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    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] HELP - TIMMERMAN
    2. Joel S. Russell

    3. Hi Bobbie, I'd like to help, but I'm afraid I have more questions for you first. Per the 1900 Census Anna Marie arrived in 1855 and Catherine Caroline arrived in 1861. Have you found either in the ships passenger lists? Are you assuming they both came alone or did they come with other family members? What church did they attend? Have you checked their marriage records to see if their place of birth is listed? Also their parents names? I see that Anna Marie's death certificate gives her parents names as you have them listed. Catherine Caroline's does not, so can we assume you have other records that shows she was a sister to Anna Marie? If a place isn't found in their marriage records then see if their is anything in the church death records. An example from my own family, the following is the funeral record from the church she attended. "Arndt, Justine (born Wiele), born May 11th, 1838 in Dehme, Westphalen, Germany. She came to America in 1860 and married Wilh. Schuette in 1862, he died in 1873. She married Herman Arndt on Oct 13th, 1876. She died Jan 19th, 1913 and was buried on the 21st. Age 74 years, 8 months, 8 days." It is extremely difficult to find your ancestor in Germany without first finding their hometown through records in the U.S. Joel http://www.rafert.org/home At 01:12 PM 4/14/2009, you wrote: >I am new to this list and thought I should provide what I know and >what I am looking for. > >I am attempting to find info in Germany regarding births and any >other ancestors. Bobbie > >I have the following info: > >Descendants of William TIMMERMAN > >Generation No. 1 > >1. WILLIAM1 TIMMERMAN was born in Hannover, DEU. He married ISABEL >MEYER. She was born >in Hannover, DEU. > >Children of WILLIAM TIMMERMAN and ISABEL MEYER are: >2. i. ANNA MARIE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN, b. 14 Feb 1840, >Germany (per 1900 census), >Hannover (per 1860 census), Prussia (per 1870 census); d. 13 Feb >1919, St. Louis, MO. >3. ii. CATHERINE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN, b. 14 Feb 1843, >Germany per death cert MO; >d. 05 Nov 1921, St. Louis, MO. > >Generation No. 2 > >2. ANNA MARIE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN (WILLIAM1) was born 14 Feb 1840 >in Germany (per 1900 >census), Hannover (per 1860 census), Prussia (per 1870 census), and >died 13 Feb 1919 in St. Louis, >MO. She married NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ 11 Aug 1859 in St. Louis, >MO, son of JEAN KUNTZ and >MARGARET ROHR. He was born 11 Oct 1833 in Bliesbruck_ Moselle_ >France , France (per 1860 & >1870 census), 11/12 Oct 1833 per Ruth Kuntz, [email protected] lives >in Iowa, and died 11 Feb 1907 in >St. Louis, MO. > >More About ANNA MARIE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN: >Date born: 14 Feb 1840, Hanover, Germany >Died: 13 Feb 1919, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Burial: 16 Feb 1919, Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, MO > >More About NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ: >Date born 2: 11 Oct 1833, Bliesbrucken, Sarreguemines, Lorraine, France >Died: 08 Feb 1907, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Burial: 11 Feb 1907, Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, MO >Christening: 12 Oct 1833, Bliesbrucken, Sarreguemines, Lorraine, France > >More About NICHOLAS KUNTZ and ANNA TIMMERMAN: >Marriage 1: 11 Aug 1859, St. Louis, MO > >Children of ANNA TIMMERMAN and NICHOLAS KUNTZ are: > i. JOHN N3 KUNTZ, b. 10 Mar 1860, St. Louis, MO; d. 06 > Feb 1927; m. AMELIA ANN >ULRICH, 22 Oct 1884, St. Louis, MO1; b. 24 Aug 1861, ,,Missouri; d. >09 Aug 1949, St Louis, MO. > >More About JOHN N KUNTZ: >Date born 2: 09 Mar 1860, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Died 2: 06 Feb 1927, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Burial: 09 Feb 1927, Valhalla cem, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri > >More About JOHN KUNTZ and AMELIA ULRICH: Marriage: 22 Oct 1884, St. Louis, MO1 > > ii. LOUISE KUNTZ, b. 1864; d. 1884, died in childbirth; > m. HENRY HOWMILLER. > iii. NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ JR., b. Feb 1865, MO, per > 1900 census; d. May 1938, St. >Louis, MO; m. WILHEMINA BARBARA BURKEL, 16 Oct 1888, St. Louis, MO; >b. 21 Dec 1867, IL (per >1900 census), O'Fallon; d. 02 May 1945, St. Louis, MO. > >More About NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ JR. >Date born 2: Abt. Feb 1865, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Died : May 1938, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Burial: 25 May 1938, Bellefontaine ce, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri > >More About WILHEMINA BARBARA BURKEL: Burial: 05 May 1945, >Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, >MO > >More About NICHOLAS KUNTZ and WILHEMINA BURKEL: Marriage: 16 Oct >1888, St. Louis, MO > > iv. GEORGE NICHOLAS KUNTZ, b. 16 Aug 1872, St. Louis, > MO; d. 14 May 1952, St. >Louis, MO; m. ANNA MARIE KRINGS, 17 Apr 1907, St.Louis, St.Louis, >Missouri; b. 25 Jun 1879, >St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri; d. 25 Nov 1973, ,St.Louis, Missouri. > >More About GEORGE NICHOLAS KUNTZ: >Date born 2: 16 Aug 1872, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Died 2: 14 May 1954, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >Burial : 17 May 1954, Sts.Peter & Paul, cem.St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri > >More About ANNA MARIE KRINGS: >Date born 2: 25 Jun 1879, St. Louis MO >Died 2: 25 Nov 1973, St Louis County MO >Burial 1: 28 Nov 1973, Sts.Peter & Paul, cem.St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri > >More About GEORGE KUNTZ and ANNA KRINGS: Marriage 1: 17 Apr 1907, >St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri > > v. LOUISE C. KUNTZ, b. Abt. Feb 1862, St.Louis, > St.Louis, Missouri; d. 17 Feb 1884, >St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri; m. HENRY C. HAWMILLER, 11 Oct 1882, >St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri. > >More About LOUISE C. KUNTZ: Burial: Bellefontaine ce, St.Louis, >St.Louis, Missouri > >More About HENRY HAWMILLER and LOUISE KUNTZ: Marriage: 11 Oct 1882, >St.Louis, St.Louis, >Missouri > > vi. EMMA VICTORIA KUNTZ, b. 23 Jan 1867, St.Louis, > St.Louis, Missouri; d. 15 Jul 1922, >St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri. > >More About EMMA VICTORIA KUNTZ: Burial: 18 Jul 1922, Bellefontaine >ce, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri > >3. CATHERINE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN (WILLIAM1) was born 14 Feb 1843 in >Germany per death >cert MO, and died 05 Nov 1921 in St. Louis, MO. She married WILLIAM >BLUME 03 Dec 1865 in St. >Louis, MO. He was born Abt. 1827 in Germany, and died 05 Jan 1898 >in St. Louis, MO. > >More About CATHERINE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN: Burial: St Peters Cemetery > >More About WILLIAM BLUME and CATHERINE TIMMERMAN: Marriage: 03 Dec >1865, St. Louis, MO > >Children of CATHERINE TIMMERMAN and WILLIAM BLUME are: > i. MATHILDA3 BLUME, b. 1858, MO per 1920 census; m. > HENRY VERRELL, 23 Jun >1888, St. Louis, MO3; b. 23 Jun 1857; d. 23 Oct 1921, St. Louis, MO. > >More About HENRY VERRELL: Burial: St Peters Cemetery > >More About HENRY VERRELL and MATHILDA BLUME: Marriage: 23 Jun 1888, >St. Louis, MO3 > > ii. GEORGE BLUME, b. 1868, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 26 Dec > 1907, St Louis, MO. > iii. EDWARD BLUME, b. 1869, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 01 Feb > 1899, St Louis, MO. > iv. EDA BLUME, b. 1872, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 27 Jan > 1875, St Louis, MO. > v. EMMA BLUME, b. 1874, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 03 Jul > 1875, St Louis, MO. > vi. ARTHUR W BLUME, b. 1876, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 07 > Nov 1882, St Louis, MO. > >Endnotes >1. License 13104 vol 27 page 551 city of St. Louis. >2. License 133904 vol 67 page 49. >3. Per St Louis Marriage License #28004 vol 35 page 42. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/14/2009 12:27:53
    1. Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] HELP - TIMMERMAN
    2. Kathy Hines

    3. I agree with Joel. I see the county marriage record for Caroline and Nicholas online at ancestry.com. My research strategy of choice would be to find out which church Louis E. Nollan, minister of the Gospel, was a pastor of in St. Louis. Then I would search through those church books for children's births, baptisms, confirmation records, as well and marriage and death records for everyone in your family. Make special notes about any other Timmermann or Kuntz or Blume that you find in those records. They will quite likely be close relatives of your clan. Kathy www.Kiva.org - loans that change lives. Change the world one loan at a time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel S. Russell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] HELP - TIMMERMAN > Hi Bobbie, > > I'd like to help, but I'm afraid I have more questions for you first. > > Per the 1900 Census Anna Marie arrived in 1855 and Catherine Caroline > arrived in 1861. Have you found either in the ships passenger > lists? Are you assuming they both came alone or did they come with > other family members? What church did they attend? Have you checked > their marriage records to see if their place of birth is > listed? Also their parents names? I see that Anna Marie's death > certificate gives her parents names as you have them > listed. Catherine Caroline's does not, so can we assume you have > other records that shows she was a sister to Anna Marie? If a place > isn't found in their marriage records then see if their is anything > in the church death records. > > An example from my own family, the following is the funeral record > from the church she attended. > "Arndt, Justine (born Wiele), born May 11th, 1838 in Dehme, > Westphalen, Germany. She came to America in 1860 and married Wilh. > Schuette in 1862, he died in 1873. She married Herman Arndt on Oct > 13th, 1876. She died Jan 19th, 1913 and was buried on the 21st. Age > 74 years, 8 months, 8 days." > > It is extremely difficult to find your ancestor in Germany without > first finding their hometown through records in the U.S. > > Joel > http://www.rafert.org/home > > > At 01:12 PM 4/14/2009, you wrote: >>I am new to this list and thought I should provide what I know and >>what I am looking for. >> >>I am attempting to find info in Germany regarding births and any >>other ancestors. Bobbie >> >>I have the following info: >> >>Descendants of William TIMMERMAN >> >>Generation No. 1 >> >>1. WILLIAM1 TIMMERMAN was born in Hannover, DEU. He married ISABEL >>MEYER. She was born >>in Hannover, DEU. >> >>Children of WILLIAM TIMMERMAN and ISABEL MEYER are: >>2. i. ANNA MARIE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN, b. 14 Feb 1840, >>Germany (per 1900 census), >>Hannover (per 1860 census), Prussia (per 1870 census); d. 13 Feb >>1919, St. Louis, MO. >>3. ii. CATHERINE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN, b. 14 Feb 1843, >>Germany per death cert MO; >>d. 05 Nov 1921, St. Louis, MO. >> >>Generation No. 2 >> >>2. ANNA MARIE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN (WILLIAM1) was born 14 Feb 1840 >>in Germany (per 1900 >>census), Hannover (per 1860 census), Prussia (per 1870 census), and >>died 13 Feb 1919 in St. Louis, >>MO. She married NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ 11 Aug 1859 in St. Louis, >>MO, son of JEAN KUNTZ and >>MARGARET ROHR. He was born 11 Oct 1833 in Bliesbruck_ Moselle_ >>France , France (per 1860 & >>1870 census), 11/12 Oct 1833 per Ruth Kuntz, [email protected] lives >>in Iowa, and died 11 Feb 1907 in >>St. Louis, MO. >> >>More About ANNA MARIE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN: >>Date born: 14 Feb 1840, Hanover, Germany >>Died: 13 Feb 1919, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Burial: 16 Feb 1919, Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, MO >> >>More About NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ: >>Date born 2: 11 Oct 1833, Bliesbrucken, Sarreguemines, Lorraine, France >>Died: 08 Feb 1907, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Burial: 11 Feb 1907, Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, MO >>Christening: 12 Oct 1833, Bliesbrucken, Sarreguemines, Lorraine, France >> >>More About NICHOLAS KUNTZ and ANNA TIMMERMAN: >>Marriage 1: 11 Aug 1859, St. Louis, MO >> >>Children of ANNA TIMMERMAN and NICHOLAS KUNTZ are: >> i. JOHN N3 KUNTZ, b. 10 Mar 1860, St. Louis, MO; d. 06 >> Feb 1927; m. AMELIA ANN >>ULRICH, 22 Oct 1884, St. Louis, MO1; b. 24 Aug 1861, ,,Missouri; d. >>09 Aug 1949, St Louis, MO. >> >>More About JOHN N KUNTZ: >>Date born 2: 09 Mar 1860, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Died 2: 06 Feb 1927, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Burial: 09 Feb 1927, Valhalla cem, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >> >>More About JOHN KUNTZ and AMELIA ULRICH: Marriage: 22 Oct 1884, St. Louis, >>MO1 >> >> ii. LOUISE KUNTZ, b. 1864; d. 1884, died in childbirth; >> m. HENRY HOWMILLER. >> iii. NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ JR., b. Feb 1865, MO, per >> 1900 census; d. May 1938, St. >>Louis, MO; m. WILHEMINA BARBARA BURKEL, 16 Oct 1888, St. Louis, MO; >>b. 21 Dec 1867, IL (per >>1900 census), O'Fallon; d. 02 May 1945, St. Louis, MO. >> >>More About NICHOLAS WILLIAM KUNTZ JR. >>Date born 2: Abt. Feb 1865, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Died : May 1938, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Burial: 25 May 1938, Bellefontaine ce, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >> >>More About WILHEMINA BARBARA BURKEL: Burial: 05 May 1945, >>Bellefontaine Cemetery, St. Louis, >>MO >> >>More About NICHOLAS KUNTZ and WILHEMINA BURKEL: Marriage: 16 Oct >>1888, St. Louis, MO >> >> iv. GEORGE NICHOLAS KUNTZ, b. 16 Aug 1872, St. Louis, >> MO; d. 14 May 1952, St. >>Louis, MO; m. ANNA MARIE KRINGS, 17 Apr 1907, St.Louis, St.Louis, >>Missouri; b. 25 Jun 1879, >>St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri; d. 25 Nov 1973, ,St.Louis, Missouri. >> >>More About GEORGE NICHOLAS KUNTZ: >>Date born 2: 16 Aug 1872, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Died 2: 14 May 1954, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >>Burial : 17 May 1954, Sts.Peter & Paul, cem.St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >> >>More About ANNA MARIE KRINGS: >>Date born 2: 25 Jun 1879, St. Louis MO >>Died 2: 25 Nov 1973, St Louis County MO >>Burial 1: 28 Nov 1973, Sts.Peter & Paul, cem.St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >> >>More About GEORGE KUNTZ and ANNA KRINGS: Marriage 1: 17 Apr 1907, >>St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >> >> v. LOUISE C. KUNTZ, b. Abt. Feb 1862, St.Louis, >> St.Louis, Missouri; d. 17 Feb 1884, >>St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri; m. HENRY C. HAWMILLER, 11 Oct 1882, >>St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri. >> >>More About LOUISE C. KUNTZ: Burial: Bellefontaine ce, St.Louis, >>St.Louis, Missouri >> >>More About HENRY HAWMILLER and LOUISE KUNTZ: Marriage: 11 Oct 1882, >>St.Louis, St.Louis, >>Missouri >> >> vi. EMMA VICTORIA KUNTZ, b. 23 Jan 1867, St.Louis, >> St.Louis, Missouri; d. 15 Jul 1922, >>St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri. >> >>More About EMMA VICTORIA KUNTZ: Burial: 18 Jul 1922, Bellefontaine >>ce, St.Louis, St.Louis, Missouri >> >>3. CATHERINE CAROLINE2 TIMMERMAN (WILLIAM1) was born 14 Feb 1843 in >>Germany per death >>cert MO, and died 05 Nov 1921 in St. Louis, MO. She married WILLIAM >>BLUME 03 Dec 1865 in St. >>Louis, MO. He was born Abt. 1827 in Germany, and died 05 Jan 1898 >>in St. Louis, MO. >> >>More About CATHERINE CAROLINE TIMMERMAN: Burial: St Peters Cemetery >> >>More About WILLIAM BLUME and CATHERINE TIMMERMAN: Marriage: 03 Dec >>1865, St. Louis, MO >> >>Children of CATHERINE TIMMERMAN and WILLIAM BLUME are: >> i. MATHILDA3 BLUME, b. 1858, MO per 1920 census; m. >> HENRY VERRELL, 23 Jun >>1888, St. Louis, MO3; b. 23 Jun 1857; d. 23 Oct 1921, St. Louis, MO. >> >>More About HENRY VERRELL: Burial: St Peters Cemetery >> >>More About HENRY VERRELL and MATHILDA BLUME: Marriage: 23 Jun 1888, >>St. Louis, MO3 >> >> ii. GEORGE BLUME, b. 1868, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 26 Dec >> 1907, St Louis, MO. >> iii. EDWARD BLUME, b. 1869, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 01 Feb >> 1899, St Louis, MO. >> iv. EDA BLUME, b. 1872, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 27 Jan >> 1875, St Louis, MO. >> v. EMMA BLUME, b. 1874, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 03 Jul >> 1875, St Louis, MO. >> vi. ARTHUR W BLUME, b. 1876, St Louis, MO; d. Abt. 07 >> Nov 1882, St Louis, MO. >> >>Endnotes >>1. License 13104 vol 27 page 551 city of St. Louis. >>2. License 133904 vol 67 page 49. >>3. Per St Louis Marriage License #28004 vol 35 page 42. >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    04/14/2009 12:12:09