Hi Judy If you'd like to talk. I am happy to arrange a time to offer some ideas on options and ideas (email is too narrow for a real discourse).. Without a town looking for your grandfather will obviously be a problem... but you can find needles in haystacks. I just found one of mine. If you are interested in that story it is here: http://www.many-roads.com/2011/09/20/auguste-alvina-caroline-kunz/ Viel Glueck beim forschen! ...mark (Mark Rabideau) ManyRoads Family Genealogist (Rabideau-Henss Family) *Visit us at: http://many-roads.com <http://many-roads.com/> * *Snail mail at: *711 Nob Hill Trail - Franktown,CO USA - 80116-8717 *phone:*+1.303.660.9400 *fax:*+1.303.660.9217 *member:*Association of Professional Genealogists & National Genealogical Society _____________________________________________________________________ *"It's always useful to know where a friend-and-relation is, whether you want him or whether you don't."* Rabbit, Pooh's Little Instruction Book (Winnie the Pooh) On 09/30/2011 04:41 PM, judy petersen wrote: > I have the same problem with my gr grandfather Charles Herzog, b. 1862 > Silesia. His 1892 naturalization record showed his country of allegiance > was Germany, but I have no village name. He died in 1917. Plenty of info > on his years in Chicago, but no idea where or how to look for him in > Silesia. I'm also interested in any ideas on how to approach this. > Judy > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Mary Ellen Chambers<maryln61@yahoo.com>wrote: > >> My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but >> have not >> had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on >> the >> few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New >> England! >> We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to >> 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to >> 1864 >> in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not >> start >> until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y >> OH. >> My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 >> but >> her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from >> Bayonne. >> Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His >> name >> John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. >> I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some >> areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the >> various >> areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even >> though >> there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give us a >> more >> defined area to search. >> It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various >> spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that >> the >> part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I >> have >> a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. >> Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place >> of >> birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using >> it be >> better define that part??? >> Would anyone on the list have any ideas? >> My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 >> Crestline >> Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and >> on >> other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. >> Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD >> back >> to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising >> Sun, >> Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. >> >> Mary Ellen Chambers >> Lakewood, OH >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks. So far, I don't have funds to search in German archives, & I don't speak German. Mostly, I keep hoping that my gr grandfather had sibblings who may have had descendants who might recognize the name or info. Since I'm working on all branches of my family at the same time, I just keep going back to the brick walls periodically to see what's new. I'm pretty much stuck with email for the forseeable future. Thanks anyway. Judy On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Mark F Rabideau <genealogy@eirenicon.org>wrote: > Hi Judy > > If you'd like to talk. I am happy to arrange a time to offer some ideas > on options and ideas (email is too narrow for a real discourse).. > > Without a town looking for your grandfather will obviously be a > problem... but you can find needles in haystacks. I just found one of > mine. If you are interested in that story it is here: > http://www.many-roads.com/2011/09/20/auguste-alvina-caroline-kunz/ > > Viel Glueck beim forschen! > > ...mark (Mark Rabideau) > > ManyRoads Family Genealogist (Rabideau-Henss Family) > *Visit us at: http://many-roads.com <http://many-roads.com/> * > *Snail mail at: *711 Nob Hill Trail - Franktown,CO USA - 80116-8717 > *phone:*+1.303.660.9400 *fax:*+1.303.660.9217 > *member:*Association of Professional Genealogists & National > Genealogical Society > _____________________________________________________________________ > *"It's always useful to know where a friend-and-relation is, whether you > want him or whether you don't."* > > Rabbit, Pooh's Little Instruction Book (Winnie the Pooh) > > > > > On 09/30/2011 04:41 PM, judy petersen wrote: > > I have the same problem with my gr grandfather Charles Herzog, b. 1862 > > Silesia. His 1892 naturalization record showed his country of allegiance > > was Germany, but I have no village name. He died in 1917. Plenty of > info > > on his years in Chicago, but no idea where or how to look for him in > > Silesia. I'm also interested in any ideas on how to approach this. > > Judy > > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Mary Ellen Chambers<maryln61@yahoo.com > >wrote: > > > >> My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but > >> have not > >> had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is > on > >> the > >> few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New > >> England! > >> We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 > to > >> 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 > to > >> 1864 > >> in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did > not > >> start > >> until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count > y > >> OH. > >> My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born > 1845 > >> but > >> her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from > >> Bayonne. > >> Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". > His > >> name > >> John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. > >> I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for > some > >> areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the > >> various > >> areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even > >> though > >> there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give > us a > >> more > >> defined area to search. > >> It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS > (various > >> spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told > that > >> the > >> part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. > I > >> have > >> a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. > >> Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his > place > >> of > >> birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would > using > >> it be > >> better define that part??? > >> Would anyone on the list have any ideas? > >> My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 > >> Crestline > >> Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS > and > >> on > >> other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. > >> Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is > MD > >> back > >> to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising > >> Sun, > >> Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. > >> > >> Mary Ellen Chambers > >> Lakewood, OH > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I had a similar problem in that the best information about my immigrant ancestors that I could find in the ship's passenger manifest was that my Weiss ancestor was from Prussia with no indication of where in Prussia. However, my great-grandparents had settled in New Orleans in 1855 and they had three children in the next few years. I was able to find copies of the Louisiana birth certificates issued to the three, and two of the certificates listed the town, Altenkirchen, as the town where the child's mother had been born. I had no idea at the time that I would find such information in the Louisiana birth records but lucked out. Frank Weihs -----Original Message----- From: judy petersen Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 3:48 PM To: genealogy@eirenicon.org ; prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch Thanks. So far, I don't have funds to search in German archives, & I don't speak German. Mostly, I keep hoping that my gr grandfather had sibblings who may have had descendants who might recognize the name or info. Since I'm working on all branches of my family at the same time, I just keep going back to the brick walls periodically to see what's new. I'm pretty much stuck with email for the forseeable future. Thanks anyway. Judy On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Mark F Rabideau <genealogy@eirenicon.org>wrote: > Hi Judy > > If you'd like to talk. I am happy to arrange a time to offer some ideas > on options and ideas (email is too narrow for a real discourse).. > > Without a town looking for your grandfather will obviously be a > problem... but you can find needles in haystacks. I just found one of > mine. If you are interested in that story it is here: > http://www.many-roads.com/2011/09/20/auguste-alvina-caroline-kunz/ > > Viel Glueck beim forschen! > > ...mark (Mark Rabideau) > > ManyRoads Family Genealogist (Rabideau-Henss Family) > *Visit us at: http://many-roads.com <http://many-roads.com/> * > *Snail mail at: *711 Nob Hill Trail - Franktown,CO USA - 80116-8717 > *phone:*+1.303.660.9400 *fax:*+1.303.660.9217 > *member:*Association of Professional Genealogists & National > Genealogical Society > _____________________________________________________________________ > *"It's always useful to know where a friend-and-relation is, whether you > want him or whether you don't."* > > Rabbit, Pooh's Little Instruction Book (Winnie the Pooh) > > > > > On 09/30/2011 04:41 PM, judy petersen wrote: > > I have the same problem with my gr grandfather Charles Herzog, b. 1862 > > Silesia. His 1892 naturalization record showed his country of > > allegiance > > was Germany, but I have no village name. He died in 1917. Plenty of > info > > on his years in Chicago, but no idea where or how to look for him in > > Silesia. I'm also interested in any ideas on how to approach this. > > Judy > > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Mary Ellen Chambers<maryln61@yahoo.com > >wrote: > > > >> My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia > >> but > >> have not > >> had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is > on > >> the > >> few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New > >> England! > >> We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. > >> 1850 > to > >> 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 > to > >> 1864 > >> in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did > not > >> start > >> until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count > y > >> OH. > >> My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born > 1845 > >> but > >> her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from > >> Bayonne. > >> Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". > His > >> name > >> John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. > >> I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for > some > >> areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the > >> various > >> areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even > >> though > >> there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give > us a > >> more > >> defined area to search. > >> It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS > (various > >> spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told > that > >> the > >> part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. > I > >> have > >> a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. > >> Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his > place > >> of > >> birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would > using > >> it be > >> better define that part??? > >> Would anyone on the list have any ideas? > >> My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 > >> Crestline > >> Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS > and > >> on > >> other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. > >> Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It > >> is > MD > >> back > >> to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in > >> Rising > >> Sun, > >> Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. > >> > >> Mary Ellen Chambers > >> Lakewood, OH > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message