Wow Thanks so much now i will try to find my husbands people. Darlene ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:43 AM Subject: PRUSSIA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 120 > > > ***IMPORTANT*** > When replying to a digest message, DO NOT just hit Reply (which will send > the entire digest back to the list). Remove all text (the rest of the > digest) leaving only the specific message to which you are replying. > > Also IMPORTANT, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it > coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. > > Failure to do so will result in a change of your subscription from digest > to single message mode. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. wild cards (Darlene Bengsch) > 2. Re: wild cards (Kurkowski, Denise & Rob) > 3. Surname help (Cindy Drage) > 4. Re: Surname help (Robert Lipprandt) > 5. Re: Surname help (Cindy Drage) > 6. Surname help, LOEIVE = LOEWE (Paul Rands) > 7. Re: Surname help LOIVE ([email protected]) > 8. LOIWE (Sheila Kapella) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:18:27 -0500 > From: "Darlene Bengsch" <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] wild cards > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello > Can you all help me to understand how to use the wild card method in doing > a search? Some of the German sites say to use them. As the Bengschs and > Brussats are still hiding from me i need all the help i can get. > Thanks Darlene > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:24:59 +0000 > From: "Kurkowski, Denise & Rob" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] wild cards > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Searching with Wildcard Characters > To search for words that have spelling variations or contain a specified > pattern of characters, use ? and * (called wildcard characters) to > represent the variations. > > > > > > > > > ? > > > Represents any single alphanumeric character in the position it occupies. > > > * > > Represents zero, one, or multiple alphanumeric characters in the position > it occupies. > Notes: > > > The ? wildcard can appear at the beginning of a word, in the middle of a > word, or at the end of a word. > > The * wildcard can appear at the end of a word to find words with > different endings, or in the middle of a word to find words containing a > specified pattern of characters. The * wildcard can not appear at the > beginning of a word. > > You cannot use ? or * within quotation marks when you specifying an exact > match. > > Wildcard matching must match all characters explicitly specified. If you > enter the keyword cable, IEEE Xplore also looks for records containing the > stem variation cabling. If you enter cable*, IEEE Xplore does not match > cabling, because there is no e to match. > > The * wildcard can match words that are not the stem variations that > normal IEEE Xplore searching matches. For example, cable* matches > cableguns and cableway, but cable does not; it matches words with common > suffixes such as -ed, -es, and -ing. > Examples: > cable? > Matches any record containing six-character words such as cables or cabled > in any field. Does not match cable (? must match one character), cabling, > cableguns, or cableway. > t?re > Matches any record containing four-character words such as tire, tyre, or > tore in any field. Does not match tires or three. > ???agon > Matches hexagon or paragon. Does not match pentagon. > t?re* > Matches tire (in which * matches no characters), tyre, tires, tyres, > three, and threshold. > m*n* > Matches man, mean, median, moon, magnification, modification, management, > mnemonic, and any other word in which m is followed by n. > electro* > Matches electron, electrons, electronic, electronics, electromagnetic, > electromechanical, electrostatic, and electrolyte. > optic* <in> de > Matches records containing optic, optics, or optical in the Index Terms > field. > C3?.2* > Matches records containing C37.20.2-1993, C37.20.2b-1994, or C37.26-1972 > (IEEE standards). > > > > > > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:18:27 -0500 >> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] wild cards >> >> Hello >> Can you all help me to understand how to use the wild card method in >> doing a search? Some of the German sites say to use them. As the Bengschs >> and Brussats are still hiding from me i need all the help i can get. >> Thanks Darlene >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:04:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: Cindy Drage <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname help > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hello - > ? > I am new to this list and am hoping someone is familiar with a surname I > have in my family.?? My great-great Aunt Lena KRANZ?wrote up a short > genealogy of her parents.? The information was given to her by her mother, > Augusta Wilhelmina?to write down.?Augusta gave her maiden name as LOEIVE.? > I have never been able to find this surname in any database.? Has any one > ever heard of this name? > ? > Cindy Drage > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:33:01 -0400 > From: "Robert Lipprandt" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname help > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > L[oe]ive = ? Cindy. It may be written as L?ive (alt + 148 from the keypad) > or something similar. > > Bob~~ > ------------- > > > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname help > > > Hello - > > I am new to this list and am hoping someone is familiar with a surname I > have in my family. My great-great Aunt Lena KRANZ wrote up a short > genealogy > of her parents. The information was given to her by her mother, Augusta > Wilhelmina to write down. Augusta gave her maiden name as LOEIVE. I have > never been able to find this surname in any database. Has any one ever > heard > of this name? > > Cindy Drage > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:47:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: Cindy Drage <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname help > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Bob - > ? > Thank you for the help.? Although I have been researching my other > families for years, I have just been starting to get into the Prussian > part of my family.?? I can use all the help I can get! > ? > Cindy > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Robert Lipprandt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Robert Lipprandt <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname help > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 10:33 AM > > > > L[oe]ive = ? Cindy. It may be written as L?ive (alt + 148 from the keypad) > or something similar. > > Bob~~ > ------------- > > > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname help > > > Hello - > > I