The Lutheran church in Germany was first called LandesKirche. I didn't say he wanted to start his own church, but if there is any question at all about his feelings towards Catholicism later in his life, he was VERY anti-catholic, calling them the whore of Babylon, etc. He was totally against anyone being a pope, etc. And yes, many of us have Catholic relatives or friends, I had one set of grandparents who were Catholic. Look online what he wrote regarding the Catholic church, I was surprised at the very strong wording. In earlier times, the church was closely tied to the monarchy, but it changed a lot when the German princes abdicated, and that is when some of the unifications took place I believe. Yes, I know he was once a Catholic monk and all that. He is often called the father of Protestantism. There is a lot of uniting of the Lutheran churches and the Reformed in Germany since the beliefs are similar. Calvin and many others didn't think Luther went far enough away from the Catholic church regarding baptism btw. Dietrich Bonhoefer, the Lutheran martyr in ww2, was not a simple country pastor. He was gaining fame and traveled a lot, trying to unite several denominations. There is the Evangelical Church in Germany which is Lutheran and Reformed and United combined. They are called the EKD also. This is a little different than the United Evangelical Lutheran Church of Germany which is called the VELKD. Anyway, thanks to all who wrote. My first letter I thought was clear and it is correct. We don't need to get so nit-picky. Susan :-)

That was interesting! Thank you for the information. A lady I know from England was offended when I called one of the churches over there Luthern. She said it was Protestant, not Luthern. That's where I got the idea that Protestant was not relelated to Luthern. Angie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol M. Duff" <duffc@redwing.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Luther started the Protestant Reformation! > And Evangelisch is different from Lutheran, more like the Reformed > churches. I have a taped in record in one of my church records that said > a Lutheran pastor refused to baptise a child of Evangelisch parents > until they threatened to take the child back to their home community to > be baptised. Father was doing masonery repair on the Lutheran Church. Carol > > SV wrote: > > >Angie, sorry to correct you, but Martin Luther was the first Protestant and > >started the Protestant Reformation. Most churches that aren't Catholic are > >often called Protestant, but the Lutheran church was the first Protestant > >church. Martin Luther was the first to put the Bible into the language of > >the German people, and this also helped standardize the language, which > >often varied village to village. The Latin Bible was often chained to the > >pulpit at that time in the Catholic church. He didn't believe that we needed > >a priest to interpret the Bible for us, but that it should be in the hands > >of the people, and that the Holy Spirit would guide them. > > > > > > > >Luther is the one that is famous for saying Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, and > >Sola Gratia. That means faith alone, Bible alone and God's grace alone. > >Methodists and other churches may also be Protestants, but they followed > >Lutherans in time. He knew we couldn't get to heaven by doing works, and he > >detested the selling of indulgences. You can read a lot that he wrote > >online. Galatians was his favorite book of the Bible (I used to think it was > >Romans), and he wrote a huge commentary on it. He also wrote hymns such as > >"A Mighty Fortress", or as it is called in German, "Ein Feste Burg ist Unser > >Gott". > > > > > > > >susan > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

GOSH - I almost hate to get involved here - but think some explanations are due. Martin Luther was unhappy with some of the policies of the Catholic church - especially the selling of indulgences. And nailed his theses to the door - sort of like an ad in the paper today - out of that action came the reformation and the churches that became Protestant. He\is intent was to bring the Catholic church back to the straight and narrow not to start a new church. A Lutheran church is Protestant - but not all Protestant churches are Lutheran. Thru the years the Lutheran church has changed - just as have many of the other churches. Some for the better, some for the worst. ELCA - EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN CHURCH OF AMERICA - is just one type of Lutheran Church and probably least like the Catholic church. There are many different Lutheran churches, Wisconsin Lutheran Church, Lutheran Church Missouri Synod - American Lutheran Church - and these are just in the US - other countries have their own - just like there are many different Baptist and Methodist churches. ELCA is just one type of Lutheran church. Do a search of reformation for more info on how the churches evolved. I think the first use of the word Lutheran was as an insult to Luther - and from there his followers turned it around. chances are if you have Lutherans in your family, you probably have Catholics also. Many of the more traditional Lutherans are more comfortable in a Catholic church than in many of our more modern denominations. just my thoughts - only been Lutheran for half a century. ---- tropishells@aol.com wrote: > I forgot to mention that the original German Lutheran church is not much like the present day Evangelistic Lutheran Church of America (ELCA).  They were much more strict and quite honestly, much more like Catholicism without some of the things on Luther's 95th thesis.  Hope that helps those looking in church records for their ancestors.  Don't be surprised to find both Catholic and Lutherans in your family.  Be safe and look at both! Brigitte -----Original Message----- From: Ric Gordon <gordonfinder@sbcglobal.net> To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Luther started the Protestant Reformation! Luther didn't start the Luheran church. He was trying to change how the atholic church was doing things, but never started a separate church himself. n his name, the Lutheran church was started in Germany. ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela Knutson To: prussia-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Luther started the Protestant Reformation! That was interesting! Thank you for the information. A lady I know from England was offended when I called one of the churches over there Luthern. She said it was Protestant, not Luthern. That's where I got the idea that Protestant was not relelated to Luthern. Angie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol M. Duff" <duffc@redwing.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Luther started the Protestant Reformation! > And Evangelisch is different from Lutheran, more like the Reformed > churches. I have a taped in record in one of my church records that said > a Lutheran pastor refused to baptise a child of Evangelisch parents > until they threatened to take the child back to their home community to > be baptised. Father was doing masonery repair on the Lutheran Church. Carol > > SV wrote: > > >Angie, sorry to correct you, but Martin Luther was the first Protestant and > >started the Protestant Reformation. Most churches that aren't Catholic are > >often called Protestant, but the Lutheran church was the first Protestant > >church. Martin Luther was the first to put the Bible into the language of > >the German people, and this also helped standardize the language, which > >often varied village to village. The Latin Bible was often chained to the > >pulpit at that time in the Catholic church. He didn't believe that we needed > >a priest to interpret the Bible for us, but that it should be in the hands > >of the people, and that the Holy Spirit would guide them. > > > > > > > >Luther is the one that is famous for saying Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, and > >Sola Gratia. That means faith alone, Bible alone and God's grace alone. > >Methodists and other churches may also be Protestants, but they followed > >Lutherans in time. He knew we couldn't get to heaven by doing works, and he > >detested the selling of indulgences. You can read a lot that he wrote > >online. Galatians was his favorite book of the Bible (I used to think it was > >Romans), and he wrote a huge commentary on it. 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Evangelisch is what the Lutheran chuch is called in Germany. You won't find a "Lutheran" church there. The pastor that refused to baptize a baby that was Evangelisch was misinformed. So, once again, Luther was the first and started the Protestant Reformation. "Protestant" itself is not a denomination. I said there were many denominations, such as Methodist, I didn't say whether they were similar or not. They do share the essentials though, such as Christ dying on the cross for our sins, the virgin birth, the resurrection, and so on. Calvinism ( and the Reformed churches) came slightly later and is similar to Lutheran. If you read Luther's "Bondage of the Will" you will see that he actually does cover the same points. They aren't similar in regard to communion or baptism and do not have a liturgy. I didn't think I'd have to write a whole dissertation on this lol. Please just read my first letter, I was speaking in general, not thinking I would have to clarify everything to the nth degree. Hopefully this is the end of the topic?? susan

I didn't even compare Methodists to Lutherans, I simply said they are another protestant denomination. Would you like to discuss Calvinism and compare it to Luther's "Bondage of the Will"? I said most other churches that aren't Catholic are Protestant, understand? I listed Methodists as an example of a Protestant denomination, not saying it was close to Lutheran or anything else. Read something before responding please. I don't feel like naming every Protestant denomination and placing them in order of how close they are or not. I SIMPLY said that Luther started the Protestant Reformation, he was the first.

