Bill Hoeft, Just a slight correction. Lithuanians and Latvians are not Slavic peoples. They, along with the ancient non-Germanic Prussians (as opposed to the modern Germanic Prussians), are people of the ethnic and linguistic group known as "Baltic", definitely not Slavic. Poles, Czechs, Russians, Ukrainians, Slovaks, Slovenians, Croats, Ukrainians, Belorusians, Bulgarians, Kashubes, Wends, Sorbs, Ruthenians, for example, are Slavs. Among other Central European people who are not Slavs are Hungarians, Finns, Estonians, and of course, Germans. And as far as Slavs being lower on the social pecking order than other peoples, that's only an opinion. Definitely not shared by many Poles, especially, most of whom are extremely proud of their Slavic heritage. Ed Richter ----- Original Message ----- From: "jetski" <jetski@grics.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Slavic DNA > Your problem is not as unique as you might think especially when people have > had to come to grips with being slavic or not. In many circles throughout > the world, being slavic equates to being a second class person, which of > course is wrong. This idea is offensive to all Polish people and to > Russians and to those who are part of eastern Europe. > > Germans had a real problems with Slavic people, as did the Prussians, they > too being Germanic, heneforth your relatives claimed Prussian or German to > give them a higher standing in the world. This issue is something akin to > white verses black. > Lithuania people are for the most part slavic as well, and they also have a > large Jewish contingent. > > The Three Stooges were Lituania Jews. Charles Bronson was Slavic. Thrown > in the mix of all this are the gypies. Ule Brenner was gypy or as their > race is properly known as ROM. > > When people migrated they saw a chance to change their lives for what they > felt would be for the betterment of themselves and their offspring. This is > another reason why so many of (the old ones) remained silent. They chose to > remain silent to change the past. > > > as for those German speaking people, I am not sure, other than the Tutonic > Knights brought Christianity to the Germanic tribes and the Tutonic Knights > were Germans who worked for the Catholic Church. > > I hope I haven't run on to the point of boring anyone, but I have always > found this subject of great interest, especially since my people come from > that area. It becomes very personal. > > Bill Hoeft > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R. Lipprandt" <rloss@bellsouth.net> > To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:39 AM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Slavic DNA > > > > Is this from the same group of individuals that will register your DNA (In > > Phoenix, AZ, I believe) in regards to linking to ancestors etc.?? Forgive > > me as I do not have the name of the DNA group on hand. > > > > The reason for my question is my mothers family (Obschernings) migrated > > from > > Litauen (Lithuania) to Ostpreussen (East Prussia) due to religious > > freedoms. > > My research of the surname Obschernings entomology has it as partly > > Russian > > and Slavic was also mentioned. > > > > But... when my mother was still alive, she would not hear of her ancestors > > being anything other than Prussian and after 1871, as German! > > > > Also read at one time that the original ethnic Prussians (before > > Christianization were linked to Lithuanians and Northern Pole's) were run > > over by a band of Germanic speaking people, who later became the crusaders > > and declared themselves as Prussians. Not sure just how true that is or > > the > > exact sequence of events. > > > > Thank you Bill, I do appreciate the Slavic DNA answer. > > > > Regards, Rollo+~~ > > ==================== > > > > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Slavic DNA > > > > > >> Well, in its simplest form, all Slavic people contain a certain piece > >> of > >> DNA marker in their make up that people from other races do not. > >> > >> The people that study DNA can't explain why Slavic's DNA is different, > >> but > >> they are, and that is what makes Slavic people a race as opposed to being > >> just a group of people. > >> > >> Here is the same explanation in technical terms. > >> Two main subgroups of Haplogroup I (Y-DNA) are I-M253/I-M307/I-P30/I-P40 > >> which has highest frequency in Scandinavia, Iceland, and northwest > >> Europe. > >> The other is I-S31 which includes I-P37.2, which is the most common form > >> in > >> the Balkans and Sardinia, and I-S23/I-S30/I-S32/I-S33, which reaches its > >> highest frequency along the northwest coast of continental Europe. > >> > >> I hope this may help your search. Bill Heoft > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 6/7/2007 > > 2:21 PM > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message