am new to this list and am hoping someone is familiar with a surname I > have in my family. My great-great Aunt Lena KRANZ wrote up a short > genealogy > of her parents. The information was given to her by her mother, Augusta > Wilhelmina to write down. Augusta gave her maiden name as LOEIVE. I have > never been able to find this surname in any database. Has any one ever > heard > of this name? > > Cindy Drage > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:36:56 -0700 > From: "Paul Rands" <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname help, LOEIVE = LOEWE > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: Richard Rands <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Cindy, > > This is a tough one. The surname L?we/Loewe is my suggestion. Instead of > just giving you the fish, I show you how to fish so others who read this > may > use the same techniques with their surname mysteries. > > V in German is pronounced like F so be sure to try F in place of V. > W in German is pronounced like V in English so given that a German > speaking > person was telling an English speaking person her details, the V could > very > well be a W in the German spelling. > OE is a common English (and even German) way to substitute for an umlauted > O > (an O with two dots above it) > The letter I in this position would be very unusual and probably is just > plain wrong for the German spelling. > > I tried several combinations in the German surname mapping site Geogen ( > http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/en/Default.aspx ) but got nowhere. > > Soundex (a system for recording names that ignores vowels and groups > consonants by similar sounds) would be helpful. > > The online German phonebook (millions of current German surnames) has a > feature that will take your entry and, if you check the "similarities" box > in the expanded search page, will give you what its search engine (using a > type of Soundex slanted toward German phonetics) thinks are similar names. > To do this yourself, go to > http://www.infobel.com/en/world/Teldir.aspx?url=http://www.dastelefonbuch.de/ > and select English and then expanded search. > > Assuming the letter I is just plain out of place, I entered LOVE for the > surname and checked the similarities box. > > Bingo, L?we (or Loewe) came up as a major possibility. > > The word L?we, by the way, means lion in German. Taking that name back to > Geogen, I see it has over 2,000 modern listings as a surname and is spread > all over Germany. > > I think anyone who knows English spelling and German phonetics would agree > that L?we is an excellent candidate for your target surname. Remember > that > even the Germans might spell it Loewe. The name would be pronounced > approximately as the word for window blinds Louvres without the r or the > s. > The addition of the letter I was the writer's attempt to spell a sound we > just don't use in English. Go back to the word Louvres. Drop the s. > Drop > the r. You've got Louve. To change the first vowel sound represented by > OU > to the proper German sound which was OE (umlauted O), you must make an O > sound with your lips pursed (tight little O) but do no allow it to become > a > dipthong (two vowels). To account for this, I believe the writer added > the > letter I. Remember the final e is pronounced something like A. This > suggests to me that your writer/informant (the great-great aunt) knew > something about German spelling because she, in fact, came quite close to > the correct spelling if you drop the I and change the V to W. > > Hope this puts you on the right track. > > Paul near Portland > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Cindy Drage" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 7:04 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname help > >> Hello - >> >> I am new to this list and am hoping someone is familiar with a surname I >> have in my family. My great-great Aunt Lena KRANZ wrote up a short >> genealogy of her parents. The information was given to her by her mother, >> Augusta Wilhelmina to write down. Augusta gave her maiden name as LOEIVE. >> I have never been able to find this surname in any database. Has any one >> ever heard of this name? >> >> Cindy Drage > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:41:21 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname help LOIVE > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I agree with Bob, this may be L?ive - but in all of my naming books I have > not found anything with that combination of letters or sounds. If what > you are reading is handwritten, that may be the stumbling block, even if > it's modern handwriting, and moreso if it is one of the old scripts., > perhaps > misread long ago. It may be a derivation of L?we (lion) or L?w or > Lowis > or Lewin or Lown or Lowen or Lowries or Level or Louve (that one is > French) > or Louwe or Leue. If you can send me a copy of that handwriting, > perhaps > I can glean some more clues. > [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > > Maureen > > > In a message dated 6/3/2009 7:49:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Bob - > > Thank you for the help. Although I have been researching my other > families for years, I have just been starting to get into the Prussian > part of my > family. I can use all the help I can get! > > Cindy > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Robert Lipprandt <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Robert Lipprandt <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname help > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 10:33 AM > > > > L[oe]ive = ? Cindy. It may be written as L?ive (alt + 148 from the > keypad) > or something similar. > > Bob~~ > ------------- > > > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Surname help > > > Hello - > > I am new to this list and am hoping someone is familiar with a surname I > have in my family. My great-great Aunt Lena KRANZ wrote up a short > genealogy > of her parents. The information was given to her by her mother, Augusta > Wilhelmina to write down. Augusta gave her maiden name as LOEIVE. I have > never been able to find this surname in any database. Has any one ever > heard > of this name? > > Cindy Drage > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > **************We found the real ?Hotel California? and the ?Seinfeld? > diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. > (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml > cntnew00000007) > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:42:49 -0500 > From: Sheila Kapella <[email protected]> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] LOIWE > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Cindy: Also check Family Search. A couple of Loiwe (and other variants) > there. 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