Back in 1874 when our ancestors arrived in Manitoba, Canada, some of the group immediately moved to Kansas and possibly Nebraska. There were Loewens that moved to Kansas, I believe, Solomon Loewens. We are not sure where they have all spread out to in the meantime. We have a book on the descendents of Isaak Loewen (1759-18_). A quick skim through the book does not indicate any South Dakota addresses, but who knows. Our son who works in East Moline, Illinois has a co-worker by the name of Loewen as well. He sent us his family tree and we do not find that it overlaps with ours, but it might with yours. Frieda ----- Original Message ----- From: "jack schafer" <jschafer0414@sbcglobal.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Illegitimacy > Freida, Did any of your Loewn family go to South Dakota? If so, I will > give you some info on Helena Loewen Schafer, with some questions. > > Thanks, Jack Schafer > > Frieda Loewen <floewen@xplornet.com> wrote: I read your entry with > interest. My background is Mennonite and I can trace > my roots back to Russia and from there to East Prussia. I have the > majority > of my, and my husband's, family lines going back to the 1700's and the odd > few into the 1600's. However, of late I am unable to go any further. > Were > records not kept further back? Also I have heard that people did not use > surnames until perhaps in the 1500's or even 1600's. Would that be the > problem? If you have any leads for me, please let me know, Thank you! > Frieda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R. Lipprandt" > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:23 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Illegitimacy > > >> >> Illegitimate... maybe, maybe not. It depends upon the religious view of >> the >> transcriber. >> >> Without getting into a religious uproar about my statement (above), >> Prussia >> (with Köningburg as capitol) was predominantly protestant (Evangelical >> and >> Lutheran). By this I mean Ostpreussen (East Prussia) and Westpreussen >> (West >> Prussia). Provinces near France, Italy, Austria and Poland would have had >> a >> Catholic influence. The Evangelical Church was the largest religious >> denomination in all of what we consider Prussia. >> >> The Prussians were the ones that stabilized the religious wars in the >> German >> speaking areas of Europe. Four religions were made official, >> Evangelical, >> Lutheran, Mennonite and Catholic (Roman). Now... if you were Evangelical >> and >> lived in a Catholic area, and you wanted your birth/marriage/baptism >> recorded in a church (and no Evangelical Church was at hand), then it was >> registered with the Catholic church. O.K., if your religious views did >> not >> match that of the registry and the register of the document had, then >> your >> parents were not married. With that thought in mind, then most everyone >> was >> illegitimate. The same would hold true with Catholics registering in >> Evangelical/Lutheran or Mennonite books... if you get my drift. >> >> As for the non-Prussian/German sounding names yes, quite possible. With >> the >> religious wars in mind, refuges such as French Huguenots, Dutch >> Protestants, >> etc. etc. etc. migrated to East and West Prussia because of religious >> freedom. Even the out of work ship carpenters from Italy had a hand in >> building the magnificent cathedrals of Prussia. >> >> The reverse migration was when Catherine the Great of Russia (originally >> a >> princess from West Prussia) invited the German farmers (those without >> land) >> to the Ukraine to farm the land the Russians either couldn't or wouldn't. >> Eventually, those German settlers had to convert to the Russian Orthodox >> church or loose everything they had.... or leave. >> >> There is so much involved with the religious registering. Googling is the >> best answer and my vote is that the Marquart/Marquardt girls did not >> provide >> the illegitimate births as so recorded, the items were only recorded that >> way because of the view of the transcriber. >> >> I will now turn it over to more knowledgeable individuals... >> >> Regards, Rollo+ >> =========== >> >> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt >> >> >>> If you can stand one more e-mail regarding this topic, I can tell you >>> that >>> about 15 years ago, I did extensive research on my Glass line through >>> the >>> Sankt Katharina Braunsberg Katholic Kirche (St. Katherine's Catholic >>> Church, >>> Braunsberg, Ostpreussen, Prussia) LDS microfilm records. It was a gold >>> mine >>> of information giving me complete family trees for my great-great >>> grandfather's family (though I came up completely dry for his wife!) >>> going >>> back 200 years. One name that I encountered very often was "Marquart." >>> This name initially caught my eye because I, too, didn't think it >>> sounded >>> German, and it was as far away from France as you could get in Germany. >>> The >>> main reason that I remember that name, though, is that a vast majority >>> of >>> the Marquart births were marked with an "X" to denote illegitimacy, and >>> it >>> made me wonder about those Marquart girls! Another name that I ran >>> across >>> in those records, though only once, was the only noble birth I >>> encountered, >>> that of a child born to a von Frankenstein family. I'm sure there was >>> no >>> connection to the fictional characters, though. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elaine O'Neill >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:05 PM >>> To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Kusc - Marquadt >>> >>> I sent to Michigan for my Great-grandmother's death certificate. >>> Rather than it answering some questions it's only creating more. >>> Partly because of the handwriting on the original record, and partly >>> because of conflicting information. >>> >>> I was hoping for a definite birth location, but only got "Germany". >>> On well. Could be worse I guess. >>> >>> But the big questions are regarding names. On my grandfather's >>> marriage record from Windsor, Ontario he gives his mother's maiden >>> name as BRUCHESCI. I assumed there may have been a spelling error but >>> that the correct name would at least be something similar. But no! On >>> her death record her husband gives her father's name as John KUSC, and >>> her mother's maiden name as Tesia (?) MARQUADT. Is MARQUADT a German >>> name? It almost sounds a bit French to me. And how does one get >>> BRUCHESCI from KUSC? I have to assume that the information on the >>> death record is more accurate because it was provided by her husband, >>> rather than one of her children. >>> >>> Thanks for any input or advice. >>> >>> Elaine O'. >>> in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message