The way conscription worked in the early 19th century (from what I have seen of the records) was that an annual list of all eligible males was kept from birth by the County (Amt / Kreis) and when they reached the right age, they were conscripted en masse. As these annual lists recorded movements of those eligible from one place to another, they can be invaluable. The records that have survived and which have been microfilmed by the LDS are catalogued at the County level, not the parish level. (For those of you who are unaware, the LDS catalogue is arranged on a hierarchical system). Country County/State Parish/Town I've seen those for Cammin (near Stettin) which have been microfilmed, and I understand the records for Schleswig-Holstein have survived. So depending upon what type of record you are seeking, you need to choose the appropriate geographical unit when searching for a microfilm to order. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia

The first public railway in the world was the Stockton and Darlington Railway in northern England which opened in 1825. The first German railway ran from Nürnberg to Fürth and opened in 1835. There is a Wikipedia article on German railway history. < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rail_transport_in_Germany > < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_first_German_railways_to_1870 > The latter link has a map of the railway network in 1861. The cost of transporting large amounts of household goods would more than likely have been prohibitive. Add in the risk of damage en route, and you've the scenario that most emigrants would have sold off their effects before they started travelling. They would thus have been travelling light. This would have been especially true for those emigrants on the bottom rungs of the economic ladder. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Brigitte Jahnke To: Aaron Hill ; prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 For sure you could go in 1861 by train from Breslau and Berlin (since 1849) and from there to Hamburg (since 1846). For sure people did not make these long travels by stagecoach. Before the train network had been developed emigrants mostly travelled by ship. Stagecoach would have been rather expensive. Brigitte ________________________________ From: Aaron Hill <aaronjhill@yahoo.co.uk> To: "prussia-roots@rootsweb.com" <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 I am not sure how extensive the train network was in Germany in 1860-61. I discovered a map of the stagecoach routes in Pomerania in 1811 and wrote about it on my blog. Traveling to a major port likely required more than mode of transportation. http://aaronjhill.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/stagecoaches-in-pomerania-in-1811/ -- Aaron ________________________________ From: David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au He would probably have travelled north-westwards to Hamburg, most likely by train. The Hamburg shipping records are divided into two categories, "Direct" and "Indirect". The former list ships and their passengers who travelled directly from Hamburg to their final destination. The latter list those to travelled to Britain first and then caught another ship to their final destination. This was usually a more economical way of emigrating. Hamburg has another set of records (which have been microfilmed by the LDS), and that is the Hamburg Police Register of Transients. As you ancestor was not a citizen of Hamburg, an independent city state, he would have had to register his presence with the Hamburg Police while he awaited taking ship. An alternative route from Breslau, would have been to go north to Stettin or Swinemünde, and take ship from there. Hamburg though, was the major port for emigration from eastern and northern Germany. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: mavlin@xtra.co.nz I was interested to know if any listers could suggest how my ggfather Solomon VICTOR could have made his way from Breslau, Prussia to London, UK, so he could to catch a ship from London to Melbourne, Australia, in 1861. Were there preferred routes for migrants coming from this part of Prussia, to get to London? Murray Victor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aaran, these records are those which not burned in April 1945 and which were brought to the US after the war. Unfortunately I can't open the link "Prussian Mobilization Records" on your website. Stefan Rückling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Hill" <aaronjhill@yahoo.co.uk> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian Military question Prussia was in a war against Denmark in 1864, and Bismarck was likely planning his campaigns against Austria and France, which would include conscription laws. The mobilization records (on microfilm) of the Prussian Army are in the National Archives (US). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Schleswig_War http://aaronjhill.wordpress.com/2012/02/12/german-records-at-the-national-archives/ http://goo.gl/cTa4v Aaron ________________________________ From: Sue Manz Graham <suemanz.graham@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian Military question Hi Everyone -- According to family lore, my great grandfather (Herman Ludwig Manz) and his brothers were planning on coming to America in 1864. However, the brothers had to register for the military before they were able to leave. My great grandfather had lost a part of his thumb in a farming accident and was not drafted because he would not be able to handle the guns at that time. As a result, the older brothers stayed in Virchow, Kreis Dramburg, Prussia and Herman Ludwig Manz took the money & ticket and came to America. One brother came later, but no one heard from him again. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, I know Sperling (today Wrobel), parish of Benkheim (today Biane Mazurskie), county of Angerburg, Eas Prussia. The church books of Benkheim begin already in 1679. Stefan Rückling ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hunt" <veracruz@hal-pc.org> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Families in East Prussia I am not familiar with them. Do you know Sperling? Where can I find the location. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Rückling" <rueckling@gmx.de> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Families in East Prussia David, did you already checked the Protestant church books of Benkheim where Sperling belonged to ? They are filmed by the Mormons. Sincerely, Stefan Rückling http://www.rueckling.de/english/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hunt" <veracruz@hal-pc.org> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:40 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Families in East Prussia >I have just begun a search for my East Prussian side of the family and have >not had much success in Europe. I am looking for 2 families: > Kaschewski > Von Djakowska. This name has been spelt many different ways and any or all > of them may incorrect. Some of the variations are Tschakowska, > Dziatkowsky, Von Schakowski. > The place where my grandfather was from is Sperling which is actually the > name of an estate which bred and raised horses for the Prussian military. > This place in listed in the land records prior to 1806. It is near Wrobel, > Banie Mazurskie, and Wegozewo in present day Poland jst south of the > border with Russia. Great grandmother Charlotta Von Djakowska is supossed > to be listed in the Almanach de Gotha for years1853 to 1858 but I can't > locate her probably because of name spelling. My grandfather and great > grandfather's names are Frederick Kaschewski. Frederick junior immigrated > to the US around 1887 but I don't have any immigration records. The 2 > families were living in Sperling from 1817 to 1897 and possibly even > longer. Frederick Kaschewski junior had a sister named Mrs Augusta > Braunert who was living in berlin in 1926 the year that frederick died. > Any information that anyone has will be greatly apprecited. > David Hunt > Houston, texas > veracruz@hal-pc.org > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roger, for the period after 1813: At the age of 17 guys were called up to the military. They were conscripted to areas near their homes. Unfortunately the Archives of the Prussian Army burned in April 1945. Only 10 % of all documents survived. So probably those military records may not help you. So you should check the parish registers of Schöneck where Jarischau belonged before 1890. These records are filmed by the Mormons. Sincerely, Stefan Rückling http://www.rueckling.de/english/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "patroger.miller" <patroger.miller@earthlink.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian Military question Thank you Albert regarding the church records. I would still appreciate it if anyone has insight about my two questions on the obligatory Prussian military service noted 2 messages below. Roger Miller -----Original Message----- From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Albert Muth Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:21 PM To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian Military question Pogutken Evangelical parish did not come into existence until 1890. See www.westpreussen.de Per that site, "Die Kirchengemeinde Pogutken wurde im Jahre 1890 aus zuvor zu Neu Paleschken<http://www.westpreussen.de/cms/ct/kirchenbuecher/quellen.php?ID=6 >(Westen), Schöneck <http://www.westpreussen.de/cms/ct/kirchenbuecher/quellen.php?ID=9>(Osten) und Preußisch Stargard<http://www.westpreussen.de/cms/ct/kirchenbuecher/quellen.php?ID=530 >(Südosten) eingepfarrten Ortschaften gebildet." You will need to look at a map and determine which of the three parishes is the most likely Al Muth On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 4:14 PM, patroger.miller < patroger.miller@earthlink.net> wrote: > Dear list, > > I am looking for information on my ancestor Friedrich Mueller. (I > know it's > one of the most common names...) He and his family came to America in > 1856 > on the SS Shakespeare landing in New York. They departed from Bremen > and I have found through one child's birth record and the ship's log > that they came from Jarischau, West Prussia (spouse Euphosine > Brandstetter from Lissewken, West Prussia about 3 km away from the > Jarischau we think is his which is near Danzig and called Jaroszewy > now). They were Evangelische and I know that the church records were > kept in Pogutkin. He was born in 1819-20 (there is some historical > dispute on that from his gravestone marker in Winona, Minnesota and > various US Census data - most data says 1820). > > I have a fairly solid brick wall in going back any farther with > Friedrich to parents or even siblings for him or his wife. Bremen > emigration records from 1856 are gone and what little I can find about > Jarischau via Ancestry.com or a few Berlin or Polish sources do not > include the birth years or even a few decades on either side of them. > I have found his naturalization record, but not his first papers / > declaration of intent. > It > is a bit of a deep hole. > > Here is my question. How does one begin to find what military branch > or post he would likely have been in? Were soldiers conscripted to > areas near their homes? At what age were they conscripted? > > I'm sure I will have more questions. I'm just hoping that I can find > a morsel of military information to get me around the brick wall. > > Roger Miller > Minnesota > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Prussia was in a war against Denmark in 1864, and Bismarck was likely planning his campaigns against Austria and France, which would include conscription laws. The mobilization records (on microfilm) of the Prussian Army are in the National Archives (US). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Schleswig_War http://aaronjhill.wordpress.com/2012/02/12/german-records-at-the-national-archives/ http://goo.gl/cTa4v Aaron ________________________________ From: Sue Manz Graham <suemanz.graham@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian Military question Hi Everyone -- According to family lore, my great grandfather (Herman Ludwig Manz) and his brothers were planning on coming to America in 1864. However, the brothers had to register for the military before they were able to leave. My great grandfather had lost a part of his thumb in a farming accident and was not drafted because he would not be able to handle the guns at that time. As a result, the older brothers stayed in Virchow, Kreis Dramburg, Prussia and Herman Ludwig Manz took the money & ticket and came to America. One brother came later, but no one heard from him again.

