 records, try the Wisconsin Historical Society on line at? www.wisconsinhistory.org > > If you don't find anything under their genealogy records, I also have the name of a paid researcher that I have used for finding records in SE Wisconsin. > > Della Gamalski,? also with E. Prussian and Polish relatives that I can not find. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ellie Depew <SraEllie@carolina.rr.com> > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 1:38 pm > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Johann Nicholas Fuchs > > > > Johann Nicholas Fuchs, son of Frederick Adam Fuchs, was born Aug. 28, > 821, and emigrated to New York via the ship /Florida /in June 1842. In > 850, he was living in Milwaukee--the census records him as John--with > is wife Margaret (born 1826) and three children, born 1845-1849 in New > ork. By 1860, he had married Catherine Koch (born Dec 27 1838). Their > ldest child was born Sep. 17, 1862. > Johann's naturalization papers record him as renouncing allegiance to > ing Ludwig of Prussia. The only Frederick Adam Fuchs I have been able > o find was born in Eckweiler, Prussia, in 1780. Wisconsin records and > hurch records yielded only his father's name. The LDS church records > or that site stop at 1800, so I have been unable to verify that this is > ur family. Still, the naming patterns fit. > All this is prelude to my questions: > 1. Where does New York store its marriage records for the years > 842-1845? > 2. If the city of Milwaukee shows no marriage records for John & > atherine, is there a state repository for Wisconsin > arriages during the 1850's? (I realize that it is possible that they > arried in Northern Illinois or Indiana.) > 3. How does one find a reliable genealogist in Germany to verify > he church records I have found through FamilySearch? Or > s there another source I may have missed? > I am aware that, if I can find the marriage records I need, they may > ell yield the information I seek, and I am hoping that such is the > ase. However, I have been stonewalled so often with Johann that I'm > sking the Prussia question as well. > Ellie Depew > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > he message > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:51:25 -0400 > From: "R. Lipprandt" <rloss@bellsouth.net> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] German - Polish name changes > To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003101c7aa17$291c9fe0$0302a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > The following may be of interest to some of you: > > Script, Old German (view only) > http://www.tr62.de/script/default.html > > Town Locators - Name Changes, German to Polish > http://www.atsnotes.com/other/gerpol.html > > The name city/village name changes above does not include the part of > Ostpreussen (East Prussia) that is now the Russian Oblast (??) Got another > link for those changes somewhere... > > Carol... is the Volhynia that you mentioned part of the Germans to Russia > (Ukraine) and then back to Germany or the US?? > > Somewhere in my files, I have an online group that hold many assets and > information sources of the people that migrated to America and settled in > the heartland North to Canada (Russian Germans). Will send that along when > I can find it... again! > > Regards, Rollo+~~ > =============== > > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] German only > > > > Rollo, > > My grandmother's family also would not admit to anything other that > > German and living in Prussia, until the St. Petersburg archives > > identified births in Volhynia. When I asked them about the first birth > > record that I found, they said, "No, our family has not lived outside of > > Prussia." Finally, after the 3rd birth record they admitted that it > > truly was their family. My grandmother, Minna Schumann, supposedly was > > born in 1892 in Eichfier, West Prussia. I still have not found her > > birth record, but then SLC does not have all the birth records from > > there. I realize also that Minna may not be the recorded name as another > > grandmother, Amelia, was found to have the birth name of Regina > > Wilhelmine Emelie. Carol > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the PRUSSIA-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the PRUSSIA-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of PRUSSIA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 185 > *********************************************