Judy, do you know when he arrived in America ? Stefan Rückling ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy petersen" <skigranny@gmail.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch >I have the same problem with my gr grandfather Charles Herzog, b. 1862 > Silesia. His 1892 naturalization record showed his country of allegiance > was Germany, but I have no village name. He died in 1917. Plenty of info > on his years in Chicago, but no idea where or how to look for him in > Silesia. I'm also interested in any ideas on how to approach this. > Judy > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Mary Ellen Chambers > <maryln61@yahoo.com>wrote: > >> My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but >> have not >> had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on >> the >> few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New >> England! >> We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 >> to >> 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to >> 1864 >> in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not >> start >> until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y >> OH. >> My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born >> 1845 >> but >> her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census & her mother from >> Bayonne. >> Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". >> His >> name >> John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. >> I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for >> some >> areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the >> various >> areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even >> though >> there may be numerous men with the same given & surname, it might give us >> a >> more >> defined area to search. >> It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various >> spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told >> that >> the >> part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. >> I >> have >> a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. >> Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place >> of >> birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using >> it be >> better define that part??? >> Would anyone on the list have any ideas? >> My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 >> Crestline >> Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS >> and >> on >> other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. >> Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is >> MD >> back >> to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising >> Sun, >> Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. >> >> Mary Ellen Chambers >> Lakewood, OH >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No. I could not find a passenger list for him, only his 1992 naturalization record. I don't even know whether he came alone or with family. He married my gr grandmother on May 26, 1886, so it must have been before that. I've just started pecking away at that brick wall. Judy 2011/9/30 Stefan Rückling <rueckling@gmx.de> > Judy, > > do you know when he arrived in America ? > > Stefan Rückling > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "judy petersen" <skigranny@gmail.com> > To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:41 AM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > > >I have the same problem with my gr grandfather Charles Herzog, b. 1862 > > Silesia. His 1892 naturalization record showed his country of allegiance > > was Germany, but I have no village name. He died in 1917. Plenty of > info > > on his years in Chicago, but no idea where or how to look for him in > > Silesia. I'm also interested in any ideas on how to approach this. > > Judy > > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Mary Ellen Chambers > > <maryln61@yahoo.com>wrote: > > > >> My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but > >> have not > >> had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is > on > >> the > >> few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New > >> England! > >> We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 > >> to > >> 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 > to > >> 1864 > >> in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did > not > >> start > >> until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count > y > >> OH. > >> My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born > >> 1845 > >> but > >> her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census & her mother from > >> Bayonne. > >> Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". > >> His > >> name > >> John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. > >> I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for > >> some > >> areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the > >> various > >> areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even > >> though > >> there may be numerous men with the same given & surname, it might give > us > >> a > >> more > >> defined area to search. > >> It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS > (various > >> spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told > >> that > >> the > >> part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. > >> I > >> have > >> a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. > >> Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his > place > >> of > >> birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would > using > >> it be > >> better define that part??? > >> Would anyone on the list have any ideas? > >> My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 > >> Crestline > >> Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS > >> and > >> on > >> other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. > >> Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is > >> MD > >> back > >> to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising > >> Sun, > >> Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. > >> > >> Mary Ellen Chambers > >> Lakewood, OH > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >