I was born in North Dakota. My ancestors were all Germans who immigrated from Russia. Growing up, I remember my parents and grandparents referring to the Germans in North Dakota as belonging to three distinct groups: • Ein echter deutscher (a real German) • Swabians • Kachup (I'm not sure how to spell this nickname so I've spelled it as I remember it being spoken, pronounced CAW-CHEW-P) It is pretty clear that the "real Germans" immigrated directly from Germany to the United States and that the Swabians are those folks who originally came from the Southern part of Germany (Wurttemberg and Swabia) prior to emigrating to Russia and then the United States. I believe the "Kachup" were those folks who originally came from Northern Germany (Prussia and German held Poland) prior to emigrating to Russia and then the United States. While I can find lots of material on Swabians and their history, I have not been able to find any reference material on the origins or even the correct spelling of the folks nicknamed "Kachup". Have any of you run across the expression? T.Horst

Tim, I'm guessing you're referring to Kashub.  (but it made me giggle to see it spelled as tho it would be pronounced: catch-up or ketchup!  thanks for the giggle!  I really did love it, not poking fun at you at all!  I wonder what MY childhood Polish pronunciations would sound like today!)  :-) Kashubians are descended from the Pomeranian tribes that settled along the Baltic in Poland.  There is a lot of info online about this group - so it's pretty easy to get more info.  Their "capital city" (most populous) is Gdansk or Danzig and there are still people who speak Kashub.  Lech Walesa is one famous Kashub.  Their language is more than just a dialect of Polish, and is considered a language in its own right.  There was some confusion with some people thinking that Kashub just meant the people who lived on the border btw Germany and Poland and they intermarried and were called Kashub.  While, as you probably know, the border changed many times as everyone seemed to own a piece of Poland for a long time, the intermarriage of Germans and Poles really had nothing to do with someone's ancestry being Kashub.   My one Grandmother was Kashub and remembered some nursery rhymes in Kashub, but mostly her family spoke Polish.  Her birth name was Fuerst - decidely German, but her father was listed as knowing Polish, so it is unclear whether he was Kashub or Polish or what.  :) Similar to other countries, there are many tribes that make up Germany - Frisians, Swabians, Bavarians - so I'm not sure, at that time, what would have been considered "real Germans."  Maybe someone else could speak to that. Deborah Frontczak _____________________________________________________ Researching Genealogy (Detroit, MI and Poland) for: Frontczak, Owczarek, Fuerst, Wrosch, Langa, Endert, Stefanski, Mrozowski, Sobieski, Tomaszewski, Kowalski, Ksiazkiewicz, Bukowski. ________________________________ From: Timothy Horst <horst_tim@yahoo.com> To: prussia-roots <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 8:36:47 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Slang Expression I was born in North Dakota. My ancestors were all Germans who immigrated from Russia. Growing up, I remember my parents and grandparents referring to the Germans in North Dakota as belonging to three distinct groups:     • Ein echter deutscher (a real German)     • Swabians     • Kachup (I'm not sure how to spell this nickname so I've spelled it as I remember it being spoken, pronounced CAW-CHEW-P) It is pretty clear that the "real Germans" immigrated directly from Germany to the United States and that the Swabians are those folks who originally came from the Southern part of Germany (Wurttemberg and Swabia) prior to emigrating to Russia and then the United States. I believe the "Kachup" were those folks who originally came from Northern Germany (Prussia and German held Poland) prior to emigrating to Russia and then the United States. While I can find lots of material on Swabians and their history, I have not been able to find any reference material on the origins or even the correct spelling of the folks nicknamed "Kachup". Have any of you run across the expression? T.Horst ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not sure where they came from, but your last group would be "Kashub." My mother was Polish and she used this term as well. ElaineO On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Timothy Horst <horst_tim@yahoo.com> wrote: > I was born in North Dakota. My ancestors were all Germans who immigrated > from Russia. Growing up, I remember my parents and grandparents referring to > the Germans in North Dakota as belonging to three distinct groups: > > • Ein echter deutscher (a real German) > • Swabians > • Kachup (I'm not sure how to spell this nickname so I've spelled it as > I remember it being spoken, pronounced CAW-CHEW-P) > > It is pretty clear that the "real Germans" immigrated directly from Germany > to the United States and that the Swabians are those folks who originally > came from the Southern part of Germany (Wurttemberg and Swabia) prior to > emigrating to Russia and then the United States. > > I believe the "Kachup" were those folks who originally came from Northern > Germany (Prussia and German held Poland) prior to emigrating to Russia and > then the United States. > > While I can find lots of material on Swabians and their history, I have not > been able to find any reference material on the origins or even the correct > spelling of the folks nicknamed "Kachup". > > Have any of you run across the expression? > > T.Horst > >

Kashubians On 6/30/2011 9:50 PM, Elaine O'Neill wrote: > Not sure where they came from, but your last group would be "Kashub." My > mother was Polish and she used this term as well. > > > ElaineO > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Timothy Horst<horst_tim@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> I was born in North Dakota. My ancestors were all Germans who immigrated >> from Russia. Growing up, I remember my parents and grandparents referring to >> the Germans in North Dakota as belonging to three distinct groups: >> >> • Ein echter deutscher (a real German) >> • Swabians >> • Kachup (I'm not sure how to spell this nickname so I've spelled it as >> I remember it being spoken, pronounced CAW-CHEW-P) >> >> It is pretty clear that the "real Germans" immigrated directly from Germany >> to the United States and that the Swabians are those folks who originally >> came from the Southern part of Germany (Wurttemberg and Swabia) prior to >> emigrating to Russia and then the United States. >> >> I believe the "Kachup" were those folks who originally came from Northern >> Germany (Prussia and German held Poland) prior to emigrating to Russia and >> then the United States. >> >> While I can find lots of material on Swabians and their history, I have not >> been able to find any reference material on the origins or even the correct >> spelling of the folks nicknamed "Kachup". >> >> Have any of you run across the expression? >> >> T.Horst >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu