Sue, You're not ready to delve into German records yet. You need more information. Your next step is to track down this "Byane" that's listed as the birthplace on the census. I'm guessing that's a potentially terrible mis-spelling by the census taker. When you do get a better idea of it, go to the nearest genealogy library or LDS Family History Center and look up the place name in "Meyer's Orts." If you find it in Meyer's Orts, you've got a correct place name and can find out where the records (both church and civil) were kept (<-- Meyer's Orts will tell you that, too). Again, before you go jumping into German records, find out the birthdate and either the parent's names or sibling's names for your immigrant ancestor. These can be found 90% of the time in the records of the immigrant's new country. This information will be used to identify if you have the correct person in German records, as well as to confirm it's the correct family. Trying to jump into foreign records too quickly, although tempting when a little info is found, is one of the biggest mistakes (and wastes of time) that genealogists make. Arm yourself with the correct place name, date of birth, and names of parents and/or siblings, and your task will be infinitely easier (and much more likely successful) when you do go into German records. Good luck, LGO -----Original Message----- >From: Okla1915@aol.com >Sent: Apr 14, 2007 11:04 AM >To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ROSENHAUER FAMILY > >Hi, I'm having real problems with my Rosenhauer family who came from >Germany. Below is what I have and really not sure where to go next. > >1860 Census Dupage Co. ILL >John Rosenhauer, Find the surname spelled many different way's >John- Age 56-Born Byane >Betsey- Age 49-Born Byane >Charles- Age 20 >William- Age 19 >George- Age 13 >Says in the 1860 census all children were born in Byane, not sure if the >place of birth is spelled right, but Byane is how it was spelled in the census. >John had another son George, he married Anna ? where unknown, there 1st 2 >children were born in ILL. but can't find out where. > John was 1st married to Bertha ? Not sure if this Betsey , John & Bertha >divorced at some time, have this info from land records. listed in the 1860 >census is his wife or not, dosen't say. Anyway John was here in Muskegon MI. >by March 1862 because he brought land here, dosen't give any date of death in >his probate record. Just list his children. > Now Charles and William were both in the Civil war, Charles joined here >in Muskegon, when he was in the Hospital during the was, he states he was >German decent, and next of kin was his father John, who lived in Muskegon. >William joined in Naperville, Dupage ILL.he states he was born in Baveria, but no >town or village listed. William came to Muskegon after the Civil War was >over, both Charles and William was in the Civil War till the end, both joined in >1862. > Now Charles was married to Elizabeth Ottis in the 1870 census, the >census states Charles was Prussian and so was his parents. At some point Charles >married Alice Baker, or at least they lived together as man and wife, no >marriage record could be found here in Muskegon, Alice wasn't able to draw on >Charles's pension because she couldn't she was married to him or that she was >divorced from her 1st husband in Port Huron MI., from the 1880 census on till >Charles died, the census has him born in every place but Germany, assume Alice >really didn't know where is was born and Charles was real hard of hearing and >don't think he was able to give any info. Alice had a problem with not being >able to prove Charle's 1st wife was dead either. > Big problem I'm having with where John, his 1st wife Bertha, there son >George and his wife and Johns youngest son George Jacob were buried here in >Muskegon, i know Johns land was near the Air Port here in Muskegon. > > >Sue >Okla1915@aol.com > > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello List - I am wondering if "Byane" is a terrible mis-spelling of the German name for Bavaria ( which is Bayern). Does anyone have this same idea? I once ran across the birth place as "Bion", and it turned out to be Bayern. Elizabeth in Tacoma ----- Original Message ----- From: "LGO ô¿ô" <le_geefted_one@ix.netcom.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Cc: <Okla1915@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ROSENHAUER FAMILY > Sue, > > You're not ready to delve into German records yet. You need more > information. Your next step is to track down this "Byane" that's listed as > the birthplace on the census. I'm guessing that's a potentially terrible > mis-spelling by the census taker. When you do get a better idea of it, go > to the nearest genealogy library or LDS Family History Center and look up > the place name in "Meyer's Orts." If you find it in Meyer's Orts, you've > got a correct place name and can find out where the records (both church > and civil) were kept (<-- Meyer's Orts will tell you that, too). > > Again, before you go jumping into German records, find out the birthdate > and either the parent's names or sibling's names for your immigrant > ancestor. These can be found 90% of the time in the records of the > immigrant's new country. This information will be used to identify if you > have the correct person in German records, as well as to confirm it's the > correct family. > > Trying to jump into foreign records too quickly, although tempting when a > little info is found, is one of the biggest mistakes (and wastes of time) > that genealogists make. Arm yourself with the correct place name, date of > birth, and names of parents and/or siblings, and your task will be > infinitely easier (and much more likely successful) when you do go into > German records. > > Good luck, > > LGO > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Okla1915@aol.com >>Sent: Apr 14, 2007 11:04 AM >>To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ROSENHAUER FAMILY >> >>Hi, I'm having real problems with my Rosenhauer family who came from >>Germany. Below is what I have and really not sure where to go next. >> >>1860 Census Dupage Co. ILL >>John Rosenhauer, Find the surname spelled many different way's >>John- Age 56-Born Byane >>Betsey- Age 49-Born Byane >>Charles- Age 20 >>William- Age 19 >>George- Age 13 >>Says in the 1860 census all children were born in Byane, not sure if the >>place of birth is spelled right, but Byane is how it was spelled in the >>census. >>John had another son George, he married Anna ? where unknown, there 1st 2 >>children were born in ILL. but can't find out where. >> John was 1st married to Bertha ? Not sure if this Betsey , John & >> Bertha >>divorced at some time, have this info from land records. listed in the >>1860 >>census is his wife or not, dosen't say. Anyway John was here in Muskegon >>MI. >>by March 1862 because he brought land here, dosen't give any date of >>death in >>his probate record. Just list his children. >> Now Charles and William were both in the Civil war, Charles joined >> here >>in Muskegon, when he was in the Hospital during the was, he states he was >>German decent, and next of kin was his father John, who lived in >>Muskegon. >>William joined in Naperville, Dupage ILL.he states he was born in >>Baveria, but no >>town or village listed. William came to Muskegon after the Civil War was >>over, both Charles and William was in the Civil War till the end, both >>joined in >>1862. >> Now Charles was married to Elizabeth Ottis in the 1870 census, the >>census states Charles was Prussian and so was his parents. At some point >>Charles >>married Alice Baker, or at least they lived together as man and wife, no >>marriage record could be found here in Muskegon, Alice wasn't able to >>draw on >>Charles's pension because she couldn't she was married to him or that she >>was >>divorced from her 1st husband in Port Huron MI., from the 1880 census on >>till >>Charles died, the census has him born in every place but Germany, assume >>Alice >>really didn't know where is was born and Charles was real hard of hearing >>and >>don't think he was able to give any info. Alice had a problem with not >>being >>able to prove Charle's 1st wife was dead either. >> Big problem I'm having with where John, his 1st wife Bertha, there >> son >>George and his wife and Johns youngest son George Jacob were buried here >>in >>Muskegon, i know Johns land was near the Air Port here in Muskegon. >> >> >>Sue >>Okla1915@aol.com >> >> >> >> >>************************************** See what's free at >>http://www.aol.com. >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
That was my first thought as well. -----Original Message----- From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of wesixski Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:31 PM To: LGO ô¿ô; prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ROSENHAUER FAMILY Hello List - I am wondering if "Byane" is a terrible mis-spelling of the German name for Bavaria ( which is Bayern). Does anyone have this same idea? I once ran across the birth place as "Bion", and it turned out to be Bayern. Elizabeth in Tacoma ----- Original Message ----- From: "LGO ô¿ô" <le_geefted_one@ix.netcom.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Cc: <Okla1915@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ROSENHAUER FAMILY > Sue, > > You're not ready to delve into German records yet. You need more > information. Your next step is to track down this "Byane" that's listed as > the birthplace on the census. I'm guessing that's a potentially terrible > mis-spelling by the census taker. When you do get a better idea of it, go > to the nearest genealogy library or LDS Family History Center and look up > the place name in "Meyer's Orts." If you find it in Meyer's Orts, you've > got a correct place name and can find out where the records (both church > and civil) were kept (<-- Meyer's Orts will tell you that, too). > > Again, before you go jumping into German records, find out the birthdate > and either the parent's names or sibling's names for your immigrant > ancestor. These can be found 90% of the time in the records of the > immigrant's new country. This information will be used to identify if you > have the correct person in German records, as well as to confirm it's the > correct family. > > Trying to jump into foreign records too quickly, although tempting when a > little info is found, is one of the biggest mistakes (and wastes of time) > that genealogists make. Arm yourself with the correct place name, date of > birth, and names of parents and/or siblings, and your task will be > infinitely easier (and much more likely successful) when you do go into > German records. > > Good luck, > > LGO > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Okla1915@aol.com >>Sent: Apr 14, 2007 11:04 AM >>To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] ROSENHAUER FAMILY >> >>Hi, I'm having real problems with my Rosenhauer family who came from >>Germany. Below is what I have and really not sure where to go next. >> >>1860 Census Dupage Co. ILL >>John Rosenhauer, Find the surname spelled many different way's >>John- Age 56-Born Byane >>Betsey- Age 49-Born Byane >>Charles- Age 20 >>William- Age 19 >>George- Age 13 >>Says in the 1860 census all children were born in Byane, not sure if the >>place of birth is spelled right, but Byane is how it was spelled in the >>census. >>John had another son George, he married Anna ? where unknown, there 1st 2 >>children were born in ILL. but can't find out where. >> John was 1st married to Bertha ? Not sure if this Betsey , John & >> Bertha >>divorced at some time, have this info from land records. listed in the >>1860 >>census is his wife or not, dosen't say. Anyway John was here in Muskegon >>MI. >>by March 1862 because he brought land here, dosen't give any date of >>death in >>his probate record. Just list his children. >> Now Charles and William were both in the Civil war, Charles joined >> here >>in Muskegon, when he was in the Hospital during the was, he states he was >>German decent, and next of kin was his father John, who lived in >>Muskegon. >>William joined in Naperville, Dupage ILL.he states he was born in >>Baveria, but no >>town or village listed. William came to Muskegon after the Civil War was >>over, both Charles and William was in the Civil War till the end, both >>joined in >>1862. >> Now Charles was married to Elizabeth Ottis in the 1870 census, the >>census states Charles was Prussian and so was his parents. At some point >>Charles >>married Alice Baker, or at least they lived together as man and wife, no >>marriage record could be found here in Muskegon, Alice wasn't able to >>draw on >>Charles's pension because she couldn't she was married to him or that she >>was >>divorced from her 1st husband in Port Huron MI., from the 1880 census on >>till >>Charles died, the census has him born in every place but Germany, assume >>Alice >>really didn't know where is was born and Charles was real hard of hearing >>and >>don't think he was able to give any info. Alice had a problem with not >>being >>able to prove Charle's 1st wife was dead either. >> Big problem I'm having with where John, his 1st wife Bertha, there >> son >>George and his wife and Johns youngest son George Jacob were buried here >>in >>Muskegon, i know Johns land was near the Air Port here in Muskegon. >> >> >>Sue >>Okla1915@aol.com >> >> >> >> >>************************************** See what's free at >>http://www.aol.com. >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message