David, did you already checked the Protestant church books of Benkheim where Sperling belonged to ? They are filmed by the Mormons. Sincerely, Stefan Rückling http://www.rueckling.de/english/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hunt" <veracruz@hal-pc.org> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:40 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Families in East Prussia >I have just begun a search for my East Prussian side of the family and have >not had much success in Europe. I am looking for 2 families: > Kaschewski > Von Djakowska. This name has been spelt many different ways and any or all > of them may incorrect. Some of the variations are Tschakowska, > Dziatkowsky, Von Schakowski. > The place where my grandfather was from is Sperling which is actually the > name of an estate which bred and raised horses for the Prussian military. > This place in listed in the land records prior to 1806. It is near Wrobel, > Banie Mazurskie, and Wegozewo in present day Poland jst south of the > border with Russia. Great grandmother Charlotta Von Djakowska is supossed > to be listed in the Almanach de Gotha for years1853 to 1858 but I can't > locate her probably because of name spelling. My grandfather and great > grandfather's names are Frederick Kaschewski. Frederick junior immigrated > to the US around 1887 but I don't have any immigration records. The 2 > families were living in Sperling from 1817 to 1897 and possibly even > longer. Frederick Kaschewski junior had a sister named Mrs Augusta > Braunert who was living in berlin in 1926 the year that frederick died. > Any information that anyone has will be greatly apprecited. > David Hunt > Houston, texas > veracruz@hal-pc.org > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Searching for my GG Grandfather Martin Friedrich Rubin or maybe Ruben. Do not have documentation on his first name or his date of death. Estimated DOD 1830. His 3 sons; Karl August - 15 Dec 1830 birth date in Zackerick, Germany (now Siekierki, Poland). 4 Feb 1879 date of death. Confirmed info. Christian Ludwig - 25 Jul 1827 birth date in Pomerania. 28 Jul 1899 date of death in Illinois, USA. Confirmed info. Friedrich born 1810. No confirmation on his exact name or birth date. Thank you, Carl Mueller 4deutsch@gmail.com

Hi Everyone -- According to family lore, my great grandfather (Herman Ludwig Manz) and his brothers were planning on coming to America in 1864. However, the brothers had to register for the military before they were able to leave. My great grandfather had lost a part of his thumb in a farming accident and was not drafted because he would not be able to handle the guns at that time. As a result, the older brothers stayed in Virchow, Kreis Dramburg, Prussia and Herman Ludwig Manz took the money & ticket and came to America. One brother came later, but no one heard from him again. How much is family lore and how much was military truth I don't know, but it does make for an interesting family story. Regards, Sue Manz Graham Everybody needs his memories. They keep the wolf of insignificance from the door. Saul Bellow ----- Original Message ----- From: "patroger.miller" <patroger.miller@earthlink.net> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 2:57:08 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian Military question Thank you Albert regarding the church records. I would still appreciate it if anyone has insight about my two questions on the obligatory Prussian military service noted 2 messages below. Roger Miller -----Original Message----- From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Albert Muth Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:21 PM To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian Military question Pogutken Evangelical parish did not come into existence until 1890. See www.westpreussen.de Per that site, "Die Kirchengemeinde Pogutken wurde im Jahre 1890 aus zuvor zu Neu Paleschken<http://www.westpreussen.de/cms/ct/kirchenbuecher/quellen.php?ID=6 >(Westen), Schöneck <http://www.westpreussen.de/cms/ct/kirchenbuecher/quellen.php?ID=9>(Osten) und Preußisch Stargard<http://www.westpreussen.de/cms/ct/kirchenbuecher/quellen.php?ID=530 >(Südosten) eingepfarrten Ortschaften gebildet." You will need to look at a map and determine which of the three parishes is the most likely Al Muth On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 4:14 PM, patroger.miller < patroger.miller@earthlink.net> wrote: > Dear list, > > I am looking for information on my ancestor Friedrich Mueller. (I > know it's > one of the most common names...) He and his family came to America in > 1856 > on the SS Shakespeare landing in New York. They departed from Bremen > and I have found through one child's birth record and the ship's log > that they came from Jarischau, West Prussia (spouse Euphosine > Brandstetter from Lissewken, West Prussia about 3 km away from the > Jarischau we think is his which is near Danzig and called Jaroszewy > now). They were Evangelische and I know that the church records were > kept in Pogutkin. He was born in 1819-20 (there is some historical > dispute on that from his gravestone marker in Winona, Minnesota and > various US Census data - most data says 1820). > > I have a fairly solid brick wall in going back any farther with > Friedrich to parents or even siblings for him or his wife. Bremen > emigration records from 1856 are gone and what little I can find about > Jarischau via Ancestry.com or a few Berlin or Polish sources do not > include the birth years or even a few decades on either side of them. > I have found his naturalization record, but not his first papers / > declaration of intent. > It > is a bit of a deep hole. > > Here is my question. How does one begin to find what military branch > or post he would likely have been in? Were soldiers conscripted to > areas near their homes? At what age were they conscripted? > > I'm sure I will have more questions. I'm just hoping that I can find > a morsel of military information to get me around the brick wall. > > Roger Miller > Minnesota > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How interesting, well to me because my Gt.Uncle was born in England in 1867, went to Germany with his family c1874.  