How did you get the implication that I said the other Protestant denominations merged TOWARDS Lutheranism? They didn't exist!!!!!!!!!!!! I said Luther started the first Protestant denomination, and he did. It was followed soon after by Calvin. Perhaps re-read my letter, there was nothing incorrect in it. The other Protestant denominations branched off on their own. Luther started the Protestant Reformation, I think that is clear enough. Some just like to correct, but I'm a student of history, and apparently you didn't even read what I wrote. I hardly need wikipedia, I have studied Christian history in depth. There are lots of other sites where you can research this, you might try something more indepth than wikipedia when you are looking something up. I have known the history of the church since a young child, and later studied Christian history in depth like I said.

The Evangelical Church in Germany is a protestant church and a separate body from the Lutheran Church. It was in the US that some Evangelical congregations merged with the Lutherans. Other Evangelical congregations merged with the United Church of Christ. Sheila K. -------------- Original message from 101heath <101heath@comcast.net>: -------------- > I found my Ziebell surname in the Church directory listings for > Evang. 1868-1916 in Schivelbein, Pommerania, Prussia. They were not > in the Catholic church membership surname list. Does anyone know-- > does Evang. mean protestant? It was in German. The word was not > spelled out. Just Evang. Kirche-Schivelbein. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Wikepedia clarifies this issue quite well............. The German term evangelisch more accurately corresponds to the broad English term _Protestant_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant) rather than to the narrower _Evangelical_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism) (in German called evangelikal), although the _Evangelical Lutheran Church in America_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Lutheran_Church_in_America) uses the term in the same way as the German church. Literally, evangelisch means "of the Gospel", denoting a Reformation emphasis on _sola scriptura_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura) , "scripture alone". The church described in this article is a federation of different, mostly mainstream Protestant churches, rather than one evangelical church. It can thus be considered a _united church_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_and_uniting_churches) _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Church_in_Germany_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Church_in_Germany) Brigitte

And Evangelisch is different from Lutheran, more like the Reformed churches. I have a taped in record in one of my church records that said a Lutheran pastor refused to baptise a child of Evangelisch parents until they threatened to take the child back to their home community to be baptised. Father was doing masonery repair on the Lutheran Church. Carol SV wrote: >Angie, sorry to correct you, but Martin Luther was the first Protestant and >started the Protestant Reformation. Most churches that aren't Catholic are >often called Protestant, but the Lutheran church was the first Protestant >church. Martin Luther was the first to put the Bible into the language of >the German people, and this also helped standardize the language, which >often varied village to village. The Latin Bible was often chained to the >pulpit at that time in the Catholic church. He didn't believe that we needed >a priest to interpret the Bible for us, but that it should be in the hands >of the people, and that the Holy Spirit would guide them. > > > >Luther is the one that is famous for saying Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, and >Sola Gratia. That means faith alone, Bible alone and God's grace alone. >Methodists and other churches may also be Protestants, but they followed >Lutherans in time. He knew we couldn't get to heaven by doing works, and he >detested the selling of indulgences. You can read a lot that he wrote >online. Galatians was his favorite book of the Bible (I used to think it was >Romans), and he wrote a huge commentary on it. He also wrote hymns such as >"A Mighty Fortress", or as it is called in German, "Ein Feste Burg ist Unser >Gott". > > > >susan > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Protestant churches may be Methodist, Presbyterian, Dutch Reformed, etc. besides Lutheran. Usually Evangelical is Lutheran. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandie" <marana@tds.net> To: <prussia-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Evang. vs. Catholic > This is the Evangelical Lutheran Church. Kirche means church. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "101heath" <101heath@comcast.net> > To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:06 PM > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Evang. vs. Catholic > > >>I found my Ziebell surname in the Church directory listings for >> Evang. 1868-1916 in Schivelbein, Pommerania, Prussia. They were not >> in the Catholic church membership surname list. Does anyone know-- >> does Evang. mean protestant? It was in German. The word was not >> spelled out. Just Evang. Kirche-Schivelbein. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, Evangelische churches are protestant and generally Lutheran. There is an Evangelisches Zentralarchiv in Berlin (EZA) , Bethaniendamm 29, 10997 Berlin Web: _archiv@ezab.de_ (mailto:archiv@ezab.de) Arnold Ross ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Jack, It's good to hear from you. Thanks for the info. Conrad Schaefer came to the US through Louisiana around 1850. I do not know when he married Catherine Sommerkamp but I know his son, John was born in La. in 1854. After that they came to Louisville, Kentucky where they raised 7 other children and died. Conrad in 1894 and Catherine in 1902. Keep in touch. Joe On Jun 12, 2007, at 10:08 PM, jack schafer wrote: > Joe, > > I do know if there is a link with my Schafer family and yours as I > can only go back to Gorodok Belowesch Colony about 1840. In fact I > do not know the parents of Johann Heinrich Schafer (umlaut has not > been used over the A since 1876), his parents died when Heinrich > was young. Stump's book may be the closest I will get. > > We find Johann Heinrich Schafer in Temesch about 1860 as a colonist > from Gorodok (St Petes Records, <www.Odessa3.org>. He marries in > Simferopol and has children in Temesch, immigrates to the US in 1876. > > I would love to connect the Gorodok founders to Prussia. > > Regards, > Jack Schafer > > > Johann Heinrich married Margaretha Reimgen (Reimche) > > Joe Birkenmeyer <birkenmeyer02@insightbb.com> wrote: Is anyone on > this list researching the Schaefer and Sommerkamp > names? I am interested in any information about Conrad Schaefer, b. > 1823 in Prussia and his wife Catherine Sommerkamp, b. in 1828 in > Prussia. Any information is greatly appreciated. > Joe Birkenmeyer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

This is the Evangelical Lutheran Church. Kirche means church. ----- Original Message ----- From: "101heath" <101heath@comcast.net> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Evang. vs. Catholic >I found my Ziebell surname in the Church directory listings for > Evang. 1868-1916 in Schivelbein, Pommerania, Prussia. They were not > in the Catholic church membership surname list. Does anyone know-- > does Evang. mean protestant? It was in German. The word was not > spelled out. Just Evang. Kirche-Schivelbein. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Evang. was usually a abbreviation for Evangilistic which is a branch of the Luthern church. Protestant is something entirely different from what I've found. You could check with the Protestant church itself to find out. Just look them up online and email them. Hope this helps, Angie ----- Original Message ----- From: "101heath" <101heath@comcast.net> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Evang. vs. Catholic > I found my Ziebell surname in the Church directory listings for > Evang. 1868-1916 in Schivelbein, Pommerania, Prussia. They were not > in the Catholic church membership surname list. Does anyone know-- > does Evang. mean protestant? It was in German. The word was not > spelled out. Just Evang. Kirche-Schivelbein. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joe There are a lot of records of Conrad Schaefer in the IGI. and a lot more in a 5 year span Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " Karl Roussin ====================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Birkenmeyer" <birkenmeyer02@insightbb.com> To: <PRUSSIA-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:35 PM Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS] Schaefer and Sommerkamp families > Is anyone on this list researching the Schaefer and Sommerkamp > names? I am interested in any information about Conrad Schaefer, b. > 1823 in Prussia and his wife Catherine Sommerkamp, b. in 1828 in > Prussia. Any information is greatly appreciated. > Joe Birkenmeyer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Angie, sorry to correct you, but Martin Luther was the first Protestant and started the Protestant Reformation. Most churches that aren't Catholic are often called Protestant, but the Lutheran church was the first Protestant church. Martin Luther was the first to put the Bible into the language of the German people, and this also helped standardize the language, which often varied village to village. The Latin Bible was often chained to the pulpit at that time in the Catholic church. He didn't believe that we needed a priest to interpret the Bible for us, but that it should be in the hands of the people, and that the Holy Spirit would guide them. Luther is the one that is famous for saying Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, and Sola Gratia. That means faith alone, Bible alone and God's grace alone. Methodists and other churches may also be Protestants, but they followed Lutherans in time. He knew we couldn't get to heaven by doing works, and he detested the selling of indulgences. You can read a lot that he wrote online. Galatians was his favorite book of the Bible (I used to think it was Romans), and he wrote a huge commentary on it. He also wrote hymns such as "A Mighty Fortress", or as it is called in German, "Ein Feste Burg ist Unser Gott". susan

