Hello Karl I searched again with those birthdates , and found ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ---- CARL OSTEN Male ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ---- Event(s): Birth: 16 JAN 1847 Christening: 13 FEB 1847 Evangelisch, Langenberg Rheinland, Rheinland, Preussen Death: Burial: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ---- Parents: Father: CHRISTIAN WILHELM OSTEN Family Mother: CHRISTINA WILHELMINA KRUEDENSCHEID This may be Your Carl Osten, however the record does not have His complete given names. Some times the first names are dropped after baptism , and They use onl= y one given name. So You may want to check the LDS films of this town of Langenberg also. To order the films , go to the nearest Latter Day Saints Church . Their library are usually in a part of the church building , and order the films. Here in the U.S.A. the Church is listed in the phone book as " Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints " Karl Roussin