He became a Marine Engineer in the German Navy and travelled extensively around the world, particularly Australia where he eventually settled in Sydney in the 1900's.  Australian records have produced some interesting information on him from the archives but there is no mention of his Naturalisation etc Could it be that because he was born in England he did not need to be legally naturalised to become an Australian citizen   Doreen ________________________________ From: Sandy <sandra_brown4@bigpond.com> To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 30 April 2012, 5:35 Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian Naval Records Can anyone help me regarding access to Prussian Naval Records of 1880’s.  My Great Grandfather Carl Franz Leopold KERNKE was born 1869 in Pommern.  He was naturalised in Australia in 1898.  I have been told by a family member that he was in the Prussian Navy and “jumped ship” in Sydney, Australia.  So far I have been unable to locate any records to verify this. Sandy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The only way to get from the extremely rural areas where my ancestors were to a train depot or port was by horse. Aaron ________________________________ From: Brigitte Jahnke <bj49545@yahoo.com> To: Aaron Hill <aaronjhill@yahoo.co.uk>; "prussia-roots@rootsweb.com" <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012, 13:09 Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 For sure you could go in 1861 by train from Breslau and Berlin (since 1849) and from there to Hamburg (since 1846). For sure people did not make these long travels by stagecoach. Before the train network had been developed emigrants mostly travelled by ship. Stagecoach would have been rather expensive. Brigitte

I am not sure how extensive the train network was in Germany in 1860-61. I discovered a map of the stagecoach routes in Pomerania in 1811 and wrote about it on my blog. Traveling to a major port likely required more than mode of transportation. http://aaronjhill.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/stagecoaches-in-pomerania-in-1811/ -- Aaron ________________________________ From: David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au He would probably have travelled north-westwards to Hamburg, most likely by train. The Hamburg shipping records are divided into two categories, "Direct" and "Indirect".  The former list ships and their passengers who travelled directly from Hamburg to their final destination.  The latter list those to travelled to Britain first and then caught another ship to their final destination.  This was usually a more economical way of emigrating. Hamburg has another set of records (which have been microfilmed by the LDS), and that is the Hamburg Police Register of Transients.  As you ancestor was not a citizen of Hamburg, an independent city state, he would have had to register his presence with the Hamburg Police while he awaited taking ship.  An alternative route from Breslau, would have been to go north to Stettin or Swinemünde, and take ship from there.  Hamburg though, was the major port for emigration from eastern and northern Germany. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia   ----- Original Message -----   From: mavlin@xtra.co.nz I was interested to know if any listers could suggest how my ggfather   Solomon VICTOR could have made his way from Breslau, Prussia to London,   UK, so he could to catch a ship from London to Melbourne, Australia, in    1861.   Were there preferred routes for migrants coming from this part of   Prussia, to get to London? Murray Victor

SRC: Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934 (which I found on Ancestry.com) In 1895, my ancestor Hermann Weissbach lived near Breslau. He sailed from Hamburg to London on the ship, Astronom. Then they sailed from Southampton, England aboard to New York. > > Maylands, > Western Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mavlin@xtra.co.nz > To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:37 AM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 > > > Hi everyone, > > I was interested to know if any listers could suggest how my ggfather > Solomon VICTOR could have made his way from Breslau, Prussia to London, > UK, so he could to catch a ship from London to Melbourne, Australia, in > 1861. > > Were there preferred routes for migrants coming from this part of > Prussia, to get to London? > > Any help would be very much appreciated. > > regards > > Murray Victor > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 16:39:23 +0000 (UTC) > From: gloepertz@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 > To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <1988063546.1505196.1335717563412.JavaMail.root@sz0165a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Murray > > Travel from Breslau to the coast of Germany in 1861 would have taken two major avenues of travel. > > First take a look at the map of that time and here are some ideas. If the person/s had much luggage, eg some furniture and most of their belongings, then I would say they jumped in to the Oder River and floated down to Stettin, because the cost of bringing belongings to any extend would have?determined the travel method, the cheapest. > >> From Stettin travel to Lo ndon was of course by ship through the belt around Denmark. > > The other method of travel could have been by?rail, from Breslau to Berlin, Magdeburg, then Hamburg. This route would probably have been taken by someone by him/her self with limited luggage, as the cost of taking a larger amount of belongings by train would have increased the cost quite a bit. > > Any of other ways could have been used, such as a combination of travel methods, including the use of the canal systems, picking up the Elbe River at Magdeburg and ending up in Hamburg or even further down river at Cuxhaven, from where smaller?steamers plied the North Sea to England like?London or Hull. > > Hope this gives you some homework to look into. > > Guenter in Michigan? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: mavlin@xtra.co.nz > To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:37:47 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 > > Hi everyone, > > I was interested to know if any listers could suggest how my ggfather > Solomon VICTOR could have made his way from Breslau, Prussia to London, > UK, so he could to catch a ship from London to Melbourne, Australia, in ? > 1861. > > Were there preferred routes for migrants coming from this part of > Prussia, to get to London? > > Any help would be very much appreciated. > > regards > > Murray Victor > ? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:28:22 +0100 (BST) > From: Aaron Hill <aaronjhill@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 > To: "prussia-roots@rootsweb.com" <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1335720502.75695.YahooMailNeo@web29217.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I am not sure how?extensive?the train network was in Germany in 1860-61. I discovered a map of the stagecoach?routes?in Pomerania in 1811 and wrote about it on my blog. Traveling to a major port likely required more than mode of transportation. > > http://aaronjhill.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/stagecoaches-in-pomerania-in-1811/ > > > -- Aaron > > > ________________________________ > From: David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au > > He would probably have travelled north-westwards to Hamburg, most likely by train. > > The Hamburg shipping records are divided into two categories, "Direct" and "Indirect".? The former list ships and their passengers who travelled directly from Hamburg to their final destination.? The latter list those to travelled to Britain first and then caught another ship to their final destination.? This was usually a more economical way of emigrating. > > Hamburg has another set of records (which have been microfilmed by the LDS), and that is the Hamburg Police Register of Transients.? As you ancestor was not a citizen of Hamburg, an independent city state, he would have had to register his presence with the Hamburg Police while he awaited taking ship.? > > An alternative route from Breslau, would have been to go north to Stettin or Swinem?nde, and take ship from there.? Hamburg though, was the major port for emigration from eastern and northern Germany. > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia > ? ----- Original Message ----- > ? From: mavlin@xtra.co.nz > > I was interested to know if any listers could suggest how my ggfather > ? Solomon VICTOR could have made his way from Breslau, Prussia to London, > ? UK, so he could to catch a ship from London to Melbourne, Australia, in? > ? 1861. > > ? Were there preferred routes for migrants coming from this part of > ? Prussia, to get to London? > > Murray Victor > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:09:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Brigitte Jahnke <bj49545@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 > To: Aaron Hill <aaronjhill@yahoo.co.uk>, "prussia-roots@rootsweb.com" > <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1335730182.18562.YahooMailNeo@web46204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > For sure you could go in 1861 by train from Breslau and Berlin (since 1849) and from there to Hamburg (since 1846). > > > For sure people did not make these long travels by stagecoach. Before the train network had been developed emigrants mostly travelled by ship. Stagecoach would have been rather expensive. > > > Brigitte > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Aaron Hill <aaronjhill@yahoo.co.uk> > To: "prussia-roots@rootsweb.com" <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 > > I am not sure how?extensive?the train network was in Germany in 1860-61. I discovered a map of the stagecoach?routes?in Pomerania in 1811 and wrote about it on my blog. Traveling to a major port likely required more than mode of transportation. > > http://aaronjhill.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/stagecoaches-in-pomerania-in-1811/ > > > -- Aaron > > > ________________________________ > From: David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au > > He would probably have travelled north-westwards to Hamburg, most likely by train. > > The Hamburg shipping records are divided into two categories, "Direct" and "Indirect".? The former list ships and their passengers who travelled directly from Hamburg to their final destination.? The latter list those to travelled to Britain first and then caught another ship to their final destination.? This was usually a more economical way of emigrating. > > Hamburg has another set of records (which have been microfilmed by the LDS), and that is the Hamburg Police Register of Transients.? As you ancestor was not a citizen of Hamburg, an independent city state, he would have had to register his presence with the Hamburg Police while he awaited taking ship.? > > An alternative route from Breslau, would have been to go north to Stettin or Swinem?nde, and take ship from there.? Hamburg though, was the major port for emigration from eastern and northern Germany. > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia > ? ----- Original Message ----- > ? From: mavlin@xtra.co.nz > > I was interested to know if any listers could suggest how my ggfather > ? Solomon VICTOR could have made his way from Breslau, Prussia to London, > ? UK, so he could to catch a ship from London to Melbourne, Australia, in? > ? 