As I see now, there are no civil Protestant church records filmed by the LDS church. Only a few military church records which probably don't help you. Sincerely, Stefan Rückling ----- Original Message ----- From: "James & Wanda Lennox" <jameswanda.lennox@gmail.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:00 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Family Stolzenhein >I am trying to trace Stolzenhein roots in Germany/Prussia any help from >this > site would be appreciated. > > > > I have obtained the following information :- > > > > Johann Friedrich Stolzenhein born abt 1795 in Germany/Prussia? (my great > great great grandfather) Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints > records the spelling of Stolzenhein as Stolzenhain. > > Married > > Sophie Echt born abt 1799 (no info) > > Known children :- > > Johann Carl Stolzenhein born 22/10/1819 died abt 1820 Prussia? > > Henriette Wilhelmine Stolzenhein born 21/6/1821 Prussia? died abt 1890 > > My great great grandfather Johann Carl Stolzenhein born 4/7/1823 > Germany/Prussia? > > Married > > Johanne Friederike Henriette Schmidt -No information as to birthplace. > > Children: > > Johann Carl Bruno Stolzenhein Born 6/9/1856 Torgau, Germany/Prussia? (my > great grandfather) married Amanda Wilhelmina Timm Born 28/12/1862 in Kiel, > Germany. Emigrated to Australia on board steamship Amalfi arriving here > 21/8/1883. No other info on Amanda as to relatives in Kiel. > > Friedrich Moritz Otto Stolzenhein Born 1/3/1858 Torgau, Germany/Prussia? > > Henriette Clara Hedwig Stolzenhein Born 12/2/1860 Torgau, Germany/Prussia? > > > > Wanda > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Wanda, you should start your research in Torgau whose church records are in the Church Archives of Magdeburg: website: http://archive.ekmd-online.de/portal/archive/2-archiv-magdeburg/ (with e-mail-address) Those records begin already in 1581, maybe some of them (concerning the 19th century) are filmed by the LDS church. I can't check this, since the LDS site actually don't work. Sincerely, Stefan Rückling http://www.rueckling.de/english/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "James & Wanda Lennox" <jameswanda.lennox@gmail.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:00 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Family Stolzenhein >I am trying to trace Stolzenhein roots in Germany/Prussia any help from >this > site would be appreciated. > > > > I have obtained the following information :- > > > > Johann Friedrich Stolzenhein born abt 1795 in Germany/Prussia? (my great > great great grandfather) Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints > records the spelling of Stolzenhein as Stolzenhain. > > Married > > Sophie Echt born abt 1799 (no info) > > Known children :- > > Johann Carl Stolzenhein born 22/10/1819 died abt 1820 Prussia? > > Henriette Wilhelmine Stolzenhein born 21/6/1821 Prussia? died abt 1890 > > My great great grandfather Johann Carl Stolzenhein born 4/7/1823 > Germany/Prussia? > > Married > > Johanne Friederike Henriette Schmidt -No information as to birthplace. > > Children: > > Johann Carl Bruno Stolzenhein Born 6/9/1856 Torgau, Germany/Prussia? (my > great grandfather) married Amanda Wilhelmina Timm Born 28/12/1862 in Kiel, > Germany. Emigrated to Australia on board steamship Amalfi arriving here > 21/8/1883. No other info on Amanda as to relatives in Kiel. > > Friedrich Moritz Otto Stolzenhein Born 1/3/1858 Torgau, Germany/Prussia? > > Henriette Clara Hedwig Stolzenhein Born 12/2/1860 Torgau, Germany/Prussia? > > > > Wanda > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I started to collect obituaries out of my news paper (St.Petersburg Times and the Suncoast News, both in Florida). I wanted to be able to help others that were searching their surnames and just maybe someone they were looking for that might have died in Florida.  These are from 2005 to 2010 almost out of daily papers.   I am in need of money right now and may loose my home, so I would like to sell these.  I have 3 or 4 boxes full and I am only asking $30.00 for everything.   Thank you for any and all help. Pat

Hi, Karl, Just a word of clarification, which you probably know already: Rittergutsbesitzer is a descriptive (occupational?) term, not a name. Ritter, of course, is Knight. A Gutsbesitzer was a person who owned a relatively large farm, but not huge enough to be termed an estate. At least this was the term used in East Prussia, and Sensburg is in East Prussia. So presumeably a Rittergutsbesitzer was a middling landowner who happened to have the rank of knight, while a proper Junker with an estate would be a Count, for example. Those were the von Lehnsdorffs, the von Dohnas, &c.---what my German grandmother called "big bugs." bob Robert M. Copeland Beaver Falls, PA 15010 724-847-6665 rmc@geneva.edu "Where all think alike, nobody thinks very much."---Walter Lippman ________________________________________ From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Yvonne [dreamgarden@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 19:10 To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Rittergutsbesitzer von Conta Hi Karl, what is your father's full name? Depending where one was from, the WWI info was lost in WWII war, but there are exceptions. I found a distant relative who was born in the town of Brachelen (it's near Aachen) on the Bavarian WWI lists. He survived WWI and had 8 kids. I have ancestry and can put your father's name into the search engine. You can write me an e-mail directly or through the list or both if you like. Yvonne in California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl von Loewe" <karlvonl@gmail.com> To: <Prussia-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:43 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Rittergutsbesitzer von Conta > My father was a pilot in WWI. I'm not certain what units he flew in, > however, so I have compared "Jasta" (Jagdstaffel, or fighter units) pilots > names with names in his address book from 1925. One of the names in his > address book is "Rittergutsbesitzer von Conta, Schwarzwald, krs. > Sensburg." > In the list of Jasta pilots is one "Ltn. von Conta," who flew with Flieger > Abteilung 36 and Jasta 11. No first name was given. Since after the war > my father worked as a journeyman watch maker in Sensburg immediately > before > coming to this country, I suspect the two von Contas might be one. Is > there anyone out there who might clarify this? > Many thanks in advance,-- > Karl von Loewe > Somerset NJ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Karl, what is your father's full name? Depending where one was from, the WWI info was lost in WWII war, but there are exceptions. I found a distant relative who was born in the town of Brachelen (it's near Aachen) on the Bavarian WWI lists. He survived WWI and had 8 kids. I have ancestry and can put your father's name into the search engine. You can write me an e-mail directly or through the list or both if you like. Yvonne in California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl von Loewe" <karlvonl@gmail.com> To: <Prussia-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:43 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Rittergutsbesitzer von Conta > My father was a pilot in WWI. I'm not certain what units he flew in, > however, so I have compared "Jasta" (Jagdstaffel, or fighter units) pilots > names with names in his address book from 1925. One of the names in his > address book is "Rittergutsbesitzer von Conta, Schwarzwald, krs. > Sensburg." > In the list of Jasta pilots is one "Ltn. von Conta," who flew with Flieger > Abteilung 36 and Jasta 11. No first name was given. Since after the war > my father worked as a journeyman watch maker in Sensburg immediately > before > coming to this country, I suspect the two von Contas might be one. Is > there anyone out there who might clarify this? > Many thanks in advance,-- > Karl von Loewe > Somerset NJ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Karl Go to Flieger-album.de , you may find your father in one or more of the databanks. Good Luck Guenter in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl von Loewe" <karlvonl@gmail.com> To: Prussia-Roots-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:43:07 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Rittergutsbesitzer von Conta My father was a pilot in WWI.  I'm not certain what units he flew in, however, so I have compared "Jasta" (Jagdstaffel, or fighter units) pilots names with names in his address book from 1925.  One of the names in his address book is "Rittergutsbesitzer von Conta, Schwarzwald, krs. Sensburg." In the list of Jasta pilots is one "Ltn. von Conta," who flew with Flieger Abteilung 36 and Jasta 11.  No first name was given.  Since after the war my father worked as a journeyman watch maker in Sensburg immediately before coming to this country, I suspect the two von Contas might be one.  Is there anyone out there who might clarify this? Many thanks in advance,-- Karl von Loewe Somerset NJ   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, I am also searching the parents of my great grandparents, Theresa Hoffmann and Paul Wuttke who were married in Katowicach, Silisia, Prussia Germany (Poland) 10 Feb 1878. Theresa was born 3 Mar 1853 in Glatz or Osick, Swidnicy, Schlesien, Prussia Germany, and Paul was born 1849/1850 in Trenitz, Schelsien, Prussia Germany. He died 18 Jan 1904 in Glatz, Schlesien, Prussia Germany, now Klodzko, Silisia, Poland. She, Theresa, died same place, 10 April 1926. If anyone has records of these parents or siblings, I would sure appreciate hearing from you. Robert A. Andersen 411 N Stevens Chewelah, Wash. 99109 USA bandersen@inwi.net ------- Original Message ------- >From : Vera Miller[mailto:veramiller@verizon.net] Sent : 4/6/2012 2:01:38 PM To : prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Cc : Subject : RE: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Hoffmann and Lamprecht from Ciechanowiec Hello all, I am stuck in researching my Hoffmann and Lamprecht ancestry. My great-great-great-great-grandparents Carl Gottlieb Hoffmann and Catharine Lamprecht had a son, Carl, in 1835 in Ciechanowiec near Bialystok. I cannot find Carl Jr. in church records. Bialystok archives has records starting in 1847. Latvia archives has records from 1834-1875. Does anyone know if records earlier than 1834 exist? Thanks, Vera ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My father was a pilot in WWI. I'm not certain what units he flew in, however, so I have compared "Jasta" (Jagdstaffel, or fighter units) pilots names with names in his address book from 1925. One of the names in his address book is "Rittergutsbesitzer von Conta, Schwarzwald, krs. Sensburg." In the list of Jasta pilots is one "Ltn. von Conta," who flew with Flieger Abteilung 36 and Jasta 11. No first name was given. Since after the war my father worked as a journeyman watch maker in Sensburg immediately before coming to this country, I suspect the two von Contas might be one. Is there anyone out there who might clarify this? Many thanks in advance,-- Karl von Loewe Somerset NJ

Many thanks Brigitte Unfortunately I drew a blank and wasn't able to make a link between the surname and the address. Regards David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Brigitte Jahnke To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Berlin Directories ca. 1943 Hi David, there are im has ages of the Berlin addressbooks online. The research is not that comfortable, but with a bit of patience you can find whatever you're looking for. 1943 had been the last addressbook for quite a number of years. http://adressbuch.zlb.de/ Happy Easter Brigitte ________________________________ From: David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au> To: Prussia List <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 9:51 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Berlin Directories ca. 1943 G'day everyone Does anyone have access to city directories for Berlin for the period 1941-43, ie during the Second World War? My step-father's first wife, Antonia Lyon-Smith (1925-2010) was arrested in Paris in 1943 and held by the Gestapo for several months. In her book (Little Resistance written under her second married name of Hunt), there is a photograph of a note with a Berlin address, but no person's name. It's apparently the address of the Gestapo secretary who befriended her. This morning, I've received information from the National Archives in London on the Sonderkommando Rote Kapelle. It includes a listing on the members of the Kommando, including the secretary, Fraulein Kemper. The LDS have copies of the 1941-43 directories in Salt Lake but unfortunately they are not available on microfilm. So I'd like to know if there was a KEMPER family listed as living at: Honowerstrasse 23, Berlin-Kaulsdorf in the early 1940s. (I believe the family was bombed out in late 1943 - early 1944, but should be there earlier). If so, it'll mean that I will have been able to identify the secretary who befriended Antonia when she was in Gestapo custody. Happy Easter everyone David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia

Hi Helen, all church records of Insterburg which are still available are filmed by the LDS church, see here: https://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=386654&subject_disp=Germany%2C+Preu%26%23xdf%3Ben%2C+Ostpreu%26%23xdf%3Ben%2C+Insterburg+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0 First you should determine which religion your ancestors belonged to (Protestant, Catholic, Jewish) to choose the right film. These records/films have some gaps and some end already before 1900. So it's maybe helpful to know that the civil records of Insterburg (which are more detailed than the church records) from 1876 to 1938 are in the Civil Registry No. I in Berlin. Sincerely, Stefan Rückling Stefan Rückling Berlin, Germany http://www.rueckling.de/english/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Moyer Home" <rmoyer1@twcny.rr.com> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 4:59 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] researching surname of Preuss >I have finally gotten a document from my dad concerning my grandfather Max > Preuss. He was born Max Karl Preuss on 7 December 1904 or 1906 in > Insterburg Prussia. He married Johanne Furmat. I know they ended up in > Schleswig. He was a Russian Pow of which I can't fing records. I would > like to know if my ancestors can be traced in Prussia or have all the > records been destroyed from war? I do know that neither of my > grandparents > ever came to America. My mother left and ended up in England. I know I > have relatives in Schleswig and have tried contacting them, My uncle > Gunter > I believe passed away recently and My aunt Edith does not reply. I am > left > to research on my own with the help of my fellow Prussia ancestors and > friends. Any assistance would be appreciated. Helen Moyer > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

G'day everyone Does anyone have access to city directories for Berlin for the period 1941-43, ie during the Second World War? My step-father's first wife, Antonia Lyon-Smith (1925-2010) was arrested in Paris in 1943 and held by the Gestapo for several months. In her book (Little Resistance written under her second married name of Hunt), there is a photograph of a note with a Berlin address, but no person's name. It's apparently the address of the Gestapo secretary who befriended her. This morning, I've received information from the National Archives in London on the Sonderkommando Rote Kapelle. It includes a listing on the members of the Kommando, including the secretary, Fraulein Kemper. The LDS have copies of the 1941-43 directories in Salt Lake but unfortunately they are not available on microfilm. So I'd like to know if there was a KEMPER family listed as living at: Honowerstrasse 23, Berlin-Kaulsdorf in the early 1940s. (I believe the family was bombed out in late 1943 - early 1944, but should be there earlier). If so, it'll mean that I will have been able to identify the secretary who befriended Antonia when she was in Gestapo custody. Happy Easter everyone David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia

I have finally gotten a document from my dad concerning my grandfather Max Preuss. He was born Max Karl Preuss on 7 December 1904 or 1906 in Insterburg Prussia. He married Johanne Furmat. I know they ended up in Schleswig. He was a Russian Pow of which I can't fing records. I would like to know if my ancestors can be traced in Prussia or have all the records been destroyed from war? I do know that neither of my grandparents ever came to America. My mother left and ended up in England. I know I have relatives in Schleswig and have tried contacting them, My uncle Gunter I believe passed away recently and My aunt Edith does not reply. I am left to research on my own with the help of my fellow Prussia ancestors and friends. Any assistance would be appreciated. Helen Moyer

Hello Helen There are quite a number of records that survived the war. If you want to learn about conducting Prussian genealogy research, I have several hundred articles, links and thousands (over 20 GB) of documents on my site. Here are some links, tutorials, etc.: http://www.many-roads.com/libraries/prussia-histories/ http://www.many-roads.com/key-topics/tips-opinions-pointers/ If you'd like to chat directly, please contact me off list and we can arrange a time. Pax Vobiscum, ...mark (Mark Rabideau) ManyRoads Family Genealogist (Rabideau-Henss Family); *Professional Genealogist * *Visit us at: http://many-roads.com <http://many-roads.com/> * *Snail mail at: *711 Nob Hill Trail - Franktown,CO USA - 80116-8717 *phone:*+1.303.660.9400 *fax:*+1.303.660.9217 *member:*Association of Professional Genealogists & National Genealogical Society _____________________________________________________________________ *"It's always useful to know where a friend-and-relation is, whether you want him or whether you don't."* Rabbit, Pooh's Little Instruction Book (Winnie the Pooh) On 04/08/2012 08:59 AM, The Moyer Home wrote: > I have finally gotten a document from my dad concerning my grandfather Max > Preuss. He was born Max Karl Preuss on 7 December 1904 or 1906 in > Insterburg Prussia. He married Johanne Furmat. I know they ended up in > Schleswig. He was a Russian Pow of which I can't fing records. I would > like to know if my ancestors can be traced in Prussia or have all the > records been destroyed from war? I do know that neither of my grandparents > ever came to America. My mother left and ended up in England. I know I > have relatives in Schleswig and have tried contacting them, My uncle Gunter > I believe passed away recently and My aunt Edith does not reply. I am left > to research on my own with the help of my fellow Prussia ancestors and > friends. Any assistance would be appreciated. Helen Moyer > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Al and Stefan, I have ordered microfilm for the birth and marriage records from the Family History Center online. Maybe some hopes exists. If I don't find anything, maybe one day I'll find a match on ancestry.com. Vera ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:22:26 -0400 From: Albert Muth [1]albertmuth734@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Hoffmann and Lamprecht from Ciechanowiec To: [2]prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAOHiF6X3MnkYT3DHYzp3NNVXOtcCz3[3]iRb7D8N4GSowjEVaqTUA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Vera, I have followed your postings on several mailing lists. The Bia?ystok area was in Grodno gubernia, not Russian Poland during this time, so Prussia-Roots is probably not the best mailing list to seek answers on. Ciechanowiec and Bia?ystok would have been in Russia, Russia. Not Prussia. That being said, through my research across Russian Poland, I am familiar with your family, have Carl's 1855 marriage in Bia?ystok. You know, Ciechanowiec is some 67 km. SW of Bia?ystok, so I am thinking, you should be looking in a Catholic parish. In Russian Poland, which I am a lot more familiar with, the law ALLOWED for the various religions (Catholic, Greek-Catholic, Lutheran, Jewish etc) registering their own vital statistics from the year 1826. However, this did not become mandatory until the early 1840's. Around almost every Evangelisch-Augsburgisch church (Lutheran) in Russian Poland--and there are dozens of these--I can name a cluster of Catholic churches that contained Lutherans until 1826. Then, I can name a lesser number that continued registering Lutherans until the early 1840's. LDS has filmed records for the Catholic parish of Ciechanowiec. Try there! Al Muth Michigan References 1. mailto:albertmuth734@gmail.com 2. mailto:prussia-roots@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:iRb7D8N4GSowjEVaqTUA@mail.gmail.com

Hello Vera, I guess your ancestors were Protestant since you mention that the Bialystok records start in 1847. Indeed the Protestant birth records of this town begin in 1847. But I don't guess that the Protestant people from Ciechanowiec went to Bialystok to baptize their children; Bialsystok is about 80 km away from Ciechanowiec and without car and train it's near impossibile to go this way each sunday to visit the church. Ciechanowiec has an own Protestant cemetery and and also an own Protestant chapel. So I think they had their own church books too. Since I don't find any information about the Protestant church records of Ciechanowiec, those records may be lost by the WW2. Sincerely, Stefan Rückling Stefan Rückling Berlin, Germany http://www.rueckling.de/english/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vera Miller" <veramiller@verizon.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 11:01 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Hoffmann and Lamprecht from Ciechanowiec > > Hello all, > > I am stuck in researching my Hoffmann and Lamprecht ancestry. > > My great-great-great-great-grandparents Carl Gottlieb Hoffmann and > Catharine > Lamprecht had a son, Carl, in 1835 in Ciechanowiec near Bialystok. I > cannot > find Carl Jr. in church records. Bialystok archives has records starting > in > 1847. Latvia archives has records from 1834-1875. > > Does anyone know if records earlier than 1834 exist? > > Thanks, > > Vera > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi David, there are im has ages of the Berlin addressbooks online. The research is not that comfortable, but with a bit of patience you can find whatever you're looking for. 1943 had been the last addressbook for quite a number of years. http://adressbuch.zlb.de/ Happy Easter Brigitte ________________________________ From: David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au> To: Prussia List <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 9:51 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Berlin Directories ca. 1943 G'day everyone Does anyone have access to city directories for Berlin for the period 1941-43, ie during the Second World War? My step-father's first wife, Antonia Lyon-Smith (1925-2010) was arrested in Paris in 1943 and held by the Gestapo for several months.  In her book (Little Resistance written under her second married name of Hunt), there is a photograph of a note with a Berlin address, but no person's name.  It's apparently the address of the Gestapo secretary who befriended her. This morning, I've received information from the National Archives in London on the Sonderkommando Rote Kapelle.  It includes a listing on the members of the Kommando, including the secretary, Fraulein Kemper. The LDS have copies of the 1941-43 directories in Salt Lake but unfortunately they are not available on microfilm. So I'd like to know if there was a KEMPER family listed as living at: Honowerstrasse 23,  Berlin-Kaulsdorf in the early 1940s.  (I believe the family was bombed out in late 1943 - early 1944, but should be there earlier).  If so, it'll mean that I will have been able to identify the secretary who befriended Antonia when she was in Gestapo custody. Happy Easter everyone David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Vera, I have followed your postings on several mailing lists. The Białystok area was in Grodno gubernia, not Russian Poland during this time, so Prussia-Roots is probably not the best mailing list to seek answers on. Ciechanowiec and Białystok would have been in Russia, Russia. Not Prussia. That being said, through my research across Russian Poland, I am familiar with your family, have Carl's 1855 marriage in Białystok. You know, Ciechanowiec is some 67 km. SW of Białystok, so I am thinking, you should be looking in a Catholic parish. In Russian Poland, which I am a lot more familiar with, the law ALLOWED for the various religions (Catholic, Greek-Catholic, Lutheran, Jewish etc) registering their own vital statistics from the year 1826. However, this did not become mandatory until the early 1840's. Around almost every Evangelisch-Augsburgisch church (Lutheran) in Russian Poland--and there are dozens of these--I can name a cluster of Catholic churches that contained Lutherans until 1826. Then, I can name a lesser number that continued registering Lutherans until the early 1840's. LDS has filmed records for the Catholic parish of Ciechanowiec. Try there! Al Muth Michigan On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Vera Miller <veramiller@verizon.net> wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am stuck in researching my Hoffmann and Lamprecht ancestry. > > My great-great-great-great-grandparents Carl Gottlieb Hoffmann and > Catharine > Lamprecht had a son, Carl, in 1835 in Ciechanowiec near Bialystok. I > cannot > find Carl Jr. in church records. Bialystok archives has records starting > in > 1847. Latvia archives has records from 1834-1875. > > Does anyone know if records earlier than 1834 exist? > > Thanks, > > Vera > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all, I am stuck in researching my Hoffmann and Lamprecht ancestry. My great-great-great-great-grandparents Carl Gottlieb Hoffmann and Catharine Lamprecht had a son, Carl, in 1835 in Ciechanowiec near Bialystok. I cannot find Carl Jr. in church records. Bialystok archives has records starting in 1847. Latvia archives has records from 1834-1875. Does anyone know if records earlier than 1834 exist? Thanks, Vera

Hi Judy! Fliessem (Fließem)is a municipality in the district of Bitburg-Prüm, in Rhineland-Palatinate, western Germany, abt. 3 miles north of the town Bitburg, type "50.022778,6.542778" into the maps.google.com searchbox There is a very old catholic church called "Kath. Pfarrkirche St. Stephanus / Kreuzerhöhung" (in german): http://www.fliessem-typo3.de/index.php?id=104 more about BEHENG in Fliessen : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pick/fliessem.txt http://tinyurl.com/835rj4o http://tinyurl.com/7vnd3ve there are also Behengs from Malberg listed, a village abt. 2 miles northeast of Fliessem http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pick/malberg.txt http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/wgff/trier/Familienbuecher/Fliessem.html#B btw.: Puetz is a very popular surname in the Bitburg area greetings from Germany!

