Deborah, Thanks for that bit of interesting info. I had never heard of any of it. My gr grandmother Maria Theresa Brodt was born (1860) in Zechlin (now Zychlin, Poland), Prussia, abt midway between Gdansk/Danzig & Stolpe/Stulp. Her father Johann was a teacher there, altho he may have been born in Morganstern. Her mother's maiden name was possibly Krosg (on Maria's death cert) or Kersi, Kerst, Kerss, Krost (seen other places). Vital stats records for that region may have been lost in some way, so I may never know. Anyone recognize any of those maiden name possibilities? Maria's mother's real maiden name remains elusive. Maria Theresa emigrated to Chicago with her widowed mother & 5 sibs. I have tons of info on them in America, but little on their ancestors or relatives who remained in Prussia/Poland. The family spoke German, & the surnames sound German. I would love to find others who might be descended from/related to this family. Thanks agian for the info abt Kashub. Judy, in Alaska On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Deborah Frontczak < deborahfrontczak@yahoo.com> wrote: > Tim, > > I'm guessing you're referring to Kashub. (but it made me giggle to see it > spelled as tho it would be pronounced: catch-up or ketchup! thanks for > the giggle! I really did love it, not poking fun at you at all! I wonder > what MY childhood Polish pronunciations would sound like today!) :-) > > Kashubians are descended from the Pomeranian tribes that settled along the > Baltic in Poland. There is a lot of info online about this group - so it's > pretty easy to get more info. Their "capital city" (most populous) is > Gdansk or > Danzig and there are still people who speak Kashub. Lech Walesa is one > famous > Kashub. Their language is more than just a dialect of Polish, and is > considered > a language in its own right. There was some confusion with some > people thinking > that Kashub just meant the people who lived on the border btw Germany and > Poland > and they intermarried and were called Kashub. While, as you probably know, > the > border changed many times as everyone seemed to own a piece of Poland for a > long > time, the intermarriage of Germans and Poles really had nothing to do with > someone's ancestry being Kashub. > > My one Grandmother was Kashub and remembered some nursery rhymes in Kashub, > but > mostly her family spoke Polish. Her birth name was Fuerst - decidely > German, > but her father was listed as knowing Polish, so it is unclear whether he > was > Kashub or Polish or what. :) > > Similar to other countries, there are many tribes that make up Germany - > Frisians, Swabians, Bavarians - so I'm not sure, at that time, what would > have > been considered "real Germans." Maybe someone else could speak to that. > > Deborah Frontczak > _____________________________________________________ > Researching Genealogy (Detroit, MI and Poland) for: > Frontczak, Owczarek, Fuerst, Wrosch, Langa, Endert, > Stefanski, Mrozowski, Sobieski, Tomaszewski, Kowalski, > Ksiazkiewicz, Bukowski. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Timothy Horst <horst_tim@yahoo.com> > To: prussia-roots <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 8:36:47 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Slang Expression > > I was born in North Dakota. My ancestors were all Germans who immigrated > from > Russia. Growing up, I remember my parents and grandparents referring to the > Germans in North Dakota as belonging to three distinct groups: > > • Ein echter deutscher (a real German) > • Swabians > • Kachup (I'm not sure how to spell this nickname so I've spelled it as > I > remember it being spoken, pronounced CAW-CHEW-P) > > It is pretty clear that the "real Germans" immigrated directly from Germany > to > the United States and that the Swabians are those folks who originally came > from > the Southern part of Germany (Wurttemberg and Swabia) prior to emigrating > to > Russia and then the United States. > > I believe the "Kachup" were those folks who originally came from Northern > Germany (Prussia and German held Poland) prior to emigrating to Russia and > then > the United States. > > While I can find lots of material on Swabians and their history, I have not > been > able to find any reference material on the origins or even the correct > spelling > of the folks nicknamed "Kachup". > > Have any of you run across the expression? > > T.Horst > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >