There is a larger database that I don't have on this computer and will try to send it later. Do you also know about the Poznan marriage project database? http://bindweed.man.poznan.pl/posen/search.php On 9/29/2011 1:21 PM, Stefan Rückling wrote: > Lorene, > > the link you've send http://www.ptg.gda.pl/index.php/default/lang/en-utf-8/ > is very interesting. I didn't know this link before. But it contains only > West Prussia, and not all the other parts of Prussia (such as East Prussia, > Pomerania, Posen, Silesia, Brandenburg, Berlin, province of Sachsen, > Hannover, Rhineland, Palatine, etc.) > > Mary, > > Yes, you are right. Yo needed a pass to change your place. You also needed a > permission to leave your home and to emmigrate. Many of these permissions > survived the war and are in several Archives. But the problem is: Prussia > was very big, each region of Prussia has his own Archive today. Where you > should begin ????? > > Did you already played with the German Emmigration Database ? > http://www.dad-recherche.de/hmb/index_engl.asp > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:59 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > > Stefan~ > Thank you so much. Will "play" around with this site to see if anything > jumps up. I did try the Breman departures to Baltimore but they are way too > late for my g grandfather. He would have emigrated about 1850 to 1855, maybe > 16 > yrs of age or so. > I was also told that in 19th century Germany, a person had to have a pass > to travel from one place to another. These passes survived WW II. If this is > so, where might one find an index or data re: them?? > > Mary Ellen > > > > ________________________________ > From: Stefan Rückling<rueckling@gmx.de> > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 12:16:43 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > There is no central index. You have to search in each civil register > separately. That whould be impossible. > > Many immigrants told in America "born in Prussia" but really they were born > in another country which is unknown in America. So they told "Prussia". > > I checked the German Emmigration-Database: No result. > > But try on this site: http://www.passagierlisten.de/ (also in English > available) > If you write Lübbens (which is a similar pronunciation to Libbens) you will > find a person called Gesche Lübbens from Hannover who emmigrated in 1845. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > > Stefan~ > The part of the change over data was given to my cousin when he was > studying in Rome. He spent time trying to find our g grandfather on holidays > in > Prussia area. Kept getting directed to Belgium and the commonality of the > surname there. Interesting. > Therefore, it would behove us to perhaps concentrate on the Rhineland& > those parts of the Palatine returned to Prussia after Napoleon's defeat. > Where > might we find an index of civil births for that area circa 1830-1840? > Thank you so much. > > Mary Ellen > > > > ________________________________ > From: Stefan Rückling<rueckling@gmx.de> > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:42:26 AM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor > Research > > Mary, > > Belgium was never part of Prussia. > > France occupated at the end of the 18th century the Rhineland (Rheinland) > and the Palatine (Pfalz). Then Napoleon imported the civil registers in this > occupated region, so these registers begin 1792. After Napoleons defeat > (1815) Prussia get the Rhineland and parts of the Palatine. The Prussian > government continued the civil registers. In all other parts of Prussia they > begin in 1874 and in the rest of Germany in 1876. > > The birth place "Prussia" is really not very specific so it's very hard to > find the region where your ancestor came from. > > Sincerely, > > Stefan > > www.rueckling.de > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research > > > My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not > had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the > few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New > England! > We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to > 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to > 1864 > in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not > start > until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. > My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 > but > her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from > Bayonne. > Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His > name > John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. > I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some > areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the various > areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even though > there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give us a > more > defined area to search. > It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various > spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that > the > part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I > have > a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. > Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of > birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using it > be > better define that part??? > Would anyone on the list have any ideas? > My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline > Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on > other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. > Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back > to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, > Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > Lakewood, OH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu
Yes, I heard about it, but i had it already forgotten :-) I've saved the link now ! Thanks, Stefan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorene Seman" <lmseman@wisc.edu> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch There is a larger database that I don't have on this computer and will try to send it later. Do you also know about the Poznan marriage project database? http://bindweed.man.poznan.pl/posen/search.php On 9/29/2011 1:21 PM, Stefan Rückling wrote: > Lorene, > > the link you've send > http://www.ptg.gda.pl/index.php/default/lang/en-utf-8/ > is very interesting. I didn't know this link before. But it contains only > West Prussia, and not all the other parts of Prussia (such as East > Prussia, > Pomerania, Posen, Silesia, Brandenburg, Berlin, province of Sachsen, > Hannover, Rhineland, Palatine, etc.) > > Mary, > > Yes, you are right. Yo needed a pass to change your place. You also needed > a > permission to leave your home and to emmigrate. Many of these permissions > survived the war and are in several Archives. But the problem is: Prussia > was very big, each region of Prussia has his own Archive today. Where you > should begin ????? > > Did you already played with the German Emmigration Database ? > http://www.dad-recherche.de/hmb/index_engl.asp > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:59 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > > Stefan~ > Thank you so much. Will "play" around with this site to see if anything > jumps up. I did try the Breman departures to Baltimore but they are way > too > late for my g grandfather. He would have emigrated about 1850 to 1855, > maybe > 16 > yrs of age or so. > I was also told that in 19th century Germany, a person had to have a pass > to travel from one place to another. These passes survived WW II. If this > is > so, where might one find an index or data re: them?? > > Mary Ellen > > > > ________________________________ > From: Stefan Rückling<rueckling@gmx.de> > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 12:16:43 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > There is no central index. You have to search in each civil register > separately. That whould be impossible. > > Many immigrants told in America "born in Prussia" but really they were > born > in another country which is unknown in America. So they told "Prussia". > > I checked the German Emmigration-Database: No result. > > But try on this site: http://www.passagierlisten.de/ (also in English > available) > If you write Lübbens (which is a similar pronunciation to Libbens) you > will > find a person called Gesche Lübbens from Hannover who emmigrated in 1845. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > > Stefan~ > The part of the change over data was given to my cousin when he was > studying in Rome. He spent time trying to find our g grandfather on > holidays > in > Prussia area. Kept getting directed to Belgium and the commonality of the > surname there. Interesting. > Therefore, it would behove us to perhaps concentrate on the Rhineland& > those parts of the Palatine returned to Prussia after Napoleon's defeat. > Where > might we find an index of civil births for that area circa 1830-1840? > Thank you so much. > > Mary Ellen > > > > ________________________________ > From: Stefan Rückling<rueckling@gmx.de> > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:42:26 AM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor > Research > > Mary, > > Belgium was never part of Prussia. > > France occupated at the end of the 18th century the Rhineland (Rheinland) > and the Palatine (Pfalz). Then Napoleon imported the civil registers in > this > occupated region, so these registers begin 1792. After Napoleons defeat > (1815) Prussia get the Rhineland and parts of the Palatine. The Prussian > government continued the civil registers. In all other parts of Prussia > they > begin in 1874 and in the rest of Germany in 1876. > > The birth place "Prussia" is really not very specific so it's very hard to > find the region where your ancestor came from. > > Sincerely, > > Stefan > > www.rueckling.de > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research > > > My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not > had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on > the > few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New > England! > We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to > 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to > 1864 > in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not > start > until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y > OH. > My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 > but > her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from > Bayonne. > Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His > name > John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. > I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some > areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the > various > areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even > though > there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give us > a > more > defined area to search. > It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various > spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that > the > part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I > have > a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. > Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place > of > birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using > it > be > better define that part??? > Would anyone on the list have any ideas? > My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline > Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and > on > other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. > Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back > to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising > Sun, > Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > Lakewood, OH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message