1861. > > ? Were there preferred routes for migrants coming from this part of > ? Prussia, to get to London? > > Murray Victor > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:26:38 +0100 (BST) > From: Aaron Hill <aaronjhill@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 > To: Brigitte Jahnke <bj49545@yahoo.com>, "PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com" > <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1335731198.35134.YahooMailNeo@web29205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The only way to get from the extremely rural areas where my ancestors were to a train depot or port was by horse. > > Aaron > > > ________________________________ > From: Brigitte Jahnke <bj49545@yahoo.com> > To: Aaron Hill <aaronjhill@yahoo.co.uk>; "prussia-roots@rootsweb.com" <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012, 13:09 > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 > > > For sure you could go in 1861 by train from Breslau and Berlin (since 1849) and from there to Hamburg (since 1846). > > > For sure people did not make these long travels by stagecoach. Before the train network had been developed emigrants mostly travelled by ship. Stagecoach would have been rather expensive. > > > Brigitte > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:40:55 -0500 > From: "David Hunt" <veracruz@hal-pc.org> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Families in East Prussia > To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <7D0ECC1E08004B999F7706BBCEDC8187@company4c06479> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have just begun a search for my East Prussian side of the family and have not had much success in Europe. I am looking for 2 families: > Kaschewski > Von Djakowska. This name has been spelt many different ways and any or all of them may incorrect. Some of the variations are Tschakowska, Dziatkowsky, Von Schakowski. > The place where my grandfather was from is Sperling which is actually the name of an estate which bred and raised horses for the Prussian military. This place in listed in the land records prior to 1806. It is near Wrobel, Banie Mazurskie, and Wegozewo in present day Poland jst south of the border with Russia. Great grandmother Charlotta Von Djakowska is supossed to be listed in the Almanach de Gotha for years1853 to 1858 but I can't locate her probably because of name spelling. My grandfather and great grandfather's names are Frederick Kaschewski. Frederick junior immigrated to the US around 1887 but I don't have any immigration records. The 2 families were living in Sperling from 1817 to 1897 and possibly even longer. Frederick Kaschewski junior had a sister named Mrs Augusta Braunert who was living in berlin in 1926 the year that frederick died. > Any information that anyone has will be greatly apprecited. > David Hunt > Houston, texas > veracruz@hal-pc.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:04:46 +0200 > From: Stefan R?ckling <rueckling@gmx.de> > Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Families in East Prussia > To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4979ADDF2B45436C8A9D604BF2759027@Stefan> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > David, > > did you already checked the Protestant church books of Benkheim where > Sperling belonged to ? They are filmed by the Mormons. > > Sincerely, > Stefan R?ckling > http://www.rueckling.de/english/index.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Hunt" <veracruz@hal-pc.org> > To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:40 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Families in East Prussia > > >> I have just begun a search for my East Prussian side of the family and have >> not had much success in Europe. I am looking for 2 families: >> Kaschewski >> Von Djakowska. This name has been spelt many different ways and any or all >> of them may incorrect. Some of the variations are Tschakowska, >> Dziatkowsky, Von Schakowski. >> The place where my grandfather was from is Sperling which is actually the >> name of an estate which bred and raised horses for the Prussian military. >> This place in listed in the land records prior to 1806. It is near Wrobel, >> Banie Mazurskie, and Wegozewo in present day Poland jst south of the >> border with Russia. Great grandmother Charlotta Von Djakowska is supossed >> to be listed in the Almanach de Gotha for years1853 to 1858 but I can't >> locate her probably because of name spelling. My grandfather and great >> grandfather's names are Frederick Kaschewski. Frederick junior immigrated >> to the US around 1887 but I don't have any immigration records. The 2 >> families were living in Sperling from 1817 to 1897 and possibly even >> longer. Frederick Kaschewski junior had a sister named Mrs Augusta >> Braunert who was living in berlin in 1926 the year that frederick died. >> Any information that anyone has will be greatly apprecited. >> David Hunt >> Houston, texas >> veracruz@hal-pc.org >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the PRUSSIA-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the PRUSSIA-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of PRUSSIA-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 51 > ********************************************

I am not familiar with them. Do you know Sperling? Where can I find the location. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Rückling" <rueckling@gmx.de> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Families in East Prussia David, did you already checked the Protestant church books of Benkheim where Sperling belonged to ? They are filmed by the Mormons. Sincerely, Stefan Rückling http://www.rueckling.de/english/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hunt" <veracruz@hal-pc.org> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:40 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Families in East Prussia >I have just begun a search for my East Prussian side of the family and have >not had much success in Europe. I am looking for 2 families: > Kaschewski > Von Djakowska. This name has been spelt many different ways and any or all > of them may incorrect. Some of the variations are Tschakowska, > Dziatkowsky, Von Schakowski. > The place where my grandfather was from is