Hi, Brigitte. I should have figured that out. Sorry. Brain overload, I guess. Thanks so much for finding this christening record. We will be able to find out if this corresponds with her tombstone birthdate. My Austrian ancestors were almost all christened within a day of birth. I assume the Prussians did as well. Appreciate your input greatly. Judy -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brigitte Jahnke" <bj49545@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 3:54 AM To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian Military and the surname Beheng > Judy, > Thomae instead of Thomas that's latin grammar - the genitive, the mother's > name without genitive is Regina. > > Because of Peter's wife: I'm quite sure that her unmarried name has been > "Pütz" (possibly written Putz in America), a rather common name in that > area. > There is this lady from a neighbouring village: > > > > Name: Anna Maria Putz > Gender: Female > Baptism/Christening Date: 12 Nov 1843 > Baptism/Christening Place: KATHOLISCH, MALBERG, RHEINLAND, PRUSSIA > Birth Date: > > Birthplace: > > Death Date: > > Name Note: > > Race: > > Father's Name: Maximilin Putz > Father's Birthplace: > > Father's Age: > > Mother's Name: Mariae Annae Eckfeld > Mother's Birthplace: > > Mother's Age: > > Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C97421-1 > System Origin: Germany-ODM > Source Film Number: 469152 > Reference Number: > > Fließem is situated in a part of Germany that has been rather poor in > former times, today it's part of Bitburg. > It has got a nice website with lot's of nice fotos > http://www.fliessem-typo3.de/index.php?id=88 > > Malberg is about 5 miles from Fließem, > Here are some pictures: > http://www.malberg-eifel.de/cms/malberg/sehenswertes.php > > > Fear that there was no nobility in your friends family. Possibly her > ancestor left Germany to avoid military service, that can be true - > happened rather often But for sure he was no aristocrat. > All this "Eifel" area has been rather rather poor in former times. Many > people left from there to find a better life in other parts of the world. > > Good luck! > > Brigitte > > > . > > > ________________________________ > From: Karl Roussin <kroussin@moisp.net> > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian Military and the surname Beheng > > Judy > In the IGI Family History Center records there is a Petrus Beheng > listed , As shown ; > > PETRUS BEHENG Pedigree > Male > > Event(s): > Birth: > Christening: > 25 MAR 1835 Heiligkreuz Katholisch, Fliessem, Rheinland, Preussen > Death: > Burial: > > Parents: > Father: THOMAE BEHENG Family > Mother: REGINAE STYREN > > Messages: > Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the > record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the > birth > or christening date. > > Source Information: > Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: > Printout Call No.: Type: > C984082 1795 - 1875 0463568 Film NONE > Sheet: 00 > > Karl Roussin > ================================================================= > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy Olson > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:23 PM > To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian Military and the surname Beheng > > Hi, > > I hope I'm on the correct list this time for the information I'm seeking. > > I'm helping a friend who's new to genealogy research. Here's what she was > told as a child. We do not know a place of origin or the ship they came on > . > Census indicates Prussia or also Germany. > > Her great grandfather Peter Beheng b. about 1834 was apparently of the > aristocratic class which normally does not serve in the military. However, > she believes his father required him to serve anyway, to set an example, > and > he did so. Anticipating another war, he left in about 1865 and immigrated > to > the United States with his soon-to-be bride Anna b. about 1842 (Von Pitz, > which we're certain isn't the correct name. Possibly Pitts, Puetz, etc.) > The > story goes that he didn't even return to claim an inheritance upon the > death > of his father. The story also states that the ship caption insisted on > marrying them before he would let them leave the ship. They were later > married officially in the Catholic church after arriving in Minnesota. > > For anyone familiar with Prussian military, does this story sound > plausible? > If not, where does it go into glorified family lore? If so, can anyone > recommend where she should start searching for the place of origin? Thanks > much. 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