Hi Mark: I would like to get address books for Podjass or Misciewitz for the mid 1800s. Do you know where I can find these? Thanks. On 9/30/2011 7:35 AM, Mark F Rabideau wrote: > If you are not familiar with Prussia or its history there is always > wikipedia or you can read some of my 20GBs of source materials, maps, > addressbooks etc. They may be found her: > http://www.many-roads.com/libraries/prussia-histories/ > > Viel glueck beim forschen. > > Pax Vobiscum, > ...mark (Mark Rabideau) > > ManyRoads Family Genealogist (Rabideau-Henss Family) > *Visit us at: http://many-roads.com<http://many-roads.com/> * > *Snail mail at: *711 Nob Hill Trail - Franktown,CO USA - 80116-8717 > *phone:*+1.303.660.9400 *fax:*+1.303.660.9217 > *member:*Association of Professional Genealogists& National > Genealogical Society > _____________________________________________________________________ > *"It’s always useful to know where a friend-and-relation is, whether you > want him or whether you don’t."* > > Rabbit, Pooh’s Little Instruction Book (Winnie the Pooh) > > > > > On 09/29/2011 08:46 PM, Robert Copeland wrote: > >> West Prussia was simply west of East Prussia and east of Mark Brandenburg. Quite a long way from western Germany or northern France. As I recall, its capital was Danzig (now Gdansk). >> bob >> >> >> Robert M. Copeland >> Professor of Music >> Director of Choral Activities >> Geneva College >> Beaver Falls, PA 15010 >> 724-847-6665 >> rmc@geneva.edu >> >> "Where all think alike, nobody thinks very much."---Walter Lippman >> ________________________________________ >> From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Augusta Elmwood [augustae@bellsouth.net] >> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 17:46 >> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch >> >> Mary Ellen, >> >> If it’s any help, I believe there was a West Preussen, which was actually disconnected from Prussia and located more in western Germany, towards northern France... which might explain the prevalence of the name in Belgium. My knowledge of this history is sketchy, but maybe someone on the list can confirm (or negate) this& give more details. >> >> Good luck, it’s SO hard looking for those needles in the haystack, isn’t it?? >> >> Augusta Elmwood >> >> From: Mary Ellen Chambers >> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:58 >> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch >> >> Stefan~ >> The part of the change over data was given to my cousin when he was >> studying in Rome. He spent time trying to find our g grandfather on holidays in >> Prussia area. Kept getting directed to Belgium and the commonality of the >> surname there. Interesting. >> Therefore, it would behove us to perhaps concentrate on the Rhineland& >> those parts of the Palatine returned to Prussia after Napoleon's defeat. Where >> might we find an index of civil births for that area circa 1830-1840? >> Thank you so much. >> >> Mary Ellen >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Stefan Rückling<rueckling@gmx.de> >> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:42:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research >> >> Mary, >> >> Belgium was never part of Prussia. >> >> France occupated at the end of the 18th century the Rhineland (Rheinland) >> and the Palatine (Pfalz). Then Napoleon imported the civil registers in this >> occupated region, so these registers begin 1792. After Napoleons defeat >> (1815) Prussia get the Rhineland and parts of the Palatine. The Prussian >> government continued the civil registers. In all other parts of Prussia they >> begin in 1874 and in the rest of Germany in 1876. >> >> The birth place "Prussia" is really not very specific so it's very hard to >> find the region where your ancestor came from. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Stefan >> >> www.rueckling.de >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> >> To:<PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM >> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research >> >> >> My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not >> had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the >> few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New >> England! >> We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to >> 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to >> 1864 >> in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not >> start >> until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. >> My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 >> but >> her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from >> Bayonne. >> Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His >> name >> John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. >> I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some >> areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the various >> areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even though >> there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give us a >> more >> defined area to search. >> It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various >> spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that >> the >> part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I >> have >> a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. >> Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of >> birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using it >> be >> better define that part??? >> Would anyone on the list have any ideas? >> My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline >> Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on >> other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. >> Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back >> to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, >> Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. >> >> Mary Ellen Chambers >> Lakewood, OH >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu

If you are not familiar with Prussia or its history there is always wikipedia or you can read some of my 20GBs of source materials, maps, addressbooks etc. They may be found her: http://www.many-roads.com/libraries/prussia-histories/ Viel glueck beim forschen. Pax Vobiscum, ...mark (Mark Rabideau) ManyRoads Family Genealogist (Rabideau-Henss Family) *Visit us at: http://many-roads.com <http://many-roads.com/> * *Snail mail at: *711 Nob Hill Trail - Franktown,CO USA - 80116-8717 *phone:*+1.303.660.9400 *fax:*+1.303.660.9217 *member:*Association of Professional Genealogists & National Genealogical Society _____________________________________________________________________ *"It’s always useful to know where a friend-and-relation is, whether you want him or whether you don’t."* Rabbit, Pooh’s Little Instruction Book (Winnie the Pooh) On 09/29/2011 08:46 PM, Robert Copeland wrote: > West Prussia was simply west of East Prussia and east of Mark Brandenburg. Quite a long way from western Germany or northern France. As I recall, its capital was Danzig (now Gdansk). > bob > > > Robert M. Copeland > Professor of Music > Director of Choral Activities > Geneva College > Beaver Falls, PA 15010 > 724-847-6665 > rmc@geneva.edu > > "Where all think alike, nobody thinks very much."---Walter Lippman > ________________________________________ > From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Augusta Elmwood [augustae@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 17:46 > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch > > Mary Ellen, > > If it’s any help, I believe there was a West Preussen, which was actually disconnected from Prussia and located more in western Germany, towards northern France... which might explain the prevalence of the name in Belgium. My knowledge of this history is sketchy, but maybe someone on the list can confirm (or negate) this& give more details. > > Good luck, it’s SO hard looking for those needles in the haystack, isn’t it?? > > Augusta Elmwood > > From: Mary Ellen Chambers > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:58 > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch > > Stefan~ > The part of the change over data was given to my cousin when he was > studying in Rome. He spent time trying to find our g grandfather on holidays in > Prussia area. Kept getting directed to Belgium and the commonality of the > surname there. Interesting. > Therefore, it would behove us to perhaps concentrate on the Rhineland& > those parts of the Palatine returned to Prussia after Napoleon's defeat. Where > might we find an index of civil births for that area circa 1830-1840? > Thank you so much. > > Mary Ellen > > > > ________________________________ > From: Stefan Rückling<rueckling@gmx.de> > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:42:26 AM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research > > Mary, > > Belgium was never part of Prussia. > > France occupated at the end of the 18th century the Rhineland (Rheinland) > and the Palatine (Pfalz). Then Napoleon imported the civil registers in this > occupated region, so these registers begin 1792. After Napoleons defeat > (1815) Prussia get the Rhineland and parts of the Palatine. The Prussian > government continued the civil registers. In all other parts of Prussia they > begin in 1874 and in the rest of Germany in 1876. > > The birth place "Prussia" is really not very specific so it's very hard to > find the region where your ancestor came from. > > Sincerely, > > Stefan > > www.rueckling.de > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research > > > My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not > had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the > few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New > England! > We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to > 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to > 1864 > in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not > start > until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. > My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 > but > her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from > Bayonne. > Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His > name > John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. > I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some > areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the various > areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even though > there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give us a > more > defined area to search. > It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various > spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that > the > part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I > have > a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. > Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of > birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using it > be > better define that part??? > Would anyone on the list have any ideas? > My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline > Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on > other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. > Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back > to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, > Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > Lakewood, OH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Is this the same as one can search here? http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=4121 One needs to sign in (free) too access this database. Bronwyn. 2011/9/29 Stefan Rückling <rueckling@gmx.de>: > http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > Place search: Brandenburg > > and then search under "Emmigration". > > If you do this with Westpreussen you don't find such a card file of > Westprussian emmigrants. But there are several documents about persons who > left Westprussia. These documents (permission to leave the home) are in the > State Archive in Danzig (today Gdansk). > >  Stefan. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lorene Seman" <lmseman@wisc.edu> > To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:38 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > > Stefan:  How do you search this database?  I'd like to see if there are > records for my relatives, who left Hamburg in 1868, lived in Podjass > (today Podjazy) > > On 9/29/2011 1:56 PM, Stefan Rückling wrote: >> Mary, >> >> the LDS church has filmed the card file of emmigrants leaving  Brandenburg >> (central part of Prussia). >> http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=767068&disp=Auswanderungskartei >> &columns=*,0,0 >> >> The original cards are in Brandenburgisches Landeshauptarchiv in Potsdam >> (near Berlin, former capital of Prussia). >> >> Since in America your ancestor was written Libbons or Libbens I gues it >> could also be Lübbers which is a very common name. The American people >> don't >> know the german ü and understand i. >> >> If you pronounce "Lübbers" in German it sounds like "Libbors". So you have >> to play with many possibilities if you check a database. >> >> Stefan. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> >> To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia >> AncestorResearch >> >> >> Thank you Lorene. Will check this out. Took a glance at it, realize have a >> lot >> to go through. Maybe will delegate some to my siblings! >> >> Appreciate the avenues you and Stefen have suggested to pursue. >> >> Mary Ellen Chambers >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Lorene Seman<lmseman@wisc.edu> >> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:37:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor >> Research >> >> Here is a database of church records in Prussia. >> >> Go to PomGenBase If you find the family, I know of a guy who has CDs >> for sale with the actual records. >> >> http://www.ptg.gda.pl/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/29/2011 10:12 AM, Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: >> >>> My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have >>> not >>> had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on >>> the >>> few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New >>> England! >>> We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to >>> 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to >>> 1864 >>> in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not >>> >> start >> >>> until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y >>> OH. >>> My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born >>> 1845 >>> >> but >> >>> her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census&  her mother from >>> Bayonne. >>> >> >>> Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". >>> His >>> name >>> John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. >>> I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some >>> areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the >>> various >>> areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even >>> though >>> there may be numerous men with the same given&  surname, it might give us >>> a >>> more >>> defined area to search. >>> It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various >>> spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that >>> the >>> part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I >>> >> have >> >>> a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. >>> Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place >>> of >>> birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using >>> it >>> >> be >> >>> better define that part??? >>> Would anyone on the list have any ideas? >>> My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 >>> >> Crestline >> >>> Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and >>> on >>> other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. >>> Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD >>> back >>> to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising >>> Sun, >>> Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. >>> >>> Mary Ellen Chambers >>> Lakewood, OH >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> > > -- > Lorene Seman, MBA > Assistant Administrator > Department of Anesthesiology > School of Medicine and Public Health > University of Wisconsin > 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC > Madison, WI  53792-3272 > Voice:  (608)265-0588 > FAX:     (608)263-8111 > lmseman@wisc.edu > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

West Prussia was simply west of East Prussia and east of Mark Brandenburg. Quite a long way from western Germany or northern France. As I recall, its capital was Danzig (now Gdansk). bob Robert M. Copeland Professor of Music Director of Choral Activities Geneva College Beaver Falls, PA 15010 724-847-6665 rmc@geneva.edu "Where all think alike, nobody thinks very much."---Walter Lippman ________________________________________ From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Augusta Elmwood [augustae@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 17:46 To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch Mary Ellen, If it’s any help, I believe there was a West Preussen, which was actually disconnected from Prussia and located more in western Germany, towards northern France... which might explain the prevalence of the name in Belgium. My knowledge of this history is sketchy, but maybe someone on the list can confirm (or negate) this & give more details. Good luck, it’s SO hard looking for those needles in the haystack, isn’t it?? Augusta Elmwood From: Mary Ellen Chambers Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:58 To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch Stefan~ The part of the change over data was given to my cousin when he was studying in Rome. He spent time trying to find our g grandfather on holidays in Prussia area. Kept getting directed to Belgium and the commonality of the surname there. Interesting. Therefore, it would behove us to perhaps concentrate on the Rhineland & those parts of the Palatine returned to Prussia after Napoleon's defeat. Where might we find an index of civil births for that area circa 1830-1840? Thank you so much. Mary Ellen ________________________________ From: Stefan Rückling <rueckling@gmx.de> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:42:26 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research Mary, Belgium was never part of Prussia. France occupated at the end of the 18th century the Rhineland (Rheinland) and the Palatine (Pfalz). Then Napoleon imported the civil registers in this occupated region, so these registers begin 1792. After Napoleons defeat (1815) Prussia get the Rhineland and parts of the Palatine. The Prussian government continued the civil registers. In all other parts of Prussia they begin in 1874 and in the rest of Germany in 1876. The birth place "Prussia" is really not very specific so it's very hard to find the region where your ancestor came from. Sincerely, Stefan www.rueckling.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@yahoo.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New England! We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to 1864 in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not start until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 but her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census & her mother from Bayonne. Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His name John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the various areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even though there may be numerous men with the same given & surname, it might give us a more defined area to search. It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that the part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I have a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using it be better define that part??? Would anyone on the list have any ideas? My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Place search: Brandenburg and then search under "Emmigration". If you do this with Westpreussen you don't find such a card file of Westprussian emmigrants. But there are several documents about persons who left Westprussia. These documents (permission to leave the home) are in the State Archive in Danzig (today Gdansk). Stefan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorene Seman" <lmseman@wisc.edu> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch Stefan: How do you search this database? I'd like to see if there are records for my relatives, who left Hamburg in 1868, lived in Podjass (today Podjazy) On 9/29/2011 1:56 PM, Stefan Rückling wrote: > Mary, > > the LDS church has filmed the card file of emmigrants leaving Brandenburg > (central part of Prussia). > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=767068&disp=Auswanderungskartei > &columns=*,0,0 > > The original cards are in Brandenburgisches Landeshauptarchiv in Potsdam > (near Berlin, former capital of Prussia). > > Since in America your ancestor was written Libbons or Libbens I gues it > could also be Lübbers which is a very common name. The American people > don't > know the german ü and understand i. > > If you pronounce "Lübbers" in German it sounds like "Libbors". So you have > to play with many possibilities if you check a database. > > Stefan. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:05 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > > Thank you Lorene. Will check this out. Took a glance at it, realize have a > lot > to go through. Maybe will delegate some to my siblings! > > Appreciate the avenues you and Stefen have suggested to pursue. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lorene Seman<lmseman@wisc.edu> > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:37:58 AM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor > Research > > Here is a database of church records in Prussia. > > Go to PomGenBase If you find the family, I know of a guy who has CDs > for sale with the actual records. > > http://www.ptg.gda.pl/ > > > > > > > On 9/29/2011 10:12 AM, Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: > >> My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have >> not >> had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on >> the >> few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New >> England! >> We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to >> 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to >> 1864 >> in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not >> > start > >> until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y >> OH. >> My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born >> 1845 >> > but > >> her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from >> Bayonne. >> > >> Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". >> His >> name >> John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. >> I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some >> areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the >> various >> areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even >> though >> there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give us >> a >> more >> defined area to search. >> It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various >> spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that >> the >> part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I >> > have > >> a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. >> Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place >> of >> birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using >> it >> > be > >> better define that part??? >> Would anyone on the list have any ideas? >> My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 >> > Crestline > >> Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and >> on >> other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. >> Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD >> back >> to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising >> Sun, >> Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. >> >> Mary Ellen Chambers >> Lakewood, OH >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, I heard about it, but i had it already forgotten :-) I've saved the link now ! Thanks, Stefan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorene Seman" <lmseman@wisc.edu> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch There is a larger database that I don't have on this computer and will try to send it later. Do you also know about the Poznan marriage project database? http://bindweed.man.poznan.pl/posen/search.php On 9/29/2011 1:21 PM, Stefan Rückling wrote: > Lorene, > > the link you've send > http://www.ptg.gda.pl/index.php/default/lang/en-utf-8/ > is very interesting. I didn't know this link before. But it contains only > West Prussia, and not all the other parts of Prussia (such as East > Prussia, > Pomerania, Posen, Silesia, Brandenburg, Berlin, province of Sachsen, > Hannover, Rhineland, Palatine, etc.) > > Mary, > > Yes, you are right. Yo needed a pass to change your place. You also needed > a > permission to leave your home and to emmigrate. Many of these permissions > survived the war and are in several Archives. But the problem is: Prussia > was very big, each region of Prussia has his own Archive today. Where you > should begin ????? > > Did you already played with the German Emmigration Database ? > http://www.dad-recherche.de/hmb/index_engl.asp > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:59 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > > Stefan~ > Thank you so much. Will "play" around with this site to see if anything > jumps up. I did try the Breman departures to Baltimore but they are way > too > late for my g grandfather. He would have emigrated about 1850 to 1855, > maybe > 16 > yrs of age or so. > I was also told that in 19th century Germany, a person had to have a pass > to travel from one place to another. These passes survived WW II. If this > is > so, where might one find an index or data re: them?? > > Mary Ellen > > > > ________________________________ > From: Stefan Rückling<rueckling@gmx.de> > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 12:16:43 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > There is no central index. You have to search in each civil register > separately. That whould be impossible. > > Many immigrants told in America "born in Prussia" but really they were > born > in another country which is unknown in America. So they told "Prussia". > > I checked the German Emmigration-Database: No result. > > But try on this site: http://www.passagierlisten.de/ (also in English > available) > If you write Lübbens (which is a similar pronunciation to Libbens) you > will > find a person called Gesche Lübbens from Hannover who emmigrated in 1845. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > > Stefan~ > The part of the change over data was given to my cousin when he was > studying in Rome. He spent time trying to find our g grandfather on > holidays > in > Prussia area. Kept getting directed to Belgium and the commonality of the > surname there. Interesting. > Therefore, it would behove us to perhaps concentrate on the Rhineland& > those parts of the Palatine returned to Prussia after Napoleon's defeat. > Where > might we find an index of civil births for that area circa 1830-1840? > Thank you so much. > > Mary Ellen > > > > ________________________________ > From: Stefan Rückling<rueckling@gmx.de> > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:42:26 AM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor > Research > > Mary, > > Belgium was never part of Prussia. > > France occupated at the end of the 18th century the Rhineland (Rheinland) > and the Palatine (Pfalz). Then Napoleon imported the civil registers in > this > occupated region, so these registers begin 1792. After Napoleons defeat > (1815) Prussia get the Rhineland and parts of the Palatine. The Prussian > government continued the civil registers. In all other parts of Prussia > they > begin in 1874 and in the rest of Germany in 1876. > > The birth place "Prussia" is really not very specific so it's very hard to > find the region where your ancestor came from. > > Sincerely, > > Stefan > > www.rueckling.de > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research > > > My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not > had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on > the > few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New > England! > We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to > 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to > 1864 > in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not > start > until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y > OH. > My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 > but > her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from > Bayonne. > Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His > name > John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. > I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some > areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the > various > areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even > though > there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give us > a > more > defined area to search. > It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various > spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that > the > part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I > have > a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. > Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place > of > birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using > it > be > better define that part??? > Would anyone on the list have any ideas? > My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline > Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and > on > other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. > Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back > to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising > Sun, > Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > Lakewood, OH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, the LDS church has filmed the card file of emmigrants leaving Brandenburg (central part of Prussia). http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=767068&disp=Auswanderungskartei &columns=*,0,0 The original cards are in Brandenburgisches Landeshauptarchiv in Potsdam (near Berlin, former capital of Prussia). Since in America your ancestor was written Libbons or Libbens I gues it could also be Lübbers which is a very common name. The American people don't know the german ü and understand i. If you pronounce "Lübbers" in German it sounds like "Libbors". So you have to play with many possibilities if you check a database. Stefan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@yahoo.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch Thank you Lorene. Will check this out. Took a glance at it, realize have a lot to go through. Maybe will delegate some to my siblings! Appreciate the avenues you and Stefen have suggested to pursue. Mary Ellen Chambers ________________________________ From: Lorene Seman <lmseman@wisc.edu> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:37:58 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research Here is a database of church records in Prussia. Go to PomGenBase If you find the family, I know of a guy who has CDs for sale with the actual records. http://www.ptg.gda.pl/ On 9/29/2011 10:12 AM, Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: > My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have >not > had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on > the > few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New >England! > We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to > 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to > 1864 > in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not start > until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y > OH. > My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 but > her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from > Bayonne. > Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His >name > John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. > I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some > areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the > various > areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even > though > there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give us a >more > defined area to search. > It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various > spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that > the > part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I have > a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. > Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place > of > birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using > it be > better define that part??? > Would anyone on the list have any ideas? > My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline > Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and > on > other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. > Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD >back > to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising > Sun, > Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > Lakewood, OH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lorene, the link you've send http://www.ptg.gda.pl/index.php/default/lang/en-utf-8/ is very interesting. I didn't know this link before. But it contains only West Prussia, and not all the other parts of Prussia (such as East Prussia, Pomerania, Posen, Silesia, Brandenburg, Berlin, province of Sachsen, Hannover, Rhineland, Palatine, etc.) Mary, Yes, you are right. Yo needed a pass to change your place. You also needed a permission to leave your home and to emmigrate. Many of these permissions survived the war and are in several Archives. But the problem is: Prussia was very big, each region of Prussia has his own Archive today. Where you should begin ????? Did you already played with the German Emmigration Database ? http://www.dad-recherche.de/hmb/index_engl.asp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@yahoo.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch Stefan~ Thank you so much. Will "play" around with this site to see if anything jumps up. I did try the Breman departures to Baltimore but they are way too late for my g grandfather. He would have emigrated about 1850 to 1855, maybe 16 yrs of age or so. I was also told that in 19th century Germany, a person had to have a pass to travel from one place to another. These passes survived WW II. If this is so, where might one find an index or data re: them?? Mary Ellen ________________________________ From: Stefan Rückling <rueckling@gmx.de> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 12:16:43 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch There is no central index. You have to search in each civil register separately. That whould be impossible. Many immigrants told in America "born in Prussia" but really they were born in another country which is unknown in America. So they told "Prussia". I checked the German Emmigration-Database: No result. But try on this site: http://www.passagierlisten.de/ (also in English available) If you write Lübbens (which is a similar pronunciation to Libbens) you will find a person called Gesche Lübbens from Hannover who emmigrated in 1845. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@yahoo.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch Stefan~ The part of the change over data was given to my cousin when he was studying in Rome. He spent time trying to find our g grandfather on holidays in Prussia area. Kept getting directed to Belgium and the commonality of the surname there. Interesting. Therefore, it would behove us to perhaps concentrate on the Rhineland & those parts of the Palatine returned to Prussia after Napoleon's defeat. Where might we find an index of civil births for that area circa 1830-1840? Thank you so much. Mary Ellen ________________________________ From: Stefan Rückling <rueckling@gmx.de> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:42:26 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research Mary, Belgium was never part of Prussia. France occupated at the end of the 18th century the Rhineland (Rheinland) and the Palatine (Pfalz). Then Napoleon imported the civil registers in this occupated region, so these registers begin 1792. After Napoleons defeat (1815) Prussia get the Rhineland and parts of the Palatine. The Prussian government continued the civil registers. In all other parts of Prussia they begin in 1874 and in the rest of Germany in 1876. The birth place "Prussia" is really not very specific so it's very hard to find the region where your ancestor came from. Sincerely, Stefan www.rueckling.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@yahoo.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New England! We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to 1864 in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not start until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 but her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census & her mother from Bayonne. Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His name John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the various areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even though there may be numerous men with the same given & surname, it might give us a more defined area to search. It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that the part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I have a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using it be better define that part??? Would anyone on the list have any ideas? My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is no central index. You have to search in each civil register separately. That whould be impossible. Many immigrants told in America "born in Prussia" but really they were born in another country which is unknown in America. So they told "Prussia". I checked the German Emmigration-Database: No result. But try on this site: http://www.passagierlisten.de/ (also in English available) If you write Lübbens (which is a similar pronunciation to Libbens) you will find a person called Gesche Lübbens from Hannover who emmigrated in 1845. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@yahoo.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch Stefan~ The part of the change over data was given to my cousin when he was studying in Rome. He spent time trying to find our g grandfather on holidays in Prussia area. Kept getting directed to Belgium and the commonality of the surname there. Interesting. Therefore, it would behove us to perhaps concentrate on the Rhineland & those parts of the Palatine returned to Prussia after Napoleon's defeat. Where might we find an index of civil births for that area circa 1830-1840? Thank you so much. Mary Ellen ________________________________ From: Stefan Rückling <rueckling@gmx.de> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:42:26 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research Mary, Belgium was never part of Prussia. France occupated at the end of the 18th century the Rhineland (Rheinland) and the Palatine (Pfalz). Then Napoleon imported the civil registers in this occupated region, so these registers begin 1792. After Napoleons defeat (1815) Prussia get the Rhineland and parts of the Palatine. The Prussian government continued the civil registers. In all other parts of Prussia they begin in 1874 and in the rest of Germany in 1876. The birth place "Prussia" is really not very specific so it's very hard to find the region where your ancestor came from. Sincerely, Stefan www.rueckling.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@yahoo.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New England! We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to 1864 in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not start until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 but her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census & her mother from Bayonne. Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His name John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the various areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even though there may be numerous men with the same given & surname, it might give us a more defined area to search. It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that the part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I have a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using it be better define that part??? Would anyone on the list have any ideas? My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. 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Podjass belonged to the civil office of Sullenschin too. The civil registers of Sullenschin are filmed by the Mormons (only 1874-1883). The other civil registers are in the State Archive of Danzig (if they are more than 100 years old). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorene Seman" <lmseman@wisc.edu> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia Catholic. I have found the records in the Churches there. However, I'm interested in the civil registrations because some of the church records contain very little information, such as no information about parents in the case of marriage. This information says they have been microfilmed by LDS but I cannot locate any information on LDS. Has anyone successfully accessed civil registration on LDS for Poland? Poland's excellent system of civil registration of vital records (birth, marriage and death records) is the best in Eastern Europe --- better than most U.S. States. In what became the Kingdom of Poland (/Królestwo Polskie/ = Congress Poland = "Russian Poland"), civil registration began in 1808, and most of the records survive to this day. These documents are extremely informative --- for example, a birth registration usually contains the names and ages of both parents, the date, time and place of birth, the father's occupation, and often both grandfathers' given names. These records are kept in many different branches of the Polish State Archives and Civil Records Offices across Poland. Many of those in the Archives have been microfilmed, and are thus available for viewing around the world. Vital records *less than 100 years old* are most often still in each town's town hall, and records *more than 100 years old* are at one of the Polish State Archives regional branches. Most existing records before 1880 have been microfilmed by the LDS. On 9/29/2011 10:28 AM, Stefan Rückling wrote: > Lorene, > > Podjass belonged to the parish Sullenschin. > > What confession you are looking for ? Protestant or catholic ? Both church > registers where filmed by the LDS church: > > Catholic church registers: 1706-1938. > Protestant church registers: only 1863-1878 (other Protestant church > registers are destroyed). > > Tax purposes and other documents of Podjass are in the State Archive in > Danzig (Gdansk). > > Sincerely, > > Stefan Rückling > > www.rueckling.de > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lorene Seman"<lmseman@wisc.edu> > To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia > > > Thanks. I'm looking for earlier records. My ancestors left in 1868, > lived in Podjass (Podjazy), a small village of about 150 people. Do you > know whether any exist for the earlier time period? Would villages have > taken census for tax purposes? > > On 9/29/2011 2:32 AM, Stefan Rückling wrote: > >> Lorene, >> >> since the 01 Oct. 1874 there were civil records in Prussia. Which >> village/town and years are you exactly looking for ? >> >> The LDS church has microfilmed the civil registers of the town Karthaus >> (today Kartuzy) until 1883. The records from 1874 to 1906 are in the >> State >> Archive in Danzig (today Gdansk) and the records after 1906 in the Civil >> Registration Office of Karthaus. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Stefan Rückling >> >> www.rueckling.de >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Armstrong"<davidrli@iinet.net.au> >> To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia >> >> >> >> >>> Lorene >>> >>> Civil Registration as the rest of the world calls it was extended to >>> those >>> areas of Germany that didn't already have it in 1876. Some states >>> started >>> in 1792. >>> >>> < https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Germany_Civil_Registration> >>> >>> Some of these records were microfilmed in 1985 by the LDS and can be >>> ordered into your local LDS library for a nominal sum. >>> >>> http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp?PAGE=library_fhc_find.asp >>> >>> There are two in Madison: >>> >>> Madison Wisconsin >>> 4505 Regent St >>> Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States >>> Phone: 608-238-4844 >>> Hours: T 9am-9pm; Th 9am-12pm& 6pm-9pm; Sat 9am-12pm. >>> Closed: Nov 27 - Dec 1; Dec. 23 - Jan 5 >>> >>> Wisconsin Historical Society >>> 816 State St >>> Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States >>> Phone: 608-264-6536 >>> Hours: Mon-Fri 8am-5pm; Sat 9am-4pm >>> Attention: Microfilms from the Church can be ordered at this historical >>> society >>> >>> >>> >>> David Armstrong >>> Maylands, >>> Western Australia >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Lorene Seman >>> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:14 PM >>> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia >>> >>> >>> Does anyone know whether vital records exist in Prussia? I know there >>> are church records, such as baptism, marriage, death. What about vital >>> records, similar to birth certificates, marriage certificates and death >>> certificates here in the U.S.? This would be for the Kartuzy area. I >>> seem to recall reading that these exist and they contain more >>> information than the church records. Thanks. >>> >>> Lorene Seman, MBA >>> Assistant Administrator >>> Department of Anesthesiology >>> School of Medicine and Public Health >>> University of Wisconsin >>> 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC >>> Madison, WI 53792-3272 >>> Voice: (608)265-0588 >>> FAX: (608)263-8111 >>> lmseman@wisc.edu >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, Belgium was never part of Prussia. France occupated at the end of the 18th century the Rhineland (Rheinland) and the Palatine (Pfalz). Then Napoleon imported the civil registers in this occupated region, so these registers begin 1792. After Napoleons defeat (1815) Prussia get the Rhineland and parts of the Palatine. The Prussian government continued the civil registers. In all other parts of Prussia they begin in 1874 and in the rest of Germany in 1876. The birth place "Prussia" is really not very specific so it's very hard to find the region where your ancestor came from. Sincerely, Stefan www.rueckling.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@yahoo.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New England! We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to 1864 in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not start until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 but her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census & her mother from Bayonne. Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His name John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the various areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even though there may be numerous men with the same given & surname, it might give us a more defined area to search. It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that the part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I have a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using it be better define that part??? Would anyone on the list have any ideas? My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lorene, Podjass belonged to the parish Sullenschin. What confession you are looking for ? Protestant or catholic ? Both church registers where filmed by the LDS church: Catholic church registers: 1706-1938. Protestant church registers: only 1863-1878 (other Protestant church registers are destroyed). Tax purposes and other documents of Podjass are in the State Archive in Danzig (Gdansk). Sincerely, Stefan Rückling www.rueckling.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorene Seman" <lmseman@wisc.edu> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia Thanks. I'm looking for earlier records. My ancestors left in 1868, lived in Podjass (Podjazy), a small village of about 150 people. Do you know whether any exist for the earlier time period? Would villages have taken census for tax purposes? On 9/29/2011 2:32 AM, Stefan Rückling wrote: > Lorene, > > since the 01 Oct. 1874 there were civil records in Prussia. Which > village/town and years are you exactly looking for ? > > The LDS church has microfilmed the civil registers of the town Karthaus > (today Kartuzy) until 1883. The records from 1874 to 1906 are in the State > Archive in Danzig (today Gdansk) and the records after 1906 in the Civil > Registration Office of Karthaus. > > Sincerely, > > Stefan Rückling > > www.rueckling.de > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Armstrong"<davidrli@iinet.net.au> > To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:12 AM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia > > > >> Lorene >> >> Civil Registration as the rest of the world calls it was extended to >> those >> areas of Germany that didn't already have it in 1876. Some states >> started >> in 1792. >> >> < https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Germany_Civil_Registration> >> >> Some of these records were microfilmed in 1985 by the LDS and can be >> ordered into your local LDS library for a nominal sum. >> >> http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp?PAGE=library_fhc_find.asp >> >> There are two in Madison: >> >> Madison Wisconsin >> 4505 Regent St >> Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States >> Phone: 608-238-4844 >> Hours: T 9am-9pm; Th 9am-12pm& 6pm-9pm; Sat 9am-12pm. >> Closed: Nov 27 - Dec 1; Dec. 23 - Jan 5 >> >> Wisconsin Historical Society >> 816 State St >> Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States >> Phone: 608-264-6536 >> Hours: Mon-Fri 8am-5pm; Sat 9am-4pm >> Attention: Microfilms from the Church can be ordered at this historical >> society >> >> >> >> David Armstrong >> Maylands, >> Western Australia >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Lorene Seman >> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:14 PM >> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia >> >> >> Does anyone know whether vital records exist in Prussia? I know there >> are church records, such as baptism, marriage, death. What about vital >> records, similar to birth certificates, marriage certificates and death >> certificates here in the U.S.? This would be for the Kartuzy area. I >> seem to recall reading that these exist and they contain more >> information than the church records. Thanks. >> >> Lorene Seman, MBA >> Assistant Administrator >> Department of Anesthesiology >> School of Medicine and Public Health >> University of Wisconsin >> 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC >> Madison, WI 53792-3272 >> Voice: (608)265-0588 >> FAX: (608)263-8111 >> lmseman@wisc.edu >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Ellen, If it’s any help, I believe there was a West Preussen, which was actually disconnected from Prussia and located more in western Germany, towards northern France... which might explain the prevalence of the name in Belgium. My knowledge of this history is sketchy, but maybe someone on the list can confirm (or negate) this & give more details. Good luck, it’s SO hard looking for those needles in the haystack, isn’t it?? Augusta Elmwood From: Mary Ellen Chambers Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 10:58 To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch Stefan~ The part of the change over data was given to my cousin when he was studying in Rome. He spent time trying to find our g grandfather on holidays in Prussia area. Kept getting directed to Belgium and the commonality of the surname there. Interesting. Therefore, it would behove us to perhaps concentrate on the Rhineland & those parts of the Palatine returned to Prussia after Napoleon's defeat. Where might we find an index of civil births for that area circa 1830-1840? Thank you so much. Mary Ellen ________________________________ From: Stefan Rückling <rueckling@gmx.de> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:42:26 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research Mary, Belgium was never part of Prussia. France occupated at the end of the 18th century the Rhineland (Rheinland) and the Palatine (Pfalz). Then Napoleon imported the civil registers in this occupated region, so these registers begin 1792. After Napoleons defeat (1815) Prussia get the Rhineland and parts of the Palatine. The Prussian government continued the civil registers. In all other parts of Prussia they begin in 1874 and in the rest of Germany in 1876. The birth place "Prussia" is really not very specific so it's very hard to find the region where your ancestor came from. Sincerely, Stefan www.rueckling.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@yahoo.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New England! We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to 1864 in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not start until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 but her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census & her mother from Bayonne. Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His name John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the various areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even though there may be numerous men with the same given & surname, it might give us a more defined area to search. It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that the part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I have a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using it be better define that part??? Would anyone on the list have any ideas? My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stefan: How do you search this database? I'd like to see if there are records for my relatives, who left Hamburg in 1868, lived in Podjass (today Podjazy) On 9/29/2011 1:56 PM, Stefan Rückling wrote: > Mary, > > the LDS church has filmed the card file of emmigrants leaving Brandenburg > (central part of Prussia). > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=767068&disp=Auswanderungskartei > &columns=*,0,0 > > The original cards are in Brandenburgisches Landeshauptarchiv in Potsdam > (near Berlin, former capital of Prussia). > > Since in America your ancestor was written Libbons or Libbens I gues it > could also be Lübbers which is a very common name. The American people don't > know the german ü and understand i. > > If you pronounce "Lübbers" in German it sounds like "Libbors". So you have > to play with many possibilities if you check a database. > > Stefan. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:05 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > > Thank you Lorene. Will check this out. Took a glance at it, realize have a > lot > to go through. Maybe will delegate some to my siblings! > > Appreciate the avenues you and Stefen have suggested to pursue. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lorene Seman<lmseman@wisc.edu> > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:37:58 AM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor > Research > > Here is a database of church records in Prussia. > > Go to PomGenBase If you find the family, I know of a guy who has CDs > for sale with the actual records. > > http://www.ptg.gda.pl/ > > > > > > > On 9/29/2011 10:12 AM, Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: > >> My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have >> not >> had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on >> the >> few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New >> England! >> We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to >> 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to >> 1864 >> in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not >> > start > >> until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y >> OH. >> My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 >> > but > >> her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from >> Bayonne. >> > >> Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His >> name >> John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. >> I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some >> areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the >> various >> areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even >> though >> there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give us a >> more >> defined area to search. >> It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various >> spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that >> the >> part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I >> > have > >> a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. >> Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place >> of >> birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using >> it >> > be > >> better define that part??? >> Would anyone on the list have any ideas? >> My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 >> > Crestline > >> Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and >> on >> other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. >> Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD >> back >> to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising >> Sun, >> Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. >> >> Mary Ellen Chambers >> Lakewood, OH >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu

There is a larger database that I don't have on this computer and will try to send it later. Do you also know about the Poznan marriage project database? http://bindweed.man.poznan.pl/posen/search.php On 9/29/2011 1:21 PM, Stefan Rückling wrote: > Lorene, > > the link you've send http://www.ptg.gda.pl/index.php/default/lang/en-utf-8/ > is very interesting. I didn't know this link before. But it contains only > West Prussia, and not all the other parts of Prussia (such as East Prussia, > Pomerania, Posen, Silesia, Brandenburg, Berlin, province of Sachsen, > Hannover, Rhineland, Palatine, etc.) > > Mary, > > Yes, you are right. Yo needed a pass to change your place. You also needed a > permission to leave your home and to emmigrate. Many of these permissions > survived the war and are in several Archives. But the problem is: Prussia > was very big, each region of Prussia has his own Archive today. Where you > should begin ????? > > Did you already played with the German Emmigration Database ? > http://www.dad-recherche.de/hmb/index_engl.asp > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:59 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > > Stefan~ > Thank you so much. Will "play" around with this site to see if anything > jumps up. I did try the Breman departures to Baltimore but they are way too > late for my g grandfather. He would have emigrated about 1850 to 1855, maybe > 16 > yrs of age or so. > I was also told that in 19th century Germany, a person had to have a pass > to travel from one place to another. These passes survived WW II. If this is > so, where might one find an index or data re: them?? > > Mary Ellen > > > > ________________________________ > From: Stefan Rückling<rueckling@gmx.de> > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 12:16:43 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > There is no central index. You have to search in each civil register > separately. That whould be impossible. > > Many immigrants told in America "born in Prussia" but really they were born > in another country which is unknown in America. So they told "Prussia". > > I checked the German Emmigration-Database: No result. > > But try on this site: http://www.passagierlisten.de/ (also in English > available) > If you write Lübbens (which is a similar pronunciation to Libbens) you will > find a person called Gesche Lübbens from Hannover who emmigrated in 1845. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia > AncestorResearch > > > Stefan~ > The part of the change over data was given to my cousin when he was > studying in Rome. He spent time trying to find our g grandfather on holidays > in > Prussia area. Kept getting directed to Belgium and the commonality of the > surname there. Interesting. > Therefore, it would behove us to perhaps concentrate on the Rhineland& > those parts of the Palatine returned to Prussia after Napoleon's defeat. > Where > might we find an index of civil births for that area circa 1830-1840? > Thank you so much. > > Mary Ellen > > > > ________________________________ > From: Stefan Rückling<rueckling@gmx.de> > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:42:26 AM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor > Research > > Mary, > > Belgium was never part of Prussia. > > France occupated at the end of the 18th century the Rhineland (Rheinland) > and the Palatine (Pfalz). Then Napoleon imported the civil registers in this > occupated region, so these registers begin 1792. After Napoleons defeat > (1815) Prussia get the Rhineland and parts of the Palatine. The Prussian > government continued the civil registers. In all other parts of Prussia they > begin in 1874 and in the rest of Germany in 1876. > > The birth place "Prussia" is really not very specific so it's very hard to > find the region where your ancestor came from. > > Sincerely, > > Stefan > > www.rueckling.de > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ellen Chambers"<maryln61@yahoo.com> > To:<PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research > > > My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not > had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the > few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New > England! > We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to > 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to > 1864 > in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not > start > until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. > My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 > but > her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from > Bayonne. > Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His > name > John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. > I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some > areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the various > areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even though > there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give us a > more > defined area to search. > It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various > spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that > the > part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I > have > a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. > Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of > birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using it > be > better define that part??? > Would anyone on the list have any ideas? > My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline > Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on > other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. > Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back > to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, > Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > Lakewood, OH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu

Also you might try Familysearch.org they have a huge collection of Pomeranian and misc German records online and free. See: https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927074 Pax Vobiscum, ...mark (Mark Rabideau) ManyRoads Family Genealogist (Rabideau-Henss Family) *Visit us at: http://many-roads.com <http://many-roads.com/> * *Snail mail at: *711 Nob Hill Trail - Franktown,CO USA - 80116-8717 *phone:*+1.303.660.9400 *fax:*+1.303.660.9217 *member:*Association of Professional Genealogists & National Genealogical Society _____________________________________________________________________ *"It's always useful to know where a friend-and-relation is, whether you want him or whether you don't."* Rabbit, Pooh's Little Instruction Book (Winnie the Pooh) On 09/29/2011 09:37 AM, Lorene Seman wrote: > Here is a database of church records in Prussia. > > Go to PomGenBase If you find the family, I know of a guy who has CDs > for sale with the actual records. > > http://www.ptg.gda.pl/ > > > > > > > On 9/29/2011 10:12 AM, Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: >> My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not >> had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the >> few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New England! >> We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to >> 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to 1864 >> in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not start >> until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. >> My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 but >> her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from Bayonne. >> Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His name >> John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. >> I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some >> areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the various >> areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even though >> there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give us a more >> defined area to search. >> It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various >> spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that the >> part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I have >> a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. >> Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of >> birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using it be >> better define that part??? >> Would anyone on the list have any ideas? >> My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline >> Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on >> other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. >> Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back >> to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, >> Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. >> >> Mary Ellen Chambers >> Lakewood, OH >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>

Hi Mary Ellen A couple of items that might provide food for thought. I would guess he could have been from either East or West Prussia on the Baltic because of his Lutheran faith. If he were from near Belgium it would be more likely that he was Roman Catholic rather then Lutheran (Evangelish). Also you might consider that Leibens can be a Lithuanian name (again Baltic region ... former East Prussia. But all this is purely speculative and impossible to prove without a town name. Pax Vobiscum, ...mark (Mark Rabideau) ManyRoads Family Genealogist (Rabideau-Henss Family) *Visit us at: http://many-roads.com <http://many-roads.com/> * *Snail mail at: *711 Nob Hill Trail - Franktown,CO USA - 80116-8717 *phone:*+1.303.660.9400 *fax:*+1.303.660.9217 *member:*Association of Professional Genealogists & National Genealogical Society _____________________________________________________________________ *"It's always useful to know where a friend-and-relation is, whether you want him or whether you don't."* Rabbit, Pooh's Little Instruction Book (Winnie the Pooh) On 09/29/2011 09:12 AM, Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: > My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not > had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the > few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New England! > We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to > 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to 1864 > in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not start > until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. > My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 but > her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census& her mother from Bayonne. > Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His name > John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. > I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some > areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the various > areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even though > there may be numerous men with the same given& surname, it might give us a more > defined area to search. > It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various > spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that the > part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I have > a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. > Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of > birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using it be > better define that part??? > Would anyone on the list have any ideas? > My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline > Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on > other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. > Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back > to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, > Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > Lakewood, OH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Lorene.  Will check this out.  Took a glance at it, realize have a lot to go through.  Maybe will delegate some to my siblings!  Appreciate the avenues you and Stefen have suggested to pursue. Mary Ellen Chambers ________________________________ From: Lorene Seman <lmseman@wisc.edu> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:37:58 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research Here is a database of church records in Prussia. Go to PomGenBase  If you find the family, I know of a guy who has CDs for sale with the actual records. http://www.ptg.gda.pl/ On 9/29/2011 10:12 AM, Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: >        My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have >not > had any success.  Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the > few records we have as place of birth.  Realize that is like saying New >England! >        We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to > 1860.  We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to 1864 > in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD.  MD civil records did not start > until 1898.  About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. > My g grandmother's family also moved with them.  She was American born 1845 but > her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census&  her mother from Bayonne. > Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack".  His >name > John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. >        I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some > areas in the late 18th century.  Would there be a list/index for the various > areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records??  Even though > there may be numerous men with the same given&  surname, it might give us a >more > defined area to search. >        It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various > spelling) is often in what is now Belgium.  However, I have been told that the > part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat.  I have > a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. > Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of > birth if he was actually born in that part which changed.  Or would using it be > better define that part??? >        Would anyone on the list have any ideas? >        My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline > Crawford County OH.  On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on > other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. >        Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records.  It is MD >back > to Prussia which is our brick wall.  In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, > Cecil County MD; near Elkton.  They were of the Lutheran faith. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > Lakewood, OH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >    -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI  53792-3272 Voice:  (608)265-0588 FAX:    (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stefan~       Thank you so much.  Will "play" around with this site to see if anything jumps up.  I did try the Breman departures to Baltimore but they are way too late for my g grandfather.  He would have emigrated about 1850 to 1855, maybe 16 yrs of age or so.        I was also told that in 19th century Germany, a person had to have a pass to travel from one place to another.  These passes survived WW II.  If this is so, where might one find an index or data re: them?? Mary Ellen ________________________________ From: Stefan Rückling <rueckling@gmx.de> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 12:16:43 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch There is no central index. You have to search in each civil register separately. That whould be impossible. Many immigrants told in America "born in Prussia" but really they were born in another country which is unknown in America. So they told "Prussia". I checked the German Emmigration-Database: No result. But try on this site: http://www.passagierlisten.de/ (also in English available) If you write Lübbens (which is a similar pronunciation to Libbens) you will find a person called Gesche Lübbens from Hannover who emmigrated in 1845. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@yahoo.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia AncestorResearch Stefan~ The part of the change over data was given to my cousin when he was studying in Rome. He spent time trying to find our g grandfather on holidays in Prussia area. Kept getting directed to Belgium and the commonality of the surname there. Interesting. Therefore, it would behove us to perhaps concentrate on the Rhineland & those parts of the Palatine returned to Prussia after Napoleon's defeat. Where might we find an index of civil births for that area circa 1830-1840? Thank you so much. Mary Ellen ________________________________ From: Stefan Rückling <rueckling@gmx.de> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, September 29, 2011 11:42:26 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research Mary, Belgium was never part of Prussia. France occupated at the end of the 18th century the Rhineland (Rheinland) and the Palatine (Pfalz). Then Napoleon imported the civil registers in this occupated region, so these registers begin 1792. After Napoleons defeat (1815) Prussia get the Rhineland and parts of the Palatine. The Prussian government continued the civil registers. In all other parts of Prussia they begin in 1874 and in the rest of Germany in 1876. The birth place "Prussia" is really not very specific so it's very hard to find the region where your ancestor came from. Sincerely, Stefan www.rueckling.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@yahoo.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Suggestions re: On Line Prussia Ancestor Research My family has tried to trace my g grandfather back to Prussia but have not had any success. Part of the issue is all we have is Prussia which is on the few records we have as place of birth. Realize that is like saying New England! We have tried passenger lists coming into Baltimore, approx. 1850 to 1860. We use this time-line because, he married my g grandmother 1860 to 1864 in either Cecil County or Baltimore County, MD. MD civil records did not start until 1898. About 1869 he moved his family to Crestline Crawford Count y OH. My g grandmother's family also moved with them. She was American born 1845 but her father was from Hesse Darmstadt per 1880 census & her mother from Bayonne. Again huge areas of Germany to try to find the "Needle in a haystack". His name John Ludwig Kiel/Kile/Kyle. I noticed on the list that there are Civil Records available for some areas in the late 18th century. Would there be a list/index for the various areas of Prussia which state the start for their civil records?? Even though there may be numerous men with the same given & surname, it might give us a more defined area to search. It appears that my paternal g grandfather's surname LIBENS (various spelling) is often in what is now Belgium. However, I have been told that the part of Prussia which is now Belgium was changed D/T Napoleon's defeat. I have a b. year for him of 1836 which would have been long after the defeat. Therefore, find it strange that Prussia continued to be used as his place of birth if he was actually born in that part which changed. Or would using it be better define that part??? Would anyone on the list have any ideas? My g grandfather was John LIBENS b. 1836 Prussia, expired 1879 Crestline Crawford County OH. On the 1870 census the surname was spelled LABENS and on other census LIBBENS, LIBBONS. Once the families settled in OH, we have numerous records. It is MD back to Prussia which is our brick wall. In MD both families lived in Rising Sun, Cecil County MD; near Elkton. They were of the Lutheran faith. 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Catholic. I have found the records in the Churches there. However, I'm interested in the civil registrations because some of the church records contain very little information, such as no information about parents in the case of marriage. This information says they have been microfilmed by LDS but I cannot locate any information on LDS. Has anyone successfully accessed civil registration on LDS for Poland? Poland's excellent system of civil registration of vital records (birth, marriage and death records) is the best in Eastern Europe --- better than most U.S. States. In what became the Kingdom of Poland (/Królestwo Polskie/ = Congress Poland = "Russian Poland"), civil registration began in 1808, and most of the records survive to this day. These documents are extremely informative --- for example, a birth registration usually contains the names and ages of both parents, the date, time and place of birth, the father's occupation, and often both grandfathers' given names. These records are kept in many different branches of the Polish State Archives and Civil Records Offices across Poland. Many of those in the Archives have been microfilmed, and are thus available for viewing around the world. Vital records *less than 100 years old* are most often still in each town's town hall, and records *more than 100 years old* are at one of the Polish State Archives regional branches. Most existing records before 1880 have been microfilmed by the LDS. On 9/29/2011 10:28 AM, Stefan Rückling wrote: > Lorene, > > Podjass belonged to the parish Sullenschin. > > What confession you are looking for ? Protestant or catholic ? Both church > registers where filmed by the LDS church: > > Catholic church registers: 1706-1938. > Protestant church registers: only 1863-1878 (other Protestant church > registers are destroyed). > > Tax purposes and other documents of Podjass are in the State Archive in > Danzig (Gdansk). > > Sincerely, > > Stefan Rückling > > www.rueckling.de > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lorene Seman"<lmseman@wisc.edu> > To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia > > > Thanks. I'm looking for earlier records. My ancestors left in 1868, > lived in Podjass (Podjazy), a small village of about 150 people. Do you > know whether any exist for the earlier time period? Would villages have > taken census for tax purposes? > > On 9/29/2011 2:32 AM, Stefan Rückling wrote: > >> Lorene, >> >> since the 01 Oct. 1874 there were civil records in Prussia. Which >> village/town and years are you exactly looking for ? >> >> The LDS church has microfilmed the civil registers of the town Karthaus >> (today Kartuzy) until 1883. The records from 1874 to 1906 are in the State >> Archive in Danzig (today Gdansk) and the records after 1906 in the Civil >> Registration Office of Karthaus. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Stefan Rückling >> >> www.rueckling.de >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Armstrong"<davidrli@iinet.net.au> >> To:<prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia >> >> >> >> >>> Lorene >>> >>> Civil Registration as the rest of the world calls it was extended to >>> those >>> areas of Germany that didn't already have it in 1876. Some states >>> started >>> in 1792. >>> >>> < https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Germany_Civil_Registration> >>> >>> Some of these records were microfilmed in 1985 by the LDS and can be >>> ordered into your local LDS library for a nominal sum. >>> >>> http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp?PAGE=library_fhc_find.asp >>> >>> There are two in Madison: >>> >>> Madison Wisconsin >>> 4505 Regent St >>> Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States >>> Phone: 608-238-4844 >>> Hours: T 9am-9pm; Th 9am-12pm& 6pm-9pm; Sat 9am-12pm. >>> Closed: Nov 27 - Dec 1; Dec. 23 - Jan 5 >>> >>> Wisconsin Historical Society >>> 816 State St >>> Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, United States >>> Phone: 608-264-6536 >>> Hours: Mon-Fri 8am-5pm; Sat 9am-4pm >>> Attention: Microfilms from the Church can be ordered at this historical >>> society >>> >>> >>> >>> David Armstrong >>> Maylands, >>> Western Australia >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Lorene Seman >>> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:14 PM >>> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Vital records in Prussia >>> >>> >>> Does anyone know whether vital records exist in Prussia? I know there >>> are church records, such as baptism, marriage, death. What about vital >>> records, similar to birth certificates, marriage certificates and death >>> certificates here in the U.S.? This would be for the Kartuzy area. I >>> seem to recall reading that these exist and they contain more >>> information than the church records. Thanks. >>> >>> Lorene Seman, MBA >>> Assistant Administrator >>> Department of Anesthesiology >>> School of Medicine and Public Health >>> University of Wisconsin >>> 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC >>> Madison, WI 53792-3272 >>> Voice: (608)265-0588 >>> FAX: (608)263-8111 >>> lmseman@wisc.edu >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > -- Lorene Seman, MBA Assistant Administrator Department of Anesthesiology School of Medicine and Public Health University of Wisconsin 600 Highland Ave, B6/319 CSC Madison, WI 53792-3272 Voice: (608)265-0588 FAX: (608)263-8111 lmseman@wisc.edu