Sperling which is actually the > name of an estate which bred and raised horses for the Prussian military. > This place in listed in the land records prior to 1806. It is near Wrobel, > Banie Mazurskie, and Wegozewo in present day Poland jst south of the > border with Russia. Great grandmother Charlotta Von Djakowska is supossed > to be listed in the Almanach de Gotha for years1853 to 1858 but I can't > locate her probably because of name spelling. My grandfather and great > grandfather's names are Frederick Kaschewski. Frederick junior immigrated > to the US around 1887 but I don't have any immigration records. The 2 > families were living in Sperling from 1817 to 1897 and possibly even > longer. Frederick Kaschewski junior had a sister named Mrs Augusta > Braunert who was living in berlin in 1926 the year that frederick died. > Any information that anyone has will be greatly apprecited. > David Hunt > Houston, texas > veracruz@hal-pc.org > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Albert regarding the church records. I would still appreciate it if anyone has insight about my two questions on the obligatory Prussian military service noted 2 messages below. Roger Miller -----Original Message----- From: prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:prussia-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Albert Muth Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:21 PM To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Prussian Military question Pogutken Evangelical parish did not come into existence until 1890. See www.westpreussen.de Per that site, "Die Kirchengemeinde Pogutken wurde im Jahre 1890 aus zuvor zu Neu Paleschken<http://www.westpreussen.de/cms/ct/kirchenbuecher/quellen.php?ID=6 >(Westen), Schöneck <http://www.westpreussen.de/cms/ct/kirchenbuecher/quellen.php?ID=9>(Osten) und Preußisch Stargard<http://www.westpreussen.de/cms/ct/kirchenbuecher/quellen.php?ID=530 >(Südosten) eingepfarrten Ortschaften gebildet." You will need to look at a map and determine which of the three parishes is the most likely Al Muth On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 4:14 PM, patroger.miller < patroger.miller@earthlink.net> wrote: > Dear list, > > I am looking for information on my ancestor Friedrich Mueller. (I > know it's > one of the most common names...) He and his family came to America in > 1856 > on the SS Shakespeare landing in New York. They departed from Bremen > and I have found through one child's birth record and the ship's log > that they came from Jarischau, West Prussia (spouse Euphosine > Brandstetter from Lissewken, West Prussia about 3 km away from the > Jarischau we think is his which is near Danzig and called Jaroszewy > now). They were Evangelische and I know that the church records were > kept in Pogutkin. He was born in 1819-20 (there is some historical > dispute on that from his gravestone marker in Winona, Minnesota and > various US Census data - most data says 1820). > > I have a fairly solid brick wall in going back any farther with > Friedrich to parents or even siblings for him or his wife. Bremen > emigration records from 1856 are gone and what little I can find about > Jarischau via Ancestry.com or a few Berlin or Polish sources do not > include the birth years or even a few decades on either side of them. > I have found his naturalization record, but not his first papers / > declaration of intent. > It > is a bit of a deep hole. > > Here is my question. How does one begin to find what military branch > or post he would likely have been in? Were soldiers conscripted to > areas near their homes? At what age were they conscripted? > > I'm sure I will have more questions. I'm just hoping that I can find > a morsel of military information to get me around the brick wall. > > Roger Miller > Minnesota > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Murray Travel from Breslau to the coast of Germany in 1861 would have taken two major avenues of travel. First take a look at the map of that time and here are some ideas. If the person/s had much luggage, eg some furniture and most of their belongings, then I would say they jumped in to the Oder River and floated down to Stettin, because the cost of bringing belongings to any extend would have determined the travel method, the cheapest. >From Stettin travel to Lo ndon was of course by ship through the belt around Denmark. The other method of travel could have been by rail, from Breslau to Berlin, Magdeburg, then Hamburg. This route would probably have been taken by someone by him/her self with limited luggage, as the cost of taking a larger amount of belongings by train would have increased the cost quite a bit. Any of other ways could have been used, such as a combination of travel methods, including the use of the canal systems, picking up the Elbe River at Magdeburg and ending up in Hamburg or even further down river at Cuxhaven, from where smaller steamers plied the North Sea to England like London or Hull. Hope this gives you some homework to look into. Guenter in Michigan  ----- Original Message ----- From: mavlin@xtra.co.nz To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 11:37:47 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 Hi everyone, I was interested to know if any listers could suggest how my ggfather Solomon VICTOR could have made his way from Breslau, Prussia to London, UK, so he could to catch a ship from London to Melbourne, Australia, in   1861. Were there preferred routes for migrants coming from this part of Prussia, to get to London? Any help would be very much appreciated. regards Murray Victor   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just begun a search for my East Prussian side of the family and have not had much success in Europe. I am looking for 2 families: Kaschewski Von Djakowska. This name has been spelt many different ways and any or all of them may incorrect. Some of the variations are Tschakowska, Dziatkowsky, Von Schakowski. The place where my grandfather was from is Sperling which is actually the name of an estate which bred and raised horses for the Prussian military. This place in listed in the land records prior to 1806. It is near Wrobel, Banie Mazurskie, and Wegozewo in present day Poland jst south of the border with Russia. Great grandmother Charlotta Von Djakowska is supossed to be listed in the Almanach de Gotha for years1853 to 1858 but I can't locate her probably because of name spelling. My grandfather and great grandfather's names are Frederick Kaschewski. Frederick junior immigrated to the US around 1887 but I don't have any immigration records. The 2 families were living in Sperling from 1817 to 1897 and possibly even longer. Frederick Kaschewski junior had a sister named Mrs Augusta Braunert who was living in berlin in 1926 the year that frederick died. Any information that anyone has will be greatly apprecited. David Hunt Houston, texas veracruz@hal-pc.org

Hi everyone, I was interested to know if any listers could suggest how my ggfather Solomon VICTOR could have made his way from Breslau, Prussia to London, UK, so he could to catch a ship from London to Melbourne, Australia, in 1861. Were there preferred routes for migrants coming from this part of Prussia, to get to London? Any help would be very much appreciated. regards Murray Victor

It depends on where in Germany they were coming from. The general line of the rivers in northern Europe is that they run south-east to north-west, and this has influenced subsequent transport routes. That your ancestors travelled via Paris would, at first glance, suggest that they were coming from southern Germany or Switzerland (much of which speaks German). David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Doreen Jackson To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 My ancestor left Germany c1856. By about 1860 they are in Paris, how would they have made that particular journey. ? D ________________________________ From: David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 29 April 2012, 5:26 Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 He would probably have travelled north-westwards to Hamburg, most likely by train. The Hamburg shipping records are divided into two categories, "Direct" and "Indirect". The former list ships and their passengers who travelled directly from Hamburg to their final destination. The latter list those to travelled to Britain first and then caught another ship to their final destination. This was usually a more economical way of emigrating. Hamburg has another set of records (which have been microfilmed by the LDS), and that is the Hamburg Police Register of Transients. As you ancestor was not a citizen of Hamburg, an independent city state, he would have had to register his presence with the Hamburg Police while he awaited taking ship. An alternative route from Breslau, would have been to go north to Stettin or Swinemünde, and take ship from there. Hamburg though, was the major port for emigration from eastern and northern Germany. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: mavlin@xtra.co.nz To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:37 AM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 Hi everyone, I was interested to know if any listers could suggest how my ggfather Solomon VICTOR could have made his way from Breslau, Prussia to London, UK, so he could to catch a ship from London to Melbourne, Australia, in 1861. Were there preferred routes for migrants coming from this part of Prussia, to get to London? Any help would be very much appreciated. regards Murray Victor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For sure you could go in 1861 by train from Breslau and Berlin (since 1849) and from there to Hamburg (since 1846). For sure people did not make these long travels by stagecoach. Before the train network had been developed emigrants mostly travelled by ship. Stagecoach would have been rather expensive. Brigitte ________________________________ From: Aaron Hill <aaronjhill@yahoo.co.uk> To: "prussia-roots@rootsweb.com" <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Getting to London UK in 1861 I am not sure how extensive the train network was in Germany in 1860-61. I discovered a map of the stagecoach routes in Pomerania in 1811 and wrote about it on my blog. Traveling to a major port likely required more than mode of transportation. http://aaronjhill.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/stagecoaches-in-pomerania-in-1811/ -- Aaron ________________________________ From: David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au He would probably have travelled north-westwards to Hamburg, most likely by train. The Hamburg shipping records are divided into two categories, "Direct" and "Indirect".  The former list ships and their passengers who travelled directly from Hamburg to their final destination.  The latter list those to travelled to Britain first and then caught another ship to their final destination.  This was usually a more economical way of emigrating. Hamburg has another set of records (which have been microfilmed by the LDS), and that is the Hamburg Police Register of Transients.  As you ancestor was not a citizen of Hamburg, an independent city state, he would have had to register his presence with the Hamburg Police while he awaited taking ship.  An alternative route from Breslau, would have been to go north to Stettin or Swinemünde, and take ship from there.  Hamburg though, was the major port for emigration from eastern and northern Germany. David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia   ----- Original Message -----   From: mavlin@xtra.co.nz I was interested to know if any listers could suggest how my ggfather   Solomon VICTOR could have made his way from Breslau, Prussia to London,   UK, so he could to catch a ship from London to Melbourne, Australia, in    1861.   Were there preferred routes for migrants coming from this part of   Prussia, to get to London? Murray Victor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message