Joe, My family went to Kansas then to Dakota Territory. JS Joe Birkenmeyer <birkenmeyer02@insightbb.com> wrote: Hi Jack, It's good to hear from you. Thanks for the info. Conrad Schaefer came to the US through Louisiana around 1850. I do not know when he married Catherine Sommerkamp but I know his son, John was born in La. in 1854. After that they came to Louisville, Kentucky where they raised 7 other children and died. Conrad in 1894 and Catherine in 1902. Keep in touch. Joe On Jun 12, 2007, at 10:08 PM, jack schafer wrote: > Joe, > > I do know if there is a link with my Schafer family and yours as I > can only go back to Gorodok Belowesch Colony about 1840. In fact I > do not know the parents of Johann Heinrich Schafer (umlaut has not > been used over the A since 1876), his parents died when Heinrich > was young. Stump's book may be the closest I will get. > > We find Johann Heinrich Schafer in Temesch about 1860 as a colonist > from Gorodok (St Petes Records, . He marries in > Simferopol and has children in Temesch, immigrates to the US in 1876. > > I would love to connect the Gorodok founders to Prussia. > > Regards, > Jack Schafer > > > Johann Heinrich married Margaretha Reimgen (Reimche) > > Joe Birkenmeyer wrote: Is anyone on > this list researching the Schaefer and Sommerkamp > names? I am interested in any information about Conrad Schaefer, b. > 1823 in Prussia and his wife Catherine Sommerkamp, b. in 1828 in > Prussia. Any information is greatly appreciated. > Joe Birkenmeyer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Bronwyn and Karen--I think you found it. My ancestor's spouse was from Kustrin, just down the road a piece!!!!!! Browyn directed me to a map which I have now copied. I appreciate the efforts of the listers on this site. I have been easedropping for a while and some really good things have been coming forth. Thanks again. Dottie

Is anyone on this list researching the Schaefer and Sommerkamp names? I am interested in any information about Conrad Schaefer, b. 1823 in Prussia and his wife Catherine Sommerkamp, b. in 1828 in Prussia. Any information is greatly appreciated. Joe Birkenmeyer

Joe, I do know if there is a link with my Schafer family and yours as I can only go back to Gorodok Belowesch Colony about 1840. In fact I do not know the parents of Johann Heinrich Schafer (umlaut has not been used over the A since 1876), his parents died when Heinrich was young. Stump's book may be the closest I will get. We find Johann Heinrich Schafer in Temesch about 1860 as a colonist from Gorodok (St Petes Records, <www.Odessa3.org>. He marries in Simferopol and has children in Temesch, immigrates to the US in 1876. I would love to connect the Gorodok founders to Prussia. Regards, Jack Schafer Johann Heinrich married Margaretha Reimgen (Reimche) Joe Birkenmeyer <birkenmeyer02@insightbb.com> wrote: Is anyone on this list researching the Schaefer and Sommerkamp names? I am interested in any information about Conrad Schaefer, b. 1823 in Prussia and his wife Catherine Sommerkamp, b. in 1828 in Prussia. Any information is greatly appreciated. Joe Birkenmeyer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PRUSSIA-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message